Aliasing anal_insertion -> anal_penetration.
Also double_insertion -> double_penetration

Reason: Vaginal_insertion is already aliased to vaginal_penetration, so why not?

No!

Insertion refers to dildos, toys and cucumbers. Penetration is all that and fingers and penises and stuff.

This should be an implication, NOT an alias.

Also, vaginal_insertion so shouldn't be aliased like that D: *weep*

SnowWolf said:
No!

Insertion refers to dildos, toys and cucumbers. Penetration is all that and fingers and penises and stuff.

This should be an implication, NOT an alias.

I don't really see the difference. Even then, it seems like fingers would be insertion, not penetration.

The difference honestly is that the anal_insertion and double_insertion, *and* the insertion are all already populated with pictures tagged like that.

if someone has a cucumber in their ass and a cock in their pussy, and you're wanting pictures like that, then "anal_insertion vaginal_penetration" would find you that perfectly. But, if the *insertion tags are aliased away, you're left with "anal_penetration vaginal_penetration sex toy" which could be a carrot in the ass, a cock in pussy, and a clit vibe. Or a cock in ass, and a dildo in pussy. Or a cucumber in the rear, a carrot in the pussy and a big plastic horse cock on the floor. or... so forth.

It's making things unnecessarily ambiguous.

tony311 said: Even then, it seems like fingers would be insertion, not penetration.

that could be so. regardless, the statement stands even if 'fingers' are removed from my sentence.

Having both seems needlessly specific and prone to ambiguity. To be honest, I don't see the point of even having a penetration tag (vaginal_penetration, etc), shouldn't sex, masturbation, etc be enough?

Kitsu~ said:
Having both seems needlessly specific and prone to ambiguity. To be honest, I don't see the point of even having a penetration tag (vaginal_penetration, etc), shouldn't sex, masturbation, etc be enough?

You serious? Do you also not see the point of anal_penetration? how about missionary_position? all of those things are covered by the broad brush of 'sex' after all.

This is a furry site. maybe we can also get rid of "needlessly specific" things like fox, dragon, skunk... male, female and so forth.

more seriously: no. Sex, masturbation, etc, are not enough. Sex is an act of intimacy. mutual masturbation is technically sex. vaginal sex, oral sex, anal sex are also all sex.

There are days that *I*, who rarely looks at porn for the 'typical' reasons, want to look at images of a specific act--anal, vaginal, oral-- or a particular position, or species. I can only imagine that a person who is more oriented towards porn-assisted wanking would be more inclined towards wanting to find specific types of art at any given moment.

One could make the same arguement also for pegging. It's anal sex, why do we need to have a specific tag for it?

Because not everyone wants to see a guy getting nailed by his girl. simple as that.

Kitsu~ said:
Having both seems needlessly specific and prone to ambiguity. To be honest, I don't see the point of even having a penetration tag (vaginal_penetration, etc), shouldn't sex, masturbation, etc be enough?

I personally search for vaginal_penetration...

Remember, tagging isn't supposed to be this complex super being, it's meant for ease of search.

Okay, I'll imply it then... gosh.

To save from making a new topic, what do you all think about implying insertion to penetration?

Riversyde said: what do you all think about implying insertion to penetration?

This is good :D

The wiki for "insertion" says it excludes sex toys designed to be inserted, though, and should only be for things that aren't supposed to be put in places. Apparently they have their own tags. Which they do, but I've not found any toy tags that actually indicate that they're being used, just that they exist in the image.

http://e621.net/wiki/show?nordirect=1&title=insertion

Just because the image is tagged "dildo" AND "penetration" doesn't mean the dildo is penetrating. So, either the Wiki needs to be changed to match how it's obviously being used (and how users in this thread seem to want it to be used) or else the way it's being used needs to be changed.

RedOctober said:
The wiki for "insertion" says it excludes sex toys designed to be inserted, though, and should only be for things that aren't supposed to be put in places. Apparently they have their own tags. Which they do, but I've not found any toy tags that actually indicate that they're being used, just that they exist in the image.

Hm. You're right. You know what? I"mma go change the wiki. Brb! :D

Hm. Vaginal_insertion is still aliased to vaginal_penetration. I vote for unaliasing that. one implicating the other maybe..

but then, hmm.

if *_insertion is a sexy toy, or object
and *_penetration is a sextoy, object or penis or something, wha'ts jsut straight up penis in orifice called? maybe *_penetration and *_insertion SHOULD be differnet..

SnowWolf said:
maybe *_penetration and *_insertion SHOULD be differnet..

I'm not so sure. *_insertion is also *_penetration, by definition of the word "penetration." Granted, we're already restricting our use of the word "insertion" to mean non-penises, even though the word itself just means inserting anything at all. SO either both tags should be removed in favor of something more precise, or else they should be left as-is, with *_insertion implying *_penetration, but never the reverse. The second one is easiest, obviously, but I personally think the first is the better way to go. Unfortunately, I've got no fucking clue what would be better.

penis in orifice would be called sex...

Also yeah *_insertion should imply *_penetration, cause you stick something into an orifice (other than their mouth), it would be penetrating, no matter what it is.

Insertion and penetration are the same thing and as such should be aliased. sex_toy vaginal_penetration solo gets you females diddling themselves. sex_toy couple vaginal_penetration -sex would get you straight or lesbian couples using dildos and not having sex. If you're into seeing guys ramming cukes up their fannies, then just look for cucumber anal_penetration male (We don't have any pics of that do we...?). By the very definition of the words insertion = penetration, and it can be used equally. Alias is the way to go. Heck, you even state that penetration is insertion and then some, Snow.