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Those're those things that shoot bullets, right

You are entering a world of pain.

Laevateinn said:
Those're those things that shoot bullets, right

Haha, yes they are, but not just bullets, any projectile will do, even a slingshot

elad said:
You are entering a world of pain.

U sound like u have experience with guns, am I right

gunnygirl said:
U sound like u have experience with guns, am I right

I live in England and I'm basically a pacifist. I held a gun once...

i like the doolies from counterstrike

say hello to my little friend!

Edit: He's actually pretty big

elad said:
I live in England and I'm basically a pacifist. I held a gun once...

You poor poor sob.

gunnygirl said:
Haha, yes they are, but not just bullets, any projectile will do, even a slingshot

And now my face hurts.

On topic, I own a pistol.
One of these:
http://www.ruger.com/products/2245ThreadedBarrel/models.html

gunnygirl said:
Haha, yes they are, but not just bullets, any projectile will do, even a slingshot

Not all guns fire projectiles, like this one or this other one :D
I have one like the first

Leaving aside that guns are just basically bad, they're also pretty badass.
And if I WERE to own a firearm, I'd want one of these: An MBAssociates Gyrojet Handgun

An experimental design that never took off because of the high cost of ammunition and poor accuracy. The hammer on any Gyrojet would hit the nose of the specially designed bullets. This would set off the capsule of rocket fuel inside. At close range this is almost useless because it takes a little time for the bullet to gather momentum, but it gets progressively more deadly the further it travels.
Why make them in the first place? They work in almost any environment, including underwater, in space, and under intense heat or pressure! They look pretty sweet too.

elad said:
Leaving aside that guns are just basically bad...

No.

Misuse of guns is bad.
Guns can protect you or provide food when used appropriately and safely.

Hammie said:
No.

Misuse of guns is bad.
Guns can protect you or provide food when used appropriately and safely.

yes, yes, you're american and you all have some crazy god damn cult about this subject :V argued it to death and it's become very clear that neither side is moving and this is neither an appropriate nor effective place to host THAT argument, so let's not start, hmm?

guns kill people, man

MAN

null0010 said:
guns kill people, man

MAN

No! Bullets kill people!

You know what rhymes with guns? buns

Hammie said:
No! Bullets kill people!

Guns too, when they're out of bullets

Xch3l said:
You know what rhymes with guns? buns

Guns too, when they're out of bullets

if you want to get technical, pretty much everything can kill people. guns and bullets, however, are designed to do so. :V

It took me a minute to think of how many guns I own. I have six rifles and three handguns.

I'm just a collector for now, I used to hunt grouse but since I moved I haven't been hunting in awhile. I used to have a 20 gauge winchester 1300 but I sold it.

Romanian wasr-10
Bushmaster ar15 with a 16 inch upper and a 24'' bull barrel
Mosin nagant m44
saiga 12
CETME
Marlin 60

And as for pistols I have a walther p22, a sig sauer sp2022 and a nagant m1898

elad said:
yes, yes, you're american and you all have some crazy god damn cult about this subject :V argued it to death and it's become very clear that neither side is moving and this is neither an appropriate nor effective place to host THAT argument, so let's not start, hmm?

Not to sound like an arse, but a dude who just admitted to not operating firearms, not keeping firearms - or being allowed to keep firearms, and particularly not knowing about the etiquette, rules, or laws about them just told me that if I defend them, I'm in a cult.

That was the least mature thing I've heard you say :c
Make some random monkey noises to lower the bar so I can respect you again.

Well frankly when over 10 million guns are sold per year in the US, and under 20 thousand homicides by handgun are reported each year, I somehow doubt that just having a gun is a problem.

Laevateinn said:
Not to sound like an arse, but a dude who just admitted to not operating firearms, not keeping firearms - or being allowed to keep firearms, and particularly not knowing about the etiquette, rules, or laws about them just told me that if I defend them, I'm in a cult.

That was the least mature thing I've heard you say :c
Make some random monkey noises to lower the bar so I can respect you again.

My god, do you really want me to draw this out? The point is not the etiquette, rules or laws. it's about the impact on society by their presence alone. I'm really super super reluctant to actually start this argument because i've done it a dozen times and it always ends in people getting angry and shouting a lot.
gun laws and gun culture are so deeply ingrained into america that I fully believe the majority of americans have a difficult time understanding how directly and obviously they impact crime. I'm not a crusader and I don't think there's an obvious answer to the problem. it's not an uncommon thing in the red states to see people proudly proclaim that they'd rather die than give up weapons which - like i just said - are designed to kill people. That's about as cultish behaviour as I've ever heard of. How do you deal with that shit??

One thing I can guarantee is that, as a nation, none of your problems will be solved with 'more gun' :V

Only reason that England's gun control works is because they made them all illegal, and made it nearly impossible to get into the country illegally.

Anything that is a half-measure of gun control tends to increase the incidence of violent gun crimes, right up until you get rid of all the guns period.

Unfortunately thanks the the laws that were imposed on us by the British pre-revolutionary war that made it illegal for colonist to own guns in an attempt to prevent rebellion, our founding fathers felt it necessary to include a law in our constitution preventing that from happening again.

So if you want to blame anyone for America's love of guns, maybe look homeward.

Hammie said:
Only reason that England's gun control works is because they made them all illegal, and made it nearly impossible to get into the country illegally.

Anything that is a half-measure of gun control tends to increase the incidence of violent gun crimes, right up until you get rid of all the guns period.

Unfortunately thanks the the laws that were imposed on us by the British pre-revolutionary war that made it illegal for colonist to own guns in an attempt to prevent rebellion, our founding fathers felt it necessary to include a law in our constitution preventing that from happening again.

So if you want to blame anyone for America's love of guns, maybe look homeward.

That is correct. Removing guns all together seems to work. Crazy, huh??

But hey, gotta find someone to blame for our number one spot for national homicide! How about an empire from two and a half centuries ago? You let me know when it's no longer 1775!

elad said:
That is correct. Removing guns all together seems to work. Crazy, huh??

But hey, gotta find someone to blame for our number one spot for national homicide! How about an empire from two and a half centuries ago? You let me know when it's no longer 1775!

Yes, now I am wading far into dick territory because it's 4am and i need sleep. night ya'll :V

Number 1? Try number 108 for homicide per capita, not quite the UKs 168, but not exactly #1.

As for the blame, it is a direct result of the laws imposed by the UK on their colonies.
It's a long running result, sure, but it's still part of the constitution that was put into place as an act of rebellion against the UK.

As for removing all the guns, sadly it's not possible in the US.
Even assuming the requisite laws, and constitutional amendments passed, our borders are too large to prevent smuggling.
As is evidenced by our complete failure of a war on drugs.
Guns would still make it into the hands of criminals.

In reality its humans killing humans, u can have all the guns in the world but is useleSs unless u have someone to use them, even a simple spoon can be a weapon when used by humans

gunnygirl said:
In reality its humans killing humans, u can have all the guns in the world but is useleSs unless u have someone to use them, even a simple spoon can be a weapon when used by humans

Physics 101: Any object with mass, if propelled at sufficient velocity, can exert enough force to be lethal to a human.

elad said:
A bunch of words

I think you missed the point.
You remind me of Australian legislators; "don't know about the content they're dismissing."

elad said:
I fully believe the majority of americans have a difficult time understanding how directly and obviously they impact crime

switzerland

le duh

Test-Subject_217601 said:
Physics 101: Any object with mass, if propelled at sufficient velocity, can exert enough force to be lethal to a human.

Common sense 101: any object able to be propelled needs a medium eg: gravity, pull force and push force to be propelled, in weapons whether it be knives or guns, humans are that medium, I would know, I'm in the army and killin people is part of the job

one simple scenario I immediately come to think of is:

person pointing gun at me trying to get my moneys.

compared to:

person and I pointing guns at each other while person is trying to get my moneys.

guess which one feels safer to me and why.

actually don't...

no need for arguments.

first one, since I have no reason to defend myself unless this money is to be used to save my life.

as long as what person wants is not to kill me, there is no need to harm said person or myself.

I won't be coming here again, so no need to respond to this, really...

What the kid say is a complete illusion, sure u get those few who robnrun, but how many are there who kill after robin

Can any type of bullet can go through the chest? Or only a specific one? And also, does it depend on what gun you are using that will make the bullet go through?

Keats said:
Can any type of bullet can go through the chest? Or only a specific one? And also, does it depend on what gun you are using that will make the bullet go through?

Pretty much all bullets can enter the chest, smaller calibers might not exit, or punch through the sternum if that's where you hit.
Guns like mine that fire a rifle round out of a pistol will have less velocity/force behind them because the bullets are designed for a longer barrel and don't have their standard time with the exploding gasses accelerating the bullet.

With a good shot, any bullet can and will kill.

Also depends where u shoot, a bullet to the chest is not always fatal, if a bullet were to miss heart and lungs, one can be patched up with basic first aid and have time to seek professional help, even head shots are not always fatal

gunnygirl said:
Also depends where u shoot, a bullet to the chest is not always fatal, if a bullet were to miss heart and lungs, one can be patched up with basic first aid and have time to seek professional help, even head shots are not always fatal

Yep, that's why they train professionals, cops, military etc., not to stop with 1 shot.

Hammie said:
Yep, that's why they train professionals, cops, military etc., not to stop with 1 shot.

They trained me to kill 1 with one bullet, always aim for the heart

Am I the only person who regards the Geneva Convention's "laws of war" as really tedious and kind of silly?
I guess it's to keep people from warcriming their enemies to death - but how do you -punish- a country that disregards these?

It just seems to me that, like, using open-tipped ammunition in a wartime scenario because it kills MORE quickly seems a tad bit on the ass-backward side.
Granted, I'm the kind of person who researches Nerve Gas Pods ASAP and gives them to every unit in SMAC, so I might not be a 'rational' voice here.

Laevateinn said:
Am I the only person who regards the Geneva Convention's "laws of war" as really tedious and kind of silly?
I guess it's to keep people from warcriming their enemies to death - but how do you -punish- a country that disregards these?

It just seems to me that, like, using open-tipped ammunition in a wartime scenario because it kills MORE quickly seems a tad bit on the ass-backward side.
Granted, I'm the kind of person who researches Nerve Gas Pods ASAP and gives them to every unit in SMAC, so I might not be a 'rational' voice here.

The convention was intended to protect innocent people and wage wars in more "humane ways"

gunnygirl said:
The convention was intended to protect innocent people and wage wars in more "humane ways"

So closed-tipped spitzer ammunition, which has been validated with the excuse that "an injured enemy requires treatment and resources to be spent on them" is more humane than just rupturing something and making their veins explode, so they die quickly (Damn, I loves me some hydrostatic shock)?

Ja, that's an off-color example, but it is sort of disingenuous to me.

The idea was more to reduce slow painful deaths than to kill people who wouldn't have died otherwise.

Let's get one thing straight: guns don't kill people, I do!

hg3300 said:
Let's get one thing straight: guns don't kill people, I do!

Cool vid, but u won't be postin that if u actually killed someone before, there truly is no honor or pride to be found in it

gunnygirl said:
Cool vid, but u won't be postin that if u actually killed someone before, there truly is no honor or pride to be found in it

What if it was to save your honey or your family or something? Maybe you shot a criminal in self defense or any of the other reasons I mentioned.

hg3300 said:
What if it was to save your honey or your family or something? Maybe you shot a criminal in self defense or any of the other reasons I mentioned.

What if you said screw guns and became the goddamn Batman?

Test-Subject_217601 said:
What if you said screw guns and became the goddamn Batman?

What if I throw up on you? :v

hg3300 said:
What if it was to save your honey or your family or something? Maybe you shot a criminal in self defense or any of the other reasons I mentioned.

Killing someone is still extremely traumatic emotionally.
Even if it's self defense, or if it's someone trained in combat.
Many cases of PTSD in the military are caused by soldiers killing the enemy, not just from being injured or seeing people you know injured/killed.

Ending a life is never something to take lightly, even if it is deserved, and that's coming from a Veteran, and someone who owns a gun for home defense.

Hammie said:
Killing someone is still extremely traumatic emotionally.
Even if it's self defense, or if it's someone trained in combat.
Many cases of PTSD in the military are caused by soldiers killing the enemy, not just from being injured or seeing people you know injured/killed.

Ending a life is never something to take lightly, even if it is deserved, and that's coming from a Veteran, and someone who owns a gun for home defense.

Well you better believe I'll be pretty damn pleased if I end up saving my family because of shooting and killing someone. They mean a lot to me.

Let's say you were the one who killed Osama bin Laden? Would that not make you feel good?

No, ending a life may not be something to take lightly, but sometimes it's the best thing to do.

hg3300 said:
But sometimes it's the best thing to do.

It's never the best thing to do.
What was the purpose of taking one's life? It's like the only thing for us to do to stop one person instead of the other solution first.
....
A simple punishment won't do anything, since we all are that resistant and wanting to fight back.

Correct if I'm wrong, but that's how I think of it.

....

ANYWAYS

Let's talk about different types of bullets. :>

Keats said:

ANYWAYS

Let's talk about different types of bullets. :>

Remember when I said this topic is bound for angry destruction? Yeah...

Also, remember when I mentioned those totally sweet Gyrojet rocket bullets?

elad said:
Also, remember when I mentioned those totally sweet Gyrojet rocket bullets?

What are those? :o

Keats said:
It's never the best thing to do.
What was the purpose of taking one's life? It's like the only thing for us to do to stop one person instead of the other solution first.
....
A simple punishment won't do anything, since we all are that resistant and wanting to fight back.

Correct if I'm wrong, but that's how I think of it.

Oh, I will correct you: ever hear of life-and-death situations? Kill or be killed? Yeah. 'nuf said.

I'm all for "talking it out" and doing what it takes to not have to kill... (in fact I'm practically anti war) but if it's the only way to avoid getting killed yourself, you pretty much have no choice.

hg3300 said:
Oh, I will correct you: ever hear of life-and-death situations? Kill or be killed? Yeah. 'nuf said.

I'm all for "talking it out" and doing what it takes to not have to kill... (in fact I'm practically anti war) but if it's the only way to avoid getting killed yourself, you pretty much have no choice.

I was about to oppose this but instead I will keep my disagreement to myself, keeping this in thought...

Mhmk.

What? Guns? Killing? Civil disobedience?

Furry_Fanatic said:
What? Guns? Killing? Civil disobedience?

ABANDON THREAD

i still say guns are evil tools of satan himself

null0010 said:
i still say guns are evil tools of satan himself

But they make such good objects for phallic overcompensation.

Which is why I only need a .22, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say-no-more.

Hammie said:
But they make such good objects for phallic overcompensation.

This, more or less

Hammie said:
But they make such good objects for phallic overcompensation.

That's exactly why you use nerve gas-!

Hammie said:
But they make such good objects for phallic overcompensation.

Which is why I only need a .22, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say-no-more.

See, when I say that guns are 'bad' it's grounds for a page long debate. When admins say they're satan tools, that's hi-larious! :V

elad said:
See, when I say that guns are 'bad' it's grounds for a page long debate. When admins say they're satan tools, that's hi-larious! :V

It's cuz you're a Brit, and being serious.

the best part is when the bullets shoot

Speaking of guns....

hg3300 said:
What if it was to save your honey or your family or something? Maybe you shot a criminal in self defense or any of the other reasons I mentioned.

There still is nun to be proud of, killin for self def is sumn that has to be done, his/her life is nun compared to yours or your fams

You don't need guns to defend yourself, since the chances that there is no way but to use it are rather VERY low.
You don't need them for anything but killing or sports, and for the latter you don't have to carry it around 24/7.

That said, shooting is still hella fun. :P

by now, guns are semi-illegal where I live, but I did get the chance to shoot a few already and I can stemware to it's addictiveness. >:D

guns are the path to hell

null0010 said:
guns are the path to hell

If any one can tell u bout hell is my cousin, she was 11 and her entire fam got wiped out, when the guys got caught their reason was: "I did it cause I felt like doin it", my cousin still fucked up, tell me how he's goint to hell if he has no soul left, weapons were used from the beginning of man whether it be from biblical or evolutionary piont of view

In any case this chat has gotten way outa hand, It was created to talk bout guns and its facts, not kilin people, wana talk about it then create a new topic

gunnygirl said:
In any case this chat has gotten way outa hand, It was created to talk bout guns and its facts, not kilin people, wana talk about it then create a new topic

I think it all started when you took that movie quote out of context...not mad at you but y'know you kinda started it.

hg3300 said:
I think it all started when you took that movie quote out of context...not mad at you but y'know you kinda started it.

Yeah, real sorry bout that, I sorta have a short fuse, the army sho aint kind that much is true, so again I really apologize for any and all things I said and did to hurt any ones feeling or annoy any one

Vagabond said:
You don't need guns to defend yourself, since the chances that there is no way but to use it are rather VERY low.
You don't need them for anything but killing or sports, and for the latter you don't have to carry it around 24/7.

That said, shooting is still hella fun. :P

by now, guns are semi-illegal where I live, but I did get the chance to shoot a few already and I can stemware to it's addictiveness. >:D

That's why I keep mine at home.
Home defense is the most likely scenario where using one for self defense is possible/helpful.
And it's a nice target pistol to take to the range for an hour or two on a weekend.

Hammie said:
That's why I keep mine at home.
Home defense is the most likely scenario where using one for self defense is possible/helpful.
And it's a nice target pistol to take to the range for an hour or two on a weekend.

Wich guns do u have, my service weapon is a .303 semi auto, personal weapons are colt 1911, 303 bot action and .243 bolt action

gunnygirl said:
Wich guns do u have, my service weapon is a .303 semi auto, personal weapons are colt 1911, 303 bot action and .243 bolt action

A Ruger .22
It has a grip designed to mimic the 1911 .45
Makes a great training gun, and the low kick and inexpensive ammo compared to larger calibers makes it nice to take to the range.
I can get a brick of 525 rounds for around $20

I like Russian weapons.
Because they are all the same.

Even the variants, and the special models.

I'll admit, the Galil is cheating a little, but then, I could always start giving other examples of this trend, say, like so.

I could do that all day.

Laevateinn said:
I like Russian weapons.
Because they are all the same.

Even the variants, and the special models.

I'll admit, the Galil is cheating a little, but then, I could always start giving other examples of this trend, say, like so.

I could do that all day.

You sure take your time doing those links. :x