Added kitsune to a tag {Character species of shippo is a kitsune} which implied "Multiple Tails" the character however, only has one. Not all kitsune have more then one tail {usually older / more powerful kitsune get more tails as they grow older/ or more powerful}

IIRC, kitsune implies multiple ails because people qwere using it wrong.

123easy said:
IIRC, kitsune implies multiple ails because people qwere using it wrong.

Yea but not all kitsune "Have" multiple tails. And it alias's to fox anyways?

the presumption, I believe is, is that if your'e tagging something with kitsune, it's a multitailed fox.. because a 1 tailed kitsune would be indistinguishable from a fox.

kitsune, anyway, is japanese for fox. :P

I wasn't trying to explain it away. Just giving why it is currently like that.

As for it being japanese for fox- Actually, it meant a specific type of fox; the spirit fox. It's different from a north american or bitishman saying "oh, that's a fox". it carries a significantly different implication, among them what the kitsune can do (transformation, foxfire, human speech, etc) vs. what a (normal) fox can do. While yes, kitsune translates -directly without taking in the deeper meaning- to fox, that's not everything. After all, the chinese name is huli jing, which means spirit fox- It's just because of the layers and layers of meaning behind the many similar words of japanese dialects that we get "fox".

Actually, no.

kitsune is "fox". The folklore says that ALL foxes are intelligent creatures with magic that increases with age and wisdom. Foxes are also kind of a "holy/supernatural" animal due to their ties to Inari--who is a primary Shinto deity. Inari had some special foxes that were specifically his messengers, but all fox are kitsune.

That said, we use the word kitsune to describe this idea of what a "kitsune" as a shapeshifting multi-tailed creature..

as a tag, thogh, kitsune should only be one multi-tailed foxes, because otherwise, they are indistinguishable then an anthro fox.

as personally, I don't see anything spiritual or mythical here: post #142300 post #132221 post #123905

but here: post #143794 post #116116 post #100355 post#94625 I do ;)

But, ti's subjective.. so.. multi-taield fox. :)

shippo DOES have issues, though, in that he's not yet multitailed :/ either let it be inaccurate.... or leave 'kitsune' off :( or, make it kitsune_(inu_yasha)..

...well, although this idea would likely get shot down due to the amount of tagging work...maybe a separate tag for each type of kitsune, based on number of tails? 2 tails or more just get kitsune_?_tails, with the tail count replacing the ?, and single-tail ones get mystic_fox? i dunno. mystic_fox tag would be highly subjective, though, and one would have to be certain the 'kitsune' in a pic is even a kitsune, to be able to use the tag. but its not entirely impossible.

downside, yes...bunch of new tags. upside?...people can serach for kitsune based on NUMBER of tails! which i do realize some people who like kitsunes might find them sexier with a certain tail count range, as opposed to just finding them sexy in general. i myself find 1, 2, 3, and 9 tailed kitsune sexiest. 4-tails borderline making the list in my mind.

SnowWolf said:
Actually, no.

kitsune is "fox". The folklore says that ALL foxes are intelligent creatures with magic that increases with age and wisdom. Foxes are also kind of a "holy/supernatural" animal due to their ties to Inari--who is a primary Shinto deity. Inari had some special foxes that were specifically his messengers, but all fox are kitsune.

Yes, I never said otherwise. Kitsune means "Spirit fox". It doesn't mean plain ol' fox as we understand it in English. That's the point I'm trying to get across. What fox means to us is entirely different to what kitsune means to them. It's just that kitsune translates to fox on the basic level, without any of the implications behind the original meaning.

That said, we use the word kitsune to describe this idea of what a "kitsune" as a shapeshifting multi-tailed creature..

as a tag, thogh, kitsune should only be one multi-tailed foxes, because otherwise, they are indistinguishable then an anthro fox.

I disagree. If there is an obvious japanese slant to them, or they're using foxfire or transformation, but only have a singgle tail- Does that mean that they aren't kitsune, just an ordinary anthro fox? Not in the slightest.

as personally, I don't see anything spiritual or mythical here: post #142300 post #132221 post #123905

but here: post #143794 post #116116 post #100355 post#94625 I do ;)

Miles "Tails" Prower isn't a kitsune(japanese definition)- He's just a two-tailed fox(english definition) anthro. Fixed the tag. Kitsune are a Oriental thing. if it looks Oriental, it's probably a kitsune. If it looks americanized, it's probably not. Obvious exceptions occur, but for the most part this holds true.

But, it's subjective.. so.. multi-tailed fox. :)

shippo DOES have issues, though, in that he's not yet multitailed :/ either let it be inaccurate.... or leave 'kitsune' off :( or, make it kitsune_(inu_yasha)..

Oriental fox = kitsune. Americanized fox = fox. Kitsune implies fox (it probably does already).

it's subjective, 123. if I draw tails looking all "oriental" does that suddenly make him a kitsune?

it's just easier over all, for taging standards and otherwise to say fox with one tail = fox. Fox with multiple tails = kitsune.

http://memegenerator.net/instance/8436506

SnowWolf said:
it's subjective, 123. if I draw tails looking all "oriental" does that suddenly make him a kitsune?

it's just easier over all, for taging standards and otherwise to say fox with one tail = fox. Fox with multiple tails = kitsune.

Actully, I personally think Tails should be tagged kitsune, but eh. The thing is technically kitsunes can have one tail, which makes things all complicated.

An alternative: Just tag the number of tails, and leave it as fox. Drop the kitsune tag for the same reason we don't have oriental or western dragon tags.

Rainbow_Dash said:
...well, although this idea would likely get shot down due to the amount of tagging work...maybe a separate tag for each type of kitsune, based on number of tails? 2 tails or more just get kitsune_?_tails, with the tail count replacing the ?, and single-tail ones get mystic_fox? i dunno. mystic_fox tag would be highly subjective, though, and one would have to be certain the 'kitsune' in a pic is even a kitsune, to be able to use the tag. but its not entirely impossible.

downside, yes...bunch of new tags. upside?...people can serach for kitsune based on NUMBER of tails! which i do realize some people who like kitsunes might find them sexier with a certain tail count range, as opposed to just finding them sexy in general. i myself find 1, 2, 3, and 9 tailed kitsune sexiest. 4-tails borderline making the list in my mind.

I like the idea, but let's break it up

a fox tag and a #-tails tag.

Aurali said:
I like the idea, but let's break it up

a fox tag and a #-tails tag.

*coughs* Didn't I just suggest that? :p

Lyokira said:
Actully, I personally think Tails should be tagged kitsune, but eh.

I agree. :3

The thing is technically kitsunes can have one tail, which makes things all complicated.

technically, yup. But, for purposes of tagging? D:

well...

Aurali (and lyo <3 and RD) said:
I like the idea, but let's break it up

a fox tag and a #-tails tag.

That could work too.

Actually I do like that, because #-tails could also be used for non-fox images :D

this way, post #143263 post #136309 post #115789 etc can all be tagged more effectively. :)

tails is a Mobian, which is a human/animal hybrid. His animal half was fox, and it was mutated a bit, thus- two tails. That said, I do agree with the concept of removing the subjective kitsune tag and simply using fox and #_tails- though, this brings a worrying precedent. We've so far been removing things like "2_girls" and "2_girls_1_boy" tags. With this implimentation, those would start being see as potentially viable. Do we want to open that door?

That said, do we really need to tag X_tails instead of just "tail" or "multiple_tails"?

123easy said:
tails is a Mobian, which is a human/animal hybrid. His animal half was fox, and it was mutated a bit, thus- two tails. That said, I do agree with the concept of removing the subjective kitsune tag and simply using fox and #_tails- though, this brings a worrying precedent. We've so far been removing things like "2_girls" and "2_girls_1_boy" tags. With this implimentation, those would start being see as potentially viable. Do we want to open that door?

That said, do we really need to tag X_tails instead of just "tail" or "multiple_tails"?

Actually, it depends on the continuity, so it's not true that all versions of tails are human/animal hybrids.

And yes, on hindsight multiple_tails would probably be sufficient.

The only continuity that matters is the canon one: http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Mobian

Now, it is a wikia, but they do have sources.

Also, calling them hybrids was a bit of a misnomer, since they're mutants, but I was grasping for words to explain that he was anthro, rather than just use, y'know, anthro, with the gene-splicing and changing and mutating and GLOIVEN!

123easy said:
The only continuity that matters is the canon one: http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Mobian

Now, it is a wikia, but they do have sources.

Also, calling them hybrids was a bit of a misnomer, since they're mutants, but I was grasping for words to explain that he was anthro, rather than just use, y'know, anthro, with the gene-splicing and changing and mutating and GLOIVEN!

It's the wikia for... the archie continuity (as seen by the web link itself). There's at least three other different continuities, namely the original game continuity, the Sonic Adventures continuity, and the Sonic X continuity.

The original game continuity was explored and expanded by the comics; They are the original canon. Everything else is a spinoff.

123easy said:
The original game continuity was explored and expanded by the comics; They are the original canon. Everything else is a spinoff.

Missed this reply, but... I would argue that even though they are spinoff continuities, they certainly matter. Especially since people would be more familiar with the newer game continuities instead of the original game continuity. Not to mention it's not entirely true that the archie comics expand the original game continuity, since it takes in factors from ALL the game continuities, even though the game continuities are distinctively different.

Actually, the Archie Comics doesn't take in factors from all continuities; They take the original game and expand upon it, adapting material from the games as they come, true, but not from Sonic X- Though Sonic X has had interdimensional crossovers with the Sonic Prime universe, it hasn't happened the other way around. Also, Sonic Adventures is not a separate continuity but has in fact been noted as canon and illustrated in the comics as early as #79. Lastly, they've long taken the approach of ...DC? and showcased a number of different dimenions, starting with Robo-Robotnik (first appearance in issue #19, later revealed in #75) who killed his dimension's Sonic and since Robotnik Prime has been defeated, takes over the void left behind.

I grew up with these comics, lol. I remember this shit. xD

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I think we should get rid of the kitsune tag. It adds *nothing* that fox and multiple_tails can't cover. Plus, there are "kitsunes" in mythology with one tail. Plus, undoing the kitsune -> multiple_tails implication (which we should and probably will) will render it even more useless. Disregarding the mythological implications of the term, all it is is the japanese word for fox.

Well it gets you another search tag βP

kitsune -> fox alias (and surrounding de-implications) done.

SnowWolf said:
the presumption, I believe is, is that if your'e tagging something with kitsune, it's a multitailed fox.. because a 1 tailed kitsune would be indistinguishable from a fox.

kitsune, anyway, is japanese for fox. :P

Kitsune is a demon-fox from Japanese mythology.
Kitsune and fox the same as the Succubus and demon.

Loc0 said:
Kitsune is a demon-fox from Japanese mythology.
Kitsune and fox the same as the Succubus and demon.

kitsune=fox.
Loc0=Necromancer.

Because I like participating in year-old discussions, the kitsune/demon thing is like the way a lot of animals are handled in North American native mythology. There are coyotes, as in canine scavengers, and there is Coyote, the trickster spirit. You can never be sure a given coyote isn't Coyote.

Go big necro
or go home...i guess...