Seems obvious, doesn't it?
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Seems obvious, doesn't it?
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You . . . you think puns are funny?
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There's a funny tag? Where does the humor tag fit in with this?
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Problem with the "funny" tag is that it's highly subjective.
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ippiki_ookami said:
There's a funny tag? Where does the humor tag fit in with this?
http://e621.net/tag_alias?query=humour&commit=Search+Aliases
I agree with 123's idea. I can't think of any kind of pun that isn't based in some kind of humor.
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Not all puns are funny though.
Knock knock.
Who's there?
Orange.
Orange who?
Orange you etc.
Since "funny" is highly subjective, let's just stick with manual tagging on this one.
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It may not be funny to you, but it's funny to someone. And, more specifically, puns are a form of humour. It should be implied or aliased.
Dire: I love the earlier Xanth novels. <3
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123easy said:
It may not be funny to you, but it's funny to someone. And, more specifically, puns are a form of humour. It should be implied or aliased.
Yes, it should imply humour. Not "funny", even if there's no effective difference at the moment ("funny" aliases to "humour").
If, in the future, that alias were to vanish, pun should imply humour instead of funny because not all puns are funny, while all puns are attempts at humour.
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I agree with "humour", just not "funny".
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123easy said:Dire: I love the earlier Xanth novels. <3
Touche. So do I.
I agree with pun > humor. "Funny" is subjective, but attempts at humor are more objective.
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How about aliasing pun to humour?
And while we're at it, I think we should change humour to humor, we use American spelling for everything else except this, as far as I know.
Edit: humour changed/aliased to humor.
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tony311 said:
How about aliasing pun to humour?
Puns are a type of humor. Aliases should only be used when the two tags are identical. If tag A is a subset of tag B, an implication is a better solution.
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tony311 said:
How about aliasing pun to humour?And while we're at it, I think we should change humour to humor, we use American spelling for everything else except this, as far as I know.
Edit: humour changed/aliased to humor.
Also unconvincing_armour.
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Proper British/Canadian English > American English. Sorry.
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Snowy said:
Puns are a type of humor. Aliases should only be used when the two tags are identical. If tag A is a subset of tag B, an implication is a better solution.
Right, but are there really any images that specifically represent a pun, that don't just represent humor in general?
123easy said:
Proper British/Canadian English > American English. Sorry.
Maybe, but on this site we use American spelling, so having one tag with British spelling makes no sense and is inconsistent.
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Snowy said:
Puns are a type of humor.
More accurately a type of wordplay commonly used for humor, but that's me being overly-technical.
tony311 said:
Right, but are there really any images that specifically represent a pun, that don't just represent humor in general?
Yes. Here's a small sampling:
post #150036
post #149402
post #146693
post #146690
post #146689
post #141642
post #136555
post #121901
post #105532
post #89964
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Tony: far more than just humour and unconvincing_armour are the proper spelling. if anything, the silly American spellings that are on a few things need to be fixed to their proper spellings. :P
While the first one (catfish) doesn't seem to be done for humour (It's just a feline mermaid, and decently drawn; maybe it's because I'm actually used to seeing furred mercreatures? Would probably elicit a chortle otherwise) and the... third one? (lanternfish one) doesn't really seem to be a pun at all, the rest are funny, from a grin and a roll of the eyes to the "Trixie is a ham" and "Pinkie Pi" jokes to full out laughter at Jack 'Sparrow', 'Iron' Man, and 'Dawn' of the Dead.
Either way, even though my personal sense of humour leans that way, a pun is, by definition, "the use of words or phrases to exploit ambiguities and innuendoes in their meaning, usually for humorous effect; a play on words." Since its majority use falls under humour, it fits.
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Clawstripe said:
Yes. Here's a small sampling:post #150036
post #149402
post #146693
post #146690
post #146689
post #141642
post #136555
post #121901
post #105532
post #89964
Alright, I get what you're saying.
And implicated pun to humor.
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American English is older than British English.
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123easy said:
Tony: far more than just humour and unconvincing_armour are the proper spelling. if anything, the silly American spellings that are on a few things need to be fixed to their proper spellings. :P
"England and America are two countries separated by the same language." ~ George Bernard Shaw
They're both proper English, depending on which side of the Atlantic you're standing in. :p
While the first one (catfish) doesn't seem to be done for humour (It's just a feline mermaid, and decently drawn; maybe it's because I'm actually used to seeing furred mercreatures? Would probably elicit a chortle otherwise) and the... third one? (lanternfish one) doesn't really seem to be a pun at all, the rest are funny, from a grin and a roll of the eyes to the "Trixie is a ham" and "Pinkie Pi" jokes to full out laughter at Jack 'Sparrow', 'Iron' Man, and 'Dawn' of the Dead.
Sometimes puns are accidental or done more to be clever than to be funny.
The title to http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5687865/ , Catfish (lol cat mermaid), indicates to me, at least, that the artists recognized the pun, and at least one commenter found it amusing. Lanternfish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanternfish ) are real animals, although the real ones don't look like a cross between a fish and a railroad lantern. The lanternfish/starfish puns (http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5298032 – the description has most of what humor there is) were more an attempt to be clever rather than out-and-out gut-bustingly funny.
They probably still aren't funny now that they're explained, but sometimes an artist just has to do something for the pun of it, even if it does end up going over like an inflated metal.
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Aurali said:
American English is older than British English.
Right, because Englishmen from Britain didn't colonize North America giving it the English language for the first time. Nope, not at all. -.-
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In b4 topic is derai-
Oh...
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Clawstripe: hah. Inflated metal. Lead balloon. Good one. But seriously, the laternfish one I knew is an actual fish, thus the lack of a joke. I don't see this "crossed with a railroad lantern" bit you're talking about. Thus, the lack of more than mild amusement at best. Yes, stars, lanterns, starfish, lanternfish... But without them for example looking like obvious gag versions of themselves, it just... Looks like a picture of a fish with starfish.
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123easy said:
But seriously, the laternfish one I knew is an actual fish, thus the lack of a joke. I don't see this "crossed with a railroad lantern" bit you're talking about. Thus, the lack of more than mild amusement at best. Yes, stars, lanterns, starfish, lanternfish... But without them for example looking like obvious gag versions of themselves, it just... Looks like a picture of a fish with starfish.
I did say "attempt". In punning, some things will make the audience laugh and some things will make them scratch their heads and not get it. The audience isn't at fault when the artist is being too clever for his own good. In this case, the pun flopped badly. Back to the drawing board, artist!
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Quite. Also, overuse of puns. ugh. Piers Anthony's Xanth series originally was horribly humours thanks to the puns. Now... it's wearisome thanks to the just humongous numbers of puns. :<
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123easy said:
Right, because Englishmen from Britain didn't colonize North America giving it the English language for the first time. Nope, not at all. -.-
No but the Englishmen from britain changed their language greatly in the early 19th century to sound more roman and less germanic... that's why they pronounce certain words differently.
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Has it become customary around here to derail almost every thread with arguments no one really cares about?
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123easy said:
Quite. Also, overuse of puns. ugh. Piers Anthony's Xanth series originally was horribly humours thanks to the puns. Now... it's wearisome thanks to the just humongous numbers of puns. :<
Your mileage may vary on whether it's the number of puns or not. In my opinion, the problem isn't the number of puns but that he doesn't do much of anything relevant or useful for a lot of them. Many of them are just plopped into the story for a cameo or BLAM Moment, and the reader just isn't lead into caring about them.
A bigger problem is that, in the earlier books, puns were part of the background setting and the characters typically no more noticed them as puns as we Mundanes would notice specific rocks on the ground or trees beside the road in our everyday lives. Nowadays, the characters often recognize the puns specifically as puns instead of everyday aspects of normal Xanth life. It's a similar principle to why Kirk wouldn't stop to explain how his phaser works before he used it. He'd just use it as a normal part of his world setting.
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