...based on the rules I've seen so far

Discussion is absolutely welcome. Hopefully we can come to some sort of consensus.

y     = explicitly present
n/non = explicitly absent
mas   = obviously masculine
fem   = obviously feminine
bot   = both masculine and feminine
u/unk = unknown, obscured or ambiguous
 
Genitals? ┬ non ─ [neuter]
          ├ mas ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ [dickgirl]
          │                ├ n ─ [male]
          │                └ u ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [male]
          │                                 ├ fem ─ [dickgirl]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [male]
          ├ fem ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ [female]
          │                ├ n ┬ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [cuntboy]
          │                └ u ┘            ├ fem ─ [female]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [female]
          ├ bot ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ [herm]
          │                ├ n ┬ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [maleherm]
          │                └ u ┘            ├ fem ─ [herm]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [herm]
          └ unk ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ [female]
                           ├ n ┬ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [male]
                           └ u ┘            ├ fem ─ [female]
                                            └ unk ─ [ambiguous_gender]

 
And a link to the wiki entry: howto:tag genders
(Edit by titaniachkt)

I agree, but don't bother. Nobody really pays attention to tagging rules until they get slapped by an admin, then they go on a self-righteous crusade against the 'stupid' rules.

Ya, those one or two people once and a while is totally everyone :)

CamKitty said:
Ya, those one or two people once and a while is totally everyone :)

Just about every tagging issue I've seen has resulted in a thermonuclear explosion of concentrated derp and some traces of dorp.

I think most of the time, everyone agrees pretty easily on what gender tag an image needs. The difficulty is that every once in awhile, someone wants to disregard TWYS or proclaim how it's THEIR CHARACTER and they can tag it how they want!!1!oneone.

It only becomes real trouble if the Admin step in, and the tag offenders decide to be whiny b!tches instead of accepting the final judgment.

Uhh, a feminine body, and a penis without breasts isn't a dickgirl, that's a femboy.

Hammie said:
Uhh, a feminine body, and a penis without breasts isn't a dickgirl, that's a femboy.

See, that's one of the things I've been wondering. Do we default to [flat_chested dickgirl] or [girly male], and how does that apply to ferals without breasts (namely feminine-bodied mlp with dicks)?

MaShCr said:
See, that's one of the things I've been wondering. Do we default to [flat_chested dickgirl] or [girly male], and how does that apply to ferals without breasts (namely feminine-bodied mlp with dicks)?

This has been argued time and time again over numerous threads. The final choice was quite simple. If it has a cunt on a masculine body, its a cuntboy, if it has a dick on a feminin body, but no tits, its a girly boy. If it's got a dick, boobs, and a feminin body, it's a dick girl. If its flat, with a cunt, on a feminin body its a flat girl, only when the dick and cunt are both visible is herm tagged, fully clothed are tagged according ot their body type should they not have visible breasts/bulges in their clothing.

Princess_Celestia said:
If it has a dick on a feminin body, but no tits, its a girly boy.

When you say "no tits," does that mean only those with an explicitly visible flat chest like post #222757

, or are those that may have tits but whose chests are off-camera or otherwise obscured like post #147411

included as well?

MaShCr said:
When you say "no tits," does that mean only those with an explicitly visible flat chest like post #222757

, or are those that may have tits but whose chests are off-camera or otherwise obscured like post #147411

included as well?

The formedr has the girly boy tag, the later is...OH DEAR SWEET FUCKING JESUS MY EYES. MY EEEEYEEEES

Well, according to TWYS...
femboy?

Hammie said:
Well, according to TWYS...
femboy?

i..I honestly cant tell, and I cant stomach to stare at it long enough to make a choice, by the gods.

well, no vagina, so clearly no herm, I'm takin' that tag off.

For the sake of not changing too much, I'm going to assume that those round blue things at the top of the picture are boobs, so dickgirl fits.

MaShCr said:
post #147411

Why would you SHOW us that??![/i]

How about we just stick with what we use already.

DobiesHot said:
Why would you SHOW us that??![/i]

Because your eyes haven't been burned nearly enough today.

Hammie said:
For the sake of not changing too much, I'm going to assume that those round blue things at the top of the picture are boobs, so dickgirl fits.

Regardless of the... content ...of that particular image, my question still stands.

If the subject has a penis, no pussy, an obviously feminine figure, but the chest is not visible, what gender is it tagged as?

MaShCr said:
If the subject has a penis, no pussy, an obviously feminine figure, but the chest is not visible, what gender is it tagged as?

Well... Male and Girly tags, I think. However, in the case of your monstrous example, I suspect there would be debate over whether the figure is obviously feminine. I'd probably want to just tag it Male and maybe add something about crossdressing.

Just throwing in my thoughts-
Cuntboys and flat-chested females will always be debated. Sadly, there's no real way to settle this argument of those two. Some furres say that cuntboys are just flat-chested girls, some say that there is a difference, some bish until the cows come home.

Dickgirl is a repulsive term.

H3xx said:
Dickgirl is a repulsive term.

Nobody cares.

My Suggestion:
Don't use tags like "dickgirl", "cuntboy", etc.
What about tags for primary and secondary sexual characteristics + body type?
All tags are searchable "must have", "must not have" and "I don't care" and this way, one is able to create every combination.
Plus if a species by default doesn't have breasts, there's no problem -> just don't add the breasts tag.

Calimero000 said:
My Suggestion:
Don't use tags like "dickgirl", "cuntboy", etc.
What about tags for primary and secondary sexual characteristics + body type?
All tags are searchable "must have", "must not have" and "I don't care" and this way, one is able to create every combination.
Plus if a species by default doesn't have breasts, there's no problem -> just don't add the breasts tag.

Because searching "penis breasts -pussy feminine" is a lot less reliable than "dickgirl", especially when most people have a limit of 5 tags per search.

H3xx said:
Dickgirl is a repulsive term.

And "cuntboy" isn't? Same logic there. Kids these days. "When will they ever learn" (Where Have All The Flowers Gone, Pete Seeger).

Sorry, but I had just had to point that out to other people thinking about making rude comments and ticking off an administrator in the process (assuming that was the reason he got blocked).

Anyway, I wanted to chime in and back up Snowmew's comment. Most of us can only use five tags, and it can get pretty iffy when you're trying to narrow down a search, especially when you have to use four of those tags to do the work of one.

Maybe I don't want to see dickgirls (I don't, for the record). I'm not that particularly fond of cuntboys, either, notwithstanding the raging controversy over the difference between them and flat-chested females. My preference is for normal, ordinary males and females engaged in heterosexual activity, where there's any sex going on in an image. I don't want to have to use half of the tags in my pool to just insure that's what I see.

"dickgirl", "cuntboy", "herm", etc., are perfectly good tags to describe what people actually see when they look at an image. I know there's a lot of confusion about all the "alternative genders" that turn up in furry images, but I think we already have a good system for categorizing them for tagging purposes.

Bottom line: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. This ain't broke. It don't need no fixin'.

The two terms are a bit profane, but I can't think of something that would be better

Rainbow_Dash said:
The two terms are a bit profane, but I can't think of something that would be better

How about Tranny....since Hermaphrodite already implemented

Falord said:
How about Tranny....since Hermaphrodite already implemented

I dunno, tranny seems to denote that the character has been gender-reassigned. I think dickgirl is a nicely descriptive word that doesn't have to imply any specific background.

Also, when did we start worrying about being pc with our tags?

I think the main issue with "tranny" is that this term has a well-established meaning that has nothing to do with gender re-assignment. It doesn't technically refer to transexuals. It refers to transvestites (cross-dressers), and most transvestites have no desire to alter their bodies to represent their sexual opposite.

Therefore a tranny is very unlikely to be a dickgirl. While it's sometimes used to refer to transexuals by people who aren't actually part of the transexual/transgender community, transexuals will generally find the term offensive if it is applied to them.

My source for this factual data is the Wikipedia article Transgender, its talk section on that article, and the fact that I actually have a number of transexual and transgendered friends who I can query about such things.

I was think of just taking dick and cunt out of the words and replacing them with softer words

Um ... so, "penisgirl" and "vulvaboy"? Or, if we really want to get PC about it, how about "penisfemaleperson" and "vulvamaleperson"? I'm just jesting, of course, but my point is that I don't think that's going to work.

I'm in agreement that the terms "dickgirl" and "cuntboy" are vulgar, and even a little bit objectionable, but these are established terms and most of us know what they mean, even if we can't always agree that they apply to any specfic instance of a person depicted in artwork.

In the past, "shemale" was in usage to indicate what "dickgirl" eventually came to mean -- namely, a guy with breasts (usually through the use of artificial implants). Then "dickgirl" started being used promiscuosly for other things, like futa. This is what has complicated the issue of its usage, here.

Cuntboy will probably always be a point of contention, because some users just can't seem to wrap their brains around the idea that a "cuntboy" has a masculine body, and some artists draw them rather androgynously, so it's hard to tell either way. Technically, these should represent true transexuals who have undergone the medical procedure to transform their genitalia, but have not elected to undergo breast development.

At any rate, we don't have an analogue in the English language for cuntboys like we do for dickgirls, although I'll bet there is one in the Japanese language. I don't speak Japanese, although someone else around here might know.

RedRaven said:
Um ... so, "penisgirl" and "vulvaboy"? Or, if we really want to get PC about it, how about "penisfemaleperson" and "vulvamaleperson"?

Now you're just being abstract.

Can we get the "basic" flow chart in here too from one of the admin?
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's head hurts from the complex one. Plus I like to at least try to be civil (and nit a compleate snitch) and try to show user's the whole gender chart thing... but this ones so complex my brain hurts unless I think about it for a couple of minutes...

Rofl at people who think this flowchart is complex.

Relevant xkcd comic.

Being transgender, I find some of the terms fairly offensive. Although I understand that this is a fetish site, proper labeling could still be used.. maybe.

Technically, MTF would be a term to describe a person who identifies as a female but was born with a male body. And FTM would be a term to describe a person who identifies as male but was born with a female body. Both MTFs and FTMs can be in several stages of transition: no-op, pre-op, transitioning, and post-op. For example, an MTF who is no-op is has a biologically male body, doesn't plan on under-going SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) or HRT (hormone replacement therapy) BUT identifies as a female. The transitioning phase of transgender people is (I guess) where people get the terms "dickgirl", "femboy", "cuntboy", etc. In my opinion, if you want to see a transitioning MTF/FTM searching those words is going to lead you in the perfect direction.. though, you won't see any actual photographs because I do not know any person that would fetishize their body...

I suppose my suggestion, if these tags were to be changed, they should be changed from: "dickgirl"/"femboy" -> MTF or MTFcrs (MTF with chest reconstruction surgery) and "cuntboy" -> FTM or FTMcrs (FTM with chest reconstruction surgery)

Also, I'd like to note that "herm/hermaphrodite" is an outdated term and significantly offensive. The correct term is intersex. I draw intersex artwork and when using this site, I will tag my art as intersex, I was hoping maybe that tag could get grown instead of the tag "herm".

(SIDENOTE: If you use tumblr and a platform to post yiff stuff, I DO NOT suggest tagging yiff art that contains a "cuntboy"/FTM or "dickgirl"/MTF in tumblr's MTF/FTM tag. They will be PISSED!!)

tl;dr:
"cuntboy" -> FTM/FTMcrs
"femboy"/"dickgirl" -> MTF/MTFcrs
"herm" -> intersex

BADDOG said:
Being transgender, I find some of the terms fairly offensive. Although I understand that this is a fetish site, proper labeling could still be used.. maybe.

Technically, MTF would be a term to describe a person who identifies as a female but was born with a male body. And FTM would be a term to describe a person who identifies as male but was born with a female body. Both MTFs and FTMs can be in several stages of transition: no-op, pre-op, transitioning, and post-op. For example, an MTF who is no-op is has a biologically male body, doesn't plan on under-going SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) or HRT (hormone replacement therapy) BUT identifies as a female. The transitioning phase of transgender people is (I guess) where people get the terms "dickgirl", "femboy", "cuntboy", etc. In my opinion, if you want to see a transitioning MTF/FTM searching those words is going to lead you in the perfect direction.. though, you won't see any actual photographs because I do not know any person that would fetishize their body...

I suppose my suggestion, if these tags were to be changed, they should be changed from: "dickgirl"/"femboy" -> MTF or MTFcrs (MTF with chest reconstruction surgery) and "cuntboy" -> FTM or FTMcrs (FTM with chest reconstruction surgery)

Also, I'd like to note that "herm/hermaphrodite" is an outdated term and significantly offensive. The correct term is intersex. I draw intersex artwork and when using this site, I will tag my art as intersex, I was hoping maybe that tag could get grown instead of the tag "herm".

(SIDENOTE: If you use tumblr and a platform to post yiff stuff, I DO NOT suggest tagging yiff art that contains a "cuntboy"/FTM or "dickgirl"/MTF in tumblr's MTF/FTM tag. They will be PISSED!!)

tl;dr:
"cuntboy" -> FTM/FTMcrs
"femboy"/"dickgirl" -> MTF/MTFcrs
"herm" -> intersex

All the tags used here are about sex not gender. There are no tags concerning gender here. The reason for this is that tags are here for search system. And if you search porn (or most of other things also) you don't search for gender, you search for sex. (In both meanings :) )

Also your suggestions would not only will disrupt search, but also may be offensive. femboy is aliased to girly, and it's, for example, about males wearing pink girls clothing. Not all males wearing pink clothing considered themselves female, you know?

Cuntboy doesn't imply nothing more than character with pussy, secondary male sexual characteristics, no penis and no breasts. Nothing about gender.

Same goes for other tags.

BADDOG said:
-snip-

Your reasoning is sound but there are some small problems, first, intersex is our umbrella term, which means either of the "non-standard" sexes will get that tag, the second problem is that we tag what we can see in the one specific picture and not "how could this have been done" which simply means, what if they are born with big tits and a penis? How would this be male to female?

And just saying, hermaphrodite is the correct term for organism, be it people or animals, that are born with both sets of genitals.
There are many species, worms, insects and others, who are regularly hermaphrodites. Since we assume that the people in the image are "born" that way and not artificially crafted means they deserve that tag.
Getting offended on that is like me getting offended if somebody calls me fat. I am fat, I know that I am fat, why the fuck should be offended that somebody managed to rub two braincells together to state the obvious?

BADDOG said:
tl;dr:
"cuntboy" -> FTM/FTMcrs
"femboy"/"dickgirl" -> MTF/MTFcrs
"herm" -> intersex

Believe me, this is far from the first time that this concern about potentially offensive terms in tags for our transgender users has been brought up. :P The two users above me have already done a pretty good job of describing why it's so difficult to move from our current terms in tags for this, but I'll see if I can elaborate some more.

The real problem here is you (we) can't win no matter what we do, from what I've seen so far. For instance, if we took your suggestions and said cuntboy = FTM, then we're ASSUMING that the character identifies as a male but was born in a female body (which honestly isn't even something that's taggable on e621 anyway, given our "Tag What You See" rule). However, EVEN IF we say "ok well on e621, FTM means you're a male with a vagina instead of a penis", we will absolutely have artists and character owners get in a fuss over it if they say that their character is NOT FTM, but that it really is just a male with a vagina. Again, (this is still hypothetical, not actual practice) on e621 we'd say that that's exactly what we define FTM to be for tagging purposes, but the artist/owner won't care because it LOOKS like we're claiming that their character is FTM in the normal sense, NOT e621's own personal definition of it.

Additionally, we'd be making an assumption regarding the character's "starting" gender when we say MTF or FTM, when there's honestly no way for us to actually know what their starting gender was. For instance, your suggestions above seem backwards to me; I would assume a cuntboy to be an MTF, not an FTM, since their body is male except for their vagina. Saying that a cuntboy is FTM sounds like everything changed BUT the vagina. Which one of us is right? (hint: I have no idea)

I could expand on some other examples, but that's about the jist of it.

So if you could find us a term that literally means "a boy with a vagina instead of a penis" and does NOT also imply "transgender", I'd be very interested to learn about it. Same for "dickgirl" too. :)

I can assure you that the tags are the way they are not because we're insensitive, but because there's literally not been any suitable alternative proposed that doesn't involve using terms that have different meanings than the terms we're currently using.

Thank you for your informative responses Gilda, NotMeNotYou, and Char.

"You don't search for gender, you search for sex." really summed it all up.

I suppose it truly is a touchy subject and it's hard to have a solution. I doubt I could ever find an appropriate word that means "a boy with a vagina instead of a penis" that has nothing to do with transgender. It's a real puzzle.

Now that I think about it, I really wouldn't like if by labeling "cuntboy" art as FTM, FTMs were then labeled as cuntboys. I don't really want the labels touching each other at all. It could really lash back. In this case, disregard my suggestion completely, my opinion has been changed. :P

Again, thank you all for your kind and helpful replies.

BADDOG said:
Thank you for your informative responses Gilda, NotMeNotYou, and Char.

"You don't search for gender, you search for sex." really summed it all up.

I suppose it truly is a touchy subject and it's hard to have a solution. I doubt I could ever find an appropriate word that means "a boy with a vagina instead of a penis" that has nothing to do with transgender. It's a real puzzle.

Now that I think about it, I really wouldn't like if by labeling "cuntboy" art as FTM, FTMs were then labeled as cuntboys. I don't really want the labels touching each other at all. It could really lash back. In this case, disregard my suggestion completely, my opinion has been changed. :P

Again, thank you all for your kind and helpful replies.

No problem at all <3 And I'm glad to see that this conversation stayed civil and informative; that's not always been the case when discussing our gender tags, unfortunately. It's amazing what a little time and effort taken in explaining the underlying issues/difficulties will do. :)

couldn't we just soften the blow a bit by calling it something like vagmale instead of cuntboy?

It feels kind of like calling someone who's giving oral a fuckface xD however fun it might be, it's still offensive to a great deal of people.

Kimpumomo said:
couldn't we just soften the blow a bit by calling it something like vagmale instead of cuntboy?

It feels kind of like calling someone who's giving oral a fuckface xD however fun it might be, it's still offensive to a great deal of people.

Your heart is in the right place, but who in the hell (besides you) would ever think to search for "vagmale"? It looks like a variety of salsa.

Foobaria said:
Your heart is in the right place, but who in the hell (besides you) would ever think to search for "vagmale"? It looks like a variety of salsa.

Mmmm. Salsa. =^.^=

Kimpumomo said:
couldn't we just soften the blow a bit by calling it something like vagmale instead of cuntboy?

It feels kind of like calling someone who's giving oral a fuckface xD however fun it might be, it's still offensive to a great deal of people.

99% of the Internet use the word 'cuntboy' and it would just make no sense to make up a word that isn't even obvious what it is for no real reason.

Foobaria said:
Your heart is in the right place, but who in the hell (besides you) would ever think to search for "vagmale"? It looks like a variety of salsa.

Guys, really... You should already now how aliases work, and why this argument is dumb.

Besides, if it was my decision tags would be totally like this:
herm => breastsVisible().penisVisible().pussyVisible()

all clear, neutral and elegant.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Guys, really... You should already now how aliases work, and why this argument is dumb.

Besides, if it was my decision tags would be totally like this:
herm => breastsVisible().penisVisible().pussyVisible()

all clear, neutral and elegant.

*segfaults*

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Besides, if it was my decision tags would be totally like this:
herm => breastsVisible().penisVisible().pussyVisible()

all clear, neutral and elegant.

So, moobs and chickenbreasts count too? What about female cats?

NotMeNotYou said:
So, moobs and chickenbreasts count too? What about female cats?

Then it throws an exception, duh. And your examples invalidate also this topic.

But let me correct myself
penisVisible().pussyVisible().secondaryMaleSexCharacteristicsNotVisible() There, isn't it beautiful?

Added the wiki version to the OP, which includes a descriptive version of the flowchart

(That should be easier on those who aren't visual learners)

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Then it throws an exception, duh. And your examples invalidate also this topic.

But let me correct myself
penisVisible().pussyVisible().secondaryMaleSexCharacteristicsNotVisible() There, isn't it beautiful?

Nope, because herm is (characterA.penisVisible && characterA.pussyVisible). Secondary male sex characteristics can be visible or not. We have a tag for herms with male secondary sex characteristics, but it implies herm.

I am sick and tired of female Charr from GW2 getting labeled as "cuntboys" it is wrong and completely out of place. For the love of all things furry when something is something stop trying to make it something else.

Bit of a tough one.
Female looking character, penis growing out of her eye socket.
No visible vagina.
Dickgirl?

Hammie said:
Bit of a tough one.
Female looking character, penis growing out of her eye socket.
No visible vagina.
Dickgirl?

female monster.

If you ever see something done by demon-man, just run.

Not sure monster really fits either, here take a look:
https://e621.net/post/show/279987/animated-black_and_white-body_modification-cum-cum

Hammie said:
Not sure monster really fits either, here take a look:
https://e621.net/post/show/279987/animated-black_and_white-body_modification-cum-cum

I'd tag this as ambiguous_gender based on the fact that the haircut alone is a bit less to properly identify the gender. But that type of thing should probably get his own thread, I'd simply tag is as body_mod 'normal gender' and then whatever they get additionally.

Rainbow_Dash said:
I was think of just taking dick and cunt out of the words and replacing them with softer words

Personally... That's not the part that I dislike. Boy and girl just make them sound pedo to me.

I've always been a bit curious about the whole cuntboy thing. It seems to say that we consider their gender decided by secondary sexual characteristics and general body shape rather than primary ones. I'll concede that seems to be what people are going with, but it's a strange idea - I think we've gotten so used to herm and mixed genders that we've forgotten that at the end of the day, it's the primary characteristics (dicks and vag, aw yeah) that are the real indicator of gender. Cuntboy seems to say that any woman with a flat chest and a boyish build is actually a male. Does that really make sense?

Triss said:
I've always been a bit curious about the whole cuntboy thing. It seems to say that we consider their gender decided by secondary sexual characteristics and general body shape rather than primary ones. I'll concede that seems to be what people are going with, but it's a strange idea - I think we've gotten so used to herm and mixed genders that we've forgotten that at the end of the day, it's the primary characteristics (dicks and vag, aw yeah) that are the real indicator of gender. Cuntboy seems to say that any woman with a flat chest and a boyish build is actually a male. Does that really make sense?

We have to draw a line somewhere.
If you say anything with a vagina and no penis is a female then you're wrong about cuntboys.
If you say masculine build and no breasts with a vagina is a cuntboy then you are going to get some manly chicks in there too.

There's no perfect solution, but we tag what it "looks like" because we tag for people to find what they're looking for picture-wise.

Hammie said:
We have to draw a line somewhere.
If you say anything with a vagina and no penis is a female then you're wrong about cuntboys.
If you say masculine build and no breasts with a vagina is a cuntboy then you are going to get some manly chicks in there too.

There's no perfect solution, but we tag what it "looks like" because we tag for people to find what they're looking for picture-wise.

Yeah, the existence of cuntboys as a thing in furry does complicate it all - that's fair. I was probably extending the flowchart a bit too far into real life, and noticing there were problems in that context...

Yep, tagging reality would be much easier.

If the tags are about sex and not gender, shouldn't ambiguous_gender be ambiguous_sex?

Ryunosuke said:
If the tags are about sex and not gender, shouldn't ambiguous_gender be ambiguous_sex?

Probably yes, but then tags on pictures would look like
ambiguous_sex
oral_sex
sex
and, at least for me, it looks silly.

Noobish tagger question: where does a cloaca fit in in the flowchart? How does one tell the difference between unaroused male and cuntboy if there's only a cloaca to be seen?

Genjar said:
Noobish tagger question: where does a cloaca fit in in the flowchart? How does one tell the difference between unaroused male and cuntboy if there's only a cloaca to be seen?

If there's no visible penis I wouldn't tag it male.

Hammie said:
If there's no visible penis I wouldn't tag it male.

But should it be tagged as female, cuntboy, or ambiguous_gender? That's what's unclear to me. Personally I'd go with ambiguous_gender, but obviously there are a lot of folks who don't agree. Since I've seen some pics where the gender has fluctuated from male to cuntboy to female and back.

Genjar said:
But should it be tagged as female, cuntboy, or ambiguous_gender? That's what's unclear to me. Personally I'd go with ambiguous_gender, but obviously there are a lot of folks who don't agree. Since I've seen some pics where the gender has fluctuated from male to cuntboy to female and back.

If there's no breasts, I'd go with cuntboy.

Maybe on anthros, but what about ferals that don't normally have breasts? Birds, dragons and such, the ones that usually have cloacas. Not to mention that cloacas aren't cunts.

I can see why there are so many tag wars about those.
...I think I'll just skip 'em and let someone else sort them out.

Genjar said:
Maybe on anthros, but what about ferals that don't normally have breasts? Birds, dragons and such, the ones that usually have cloacas. Not to mention that cloacas aren't cunts.

I can see why there are so many tag wars about those.
...I think I'll just skip 'em and let someone else sort them out.

Having or not having a dick, breasts or vaginas isn't the only deciding factor with tagging genders, if there are other identifying characteristics shown (eyelashes, curvy hips, slight shoulders, lack of an adam's apple, etc.) then it can be tagged female, or male if there are wide shoulders, more muscular, etc. etc.

Let me throw in my 2cents, for something which I feel is missing. What about masculine shemales? Manly body, but having breasts as their -only- feminime attribute.

Going from the wiki description of a dickgirl:
Dickgirl

Also called "newhalf" in Japanese porn, and "shemale" in English slang, a dickgirl is a character who is entirely female in appearance but has a penis instead of female genitalia. They may or may not have balls. This differs from futanari, in that futanari usually have female genitalia as well as a penis, and are a sub-category of actual hermaphrodites. Since dickgirls have only male genitalia, they are not considered hermaphrodites.

My recent submission http://e621.net/post/show/335186 depicts my jackal self as an intentionally masculine shemale, what Ive heard is often termed as a bustyboy as the counterpart to dickgirls.

Then I ask you folks, would you really consider such a body and form to be entirely female in appearance because of the breasts, despite having an otherwise male body?

Nefer said: [stuff]

I have to ask that last part too. I am sorry for my faux pas on the post yet I do agree that it isn't a feminine form. The hips are narrow, the chest is wide, even the facial features are very masculine. I -honestly- feel this does not fall into the category of dickgirl, at least not as it is. The tag I added "bustyboy" I feel should be a separate tag or at least a subcategory of "dickgirl" because with the current definition of dickgirl that picture does not fit. However it also does not fit in male, female, or herm. The only thing it -does- best fit into is intersex, yet that's hardly sufficient, I feel.

Nefer said:
Let me throw in my 2cents, for something which I feel is missing. What about masculine shemales? Manly body, but having breasts as their -only- feminime attribute.

Going from the wiki description of a dickgirl:
Dickgirl

Also called "newhalf" in Japanese porn, and "shemale" in English slang, a dickgirl is a character who is entirely female in appearance but has a penis instead of female genitalia. They may or may not have balls. This differs from futanari, in that futanari usually have female genitalia as well as a penis, and are a sub-category of actual hermaphrodites. Since dickgirls have only male genitalia, they are not considered hermaphrodites.

My recent submission http://e621.net/post/show/335186 depicts my jackal self as an intentionally masculine shemale, what Ive heard is often termed as a bustyboy as the counterpart to dickgirls.

Then I ask you folks, would you really consider such a body and form to be entirely female in appearance because of the breasts, despite having an otherwise male body?

Gonna hafta vote no on that, we don't need another ridiculous term added to the list of already ridiculous gender terms we have as is {eyes cuntboy} or to add even more infighting between tagging genders.

If we want to get rid of ridiculous terms, we can always just use penis_and_vagina_but_no_breasts, penis_and_breasts_but_no_vagina, penis_and_breasts_and_vagina, and flat_chested female to represent the in-betweens.

GreyMaria said:
If we want to get rid of ridiculous terms, we can always just use penis_and_vagina_but_no_breasts, penis_and_breasts_but_no_vagina, penis_and_breasts_and_vagina, and flat_chested female to represent the in-betweens.

Sounds dumb. But it would stop gender-tagging wars. Also, it's not offensive.

Xch3l said:
Sounds dumb. But it would stop gender-tagging wars. Also, it's not offensive.

The only probl--er, wait, this is a benefit. We'd be eliminating the cuntboy tag and gender by doing so.

This puts an amusing spin on the whole MLP 'gender is muzzle shape' argument considering the masculine form and facial structure present here along with breasts. (No, I'm not actually arguing this one way or another, just thinking out loud)

No, we don't need another gender tag for people to get their tits twisted about and start a war over in the comments. Dickgirl and cuntboy cause enough drama as it is, we don't need to start adding even more derivative gender tags to fuel the fire.