I've posted two things here. they both recieved negative comments that ruined my day (it doesn't take much to ruin my day). If I continue posting my art here is this something I should expect?

Not always.

post #695029 got a negative comment because the right eye is noticeably missing, causing someone to sarcastically point out.

post #695421 looks like it's heavily referenced to an existing post, that's why people are pointing out that it could be a trace.

I also got a few negative votes for no discernible reason. Apparently someone doesn't like conflicting opinions?

post #693183

Azarion said:
I also got a few negative votes for no discernible reason. Apparently someone doesn't like conflicting opinions?

post #693183

Simple. People have BS opinions, and their having opinions doesn't make them right. This place is a farce and are just plain and simply butthurt. The only do it because they can.

I never wished I uploaded on here.

fox_whisper85 said:
Simple. People have BS opinions, and their having opinions doesn't make them right. This place is a farce and are just plain and simply butthurt. The only do it because they can.

I never wished I uploaded on here.

Don't feel disheartened. I'd say upload anything you are proud of. As long as it doesn't break any of the conducts on e6.

As for being down voted, I don't really care.
The person I have a hunch one person down voted everyone through several different accounts. wouldn't even tell why he/she was down voting in the first place.

I'm not scared of people hating on my opinions until they meet me in person. That would make things interesting.

Edit: I checked out some of your posts and I can honestly say you did a pretty good job on them. You definitely deserve to be up-voted for your hard work. :)

I really don't get why people are so bothered by downvotes, honestly. It seems we can't go for very long without someone new showing up and complaining.

If you are having troubles dealing with people disliking your art, perhaps FA is a better fit for you, since the comments there seem to be much more of an echo-chamber.

I wish summer was over so you kids would go back to school

but feel free to post here

Well, they aren't negative. The guys just pointed out something they observed.

And why should there be something negative? Good work, and for people who like that stuff (not me) its surely great art

Expect criticism.

Your art is pretty good actually, but there's always gonna be that one negative nancy that has some vendetta against aspiring artists. Or that one dude who has jokes about mistakes in your drawings (including me!)

I won't tell you to ignore it. In fact, embrace it. Take note and make sure that your next picture is even better.

Azarion said:
Don't feel disheartened. I'd say upload anything you are proud of. As long as it doesn't break any of the conducts on e6.

As for being down voted, I don't really care.
The person I have a hunch one person down voted everyone through several different accounts. wouldn't even tell why he/she was down voting in the first place.

I'm not scared of people hating on my opinions until they meet me in person. That would make things interesting.

Edit: I checked out some of your posts and I can honestly say you did a pretty good job on them. You definitely deserve to be up-voted for your hard work. :)

The problem isn't the criticism so much as it is high expectations. That and tacked on the fact that anyone who has the audacity to use freely-available assets (ported models, maps, materials, etc from Valve games), and being called out on that. It's almost like choosing not to draw digital art is a crime or something, you know?

Like, even when I do try to improve overall composition (lighting/shadows, poses, camera angles and so forth), that I still somehow fall short. I just...have self-doubt and self-confidence issues. :P

It's like those who want to use 3D art are treated as criminals and shouldn't be allowed to use it as a medium of their choice.

fox_whisper85 said:
The problem isn't the criticism so much as it is high expectations. That and tacked on the fact that anyone who has the audacity to use freely-available assets (ported models, maps, materials, etc from Valve games), and being called out on that. It's almost like choosing not to draw digital art is a crime or something, you know?

Like, even when I do try to improve overall composition (lighting/shadows, poses, camera angles and so forth), that I still somehow fall short. I just...have self-doubt and self-confidence issues. :P

It's like those who want to use 3D art are treated as criminals and shouldn't be allowed to use it as a medium of their choice.

I find that people don't really like when others simply use preexisting items for their work. I have seen many complaints elsewhere about the use of bases, especially for adoptables and refsheets. It isn't just 3D art, it's any art that uses models or bases. It comes across as lazy.

I get downvotes and the occasional negative comment on my work as well. It bugs me some when it is something I worked very hard on, but that's just part of the site.

Dragonlayer said:
Expect criticism.

Your art is pretty good actually, but there's always gonna be that one negative nancy that has some vendetta against aspiring artists. Or that one dude who has jokes about mistakes in your drawings (including me!)

I won't tell you to ignore it. In fact, embrace it. Take note and make sure that your next picture is even better.

It amuses me that people think this sort of thing qualifies as "criticism."

It's like people on the internet think they can say whatever rude things they want to artists and have a complete pass so long as they call it that. If you wouldn't say it to an artist in real life, you're probably just being an obnoxious dillhole.

Ratte said:
I find that people don't really like when others simply use preexisting items for their work. I have seen many complaints elsewhere about the use of bases, especially for adoptables and refsheets. It isn't just 3D art, it's any art that uses models or bases. It comes across as lazy.

I get downvotes and the occasional negative comment on my work as well. It bugs me some when it is something I worked very hard on, but that's just part of the site.

See? That's what pisses me off, I use the models freely given, I make art/poses out of said models and credit those who make it, I don't want to be associated with plagiarism, not in the last. However, the other aspect is that they needn't treat those who do decide to use them like criminals, it's bloody annoying and they think they can hide behind a wall of anonymity just so they can say whatever they want. It's bulls**t as far as I'm concerned. If I choose not to draw or learn how make 3D models, that's my prerogative. I'm still unsure on whether or not I want to submit art here ever again if people bitch about 3D art not being "original". -_-

To those complaining about my posting 3D art using other assets, freaking deal with it.

fox_whisper85 said:
See? That's what pisses me off, I use the models freely given, I make art/poses out of said models and credit those who make it, I don't want to be associated with plagiarism, not in the last. However, the other aspect is that they needn't treat those who do decide to use them like criminals, it's bloody annoying and they think they can hide behind a wall of anonymity just so they can say whatever they want. It's bulls**t as far as I'm concerned. If I choose not to draw or learn how make 3D models, that's my prerogative. I'm still unsure on whether or not I want to submit art here ever again if people bitch about 3D art not being "original". -_-

To those complaining about my posting 3D art using other assets, freaking deal with it.

If a comment goes against the site's Code of Conduct, you may report it so that we can take a look at the user's activity. There must still be a modicum of civility maintained in the comments, even if an opinion is not one you agree with.

As someone who does make all of their own work-- I, too, see the issue as many others do. It seems lazy. Unfortunately I am not sure how to describe how it appears from a viewer's perspective without sounding overly harsh.

Ratte said:
If a comment goes against the site's Code of Conduct, you may report it so that we can take a look at the user's activity. There must still be a modicum of civility maintained in the comments, even if an opinion is not one you agree with.

As someone who does make all of their own work-- I, too, see the issue as many others do. It seems lazy. Unfortunately I am not sure how to describe how it appears from a viewer's perspective without sounding overly harsh.

Well, that is more than fair enough I suppose, and yet, why the hell should I even bother with this site if people are going to view 3D that isn't their own work in such a manner? I find it rather disheartening as I lack the abilities to make my own models, I don't know even the rudiments of extruding polygons, UV maps, making textures, rigging the skeleton or making sure the vertices are in the right order.

This is the reason I am very very tempted to just bloody give up even trying to share 3D art on here. I'm not trying to be rude, I am being brutally honest because, if everyone is that hellbent on bashing everything that isn't original or cited from other 3D modelers, etc, then why the f**k should I even bother posting at all? It's a vain effort, and that's how I feel around here.

At least you're honest about it, others, not so much, but damn, the vibes I get here are, "If you can't make your own art, get the hell out and stay out", am I wrong? That is the vibe I get from E621, "if it's not original, it's pure s**t".

I effing give up on this place, especially if 3D art that isn't from models of my own making, why do I even bother trying to my fifth wheel syndrome?

-_-

C'est la vie.

fox_whisper85 said:
Well, that is more than fair enough I suppose, and yet, why the hell should I even bother with this site if people are going to view 3D that isn't their own work in such a manner? I find it rather disheartening as I lack the abilities to make my own models, I don't know even the rudiments of extruding polygons, UV maps, making textures, rigging the skeleton or making sure the vertices are in the right order.

This is the reason I am very very tempted to just bloody give up even trying to share 3D art on here. I'm not trying to be rude, I am being brutally honest because, if everyone is that hellbent on bashing everything that isn't original or cited from other 3D modelers, etc, then why the f**k should I even bother posting at all? It's a vain effort, and that's how I feel around here.

At least you're honest about it, others, not so much, but damn, the vibes I get here are, "If you can't make your own art, get the hell out and stay out", am I wrong? That is the vibe I get from E621, "if it's not original, it's pure s**t".

-_-

The only reason you lack the ability to make your own assets is because you must put effort into doing so, my friend. These things do not magically happen overnight. If someone else can make what you use, you can make those things as well, but you must learn how. Play with your programs; that is how you learn.

Ratte said:
The only reason you lack the ability to make your own assets is because you must put effort into doing so, my friend. These things do not magically happen overnight. If someone else can make what you use, you can make those things as well, but you must learn how. Play with your programs; that is how you learn.

So if I decide to refine the 3D programs I have, or rather, decide to refrain from drawing or making my own 3D art, I'll continue to be publicly ridiculed and ostracized by others who shun unoriginal content? If I decide to add better lighting, poses, shadows, etc with the freely available assets before I take the time to learn to make 3D models of my own volition, is that a crime as well?

I'm f**king done with this place. If all I'm going to be told is to make my own models, instead of using that which is freely available as long as full credit is given to the artists, and if I decide not to learn to draw or make 3D art, what is the bloody point? There is none. It's nothing but being a fifth wheel, open to ridicule and being ostracized.

Choosing to use freely available models and get good at lighting/composition = bad, user must be shunned

Choosing to take time to draw and learn to make own 3D models = good

Freaking unbelievable. This place is a farce, why did I sign up again? Oh right, to be called out for posting 3D art from other models that aren't of my own making. Gotcha. Fucking hell.

Even if I did want to make my own models, I sure as hell wouldn't post it here. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to get what vibes are here, and they aren't good for me at all. I don't deserve to post anything on here that isn't original, people will only get asshurt and bitch all day long about how it sucks. I know they will. I've made enough enemies on here, enough people hate my being on here and what I post

:(

fox_whisper85 said:

:(

Stop complaining and start dealing with your problems. But how? Do you just quit? OR can you improve?

When people downvote, they downvote for a reason. I can clearly see why some of your posts got negative scores(if that's the problem right now).

TheGreatWolfgang said:
Stop complaining and start dealing with your problems. But how? Do you just quit? OR can you improve?

When people downvote, they downvote for a reason. I can clearly see why some of your posts got negative scores(if that's the problem right now).

I've been speaking with a mod about this and what I can do, I won't get into details, but I know where I can improve. The downvotes don't bother so much as peoples' negative responses. I don't care if people like one thing but not another, but there are better and more efficacious ways of people addressing an issue with something. So I have downvotes, and you don't like what I post, fine, but there's a line that's drawn before peoples' negativity becomes an attack. I have my reasons for using what I use, for doing what I do, and reasons for not resorting to drawing or making 3D models at this point in time.

Edit: Wait, you said "some" and not all? So there's hope after all?

Edit 2: See, aside from telling me to use 3D models made from scratch, if people told me how to improve the poses I do make....

fox_whisper85 said:
but there's a line that's drawn before peoples' negativity becomes an attack.

It WILL become an attack if you don't change. They hate something, and if you keep on doing so, it will become a nuisance to them.

But after reading forum #163887, I have to agree with you. That attack was targeting 3d artists that use from no-to-little time to make something(that lacks quality) in SFM. And you started to make it into an argument which ultimately lead to its closure.

All I can say is, source_filmmaker is a dangerous territory to be in right now. Some people actually like it while some despise it A LOT. Using SFM to make art is like professional photography, you don't do it right, people wouldn't like it. You need to be able to compete with the other posts there to be liked.

Static images are less desired over animations. Starting to do animations would be a good start.

And one more thing, macro/micro, gore & vore are the not so "desired" tags, if it's good artwork it may get likes, but the way you use it may change the outcome dramatically, especially when you're using SFM.

If you want to talk more about this, msg me. I don't want to further derail this topic.

fox_whisper85 said:
So if I decide to refine the 3D programs I have, or rather, decide to refrain from drawing or making my own 3D art, I'll continue to be publicly ridiculed and ostracized by others who shun unoriginal content? If I decide to add better lighting, poses, shadows, etc with the freely available assets before I take the time to learn to make 3D models of my own volition, is that a crime as well?

I'm f**king done with this place. If all I'm going to be told is to make my own models, instead of using that which is freely available as long as full credit is given to the artists, and if I decide not to learn to draw or make 3D art, what is the bloody point? There is none. It's nothing but being a fifth wheel, open to ridicule and being ostracized.

Choosing to use freely available models and get good at lighting/composition = bad, user must be shunned

Choosing to take time to draw and learn to make own 3D models = good

Freaking unbelievable. This place is a farce, why did I sign up again? Oh right, to be called out for posting 3D art from other models that aren't of my own making. Gotcha. Fucking hell.

Even if I did want to make my own models, I sure as hell wouldn't post it here. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to get what vibes are here, and they aren't good for me at all. I don't deserve to post anything on here that isn't original, people will only get asshurt and bitch all day long about how it sucks. I know they will. I've made enough enemies on here, enough people hate my being on here and what I post

:(

Your choice of art is only a fancy version of dressing up and posing barbie dolls.
How do you expect us to treat your creations with the same respect we give someone who spent more than a decade training to create things like post #684150? (For reference, that image took like 30h of work.)

If you want to get better you will have to learn, and the easiest way is to study whatever you want to do, you are on the internet, you have access to many centuries worth of knowledge created by millions of people.
Composition of light, shadows, poses, or entire landscapes and scenery is exactly the same as in a normal drawing, just that your tools are different.
You can also use reference images from the internet to see if your poses look natural, or if you want training just recreate photos and try to get as close to everything as possible.

Your options are almost endless, but be aware that your whining won't help you at all.
You either buckle up and learn, or end up like the others who think they're hot shit and barely measure up to mediocre.

Remind me why I even bother signing up for this hellhole again? Once again i choose to stick to posing with the resource that are freely available and get better at the overall composition of said screenshots, etc and at a later point, learn 3D modeling of my own accord. Why is that such a big problem for me to decide to want to do and when?

If my "Barbie doll posing" pics are such a problem, just effing add them to the blacklist. I mean, FFS.

Take a look at this https://e621.net/post/show/691245/2015-3d-animated-bennemonte-big_breasts-breasts-cl

This was not made from scratch, the person on Tumblr, who I believe has the username redmoa, did not make the models from scratch, they were merely ported over from Hyrule Warriors, there is absolutely no difference in what they do and what I do, barring the fact they do animations rather than static images. So maybe, just maybe, I should do looping animations instead.

Now, that second half or so, "Composition of light, shadows, poses, or entire landscapes and scenery is exactly the same as in a normal drawing, just that your tools are different.
You can also use reference images from the internet to see if your poses look natural, or if you want training just recreate photos and try to get as close to everything as possible" I agree with as well, I can look at other artwork for inspiration and I will also take up animation instead of static images with said models.

Later on this year, or even next, I will look into getting outside help and then learn to work on 3D models from scratch. I think another potential problem, no, I KNOW that a potential issue is that I need to make my work stand out, if that makes sense. If I'm gonna use these models at all, I need to make sure that I go above and beyond.

fox_whisper85 said:
Remind me why I even bother signing up for this hellhole again? Once again i choose to stick to posing with the resource that are freely available and get better at the overall composition of said screenshots, etc and at a later point, learn 3D modeling of my own accord. Why is that such a big problem for me to decide to want to do and when?

If my "Barbie doll posing" pics are such a problem, just effing add them to the blacklist. I mean, FFS.

Take a look at this https://e621.net/post/show/691245/2015-3d-animated-bennemonte-big_breasts-breasts-cl

This was not made from scratch, the person on Tumblr, who I believe has the username redmoa, did not make the models from scratch, they were merely ported over from Hyrule Warriors, there is absolutely no difference in what they do and what I do, barring the fact they do animations rather than static images. So maybe, just maybe, I should do looping animations instead.

You are completely right about people down voting pics solely based on if they blacklisted the pic or not.
This thread discusses this more in more detail: https://e621.net/forum
/show/165686

Shortly, those people can be banned for not blacklisting images they don't want to see and then complain about them several times. I feel 3D modelling has become something of a scapegoat.

Personally, I very rarely thumb a pic down, but when I do it's because I find it immoral, disturbing or something similar.

Using pre-set models sounds like a good way to practice your skills, until you become as good as the animators you look up to. Don't be afraid to post your work here or somewhere else until you do. :)

Azarion said:
You are completely right about people down voting pics solely based on if they blacklisted the pic or not.
This thread discusses this more in more detail: https://e621.net/forum
/show/165686

Shortly, those people can be banned for not blacklisting images they don't want to see and then complain about them several times. I feel 3D modelling has become something of a scapegoat.

Personally, I very rarely thumb a pic down, but when I do it's because I find it immoral, disturbing or something similar.

Using pre-set models sounds like a good way to practice your skills, until you become as good as the animators you look up to. Don't be afraid to post your work here or somewhere else until you do. :)

Makes sense to me, there are people that refuse to use the blacklisting features solely on the reason that they want to bash certain types of art and art mediums, if 3D bothers them, they should simply blacklist it, and it's easy to do as I've blacklisted art that just grosses me out and is something I find to be extremely sickening to the point of wanting to just poke my eyes out :D

That being said, in the PM I sent ya just now, I reiterate the fact I want to take up getting better at animations, I've made a few on other art sites, but they weren't that great lol XD Anyways, yes, I agree with the admin's post on that thread regarding the refusal to blacklist art that bothers them lol. Like, I do know areas I can improve in, and yes, I know that the models I use currently aren't my own, but others on here do it as well and if I'm guilty of not being original, so are they ^_^

fox_whisper85 said:
I know that the models I use currently aren't my own, but others on here do it as well and if I'm guilty of not being original, so are they ^_^

I completely agree. :)

fox_whisper85 said:
This was not made from scratch, the person on Tumblr, who I believe has the username redmoa, did not make the models from scratch, they were merely ported over from Hyrule Warriors, there is absolutely no difference in what they do and what I do, barring the fact they do animations rather than static images. So maybe, just maybe, I should do looping animations instead.

Animations are a lot harder since you need to make sure that ~20 frames per second look good. It's also easier for the human eye to see flaws like unnatural body positions when they are in motion, making it harder to make it look good.

fox_whisper85 said:
Now, that second half or so, "Composition of light, shadows, poses, or entire landscapes and scenery is exactly the same as in a normal drawing, just that your tools are different.
You can also use reference images from the internet to see if your poses look natural, or if you want training just recreate photos and try to get as close to everything as possible" I agree with as well, I can look at other artwork for inspiration and I will also take up animation instead of static images with said models.

Later on this year, or even next, I will look into getting outside help and then learn to work on 3D models from scratch. I think another potential problem, no, I KNOW that a potential issue is that I need to make my work stand out, if that makes sense. If I'm gonna use these models at all, I need to make sure that I go above and beyond.

Why are you so hellbent on waiting? You know what the issue is, you know what the obvious solution is. Why are you not doing it? Do you really want another year of people shitting down your throat for your mediocre creations?
You obviously know the basics of the program you're using so right now is best time to get cracking to learn and train on getting better.

Azarion said:
I completely agree. :)

Otherwise, it's the pot calling the kettle black, people need to simply blacklist the very topic I post, or if they say something negative, say it once and don't spam my works with it :D ;)

NotMeNotYou said:
Animations are a lot harder since you need to make sure that ~20 frames per second look good. It's also easier for the human eye to see flaws like unnatural body positions when they are in motion, making it harder to make it look good.

Why are you so hellbent on waiting? You know what the issue is, you know what the obvious solution is. Why are you not doing it? Do you really want another year of people shitting down your throat for your mediocre creations?
You obviously know the basics of the program you're using so right now is best time to get cracking to learn and train on getting better.

Funnily enough, if we search SFM, https://e621.net/post/index/1/sfm shows about 1,580 result. But if we look closely, we can see that most, if not all of those models are not made from scratch. After some searching, a few examples below:

This https://e621.net/post/show/696810/2015-3d-animal_genitalia-anthro-anthrofied-balls-b

This https://e621.net/post/show/679877/16-9-3d-absurd_res-anthro-anus-areola-bed-breasts-

And this https://e621.net/post/show/671374/3d-anthro-bed-bedroom-breasts-canine-cgi-digital_m

It looks like it's a matter of HOW they're being used rather than WHAT is being used. That's all I'm trying to figure out :3

fox_whisper85 said:

It looks like it's a matter of HOW they're being used rather than WHAT is being used. That's all I'm trying to figure out :3

post #678212

Of cource, sometimes WHAT is being used is also counted.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
post #678212

Of cource, sometimes WHAT is being used is also counted.

Oh GOSH, my EYES O_O

Yeah, I'll be careful what I use too, but it's definitely a balance between what I use and how I use it :D