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cinder and frost (cinderfrost) created by demicoeur
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Cinderfrost Pg. #42

Thus concludes chapter 1! To be continued in Chapter 2 (which I've finished 7 pages for :D). I'd like to add some pages and scenes later on if I can. While the original comic was planned at only 30 pages, it gradually started getting more elaborate as I made it and even then I feel like parts are rushed and I'd like to pace them out a bit more. We'll see if I have time between making chapter 2 ;P

If you'd like to get ahead, you can read up to page 6 of chapter 2 already on my Patreon :) I've switched over to pay up front so that when people pledge they can get access to all previous content, which I'm uploading day-to-day. Also been sneaking some of my patron's characters into the comic backgrounds, which has been fun!

You can also get a printed copy of Chapter 1 through FurPlanet, if you enjoy a physical copy of your comics ;)

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  • Yayy!! Now I just pity the next virgin the Jerkycorn bothers... but on the other hand I would be cranky if only virgins could interact with me.

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  • There's a few reasons. The author had originally made the characters as "buy a fursona" toons, which he'd auction off, but turned around and said he had plans for them, which was this comic. The comic itself got about to where they remet Ciel, then he soft-paywalled it, then took a 2ish year break from it despite getting the money for it.

    As for plot and stuff reasons, Ciel and Cinder are both jerks for basically no reason. Ciel had a good thing with Frost, which he, himself, wrecked by having sex with him without warning him of the consequences first. Platonic love is still love, Uni-boy. Cinder, on the other hand, has a bitchy argument with his best friend, which results in him being cursed with fire powers, so he pushes everyone away by... becoming the biggest bully in school for some reason? What? That's not how you keep a low profile, Cinder. Then he learns that Frost has the same secret, so he just as abruptly decides they're gonna be best friends now, and immediately after learning about Ciel goes into jealous stalker territory. Frost, for his part, immediately gets over his jerk ex who was probably almost certainly trying to fuck his bully-turned-best-friend, and suddenly it's true love as soon as he learns Cinder had any feelings for him whatsoever... it gets pretty soap opera-y.

    Now, before you say "but it's porn!", I get it. It's a cheesy love story, but people are spoiled by expecting their fiction to more closely follow the rules of real life nowadays, so you get some haters coming in from that angle.

    Last bit: the magic stigma powers were basically a chekov's gun that's never fired. Aside from setting up Cinder and Frost to be moody rivals-cum-lovers for the central plot of the story to work, the fact that the two of them are actual, real life X-Men in their own world has zero impact on the plot, story or their attitudes. They're a handy "Oh, I'm so cursed" at the beginning, then they're dropped and ignored entirely once they've served their narrative purpose. That's just bad writing any way you slice it, an element like superpowers should be central to a story or not included. You can explain away fancy tattoos and brooding teenhood with things that don't seem like a massive gaping wound in your worldbuilding when they're glossed over afterwards.

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  • KipAfiras said:
    There's a few reasons. The author had originally made the characters as "buy a fursona" toons, which he'd auction off, but turned around and said he had plans for them, which was this comic. The comic itself got about to where they remet Ciel, then he soft-paywalled it, then took a 2ish year break from it despite getting the money for it.

    As for plot and stuff reasons, Ciel and Cinder are both jerks for basically no reason. Ciel had a good thing with Frost, which he, himself, wrecked by having sex with him without warning him of the consequences first. Platonic love is still love, Uni-boy. Cinder, on the other hand, has a bitchy argument with his best friend, which results in him being cursed with fire powers, so he pushes everyone away by... becoming the biggest bully in school for some reason? What? That's not how you keep a low profile, Cinder. Then he learns that Frost has the same secret, so he just as abruptly decides they're gonna be best friends now, and immediately after learning about Ciel goes into jealous stalker territory. Frost, for his part, immediately gets over his jerk ex who was probably almost certainly trying to fuck his bully-turned-best-friend, and suddenly it's true love as soon as he learns Cinder had any feelings for him whatsoever... it gets pretty soap opera-y.

    Now, before you say "but it's porn!", I get it. It's a cheesy love story, but people are spoiled by expecting their fiction to more closely follow the rules of real life nowadays, so you get some haters coming in from that angle.

    Last bit: the magic stigma powers were basically a chekov's gun that's never fired. Aside from setting up Cinder and Frost to be moody rivals-cum-lovers for the central plot of the story to work, the fact that the two of them are actual, real life X-Men in their own world has zero impact on the plot, story or their attitudes. They're a handy "Oh, I'm so cursed" at the beginning, then they're dropped and ignored entirely once they've served their narrative purpose. That's just bad writing any way you slice it, an element like superpowers should be central to a story or not included. You can explain away fancy tattoos and brooding teenhood with things that don't seem like a massive gaping wound in your worldbuilding when they're glossed over afterwards.

    Ok

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  • KipAfiras said:
    There's a few reasons. The author had originally made the characters as "buy a fursona" toons, which he'd auction off, but turned around and said he had plans for them, which was this comic. The comic itself got about to where they remet Ciel, then he soft-paywalled it, then took a 2ish year break from it despite getting the money for it.

    As for plot and stuff reasons, Ciel and Cinder are both jerks for basically no reason. Ciel had a good thing with Frost, which he, himself, wrecked by having sex with him without warning him of the consequences first. Platonic love is still love, Uni-boy. Cinder, on the other hand, has a bitchy argument with his best friend, which results in him being cursed with fire powers, so he pushes everyone away by... becoming the biggest bully in school for some reason? What? That's not how you keep a low profile, Cinder. Then he learns that Frost has the same secret, so he just as abruptly decides they're gonna be best friends now, and immediately after learning about Ciel goes into jealous stalker territory. Frost, for his part, immediately gets over his jerk ex who was probably almost certainly trying to fuck his bully-turned-best-friend, and suddenly it's true love as soon as he learns Cinder had any feelings for him whatsoever... it gets pretty soap opera-y.

    Now, before you say "but it's porn!", I get it. It's a cheesy love story, but people are spoiled by expecting their fiction to more closely follow the rules of real life nowadays, so you get some haters coming in from that angle.

    Last bit: the magic stigma powers were basically a chekov's gun that's never fired. Aside from setting up Cinder and Frost to be moody rivals-cum-lovers for the central plot of the story to work, the fact that the two of them are actual, real life X-Men in their own world has zero impact on the plot, story or their attitudes. They're a handy "Oh, I'm so cursed" at the beginning, then they're dropped and ignored entirely once they've served their narrative purpose. That's just bad writing any way you slice it, an element like superpowers should be central to a story or not included. You can explain away fancy tattoos and brooding teenhood with things that don't seem like a massive gaping wound in your worldbuilding when they're glossed over afterwards.

    damn, that's really accurate lmao
    that basically sums up all my feelings for this comic, i always felt like it was in the genre of those cheesy teenage romance flicks

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  • KipAfiras said:

    Last bit: the magic stigma powers were basically a chekov's gun that's never fired. Aside from setting up Cinder and Frost to be moody rivals-cum-lovers for the central plot of the story to work, the fact that the two of them are actual, real life X-Men in their own world has zero impact on the plot, story or their attitudes.

    The term you're looking for is MacGuffin:
    a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or maguffin) is a plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or other motivator that the protagonist pursues, often with little or no narrative explanation. The specific nature of a MacGuffin is typically unimportant to the overall plot.

    In this case, Frost first pursues the person who knows he's Helltouched, and the plot progresses.

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  • I think this is really cute! Sure, it may not be Grade-A literature, but as gay furry yiff comics generally go, it's great! I find the couple adorable! <3

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  • KipAfiras said:
    There's a few reasons. The author had originally made the characters as "buy a fursona" toons, which he'd auction off, but turned around and said he had plans for them, which was this comic. The comic itself got about to where they remet Ciel, then he soft-paywalled it, then took a 2ish year break from it despite getting the money for it.

    As for plot and stuff reasons, Ciel and Cinder are both jerks for basically no reason. Ciel had a good thing with Frost, which he, himself, wrecked by having sex with him without warning him of the consequences first. Platonic love is still love, Uni-boy. Cinder, on the other hand, has a bitchy argument with his best friend, which results in him being cursed with fire powers, so he pushes everyone away by... becoming the biggest bully in school for some reason? What? That's not how you keep a low profile, Cinder. Then he learns that Frost has the same secret, so he just as abruptly decides they're gonna be best friends now, and immediately after learning about Ciel goes into jealous stalker territory. Frost, for his part, immediately gets over his jerk ex who was probably almost certainly trying to fuck his bully-turned-best-friend, and suddenly it's true love as soon as he learns Cinder had any feelings for him whatsoever... it gets pretty soap opera-y.

    Now, before you say "but it's porn!", I get it. It's a cheesy love story, but people are spoiled by expecting their fiction to more closely follow the rules of real life nowadays, so you get some haters coming in from that angle.

    Last bit: the magic stigma powers were basically a chekov's gun that's never fired. Aside from setting up Cinder and Frost to be moody rivals-cum-lovers for the central plot of the story to work, the fact that the two of them are actual, real life X-Men in their own world has zero impact on the plot, story or their attitudes. They're a handy "Oh, I'm so cursed" at the beginning, then they're dropped and ignored entirely once they've served their narrative purpose. That's just bad writing any way you slice it, an element like superpowers should be central to a story or not included. You can explain away fancy tattoos and brooding teenhood with things that don't seem like a massive gaping wound in your worldbuilding when they're glossed over afterwards.

    If I had died, come back to life as something any "normal" person would shun and kill or beat, I too would all the sudden become an asshole. Also... you're thinking of MacGuffin. It's an actual plot device... and one that is used very effectively here, people who do not know how actual story-writing works don't see this and just automatically think it's terrible story writing or cheesy plot writing. When it's actually a type of plot structure.

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  • kipafiras said:
    There's a few reasons. The author had originally made the characters as "buy a fursona" toons, which he'd auction off, but turned around and said he had plans for them, which was this comic. The comic itself got about to where they remet Ciel, then he soft-paywalled it, then took a 2ish year break from it despite getting the money for it.

    As for plot and stuff reasons, Ciel and Cinder are both jerks for basically no reason. Ciel had a good thing with Frost, which he, himself, wrecked by having sex with him without warning him of the consequences first. Platonic love is still love, Uni-boy. Cinder, on the other hand, has a bitchy argument with his best friend, which results in him being cursed with fire powers, so he pushes everyone away by... becoming the biggest bully in school for some reason? What? That's not how you keep a low profile, Cinder. Then he learns that Frost has the same secret, so he just as abruptly decides they're gonna be best friends now, and immediately after learning about Ciel goes into jealous stalker territory. Frost, for his part, immediately gets over his jerk ex who was probably almost certainly trying to fuck his bully-turned-best-friend, and suddenly it's true love as soon as he learns Cinder had any feelings for him whatsoever... it gets pretty soap opera-y.

    Now, before you say "but it's porn!", I get it. It's a cheesy love story, but people are spoiled by expecting their fiction to more closely follow the rules of real life nowadays, so you get some haters coming in from that angle.

    Last bit: the magic stigma powers were basically a chekov's gun that's never fired. Aside from setting up Cinder and Frost to be moody rivals-cum-lovers for the central plot of the story to work, the fact that the two of them are actual, real life X-Men in their own world has zero impact on the plot, story or their attitudes. They're a handy "Oh, I'm so cursed" at the beginning, then they're dropped and ignored entirely once they've served their narrative purpose. That's just bad writing any way you slice it, an element like superpowers should be central to a story or not included. You can explain away fancy tattoos and brooding teenhood with things that don't seem like a massive gaping wound in your worldbuilding when they're glossed over afterwards.

    That is honestly a terrible summary of the story. First electricity isn't fire, Cinder has electricity powers. Second cinder gained his power before the fight, which he basically faked out of concern for his friend's safety, which resulted in Frost getting ice powers. Side note, ice is an insulator, so he literally gained powers to control his friend's.

    Third, Ciel, like Cinder, pretends to be a jerk, so that Frost will want to forget him and live happier with less regrets. Cinder realizes this and seeing that he basically did the same thing, figures it's the wrong way to go about things and says what Ciel actually means. Fourth, yes the powers are ignored, because they don't want to bring attention to them, at risk of being attacked.

    Lastly, whining about paywalls is incredibly immature. People deserve compensation for their efforts, that's what is fair. It is a kindness that something this well drawn is eventually made free. Or do you go to an art museum and complain that you have to pay for the privilege of seeing the art there?

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  • runic said:
    Those guys are just so... hnng.. <3

    So much love to make, if they both didn't have such short virgin fuses.....

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