Can't wait the next panel, love the art It's very hot, keep the good work!

Gotta love them PLAPs!

Whenever I see Nick in one of these kind of pictures the Simpsons electric car meme comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcmZ1dof3Qw

It basically sums up what they do with the character. Though calling it "character" may be a bit too generous. You could replace him with a cardboard cutout and nobody would tell the difference.

grenout said:
Whenever I see Nick in one of these kind of pictures the Simpsons electric car meme comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcmZ1dof3Qw

It basically sums up what they do with the character. Though calling it "character" may be a bit too generous. You could replace him with a cardboard cutout and nobody would tell the difference.

I don't understand why artist have to take trademarked characters and then change their personalities around so much they become little more than a hollow husk of their canon selves.

Just OC that stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

alexandermugetsu said:
I don't understand why artist have to take trademarked characters and then change their personalities around so much they become little more than a hollow husk of their canon selves.

Just OC that stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

It's called P O R N 90% of rule34 porn has characters acting out of character for the sake of lewdness and kinks

alexandermugetsu said:
I don't understand why artist have to take trademarked characters and then change their personalities around so much they become little more than a hollow husk of their canon selves.

Just OC that stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

So you are telling me that you don't understand porn.

alexandermugetsu said:
I don't understand why artist have to take trademarked characters and then change their personalities around so much they become little more than a hollow husk of their canon selves.

Just OC that stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

I kinda agree, the artist just delivered an enticingly hot cuckold scene in panel one containing just OCs.

For me, the "let's cuckold Nick and Judy" theme has been done so, so many times before that it really isn't interesting anymore. Heck amadose has already told this story once with "Bun in the Oven".

Yes, we get to see some new artwork and a slightly different alpha male but there are only so many ways to spin this fetish and all of them end up watering down or destroying the chemistry between Nick and Judy in some way.

So the story basically ends up with a puppet looking like Judy getting screwed while a puppet looking like Nick watches.

rva98014 said:
I kinda agree, the artist just delivered an enticingly hot cuckold scene in panel one containing just OCs.

For me, the "let's cuckold Nick and Judy" theme has been done so, so many times before that it really isn't interesting anymore. Heck amadose has already told this story once with "Bun in the Oven".

Yes, we get to see some new artwork and a slightly different alpha male but there are only so many ways to spin this fetish and all of them end up watering down or destroying the chemistry between Nick and Judy in some way.

So the story basically ends up with a puppet looking like Judy getting screwed while a puppet looking like Nick watches.

It makes me happy to see you are agreeing with me.

rva98014 said:
I kinda agree, the artist just delivered an enticingly hot cuckold scene in panel one containing just OCs.

For me, the "let's cuckold Nick and Judy" theme has been done so, so many times before that it really isn't interesting anymore. Heck amadose has already told this story once with "Bun in the Oven".

Yes, we get to see some new artwork and a slightly different alpha male but there are only so many ways to spin this fetish and all of them end up watering down or destroying the chemistry between Nick and Judy in some way.

So the story basically ends up with a puppet looking like Judy getting screwed while a puppet looking like Nick watches.

The biggest difference is the OC's in the top pic. Everyone is obviously is enjoying themselves. Nick in almost every scene looks like he is just dragged into this or on the cusp of tears. I think this would get a lot better reception if Amadose did the comic a lot more like https://e621.net/posts/699089?pool_id=5243 this comic. Besides the obvious out of character problems that come with porn, the writing in Amadose's comic just screams abusive from Judy. And I think that just brings back memories of Borba for a lot of people.

renobunny said:
Besides the obvious out of character problems that come with porn, the writing in Amadose's comic just screams abusive from Judy. And I think that just brings back memories of Borba for a lot of people.

I get tired of responses that say "it's just porn", implying that you have no reason to expect there to be a good story. Yes there is some porn that is nothing more than "pole in the hole" and isn't supposed to be anything more.

But there are many examples of good porn out there that shows Nick and Judy in NSFW situations but the artist still manages to keep the essence of Nick and Judy's character intact. For example robcivecat, akiric, dr boody, and even Mr. Mead have all done great porn like this.

Heck TGWeaver even did a great comic called "The Predator-Prey Film" (post #1990395) that looked like it was going to go into a dark place. I mean "Silence of the Lambs" dark. Then it pulled out a great twist that also kept the chemistry between Nick and Judy intact.

rva98014 said:
I get tired of responses that say "it's just porn", implying that you have no reason to expect there to be a good story. Yes there is some porn that is nothing more than "pole in the hole" and isn't supposed to be anything more.

But there are many examples of good porn out there that shows Nick and Judy in NSFW situations but the artist still manages to keep the essence of Nick and Judy's character intact. For example robcivecat, akiric, dr boody, and even Mr. Mead have all done great porn like this.

Heck TGWeaver even did a great comic called "The Predator-Prey Film" (post #1990395) that looked like it was going to go into a dark place. I mean "Silence of the Lambs" dark. Then it pulled out a great twist that also kept the chemistry between Nick and Judy intact.

I see that "defense" all the time when talking about this comic in particular. If this was just a porn comic, it wouldn't be on its 4th part. Amadose is trying to tell a story here, badly writing for a Cuck comic he's made it much more NTR/Abusive, but still trying to tell something. So no in this case it is not just porn. When you write a story and it begins with someone cheating on their husband for months, it sets a tone for the rest of what you write. That that person is untrustworthy, the exact opposite I think he is going for here. If Amadose wanted to cuck Nick, which is honestly just boring at this point its so overdone, why not keep the confident, wisecracking, slick fox that we know just have a submissive streak in him?

Edit:

Just wanted to add I love Weaver's comic. He did that absolutely fantastic.

Loving this comic

Imagine downvoting someone into oblivion because they claimed they liked a piece of subjective art.

What the hell is this comment section...?

That fox is an absolute stud.~

Holy hell, these comments. Sure, its a stereotypical nick and Judy comic. . and its probably going to be very similar to amadoses other cuck comic but its really not even that bad of writing. And these downvotes, like imagine downvoting every comment because you don't like the kink. Cmon.

imaturtle said:
Holy hell, these comments. Sure, its a stereotypical nick and Judy comic. . and its probably going to be very similar to amadoses other cuck comic but its really not even that bad of writing. And these downvotes, like imagine downvoting every comment because you don't like the kink. Cmon.

It's no different than what happened to alexandermugetsu's post initially.

Their entire post was downvoted off the board for awhile simply because they expressed a personal opinion about the story and there were those who felt it was a waste of time to criticise porn.

I can understand hating cuckolding, it's a very amoral fetish that abandons a couple's commitments and loyalties for the sake of a sexual thrill. I can understand getting annoyed that characters you adore are behaving so far out of character.

What I don't understand is why isn't all cucking art of pre-existing characters getting the same treatment? What's special about Nick and Judy?

There HAS to be more to it than just "it's out of character." There's probably hundreds of other copyrighted characters in cucking scenes, but none of them get this reaction. It's no less out of character when Shining Armor puts on a dress and watches Cadance get railed by a zebra stud, but I've never seen a single pic instigate fights like this. Why is this the only cucking pair that ever gets downvote blasted for being out of character? If it were a generally loathed fetish (like gore or cannibalism) that would at least make some sense, but it's JUST Nick and Judy that get some people riled up like this.

... Just... open question to anyone doing this, asked with total sincerity and open mindedness as a person who just wants to understand: Why do you single out these two? What's special about Nick and Judy that makes you this pissed off, and why doesn't other out of character, cuckold themed fanart bother you? Despite looking at every single new cucking pic that gets posted, I've literally never seen a single other piece get hated on purely for being out of character, let alone this much hate. There has to be more to it.

It's not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings or challenge anyone's motives, I just want to finally know why Nick and Judy are the sacred cows of cucking porn. ._.;

killah_zillah said:
I can understand hating cuckolding, it's a very amoral fetish that abandons a couple's commitments and loyalties for the sake of a sexual thrill. I can understand getting annoyed that characters you adore are behaving so far out of character.

What I don't understand is why isn't all cucking art of pre-existing characters getting the same treatment? What's special about Nick and Judy?

There HAS to be more to it than just "it's out of character." There's probably hundreds of other copyrighted characters in cucking scenes, but none of them get this reaction. It's no less out of character when Shining Armor puts on a dress and watches Cadance get railed by a zebra stud, but I've never seen a single pic instigate fights like this. Why is this the only cucking pair that ever gets downvote blasted for being out of character? If it were a generally loathed fetish (like gore or cannibalism) that would at least make some sense, but it's JUST Nick and Judy that get some people riled up like this.

... Just... open question to anyone doing this, asked with total sincerity and open mindedness as a person who just wants to understand: Why do you single out these two? What's special about Nick and Judy that makes you this pissed off, and why doesn't other out of character, cuckold themed fanart bother you? Despite looking at every single new cucking pic that gets posted, I've literally never seen a single other piece get hated on purely for being out of character, let alone this much hate. There has to be more to it.

It's not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings or challenge anyone's motives, I just want to finally know why Nick and Judy are the sacred cows of cucking porn. ._.;

I think I know what your talking about. And I see it too, most of the hate comes at Judy and Nick cuckold content. But in most of the other pre-existing character pieces, almost all parties are enjoying it in some ways. Most of the shining armor cuck pieces, he is obviously enjoying it, being the Bull, or involved in some way. Very few show him miserable like the majority of Nick cuck pieces.

Also the amount of art depicting Nick as a cuck is simply aimed at trolling or at the expense of people who ship them together. Such as Marthasays/Albinefox. One of whom has specifically stated to enjoy making such art to troll people, getting commissioned to draw it is just a perk. The intent of cuck art with Judy and Nick has been set in a lot of peoples minds as nothing but an attack. An easy thing to correlate with Cuckolding, which by "normal" standards is a rough kink to begin with. Exacerbated by how almost every single piece of cuck art out there never shows the aftermath, the aftercare, or just no follow up in case of comics. So with characters people love and have attachments to I can see why so many getting riled up over such pieces.

Edit:

I honestly don't hate this fetish, I had to do some reading on it to really understand it and can see how it could really improve the sex life of the couple after the fact. But it certainly isn't a fetish for everyone, and certainly isn't something suited for a 24/7 lifestyle. But I do see how and why some would enjoy the aspect of being a bull, cuckold, and cuckoldess(?), even if it certainly isn't for me.

sexygriffon said:
What the hell is this comment section...?

A lot of people who agree on a concept

that fox truley did explain it well

killah_zillah said:
It's not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings or challenge anyone's motives, I just want to finally know why Nick and Judy are the sacred cows of cucking porn. ._.;

My understanding of the cuckold fantasy is that the beta male derives sexual satisfaction from being the submissive participant. They are devalued and expected to watch (or know) that their partner is willingly being sexually satisfied by an alpha male that's bigger and better than them. The female is taking satisfaction from being serviced by the bull all the while watching (or knowing) that their relationship partner is being emasculated and belittled by her actions.

Now consider the aspects of the source material that has caused Nick and Judy to become beloved by their fandom. Both have had traumatic childhood experiences that had a major impact on their adult lives. They started out as adversaries, then grudging partners, then friends, then Judy blows it and destroys the friendship, then gives a sincere, heart-felt apology to rebuild it, they finish their adventure watching each other's backs, Nick refuses to abandon her at the museum and they end the film as best friends and work partners.

The cuckold fetish doesn't really harmonize with the characters. Given how traumatized Nick was at his experience with the Junior Ranger Scouts it seems odd that he would willingly seek to duplicate this experience on a regular basis. (Yes, yes, I know that fetishes have a complex manifestation in the human psyche such that people will sometimes obtain sexual enjoyment from emotional pain but go with me here.)

Then we have Judy who was heartbroken at the thought of the pain she caused Nick and the feeling that she may have permanently destroyed her friendship with him. But now she's routinely cuckolding Nick, deliberately devaluing him and saying your feelings don't matter to me... suffer little fox.

I hope you can see how incongruent the cuckold fetish is to the core aspects that endear Nick and Judy to their fandom.

The simple truth is while an artist can take any character and put them into their fetish/kink webcomic, some characters are just a better fit for the fetish/kink than others. When the incongruence between fetish/kink and characters is solid enough, the characters become little more than puppets that the artist uses to say/do what needs to be said/done to service the fetish/kink.

To those that are just here for the fetish/kink, they don't care and just enjoy the porn. To those that are fans of the characters, it's pretty unpleasant to watch.

renobunny said:
Most of the shining armor cuck pieces, he is obviously enjoying it, being the Bull, or involved in some way. Very few show him miserable like the majority of Nick cuck pieces.

rva98014 said:
To those that are just here for the fetish/kink, they don't care and just enjoy the porn. To those that are fans of the characters, it's pretty unpleasant to watch.

Thank you both for taking the time to write these out, I really appreciate your time and it was really nice of you to try and explain things..! Yet.. this doesn't explain why it's *just* these two. It's not that I want to know what's offensive about it, that's too subjective to be questioning. I only want to know what makes these two more important compared to any other fictional couple. Lots of characters go through hard times in their relationships, why aren't they getting the same kinds of people defending them? I highly doubt that Cadance - the princess representing everlasting love - would deliberately cheat on Shining Armor just for the sexual rush of breaking his heart, yet even when he's obviously hurt over it, nobody has ever complained about the pic being out of character. Really, nobody. I use an RSS feed that automatically checks every post with this tag and nobody has ever started a fight about that out of character cucking. Copyrighted characters are put in logically uncanon situations all the time in porn and nobody's ever complained about it for JUST that reason, so why are Nick and Judy getting singled out over *literally* any other fictional couple? It'd make sense if this were a more common thing. If this happened on other cucking pictures of existing couples who logically wouldn't be into it, that'd make sense, but no - it's JUST Nick and Judy! And they aren't even a couple!! (unless there was a Zootopia 2 that I'm ignorant about? o__0;)

I'm really not questioning why someone would have a problem with it, it's not for me to say if someone's right or wrong about something so personal or subjective. There's nothing wrong with getting attached to fictional characters and I'd be kind of an asshole to tell anyone not to feel this way. I mean, Hell, if we were to start getting into the topic of out of character behavior ITSELF we'd be here all day! I doubt Bic Mac would have sex with his sisters, but that's an extremely common thing. I doubt Sonic the Hedgehog would ever get sadistically cucked by Tails with Sally Acorn, but that happens too (and nobody's ever complained about it). That's not me arguing against people getting mad, my point is that, if we tried arguing the logic behind getting mad at this, we'd be here all day pointing out one inconsistency after another. I just want to understand why it's only Nick and Judy who get this treatment, and nobody else. I'm sure the same people who're offended by this would also get offended on behalf of the other fictional characters, so why am I not seeing them appearing on other characters comments sections? Why isn't any other cucking picture (or even any other extreme fetish picture of existing characters) getting anyone mad about it being out of character?

My question isn't "why are people mad about these two," but rather "why are people ONLY mad about these two?"

(please, nobody take my question as an invitation to start fights on other pictures, I only want to know why it's *just* these two that get people fighting)

killah_zillah said:
Thank you both for taking the time to write these out, I really appreciate your time and it was really nice of you to try and explain things..! Yet.. this doesn't explain why it's *just* these two. It's not that I want to know what's offensive about it, that's too subjective to be questioning. I only want to know what makes these two more important compared to any other fictional couple. Lots of characters go through hard times in their relationships, why aren't they getting the same kinds of people defending them? I highly doubt that Cadance - the princess representing everlasting love - would deliberately cheat on Shining Armor just for the sexual rush of breaking his heart, yet even when he's obviously hurt over it, nobody has ever complained about the pic being out of character. Really, nobody. I use an RSS feed that automatically checks every post with this tag and nobody has ever started a fight about that out of character cucking. Copyrighted characters are put in logically uncanon situations all the time in porn and nobody's ever complained about it for JUST that reason, so why are Nick and Judy getting singled out over *literally* any other fictional couple? It'd make sense if this were a more common thing. If this happened on other cucking pictures of existing couples who logically wouldn't be into it, that'd make sense, but no - it's JUST Nick and Judy! And they aren't even a couple!! (unless there was a Zootopia 2 that I'm ignorant about? o__0;)

I'm really not questioning why someone would have a problem with it, it's not for me to say if someone's right or wrong about something so personal or subjective. There's nothing wrong with getting attached to fictional characters and I'd be kind of an asshole to tell anyone not to feel this way. I mean, Hell, if we were to start getting into the topic of out of character behavior ITSELF we'd be here all day! I doubt Bic Mac would have sex with his sisters, but that's an extremely common thing. I doubt Sonic the Hedgehog would ever get sadistically cucked by Tails with Sally Acorn, but that happens too (and nobody's ever complained about it). That's not me arguing against people getting mad, my point is that, if we tried arguing the logic behind getting mad at this, we'd be here all day pointing out one inconsistency after another. I just want to understand why it's only Nick and Judy who get this treatment, and nobody else. I'm sure the same people who're offended by this would also get offended on behalf of the other fictional characters, so why am I not seeing them appearing on other characters comments sections? Why isn't any other cucking picture (or even any other extreme fetish picture of existing characters) getting anyone mad about it being out of character?

My question isn't "why are people mad about these two," but rather "why are people ONLY mad about these two?"

(please, nobody take my question as an invitation to start fights on other pictures, I only want to know why it's *just* these two that get people fighting)

So only really now is it "just" Judy and Nick. Remember way back with the Fall of Equestria stuff. Plenty of out there kinks with that, including cuckolding. So many people raged, I would argue, more so than with Judy and Nick. So much so that they created a whole anti-fall of equestria subpage of that fanfiction site. And then it just ended, I think, I honestly haven't looked at that fimfiction site in so many years. But like most things, time just sort of dulls the edge of anything trying to scratch or cut. And people either no longer care cause it has happened so much that they just ignore it or no longer feel the old sting they use to.

Now with Cadance, I honestly see her having a lot of kinks. True Cuckolding as a kink can be a part of a loving, healthy relationship, improving the sex life of the couple afterwards and strengthening their relationship once the scene is over with the bull. We just rarely, very very rarely, ever see it on this site in single images or in full comics. But also, they are an official couple. Judy and Nick are ambiguous, with (I want to say) slight majority, of people wanting to see them become a couple. So that could dull any rage, or offense that some could take towards Cadance and Shining in cucking content.

Also, remember, a few people are using cuckold to target and troll the fans of zootopia, targeting wildehopps shippers specifically. Blacklisting helps just ignoring these types of people. But when it gets stuck in peoples heads, and usually the first interaction with this particular kind of kink. Any future content of said kink can have even more of a negative light than it already gets due to the "amoral" nature of cuckolding.

And then there are those who just can't help but keep trolling, even if there are genuine criticism to be had with the art, story, ect. Some right here in this thread, where you know, you are suppose to discuss the piece. I think they really exacerbate things to a whole other level when using the "it's just porn" or "just blacklist" excuses, as well as just outright insults, to genuine criticism to the story of the comics. I myself hate where this comic is going, but I love their art style, and if I can help it, I really don't want another Borba situation. So I give my criticism and opinion on what is happening and where the comics seems to be going, hoping it might effect things for the better. Never saying he should stop the cuckolding in the comic, its his and he should always get to make what he wants, just hoping to temper some of it back to a healthy kink and relationship that he seems to want to make.

I honestly think in a year or two, it'll be like the Fall of Equestria stuff, mostly ignored and forgotten about by the majority of zootopia fans and wildehopps shippers.

It's porn. Who cares, just jerk off or leave holy shit.

alexandermugetsu said:
I don't understand why artist have to take trademarked characters and then change their personalities around so much they become little more than a hollow husk of their canon selves.

Just OC that stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

I'd chalk it up to two things.

1) While the movies do give them a fairly concrete layer on their personality, it's perfectly fine to stray away from that and do something different where fan-work is concerned. Someone could make a comic where her personality is completely and utterly backwards from her movie one, and hey? That's totally fine. There's no rule saying they can't deviate. Obviously some people prefer when it doesn't deviate, but not everybody. I like seeing new takes on established characters, myself.

2) I imagine there are also folks who enjoy deliberately playing on these preconceived personalities specifically because of how the fanbase responds to it. (In other words, drastically changing character personalities to see fans get upset about it not being faithful, for example making Judy eager to cheat on Nick and not like him.) That said, I don't think that's what's going on here at all, considering how up-front and reasonable the artist here has been in explaining what this comic will be and encouraging those who dislike cuck themes to not read it if they know it will upset them. (I wish they would, but the downvoting brigades sure do imply otherwise.)

qwazzy said:
I'd chalk it up to two things.

1) While the movies do give them a fairly concrete layer on their personality, it's perfectly fine to stray away from that and do something different where fan-work is concerned. Someone could make a comic where her personality is completely and utterly backwards from her movie one, and hey? That's totally fine. There's no rule saying they can't deviate. Obviously some people prefer when it doesn't deviate, but not everybody. I like seeing new takes on established characters, myself.

2) I imagine there are also folks who enjoy deliberately playing on these preconceived personalities specifically because of how the fanbase responds to it. (In other words, drastically changing character personalities to see fans get upset about it not being faithful, for example making Judy eager to cheat on Nick and not like him.) That said, I don't think that's what's going on here at all, considering how up-front and reasonable the artist here has been in explaining what this comic will be and encouraging those who dislike cuck themes to not read it if they know it will upset them. (I wish they would, but the downvoting brigades sure do imply otherwise.)

Except most of the comments here are not against cucking as a kink itself, of course some are which I completely understand, you get that with almost any extreme fetish. But most comments, mine included, are at the story itself and how Amadose wants to do both, be OOC and in cannon. That just doesn't work at all in porn or otherwise. I can really enjoy AU's and focusing on different aspects of Judy and Nick, but when the artists/author wants to do both, it muddies everything and is just forced.

People can downvote as they please, it doesn't take the art down from the page for others, and for a few people specifically, Albinefox and Marthasays/Ilovejudyhopps, I think its more for the actions of the "artists" themselves than their art. Just as you have every right to upvote as you please, so do others to downvote as they see fit.

I'm liking where this is going! :3

This fox, has explained the love of cuck so well, holy shit

Guys it's just fetish porn
Their relationship doesn't exist, you don't need to fix it, no more essays, please