I like what this comic is doing: actually showing some of the thought process and how a HEALTHY relationship with cuck involved can be made.

I just hope it continues to hold true to that and Nick doesn't get sidelined for the sake of sidelining. As in, actual attention so he's enjoying himself too.

yugijak said:
I like what this comic is doing: actually showing some of the thought process and how a HEALTHY relationship with cuck involved can be made.

I just hope it continues to hold true to that and Nick doesn't get sidelined for the sake of sidelining. As in, actual attention so he's enjoying himself too.

Ditto here. I don’t usually go for this kind of stuff, but I’ve really been enjoying this with how they’re all working it out, you know?

yugijak said:
I like what this comic is doing: actually showing some of the thought process and how a HEALTHY relationship with cuck involved can be made.

I just hope it continues to hold true to that and Nick doesn't get sidelined for the sake of sidelining. As in, actual attention so he's enjoying himself too.

Past moments have shown that, indeed, this isn't how a healthy relationship should actually be.

yugijak said:
I like what this comic is doing: actually showing some of the thought process and how a HEALTHY relationship with cuck involved can be made.

I just hope it continues to hold true to that and Nick doesn't get sidelined for the sake of sidelining. As in, actual attention so he's enjoying himself too.

It's pretending that cucking is healthy. This isn't proof of anything.

seeking said:
It's pretending that cucking is healthy. This isn't proof of anything.

"Cucking is literally the devil and is never good no matter how it's depicted" whine whine whine...

Edit: Hahaha, the anti-cuck squad is here, downvoting people for just saying they enjoy the comic. I wear the downvotes with pride at this point 'cus y'all are seriously trippin'...

seeking said:
It's pretending that cucking is healthy. This isn't proof of anything.

I mean, just because it isn't prescribed for most relationships doesn't mean it can't be healthy for some. Plenty of polyamrous relationships can go on to lead happy lives together, you just have to have rules when you go about it that you should assume the couple agreed on. Cuckolding is fine, cheating is not, and remember it's only cheating if you break the rules.

Anyway, nobody's forcing it on you, so don't kinkshame, please. We're all here to have fun.

At the end of the day, this is still just a comic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

sexygriffon said:
"Cucking is literally the devil and is never good no matter how it's depicted" whine whine whine...

Edit: Hahaha, the anti-cuck squad is here, downvoting people for just saying they enjoy the comic. I wear the downvotes with pride at this point 'cus y'all are seriously trippin'...

My upvotes can't do anything about mass downvoting because you're not allowed to like the fetish, tbh so it's kinda futile. :/ But speaking as someone who's very familiar with having unpopular opinions it's unfortunately to be expected.
I don't even like the fetish, heck I don't care for WildHopps in the grand scheme, I just like the attempt at communication, which is something 99% of cuck comics deliberately leave out, so this one for once is fine to me and I can tolerate it.

"Kinkshaming" is not automatically a bad thing, but like everything, context matters; you can't just say "X fetish is bad" as a blanket statement (with a few exceptions, like having a rape fetish and carrying it out instead of leaving it to fantasy).

Disclaimer: this post is solely about acting out a cuckolding fetish from the perspective of the cuckolded male in a situation such as the one in this story, because fetishes and psychology are already complex enough without considering the distinction between fantasy-only fetishes and acted-out fetishes, and there are completely separate discussions about the fetish from the perspectives of the person being cuckolded over, and the person doing the cuckolding (both of which I am less familiar with).

Like all fetishes that do not purposefully result in harm to someone, being a cuckold has the potential for being a neutral or good thing. However, one's sexual behavior is linked to your non-sexual self, so if the reason why one has a fetish is unhealthy, this makes the fetish negative for said person if it reinforces said unhealthy aspect. As it is often linked to humiliation, which is normally an emotion that humans are biologically disposed to avoid for a reason, the chances of participating in this fetish being unhealthy is higher than most fetishes.

For this fetish, there are multiple reasons why it might be arousing.

It could be due to low-self esteem, where the male feels they are unworthy of their partner and gets sexual enjoyment out of the humiliation of being forced to confront it.

Or, conversely, it could be due to the opposite; you are so self-assured that you get a sexual high from the thought that no matter how sexually attractive the other male it, your partner won't even consider preferring them over you.

Or, maybe you have reasonable self-esteem, but you see the other male as someone deserving of "extra" sex and you're offering your relationship as a gift.

I'm sure there are other reasons (ether conscious or subconscious) for having a fetish for being cuckolded.

Regardless of the reason, a fetish becomes negative with it starts to influence your non-sexual self in harmful ways. If one has low self-esteem, and participating in cuckoldry reinforces that because it's showing you "evidence" that you are correct (even if the setup is manufactured and all three partners agreed upon it beforehand, the subconscious doesn't care), then it's negative. Similarly, if one has dangerously high-self esteem as the source of the fetish, participating can very easily reinforce it and cause problems in real life.

Unfortunately, the example in this comic seems to portray it as being negative for Nick. The fact that they are bringing it out of the bedroom as one of the desired aspects (instead of trying to avoid it or treating it as simply being incidental), where Nick is getting off on Judy "showing off" that Nick isn't "worthy" of bedding her anymore via her scent means that he is getting off on the humiliation of it in general rather than only to people that are part of the arrangement. Them bringing in someone they don't actually know very well (given page 2) also means that the focus isn't based on them knowing the third party, which would have been a positive indicator for the impetus behind getting into this type of relationship. Even if they are clearly communicating beforehand, that is only one factor determining whether a sexual activity is healthy.

If Nick is having self-esteem problems (possibly sourced from his life history of being demeaned and hated due to his species and the guilt of giving in to them and becoming a street hustler), then participating in sexual activity that reinforces that is bad. It causes his quality of life outside of sex to degrade, and is likely to eventually explode in his (and Judy's) face sometime down the line.

HOWEVER, that being said, this is just a comic; as such, the characters in it are not real, nor did the events ever happen. As such, even if the events within are unhealthy for the characters, there's nothing inherently wrong with readers wanting to read about it or getting off on the content. Fapping to content like this can be damaging to the person sitting in front of the computer, but this is true of essentially everything, and it's up to the person doing it to keep it healthy (and to stop if it ever becomes unhealthy).

Whats the patreon link

I commented before that it's ironic how Amadose draws anthropomorphic furries very, very well but generally writes them like they are just humans in fursuits.

Here we have the line "So how' bout'it Nick? OK to go back to condoms?"

It's dialog that makes sense if you have 3 human people talking about their cucking plans, but why would Nick and Judy have ever used condoms in the first place?

Nick can't get Judy pregnant and even STDs wouldn't have been a concern because they are two different species.

It's like Amadose first imagined a cucking story where the girl was 150% into it and the guy was a spineless ballsack.

Then took the dialog from a "Cucking 101" FAQ he found on the internet and drew it so it featured characters that look like Judy and Nick but he didn't care about matching their personalities from the film.

Well, at least they are having some communication on the subject. Something that this type of comics relies on is toxicity, hopefully in a later page it will be clarified that first of all Judy loves her husband even about sex. That would make the story more appropriate.

rva98014 said:
I commented before that it's ironic how Amadose draws anthropomorphic furries very, very well but generally writes them like they are just humans in fursuits.

Here we have the line "So how' bout'it Nick? OK to go back to condoms?"

It's dialog that makes sense if you have 3 human people talking about their cucking plans, but why would Nick and Judy have ever used condoms in the first place?

Nick can't get Judy pregnant and even STDs wouldn't have been a concern because they are two different species.

It's like Amadose first imagined a cucking story where the girl was 150% into it and the guy was a spineless ballsack.

Then took the dialog from a "Cucking 101" FAQ he found on the internet and drew it so it featured characters that look like Judy and Nick but he didn't care about matching their personalities from the film.

Many fan interpretations of Zootopia involve different species being able to breed, and even the writers left it open when asked instead of saying it was impossible.

Also, cross-species STDs are a thing in real life, let alone in fiction.

durra said:
Many fan interpretations of Zootopia involve different species being able to breed, and even the writers left it open when asked instead of saying it was impossible.

Also, cross-species STDs are a thing in real life, let alone in fiction.

As far as I know in this interpretation it is impossible for two different species to get pregnant. At the beginning of the comic that is made clear

fredogodofredo18461 said:
As far as I know in this interpretation it is impossible for two different species to get pregnant. At the beginning of the comic that is made clear

STDs are still a possibility, and the person referencing condoms was the other guy who was likely making a general assumption.

fredogodofredo18461 said:
Well, at least they are having some communication on the subject. Something that this type of comics relies on is toxicity, hopefully in a later page it will be clarified that first of all Judy loves her husband even about sex. That would make the story more appropriate.

One of the problems of this series is that Amadose has a considerable head-canon about how his versions of Nick and Judy think, feel and act. Unfortunately he doesn't do a great job reflecting his head-canon clearly in the story.

He insists that his Nick and Judy are 100% completely on-board with cucking and are totally in love with each other. However, the way he writes Nick constantly makes it seem that he's a spineless ballsack who is only doing this because Judy insists.

Plus if you go back and re-read Chapter 1, you can see that Judy is totally treating Nick like a cuck way before they ever talk to each other about whether it's OK with him to be treated that way.

Amadose hand-waves this away by claiming they are so in tune with each other that they just "subconsciously know" it's OK.

It's a sign of his writing inexperience that he has to spend so much time explaining what his characters are thinking/feeling in his author's notes or in the comments instead of presenting it clearly in his story.

rva98014 said:
One of the problems of this series is that Amadose has a considerable head-canon about how his versions of Nick and Judy think, feel and act. Unfortunately he doesn't do a great job reflecting his head-canon clearly in the story.

He insists that his Nick and Judy are 100% completely on-board with cucking and are totally in love with each other. However, the way he writes Nick constantly makes it seem that he's a spineless ballsack who is only doing this because Judy insists.

Plus if you go back and re-read Chapter 1, you can see that Judy is totally treating Nick like a cuck way before they ever talk to each other about whether it's OK with him to be treated that way.

Amadose hand-waves this away by claiming they are so in tune with each other that they just "subconsciously know" it's OK.

It's a sign of his writing inexperience that he has to spend so much time explaining what his characters are thinking/feeling in his author's notes or in the comments instead of presenting it clearly in his story.

Although at the beginning of this comic it is clear that Judy is a bitch in the next chapter she accepts her mistake (which does not change that she is a bitch) as for Nick, I already accept that this Nick has a strange and submissive attitude. When I accept that, the only thing that leaves me in doubt is if Judy really loves Nick or prefers sex, so it would seem appropriate to clarify firmly that what they are doing is only a form of entertainment, but that her love always it will be for her husband. that would seem to me the most appropriate to "accept" what they are doing

Ok, since some of you guys are really invested in this you should really take a bit of time, click on the Furaffinity link and read some of the descriptions and comments he leaves on his works. He’s really communicative. I’ll drop some facts about this comic now, that are not (yet) really available from just reading the comic itself. This is due to the medium he has chosen for his story, the pages take a lot of time, and since it’s a porn comic, he really wants to focus on the porn.

This Judy loves this Nick above all else and would never leave him. Nick knows this.
This Nick loves this Judy above all else and would never leave her. Judy knows this.
Everything is to be taken at face value. No deceit will happen.
Both Buck and Owen and whoever else there might be are good guys and sincere in their desires.
This will have no effect in their normal lives. (Likely no mention about it either)
The characterization issue is known, but again, he wants to focus on the kink.
The first chapter was a depiction of how it is NOT supposed to be, they made a mistake, Judy made a mistake. She was forgiven and they started to figure it out later on.
Judy never had sex with anyone, without Nick knowing about it. For as long as they were together.
This is going to get a LOT kinkier. Both Nick and Judy will be happy with it.
There will be a LOT more of this.
This will likely end (if he gets there) with both of them growing out of the kink somewhat and starting a family as originally planned.

My last point isn’t a fact, just an educated guess about the Self-insert issue.
This is his Patreon banner: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/35789748/ (Alternatively click on the provided Patreon link in the description)
Which character is holding the drawing tablet?

There is a lot of valid critique about this comic I agree with, but also a lot of wild speculation. I hope this clears some stuff up!

Edit:
Forgot one point: Why Zootopia?
He's a big Zootopia fan, and loves Nick and Judy. He also very much ships them... just... well, you know....

I agree Amadose has a BIG problem working out his intention with his writing and actually showing us things like this are very important if he wants to tell a story. If he wanted to just focus on the kink, he should have done just that. Starting the whole comic off with Judy ignoring Nick's request to join in with Buck. Judy lying(and thus cheating) for months about taking her pills is still glossed over with a pathetic apology and just immediately forgiven and Nick instantly trusts her to begin this kink.

Those are probably my biggest issues with this whole thing, beside him drawing Nick like he doesn't enjoy it. If Amadose really wanted to just focus on the kink, there is absolutely no reason to add that in at the start. Especially if you can't show what you truly intend to with your writing. We have no reason to trust Judy will listen to a safe word, or keep her word as shown in the comic, or if Nick still has the self worth to even say the safe word with how he is drawn.

If this was just a porn cuckold comic, I myself would find this pretty hot and have very little complaints about it. But as it is being told as a story, there is a lot to be corrected and improved. And I do want it to improve, Amadose has a lot of skill as an artist, but as for his writing, there is a lot of room for improvement.

Edit:
"This will have no effect in their normal lives. (Likely no mention about it either)"

But talks about scent and shows wolfword smelling her up on the last page I think?

fenredwolf said:
Ok, since some of you guys are really invested in this you should really take a bit of time, click on the Furaffinity link and read some of the descriptions and comments he leaves on his works. He’s really communicative. I’ll drop some facts about this comic now, that are not (yet) really available from just reading the comic itself. This is due to the medium he has chosen for his story, the pages take a lot of time, and since it’s a porn comic, he really wants to focus on the porn.

This Judy loves this Nick above all else and would never leave him. Nick knows this.
This Nick loves this Judy above all else and would never leave her. Judy knows this.
Everything is to be taken at face value. No deceit will happen.
Both Buck and Owen and whoever else there might be are good guys and sincere in their desires.
This will have no effect in their normal lives. (Likely no mention about it either)
The characterization issue is known, but again, he wants to focus on the kink.
The first chapter was a depiction of how it is NOT supposed to be, they made a mistake, Judy made a mistake. She was forgiven and they started to figure it out later on.
Judy never had sex with anyone, without Nick knowing about it. For as long as they were together.
This is going to get a LOT kinkier. Both Nick and Judy will be happy with it.
There will be a LOT more of this.
This will likely end (if he gets there) with both of them growing out of the kink somewhat and starting a family as originally planned.

My last point isn’t a fact, just an educated guess about the Self-insert issue.
This is his Patreon banner: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/35789748/ (Alternatively click on the provided Patreon link in the description)
Which character is holding the drawing tablet?

There is a lot of valid critique about this comic I agree with, but also a lot of wild speculation. I hope this clears some stuff up!

Edit:
Forgot one point: Why Zootopia?
He's a big Zootopia fan, and loves Nick and Judy. He also very much ships them... just... well, you know....

With all these clarifications I think the matter is sanctioned for me, at first it seemed aberrant all this attitude but as I think about it I do not find a major problem, as long as both accept it and communication and above all THIS DOES NOT END WITH JUDY GOING CRAZY ABOUT SEX. If the ending you say is correct, it will seem like a "satisfactory" conclusion to me with the two characters overcoming this stage and forming a family

fredogodofredo18461 said:
With all these clarifications I think the matter is sanctioned for me, at first it seemed aberrant all this attitude but as I think about it I do not find a major problem, as long as both accept it and communication and above all THIS DOES NOT END WITH JUDY GOING CRAZY ABOUT SEX. If the ending you say is correct, it will seem like a "satisfactory" conclusion to me with the two characters overcoming this stage and forming a family

Just to be clear: With all the stuff he has planned and his current pace that is years away. Also he doesn't have everything clearly planned out, just a rough guideline, as his Patrons get to decide a lot of stuff.

fenredwolf said:
Just to be clear: With all the stuff he has planned and his current pace that is years away. Also he doesn't have everything clearly planned out, just a rough guideline, as his Patrons get to decide a lot of stuff.

With only that the story does not fall on NTR with other characters or things like that I am satisfied. I hope their patrons are not so radical

renobunny said:
Edit:
"This will have no effect in their normal lives. (Likely no mention about it either)"

But talks about scent and shows wolfword smelling her up on the last page I think?

Ah, what I meant was in any negative way.
Of course, like said in the comic, others will notice, but it won't have any of the rather dire consequences it would have in real life. If that makes sense....

fenredwolf said:
Ah, what I meant was in any negative way.
Of course, like said in the comic, others will notice, but it won't have any of the rather dire consequences it would have in real life. If that makes sense....

To me, doesn't really make sense. But a lot of how Amadose writes this doesn't make sense to me.

I know he is thinking of doing a QnA type thing with his nick and judy. Maybe some info on how long it took to regain some trust will be divulged there

renobunny said:
To me, doesn't really make sence. But a lot of how Amadose writes this doesn't make sense to me.

I know he is thinking of doing a QnA type thing with his nick and judy. Maybe some info on how long it took to regain some trust will be divulged there

Don't know about that, but another fact: It's usually several months in universe between each chapter, so he'd like you to just assume that they talked a lot.
And yes, I agree not the best way to tell a story.

fenredwolf said:
Don't know about that, but another fact: It's usually several months in universe between each chapter, so he'd like you to just assume that they talked a lot.
And yes, I agree not the best way to tell a story.

Yeah...especially when its something about as serious as having a family. Think if he went with something less serious then that "Several Months Later" page wouldn't even be needed.

fenredwolf said:
Ok, since some of you guys are really invested in this you should really take a bit of time, click on the Furaffinity link and read some of the descriptions and comments he leaves on his works. He’s really communicative. I’ll drop some facts about this comic now, that are not (yet) really available from just reading the comic itself. This is due to the medium he has chosen for his story, the pages take a lot of time, and since it’s a porn comic, he really wants to focus on the porn.

Hey FenRedWolf,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I am "invested" in the comic for two reasons 1) I'm a big fan of Zootopia and 2) I'm a volunteer editor so my mind just can't help focusing on the construction of a story analyzing what works and what doesn't.

I've been following this series since Amadose first published "Bun in the Oven" and I've read his author's notes and a majority of his comments (I'm sure I've missed some here and there so I apologize in advance if I missed him making a relevant point.).

I agree with the points you've summarized as being what Amadose has going on in his head-canon regarding his version of Nick and Judy in this comic.

I would add a few other things:
1) Amadose is really, really into the cucking fantasy.
2) He seems to like Nick and Judy.
3) He is still an inexperienced writer and his desire to jump right into the porn often causes him to cut corners with the narrative in order to get into the action.

Item (3) is best illustrated by the way Amadose seriously downplayed Judy's "mistake" in chapter 1. The moment she realized she was accidentally taking her pills but decided to hide that fact to have more sessions with Buck was a serious breach of trust and tends to undermine the devotion Amadose insists that Nick and Judy have.

It could have worked had Amadose treated Judy's revelation in Chapter 2 with more gravity and not had Nick forgive her so quickly, but Amadose wanted to jump back into the cucking quickly so it comes across like Nick is forgiving Judy for leaving the milk out of the refrigerator and not completely lying to him and Buck.

Amadose hasn't fully incorporated the writer's mantra... "Show Don't Tell" and this is why he'll have 6-8 paragraphs of author's notes along with copious comments having to explain why his Nick and Judy are acting the way they do.

The main thing that puzzles me is his characterization. He has diverted so sharply from Nick and Judy's personalities from the movie, that I'm constantly scratching my head as to why he is bothering to use Nick and Judy at all.

I get that he likes them, but if you're not going to honor the qualities that made them special in the film then you do the characters and the Zootopia fans no value by portraying them this way.

Given his artistic skill, he could have easily created some original characters that have a similar appearance to a green-eyed red fox and a purple-eyed gray bunny and told the same story but without the baggage of having to deal with how OOC they are.

Finally, for all who want to say "It's just porn, don't overthink it".

I would counter with this. The moment an artist pulls their work behind a patreon wall for early release to their patrons, they are now selling a product and as such are fully open to a thoughtful critique of their work.

rva98014 said:
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Well, I agree with you for the most part.
I'll just add as someone who is trying to get a similarly kinky (minus the cucking) story done with these two: It takes ages and it's damn hard.
You have to consider he does this on the side, he very much has a day job.

fenredwolf said:
Well, I agree with you for the most part.
I'll just add as someone who is trying to get a similarly kinky (minus the cucking) story done with these two: It takes ages and it's damn hard.
You have to consider he does this on the side, he very much has a day job.

I've worked with other fanfic writers providing some editorial feedback and I agree completely that writing well to tell a good story IS DAMN HARD.

I understand most fan-fic or fan-art creators are doing this in their spare time. If they are just creating "Tijuana Bibles" then poor characterization is expected and criticism is pointless.

But if they are actually trying to tell a good story then saying having a day job is a reason for poor craftsmanship isn't fair to those creators that also have day jobs but put out better crafted work.

There are many examples of good porn out there that shows Nick and Judy in NSFW situations but the creator still manages to keep the essence of these characters intact. For example robcivecat, akiric, dr boody, and even Mr. Mead have all done great porn like this either as a straight work or as a good Porn Parody.

This is why I'm puzzled as to why Amadose willingly wants to take on the additional burden of writing a Zootopia Nick/Judy cucking porn story instead of making it a well-drawn furry cuck fantasy story.

Why be in a relationship If you want someone else to run it?
Cucks are dumb af.

Good thing they are cucking too, we don't need their gene pool to continue

woofed said:
Why be in a relationship If you want someone else to run it?
Cucks are dumb af.

Good thing they are cucking too, we don't need their gene pool to continue

People like you are part of the problem.

rva98014 said:

This is why I'm puzzled as to why Amadose willingly wants to take on the additional burden of writing a Zootopia Nick/Judy cucking porn story instead of making it a well-drawn furry cuck fantasy story.

Because it's their artistic vision?

aquertyon said:
At the end of the day, this is still just a comic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Facts

I feel I should clarify my earlier atatement.

I'm not a fan of cuck. However I find this comic surprisingly enjoyable as, rather than portray cuck as something one forces on another and it inevitably results in a contest of testosterone it portrays it as something they are exploring.

And I reiterate I do not want Nick neglected. Any form of kink play demands appropriate measures of aftercare to ensure all parties are treated equally.

It's interesting to see cuck used to spice a relationship rather than destroy or control it.

>> Everything is to be taken at face value. No deceit will happen.

The ENTIRE FIRST CHAPTER is about Judy lying to Nick's face over and over. It wasn't one mistake, it was a long string of lies. What possible justification is there for trusting her at this point?

The only reason it worked out is this Nick is a spineless doormat. Which is a good thing, because THIS entire chapter is about disenfranchising him in every way. He doesn't get to have kids with Judy, Fox #2 gets to force himself on her whenever he wants, they even brought in orgasm denial to make it 100% clear that Nick doesn't have any rights in this relationship whatsoever.

It seems to be a thing that really good artists twist this Zootopia couple into their own weird reality. There's Zaush's "Have I mentioned Nick is super gay lately", Borba's abomination which seems to exist just to piss people off, and this top notch artist here, who has turned Nick into such a spineless wimp they should just skin him already. He's already a doormat, his pelt will be more comfortable underfoot that way.

Have we ever had a -doormat tag?

fenredwolf said:
Ok, since some of you guys are really invested in this you should really take a bit of time, click on the Furaffinity link and read some of the descriptions and comments he leaves on his works. He’s really communicative. I’ll drop some facts about this comic now, that are not (yet) really available from just reading the comic itself. This is due to the medium he has chosen for his story, the pages take a lot of time, and since it’s a porn comic, he really wants to focus on the porn.

This Judy loves this Nick above all else and would never leave him. Nick knows this.
This Nick loves this Judy above all else and would never leave her. Judy knows this.
Everything is to be taken at face value. No deceit will happen.
Both Buck and Owen and whoever else there might be are good guys and sincere in their desires.
This will have no effect in their normal lives. (Likely no mention about it either)
The characterization issue is known, but again, he wants to focus on the kink.
The first chapter was a depiction of how it is NOT supposed to be, they made a mistake, Judy made a mistake. She was forgiven and they started to figure it out later on.
Judy never had sex with anyone, without Nick knowing about it. For as long as they were together.
This is going to get a LOT kinkier. Both Nick and Judy will be happy with it.
There will be a LOT more of this.
This will likely end (if he gets there) with both of them growing out of the kink somewhat and starting a family as originally planned.

My last point isn’t a fact, just an educated guess about the Self-insert issue.
This is his Patreon banner: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/35789748/ (Alternatively click on the provided Patreon link in the description)
Which character is holding the drawing tablet?

There is a lot of valid critique about this comic I agree with, but also a lot of wild speculation. I hope this clears some stuff up!

Edit:
Forgot one point: Why Zootopia?
He's a big Zootopia fan, and loves Nick and Judy. He also very much ships them... just... well, you know....

All those things should be conveyed in the story itself. You shouldn't have to clarify all these points in an aside. That's probably why there's so much discussion on this story. In fact, a lot of cuckolding stories fail to convey that.

rva98014 said:
Hey FenRedWolf,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I am "invested" in the comic for two reasons 1) I'm a big fan of Zootopia and 2) I'm a volunteer editor so my mind just can't help focusing on the construction of a story analyzing what works and what doesn't.

I've been following this series since Amadose first published "Bun in the Oven" and I've read his author's notes and a majority of his comments (I'm sure I've missed some here and there so I apologize in advance if I missed him making a relevant point.).

I agree with the points you've summarized as being what Amadose has going on in his head-canon regarding his version of Nick and Judy in this comic.

I would add a few other things:
1) Amadose is really, really into the cucking fantasy.
2) He seems to like Nick and Judy.
3) He is still an inexperienced writer and his desire to jump right into the porn often causes him to cut corners with the narrative in order to get into the action.

Item (3) is best illustrated by the way Amadose seriously downplayed Judy's "mistake" in chapter 1. The moment she realized she was accidentally taking her pills but decided to hide that fact to have more sessions with Buck was a serious breach of trust and tends to undermine the devotion Amadose insists that Nick and Judy have.

It could have worked had Amadose treated Judy's revelation in Chapter 2 with more gravity and not had Nick forgive her so quickly, but Amadose wanted to jump back into the cucking quickly so it comes across like Nick is forgiving Judy for leaving the milk out of the refrigerator and not completely lying to him and Buck.

Amadose hasn't fully incorporated the writer's mantra... "Show Don't Tell" and this is why he'll have 6-8 paragraphs of author's notes along with copious comments having to explain why his Nick and Judy are acting the way they do.

The main thing that puzzles me is his characterization. He has diverted so sharply from Nick and Judy's personalities from the movie, that I'm constantly scratching my head as to why he is bothering to use Nick and Judy at all.

I get that he likes them, but if you're not going to honor the qualities that made them special in the film then you do the characters and the Zootopia fans no value by portraying them this way.

Given his artistic skill, he could have easily created some original characters that have a similar appearance to a green-eyed red fox and a purple-eyed gray bunny and told the same story but without the baggage of having to deal with how OOC they are.

Finally, for all who want to say "It's just porn, don't overthink it".

I would counter with this. The moment an artist pulls their work behind a patreon wall for early release to their patrons, they are now selling a product and as such are fully open to a thoughtful critique of their work.

Damn well stated.

If anything I wish more of this was in the comic so I had more comic to read.

Then again maybe it will get there eventually. But as it stands this kind of holds all the elements to make this effectively a great example of how to tell kink/sex related stories in a good way, or at least make fanfiction that is mildly entertaining.

As for why use Nick and Judy if it veers so sharply...

Because he likes the characters. I prefer to use the source material as a reference point not a guideline. Because for all anyone knows the author could very well improve as the story goes on and make it better and better.

For every 'Better Late than Never' there is a 'Zistopia' or 'Sunderance'

Anybody can say anything.
One thing is sure:

Still better love story than Borba.

(Or not???)

kronosz123 said:
Anybody can say anything.
One thing is sure:

Still better love story than Borba.

(Or not???)

Yes.

By the way, if anyone was curious, the author has stated that they don't look at the e621 posts of this comic and probably never will. All these essay-long comments about what's wrong with the story and how it could be improved aren't going to have any effect on where the comic goes. Your constructive criticism is just going out into the open air. The artist will never see them. I say that if you really dislike the comic, you might as well stop wasting your breath and just stop reading.

It would be so bad if the "bull" didnt look like a nick wilde rip off with a perma boogy in his nose. If he's such an alpha male then why is he just nick with worse hygiene.

Wait...just realised thats a nose ring, fucking lol. Oh well still a cringe worthy desgin.

alexandermugetsu said:
Past moments have shown that, indeed, this isn't how a healthy relationship should actually be.

So everyone has to ask you if their relationships are healthy or not? Dude, don't stick your nose into personal life of each person

littlewhitelamby said:
So everyone has to ask you if their relationships are healthy or not? Dude, don't stick your nose into personal life of each person

The whole point of reading/watching/playing fiction is to stick your nose into the personal lives of said people.

durra said:
The whole point of reading/watching/playing fiction is to stick your nose into the personal lives of said people.

well, ah, sorry for disappointing you, but fiction is public, and personal life is personal

I really hope this ends with Nick getting a spine and either telling Judy that he's not okay with this, or just straight up leaves her, because he's obviously only doing this to make Judy happy, and she obviously doesn't care about how he feels

dawn-breaker said:
I mean, just because it isn't prescribed for most relationships doesn't mean it can't be healthy for some. Plenty of polyamrous relationships can go on to lead happy lives together, you just have to have rules when you go about it that you should assume the couple agreed on. Cuckolding is fine, cheating is not, and remember it's only cheating if you break the rules.

Anyway, nobody's forcing it on you, so don't kinkshame, please. We're all here to have fun.

Retracted.

littlewhitelamby said:
So everyone has to ask you if their relationships are healthy or not? Dude, don't stick your nose into personal life of each person

Retracted

dawn-breaker said:
The issue with cheating is that you have to go behind someone's back to do it. If you are up front, honest, and you keep your partner informed about what you are up to, there are no problems to be had. Open communication is a must for any relationship, monogamous ones included. There should never be any secrets in a relationship, because secrets only breed lies and deceptions. That is the essence of cheating, and most poly relationships don't have that because the terms are agreed upon mutually. Take it from someone who has been in one for nearly a decade completely drama-free. (Granted, our relationship is nothing like that which is depicted in this comic.)

Clearly, if you're in a poly relationship, and you are unhappy with the poly aspect of said relationship, you shouldn't be in one. Please, exit said relationship and find someone else, preferably one who either shares or respects your mononormative values, and stop making your anecdotal baggage other folks' problems. Thank you.

Retracted

dawn-breaker said:
I mean, just because it isn't prescribed for most relationships doesn't mean it can't be healthy for some. Plenty of polyamrous relationships can go on to lead happy lives together, you just have to have rules when you go about it that you should assume the couple agreed on. Cuckolding is fine, cheating is not, and remember it's only cheating if you break the rules.

Anyway, nobody's forcing it on you, so don't kinkshame, please. We're all here to have fun.

Ditto, im in an poly relationship because our personalities as stoner "free love" guys lends itself to such things.