Honestly, anyone can fantasize whatever, as long as they aren't actually going after people. People who try to overly criticize people over it, are just overreacting.

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I don't think this holds up a lot of the time.

The "underage kid" is usually either the commissioner's character, or the artist's character themselves.
Some fantasy about "What if I was a kid again, except retained some/all of my sexual knowledge?" Or "What if I was molested/raped as a kid?"
Weird I know but regardless it is the artist &/or commissioner "being sexualized", just that in the draw they are portrayed as a kid.
Comes across as some type of self degradation kink.

Not only that, the "erotic situation" can exclude adults entirely & the kids are all mid-post puberty being "experimental". Usually some BS school or camp setting. Sometimes involving bullying.

The idea is >not< that the "viewing adults" (or artists) are victimizing kids.
The viewers (or artists) >are the kids<.
Think of that what you will.

All that said, if you want to argue that the commissioner or artist are having themselves drawn as the "adult predator" victimizing the kid, & that this makes them a pedo, then we could have something to discuss.

whats with all the politics in my porn lately?

duncanprice said:
What if kids come on here and see that stuff

Kids shouldn't be here, why should we care?

thunderfluff said:
whats with all the politics in my porn lately?

As smarter people then me have said: EVERYTHING is politics.

Just a reminder that the outside world sees everyone on here as into bestiality, so, you know, glass houses and all that

camkitty said:
Just a reminder that the outside world sees everyone on here as into bestiality, so, you know, glass houses and all that

I always thinks it's very ironic,like people outside can make such blind assumption about us,but we still do the same to our own,we are not any better than the people who say furries = zoophiles

duncanprice said:
What if kids come on here and see that stuff

"What if children go to a place they're not allowed to be and see adult stuff they're explicitly not supposed to see? That'd be YOUR fault for posting porn in a porn database!"

duncanprice said:
What if kids come on here and see that stuff

The website literally asks if you are 18 before showing you anything

basslinebeta said:
The website literally asks if you are 18 before showing you anything

Yeah

ariados said:
As smarter people then me have said: EVERYTHING is politics.

Sad fact of the matter is that statement is true.
Everything is Political now.
Whether intentional or not.

somejerkonthesite said: The simple and easy solution is to stop being aroused by such things. It's not that hard

Y'know.
That argument is also used against Homosexuals and Lesbians daily.
It's essentially "quick being X, it's easy".
It's not easy to unlearn something that is arousing.

The secret here is to realize that the meaning of "pedophile" on social media has been distorted and mangled to the point that at worst it's a replacement for "you're a poopyhead and I don't like you".

In other words it's fucking nothing the vast majority of the time and you can simply ignore it.

somejerkonthesite said:
Guess we're just gonna ignore the fact that sexual immorality is a result of us being evil by nature. Therefore, thoughts left in the mind isn't a good environment. Neither is it outside the mind in actions. The simple and easy solution is to stop being aroused by such things. It's not that hard, and every pervert knows that.

wow that's some AWFUL philosophy.

bonne_soupe said:
That's an interesting take, but let's imagine people suddenly discover a community of artists who sometimes draw themselves punching babies in the guts. Some people are offended, others find it amusing, most don't give a damn. As time passes, it comes to light that some of the people arrested for punching babies in the guts belong to this community, ALL of which are big fans of the punching babies subcommunities. Now, even if drawings themselves aren't illegal, even if one is innocent until proven guilty and most fictional baby-punching fans don't go and punch real babies in the guts, is it really surprising that outsiders raise an eyebrow when they find out someone belongs to that community?

That sounds like you are part of the people that assume furries must fuck their dogs

cartoonhorsepoon said:
Regardless if you are drawing someone and depicting them as A minor and that turns you on the sediment of it is still there. The same argument could be said that you jack off to the idea of fucking kids but not actually doing it is just as bad as going out and fucking kids. The want is there and thats disgusting enough. So yeah you should off yourself for either reason.

There it is, the very target of this joke making butthurt comments about it, and the funniest part is that you think people are actually going to agree with you on this site. Thanks for making my day, snowflake.

You know, when I first saw this I didn't think much of it, but the more comments appeared the more it became obvious that absurd opinions like these really do exist. If the upvote/downvote system wouldn't exist, I'd have lost faith by now.

People throwing stones for victimless "crimes" kinda look idiotic to me. We might as well paint everyone a monster who enjoyed any form of art depicting any form of rape for the sake of it. Oh and while we're at that, let's demonize video games too, because obviously humans are completely incapable of dividing fantasy and reality.

nioin said:
You know, when I first saw this I didn't think much of it, but the more comments appeared the more it became obvious that absurd opinions like these really do exist. If the upvote/downvote system wouldn't exist, I'd have lost faith by now.

People throwing stones for victimless "crimes" kinda look idiotic to me. We might as well paint everyone a monster who enjoyed any form of art depicting any form of rape for the sake of it. Oh and while we're at that, let's demonize video games too, because obviously humans are completely incapable of dividing fantasy and reality.

You know that we live in a world where most developed countries consider these kinds of fictitious depictions illegal?

camkitty said:
That sounds like you are part of the people that assume furries must fuck their dogs

I'm part of the people who don't get surprised at all when yet another furry is ousted as a dog fucker. I know most aren't, but still... I guess I'm more cynical than judgemental ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the hole concept of drawing cub art and people linking it to petophillea is the equivalent to weed smoking leading to coke use or animal killers leading to murderers. Yes there is a connection to them but not all people who smoke weed do crack or hunters moving up to mass shooters. Now there is a difference in drawing fictional characters sexualy and drawing some random kid you know or just made up because there is always a line that must not be crossed and for everyone that line is different. I could go on on the subject as I enjoy learning and sharing my findings on phycaligy but this post is already too long.

TLDR: There is a line when drawing seductive cubs and pedo art work that must not be crossed

bonne_soupe said:
I'm part of the people who don't get surprised at all when yet another furry is ousted as a dog fucker. I know most aren't, but still... I guess I'm more cynical than judgemental ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, spoiler, those people were fucked up regardless. That is like pretending that video games cause violence. No, that guy was fucked up before he played Doom

All opinions aside, do be sure to read up on the laws of your particular country regarding drawing stuff like that, since whether or not it's considered an offence does vary from country to country. The UK and Australia, for example, do have legislation that puts drawing shota art as the same as literally producing real child pornography. Stay safe, everyone.

camkitty said:
Yeah, spoiler, those people were fucked up regardless. That is like pretending that video games cause violence. No, that guy was fucked up before he played Doom

Yeah, I'd be a bit more worried about Doom if it was all about shooting up a school, and fans made mods of their own schools, and during streams there were always a bunch of people saying shit like "damn, I wish that was me shooting up my school". I know what you're thinking, there HAVE been school shooting mods, even a Columbine game, but they're not very popular and gamers in general don't circle their wagons to defend the virtue of their precious sociopathic wankers.

bonne_soupe said:
Yeah, I'd be a bit more worried about Doom if it was all about shooting up a school, and fans made mods of their own schools, and during streams there were always a bunch of people saying shit like "damn, I wish that was me shooting up my school". I know what you're thinking, there HAVE been school shooting mods, even a Columbine game, but they're not very popular and gamers in general don't circle their wagons to defend the virtue of their precious sociopathic wankers.

They defend it all the time from any jack off that tries to associate the two. Gamers realize fantasy does not mean reality. Too many of the general public do not and pretend that movies, tv, and everything else would be just as responsible

as this rate we might aswell ban everything range from action/horror movies and dramas,rape/incest themed porns,video games and novels and let's all praise China level of censorships.

casimirdrethen said:
All opinions aside, do be sure to read up on the laws of your particular country regarding drawing stuff like that, since whether or not it's considered an offence does vary from country to country. The UK and Australia, for example, do have legislation that puts drawing shota art as the same as literally producing real child pornography. Stay safe, everyone.

I believe I've posted this before a long while ago but I guess it would be useful here too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors

turmerictom said:
You know that we live in a world where most developed countries consider these kinds of fictitious depictions illegal?

Okay, but, like, what exactly is the point you're trying to make here? I never claimed it was legal, just not immoral. The law isn't an absolute moral ideal. Dozens of countries still have homosexuality outlawed. Some places have people put to death for being atheistic.

I agree with him, I find it absurd when the yiff videos have to start by writing that all characters are of legal age, when fanfic sites like Spirit fanfics prohibit underage Fucking in a fanfic, when the UN invents that lolicon and shotacon should be banned, This does not generate p.edop.hil.ia in real life, Who doesn't know the difference between reality and fiction is the problem, this situation is analogous to the media saying that violent games generate real violence, I live in a country that doesn’t prohibit fake porn and I’m proud of it, Brazil! 🇧🇷

Art isn't reality. Let people draw what they they desire so long as it doesn't harm real people. Getting a minor to sign the piece created of them by an artist is fucked up(yes, that actually happened. I don't approve of drawing real minors either, especially if they're public figures they could be targeted.)
A pedophile is not synonymous with predator either. They're functional, scared due to the stigma or vulnerable to being groomed at any age into predatory behavior. I can't say I feel bad for the last case, but they all need help and resources in those cases.
Too many people online put their hate boner before solving the problem of this cycle of abuse. It's not hard at all for me to admit they're human. Hint hint... Then we see sick fucks weaponizing this fear to take out political opponents. These are the people whose influence I fear more than actual predators. You can treat, or prevent these individuals from acting. You cannot halt a mob damaging a cause...
Edited: I feel betrayed by Chris Hansen's seeming grift. This is the exploitation we ignore. The more I look into it the more I legitimately fear for minors where as before I only knew the cries were over dramatic. Now I see we have serious issues with constantly needing a punching bag below us to feel good about ourselves as a culture. What's easier than a pedophile?

camkitty said:
They defend it all the time from any jack off that tries to associate the two. Gamers realize fantasy does not mean reality. Too many of the general public do not and pretend that movies, tv, and everything else would be just as responsible

Way to miss the point entirely. Just to clarify, I couldn't care any less what people draw, but I do care about prevalent attitudes within subcultures, and as far as I can tell (as someone who has been a casual consumer of videogames since the SNES era), at no point in time was it acceptable to join random forums to talk sbout how much Call of Duty characters reminded you of those annoying kids from your school that you wanted to shoot, Age of Empire forums were never a platform where Fire-Attracted-Persons could gather and draw themselves setting mosques on fire or Nigel Farage in a crusader armor beheading Saracen villagers fresh off the boat, so I don't see how videogames and cub porn are in any way comparable.

bonne_soupe said:
Way to miss the point entirely. Just to clarify, I couldn't care any less what people draw, but I do care about prevalent attitudes within subcultures, and as far as I can tell (as someone who has been a casual consumer of videogames since the SNES era), at no point in time was it acceptable to join random forums to talk sbout how much Call of Duty characters reminded you of those annoying kids from your school that you wanted to shoot, Age of Empire forums were never a platform where Fire-Attracted-Persons could gather and draw themselves setting mosques on fire or Nigel Farage in a crusader armor beheading Saracen villagers fresh off the boat, so I don't see how videogames and cub porn are in any way comparable.

The question is not whether a group enjoying a specific medium is messed up but rather whether or not the medium itself is the thing that messes up those people in the first place and may I suggest that people gathering in messed up forums were probably already messed up from the start?

I mean, come on, this is e621. We don't talk about a specific video game title, heck, not even about a specific video game genre and A LOT of the time not even about video games at all, so I really don't think that this is a breeding place for the next gen of terrorists.

nioin said:
The question is not whether a group enjoying a specific medium is messed up but rather whether or not the medium itself is the thing that messes up those people in the first place and may I suggest that people gathering in messed up forums were probably already messed up from the start?

Well, the message this image is trying to convey is that there's no correlationship between drawing/masturbating to cub porn and being a pedophile, to which I disagree. I never suggested cub porn turns innocent people into pedophiles or that the art should be banned, just that one shouldn't be surprised that people make assumptions considering the vast amount of evidence of a correlation.

I've always been bemused by the people who cry 'Pedomaker' over drawings, yet, have no problem watching 'Silence of the Lambs' and don't fear turning into murderous cannibals'. That horrific violence is tolerated and any hint of sexuality drives some folks to hysteria is a testament to the influence of pandering Politicians and 'projecting' religious leaders...

As long as little furry kids aren't getting straight up raped, I'm okay with it.

camkitty said:
Just a reminder that the outside world sees everyone on here as into bestiality, so, you know, glass houses and all that

No they don’t really, most people I meet just see furry porn as a kink, the only people who call us zoophiles are furry haters and trolls.

After reading this entire comment section, I am going to give a medium-ish TLDR on this whole argument:
Online *cub* furry porn should be seen in a way of a questionable kink or a (extremely) strange way to depict people under the age of 18 in a anthropomorphic way
Now, my tldr may be wrong or offensive/discriminative in a way to furries or other people in the community. I could have missed strong details and opinions in any of the comments, I am extremely sorry if you feel this way for I didn't mean to give anyone that feeling

Goodbye