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CelestialRainicorn
MemberProbably the only Sonic character I find to be appealing as far as a furry.
SilvesterThadiusEdwa
MemberDumb question but why would silver be biased in this situation?
Katboy333
MemberBecause for some reason SilverxBlaze fans ship them as if the ship was official which it isnt whatsoever and the relation they had in Sonic 06 was platonic. They like to make it more than what it really is.
ginkei
MemberI'd say 11
LightAura
BlockedThat ain’t true
SilvesterThadiusEdwa
MemberCan you explain? kinda curious
SilvesterThadiusEdwa
MemberI messed up the reply
feurisson972
MemberCan't claim it's wrong but rather:
It's what all ship's fans and fanbase (Sonamy, Sonaze, Shadouge, Sonadow, Tailream, Knuckouge, Jetwave...) do. So where is the problem ?
BlueFenixFBR
MemberThe problem is not the shipps themselves but the way the fanbase reacts to certain of them like Silvaze for example: as he said above their relationship is more something like "You're like a brother to me" but in the eyes of fanbase they having love relationship is practically canon even if it isn't and that's what's annoying sometimes.
so much so that in the series it was always established a pseudo romance between Blaze and Sonic even before silver existed but in the end it's not like sega would develop it so whatever.
ginkei
MemberShipping wars are dumb anyway.
Sega won't do anything.
Even the archie comics (which don't follow the game's canon) are messy.
feurisson972
MemberSorry but no, this "sibling relationship" is nothing but the interpretation of fans who take too seriously the bad translation of Blaze bio in 06. Blaze and Silver are only close friends and this interpretation can also be applied for other relationships as Shadouge or Sonaze.
I could say the same for this pseudo romance in Sonaze, nothing but interpretation of fans who see the relationship like that. Not all fans see it like that, for example I see a sibling relationship in Sonaze yet it's not a reason I could use as a main reason to explain why I can't ship it (better to look the development and impact the ship could have on the characters and the franchise).
Also you seriously use the "She meet Sonic before Silver" as argument ? Because it have no weight and matter in shipping. Limit it's like claiming SEGA make Silver to stole Blaze of Sonic what is just absurd, and I believe it's not what you think.
So yes canonically they are only friends but it's not bad or wrong to see romance in their relationship or believe it could turn as romantical, it's literraly how shipping work. I find weird to believe it's wrong or annoying with Silvaze when it's what happening for a big part of the shipping.
If you want to love ships only when it have a canonic romantical relationship, it's your choice but at this moment I don't see how you can appreciate ship betwwen characters who canonicaly: never met, are just friends, don't love each other (one sided love).
I don't even find which ship can be canoncicaly already setting up for you can appreciate it in these condition:
Sonaze ? Friend you can see as sibling
Sonamy ? One sided love mainly
Sonelise ? Friends
Shadouge ? Friends you can see as sibling
Shadikal ? Never met
Vectilla ? one sided love mainly
Knuckouge ? Friends
Yet all are good ship.
I could use Whipsangle, Tailsmo, Sonally or Antoine and Bunny but I know some don't want to mix games with comics and shows.
I don't claim your wrong, it's your opinion, but I doubt you even try to see if what you complain about Silvaze it's also applied in other ships. Even those you like.
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BlueFenixFBR
MemberFirst off, I'm not having ship war with you, I'm just showing you why Silvaze is annoying some times if compared to the others.
this ship is just based on a interpretation of a line from 06 which is already full of inconsistency on its own, but is treated by the huge part from the fanbase as practically fact (I don't know about the comics but they are not part of the same universe from the games so whatever). and to make matters worse because of this a lot of people can't see the character of the blaze without the silver with it.
I mentioned sonaze before because it's more "plausible" and I see much more good arguments if compare with silvaze but there isn't a ship canon currently, at least not in relation to blaze last time i checked but the point is that this almost factual way that fanbase treats this ship is just annoying some times.
is it clear to you now?
if you arrived in the sonic franchise now and entered would already assume that Blaze and Silver are really a couple because the fanbase
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feurisson972
MemberBecause we have a ship war ? I believe it was just a discussion about shipping (at least I'm not the one who try to claim how one ship is wrong, annoying or bad here).
I agree with you Silvaze fanbase exagerate the relationship. But I also explain what you complaining about Silvaze it's totally common and normal in ship: Interpretation of the fanbase and nothing more.
After Blaze continue to be see and associate with Amy, Sonic and Cream so peoples who complain she's only associate with Silver don't follow the recent games or comics.
I don't even go on your Sonaze is more "plausible" since it's just interpretation and no true fact. Wasn't what you complaining about Silvaze fans ?
Also sorry dude but Silvaze fans don't like this ship only because 06 as I assume Sonaze fans don't like Sonaze only because Rush's ending.
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BlueFenixFBR
Membernormal may even be in a certain way, but no other ship in the series has that same impact of "Fake Facts", with the exception of Sonamy but in this case you realize the exaggeration when actually playing the games.
And like, there's a difference between characters that complement as well as cream was for Blaze in the first rush and turn in an extension of another character.
but I would say that this is more 06's fault than the fanbase in this case, there she is basically a tails for silver
I was just making it clear, I don't have a problem if you like the Silvaze ship my problem is with this fanbase exaggeration when treating this ship as a canon and even make the character blaze like a silver extension sometimes.
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feurisson972
MemberOkay I don't follow you here.
If I understand the reason you blaming Silvaze is... because they see tis ship as canon and Blaze is see as Silver's partner ?
First: A big part of Silvaze fanbase know Silvaze isn't actually canon, they just like and appreciate this ship as all other ships.
And what are those Silvaze fake facts ? They love each other when they're only friends... Exactly what all ships do and it's an exaggeration all peoples know and don't take seriously except those who don't know the franchise (and if they ask Silvaze fans they don't afraid to explain how it's just interpretation) and... peoples who blame it but do the same with other ships.
Proof with your pseudo-romance with Sonaze (sorry but you use it and it's a good example). About "fake fact" Sonaze do the same with those "fake ship facts" (Perceval who become nothing except a Sonaze proof) but also with those "fake anti-ship facts":
"They don't know each other", "This character meet another one before", "No canon", "Silver come from the future"... each years Sonaze/anti-silvaze fans try to find another reason or rather "fake facts" as you say to claim how Silvaze is wrong and actually the more popular is "Sibling relationship". We even reach the point it's become impossible to ship Silver with another character because of that.
Second: I don't try to change your opinion on this point even if I disagree, I understand it can be hard to appreciate all partnership. I want to see more interaction and team between different characters too as Rouge/Blaze, Silver/Espio, Shadow/Knuckles...
But what is so bad and wrong to see Blaze teamed with Silver ? Explain me I try to understand why peoples continue to act as if be teamed with Silver is the worst thing who could happening for a character.
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BlueFenixFBR
MemberI still have a few points to clarify but honestly this talk about ships has gone on too long and no one seems to be convinced of anything.
But just to make it clear once more, I have no problem with the ship silvaze I just find these things irritating that these people who claim this ship as the truth and so on.
feurisson972
MemberOn this point I don't say you're wrong and even agree we can find exagerations.
I say it's just how shipping work so don't take it so seriously or generalizing only for Silvaze, Sonamy or other ships as if they are the only one who do that since actually in Sonic games no ship and romantical relationships are canon.
ginkei
MemberArguing about the relationship of fictional characters in a furry porn site is ridiculous.
Sega basically messed up their characters to begin with.
feurisson972
MemberDon't see the problem to talk about fictional relationships (even if it was more a discussion about the fanbase and shipping to be fair) at least if you don't go into "this relationship is the best or the worst" and try to understand what the other try to say (what who seem to be trully hard on e621).
I agree with bluefenixfbr point about ships fanbase who make exageration about relationship and add it's common in shipping, but disagree when he claim Silvaze is the main or only fanbase in this franchise who claim their ship is truth or already settled and approved.
After I totally agree with you, actually Sega don't know what to do with Sonic characters except use Sonic as only main hero... I mean mascott, Eggman as only main vilain and all other characters who need to appear for fanservice.
The worst is some fans encourage it and see no problem as long as they can continue to play the Sonic boost formula gameplay.
ginkei
MemberI like Tails x Rouge stuff but I won't force it as being canon and claiming that people who disagrees are bad/wrong...
What's the big deal with that? Robotnik is the main villain of the series and boost isn't a problem. The Adventure formula had a lot of flaws as well.
feurisson972
MemberAnd it's exactly how shipping need to work accept other ship and don't try to impose your own as the only one who deserve to exist because you believe it's the best for example.
Sometimes it's not a problem to discuss about the flaw and qualities of relationships, at least if they are valid and specific of the ship you talk.
For example, claiming Sonic and Blaze have chemistry isn't wrong but it's not the only relationship who show that especially when you look other relationship involving Sonic. And we have relationships more special and specific as Rouge who's one of the closest friend of Shadow with Omega and yet Shadouge fans don't claim their ships is better for this reason.
We have other vilains better and more interesting than Eggman and same about Sonic as main hero.
"Sonic vs Eggman" plot bring nothing for this franchise and even limit it and all other characters because SEGA fear to develop the game universe.
And about the boost formula it's the same, it's fun I don't say the opposite as I don't claim the adventure formula was better but, it's so focused on speed than it's unable to suit different gameplays or other characters than Sonic or limit Shadow or other characters you want to appear as Sonic clones. (don't claim it's why we don't have other playable characters but hard to imagine Knuckles, Tails or even Blaze in boost formula with their own potential)
Proove with Forces who show the limit of the boost formula but also the limit of the Sonic vs Eggman plot.
I don't claim Sonic is a bad main hero, Eggman a bad main vilain and boost formula is a bad gameplay. What I say is it's a shame to see this franchise limited on Sonic vs Eggman when we have other characters, plot and gameplay who deserve more development and focus. Especially when SEGA do nothing with Eggman and Sonic except use them as mascott.
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ginkei
MemberWell I appreciate the relationship that Sonic and Blaze has built in the two Rush games (despite them being completely ignored by Sega and the Sonic Team), same for Silver and Blaze (despite 2006 technically never happening).
As for "Shadouge" I don't have a gripe against them (even if in-game they're really close) but some of them act like if Rouge is shown with someone else they're getting a bit upset as if they were directly affected.
The main problem with the series is the lack of focus, Sonic Forces would've probably been better if Infinite wasn't there and that only Modern/Boost Sonic was in...
There is a reason why many people said that the Adventure games haven't aged very well or why Unleashed or Forces has many issues whereas games like Colors and Mania are pretty much appreciated (even by non-sonic fans) just because they were fun to play and has gone to the point without adding too much things. This is why we're seeing a new collection of the older games and a remaster of Colors.
What I want is just a game that is 100% focused on Sonic (because he's the main character) that doesn't try to artificially makes the game longer and add a monster of the week (like Iblis or Infinite even though the later was useless) but just being a good Sonic vs Robotnik where he's actually a threatening villain and not just a joke character made for the laugh.
Sega could've simply taken inspiration to the Day stages of Unleashed and expanded upon instead of filling their game with gimmicks or alternate playstyles.
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feurisson972
MemberAnd I have no problem with that, I also like game who just want to be fun with just a classic hero vs vilain plot as Colors and Mania or Unleashed, not when it try to claim for no reason how Sonic is the only one able to beat Eggman the only vilain of this franchise when all other characters was useless fanservice element.
Another problem is SEGA introduce some elements who look trully important but do nothing with them in next games (Zavok and co for example) or worst in the game itself (Infinite). And so Sonic fans wonder why the games or elements (character, gameplay...) who had hyped them became disappointing and No-sonic fans just don't find interest in it except for the desing if we talk about characters.
If at least they try to use other characters to introduce new gameplay, give them some matter in the plot with that I believe the games could be better.
As Forces could be better if the avatar had a most significative role and gameplay and his own story with Infinite or even with the wisps as Whisper in IDW for example (I was the only one who believe the wisps could have a bigger importance in this game than just power-up).
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SilvesterThadiusEdwa
MemberHuh my comment made a war, neat
feurisson972
MemberJust a discussion and exchange of opinion, we are far from a war.
ginkei
MemberI dunno who is downvoting your comments but I find it a bit rude.
Anyway I like the imageset and I also like when they're making Blaze a bit flat-chested (which apparently is canon according to '06 haha).
feurisson972
MemberDon't worry it's always like that and I don't even care anymore.
It's good to see how the artist appreciate Blaze's flat chest or make fun about it. A bit sad they don't explore this point in game but I suppose it could be a bad idea since Sonic is also for kids.
ginkei
MemberI feel like the comment voting system is flawed (mainly because of the hourly limit but also because someone may downvote for no reasons than disagreeing/disliking the poster).
Since I saw that pic by Jinu post #1900429 I started to really appreciate flat-chested Blaze art (and it's a shame that in 15+ years after Rush's release there are barely 2 pages of "Blaze + flat_chested" on this site.
PS: Well the problem is that Sega barely shows Blaze, are putting story in the background in their latest games (and ultimately Sonic 2006's writing was too messy to care about that aspect).
Also Sonic was aimed at early teens, not just kids. I'd even say that being "aimed at kids" shouldn't refrain from tackling more serious subjects (I'm not talking about being flat-chested but more about being complexed in general). I mean even Nintendo had some more serious subjects in some of their game (without going too far).
feurisson972
MemberThis is why I don't downvote comments or take care about it anymore since it's mean barely nothing. I mean except claim "I disagree" or "I don't like it" it don't show you opinion or point the problem you see in the comment. (after it quick and avoid some useless arguments and problems)
Really ? Maybe it's just the flat_chested tag who wasn't so used as with biffalo's art for example post #2500791 or krazyelf post #2590920
It's why I was complaining about the Sonic vs Eggman focus in recent games since it don't help to develop the story of other characters as Blaze, Silver, Shadow or Knuckles. But some fans prefer to blame her partnership with Silver (wonder if they do the same if Blaze was associate with other characters as Amy or Cream instead of Silver ?)
I remember the old time when Sonic games don't fear to go on complex and dark subject as the genocide of Knuckles tribe, death or Eggman who turn littke animals into badnik. Some of those dark subjects are always present but soften as the wisps turned in weapon (who was bad in colors but good in forces) or the brainwashing of the zeti in lost world.
I'm pretty sure something similar was initially planned for Infinite in Forces looking his last scene but SEGA just give it up.
ginkei
Member(I'll stop directly replying to you because it takes a lot of space) but darn, who and why are you getting downvotes again?
And Biffalo and Krazyelf are based, thank you.
PS: I just want a new good Sonic game that doesn't overly rely on its past nor use any shoehorned gimmicks.
SilvesterThadiusEdwa
Member30. Fucking. Comments. And all because I asked a question. I'm so proud of this community!
ginkei
MemberWhat is wrong with making comments (as long as it's not spamming/flamming people)?
SilvesterThadiusEdwa
MemberOh there isn't anything wrong with it. It's just amazing how many there are because I asked a question
MrDarknessIsFoxxo
MemberWhat a nice post, very great artwork.
I sure hope there isn't any drama about shipping in the comments!
Pretty Kitty
MemberI'm personally impressed by the comment lengths as well, y'all are writing books in here
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