"I don't care if you call me weak, just please"

The fuck? Is that a hamfisted attempt at portraying her as the bottom half of a sub-dom pair?

Foobaria said:
"I don't care if you call me weak, just please"

The fuck? Is that a hamfisted attempt at portraying her as the bottom half of a sub-dom pair?

No, it's the sound of a story about to be ooc and everything dying in a blast of grand evil proportions.

In other words, genius porn at it's best!

If I could donate I would unfortunately I don't have paypal
Love the series though and can't wait to see the conclusion

So whats angel going to do?

HURRY ANGEL! Stop Spike before its too late!

Falord said:
So whats angel going to do?

He probably wants a turn at the window.

The way this comic is going, Angel is going to wind up being used for a fucking dildo. Jesus this story is a train wreck.

pandapwner2 said:
If I could donate I would unfortunately I don't have paypal
Love the series though and can't wait to see the conclusion

we'll eventually have our own system for donations and will be able to accept echecks, hopefully!

for now, thank you very much for the thought <3

JackthePlaid said:
The way this comic is going, Angel is going to wind up being used for a fucking dildo. Jesus this story is a train wreck.

out of curiosity, what would you have me do to save it?

TwilightStormshi said:
out of curiosity, what would you have me do to save it?

Don't worry, it's good so far. I'm all for spike getting a mark, it should be the Orange Lantern symbol lol

so now spike is gonna use what FS said about dash, sweeeeettttt

TwilightStormshi said:
out of curiosity, what would you have me do to save it?

Clearly the way the fans want it to go is for Spike to burst in and make his intentions known (over the course of a few pages), then Fluttershy puts up a great deal of resistance before submitting (again, no reason to rush this part), but before anything close to penetration occurs, Angel comes to her rescue and fight off Spike, who is never seen in the comic again, and the rest of it should be the two chastely discussing Fluttershy's introverted behavior and the personal problems that arise from it.

It's really quite obvious. Haven't you ever read a porn comic before?

Falord said:
So whats angel going to do?

Sherade his way to the soon to be failed rescue

GarethGobulcoque said:
Clearly the way the fans want it to go is for Spike to burst in and make his intentions known (over the course of a few pages), then Fluttershy puts up a great deal of resistance before submitting (again, no reason to rush this part), but before anything close to penetration occurs, Angel comes to her rescue and fight off Spike, who is never seen in the comic again, and the rest of it should be the two chastely discussing Fluttershy's introverted behavior and the personal problems that arise from it.

It's really quite obvious. Haven't you ever read a porn comic before?

The entire comic is about Spike becoming sex-crazed on his birthday (Like in the episode, but with sex instead of objects). What you have suggested completely throws the plot-line.

Kevink said:
The entire comic is about Spike becoming sex-crazed on his birthday (Like in the episode, but with sex instead of objects). What you have suggested completely throws the plot-line.

I was making that suggestion with immense sarcasm. I'm not surprised you didn't catch it, since I'm sure there are a number of comments against this series that are much more genuinely stupid than I was pretending to be.

I know what the comic is based on, and I also know that perverted and non-consensual scenes are necessary for what's trying to be accomplished. People who bash it for those reasons just can't recognize a good story underneath it.

GarethGobulcoque said:
I was making that suggestion with immense sarcasm. I'm not surprised you didn't catch it, since I'm sure there are a number of comments against this series that are much more genuinely stupid than I was pretending to be.

I know what the comic is based on, and I also know that perverted and non-consensual scenes are necessary for what's trying to be accomplished. People who bash it for those reasons just can't recognize a good story underneath it.
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Indeed. Additionally, sarcasm is difficult to decipher in text (no voice inflection). An entirely ludicrous statement could be typed with meaning when done so by the hands of an imbecile. Emotion is even more difficult. Capitalize a word or change the punctuation and one might give the appearance of being flustered whilst perfectly content.

All I can say is: This story is alright, but for my taste it's kinda horrible. Basically because I hate when females are horny to get fucked by a guy and then the guy turns out to be a douchebag. Meaning, this comic almost makes me mad, not at the artist, but Spike. It would be better if the ponies beated the crap out of spike and told him to fuck off cuz he was being a creepy bastard.

Now that would be hot.

GarethGobulcoque said:
Clearly the way the fans want it to go is for Spike to burst in and make his intentions known (over the course of a few pages), then Fluttershy puts up a great deal of resistance before submitting (again, no reason to rush this part), but before anything close to penetration occurs, Angel comes to her rescue and fight off Spike, who is never seen in the comic again, and the rest of it should be the two chastely discussing Fluttershy's introverted behavior and the personal problems that arise from it.

It's really quite obvious. Haven't you ever read a porn comic before?

HAHA, yeah XD

but seriously, maybe he has a good point. there's not all that much i can do to change the plot of this comic this late, but it's useful information for the next comic. there's also someone who feels i'm using Fluttershy's self-humiliation as a plot device instead of circumstantial characterization and someone who feels i'm being too explicit with angel even though no one knows what he's going to do.

you're clearly nice, but i've noticed that a lot of people on this site are affected by "i'm on this side of the computer screen and they can't get me if i'm mean to them" syndrome. =P

Maskarade said:
All I can say is: This story is alright, but for my taste it's kinda horrible. Basically because I hate when females are horny to get fucked by a guy and then the guy turns out to be a douchebag. Meaning, this comic almost makes me mad, not at the artist, but Spike. It would be better if the ponies beated the crap out of spike and told him to fuck off cuz he was being a creepy bastard.

Now that would be hot.

yeah, i agree completely. for what it's worth, spike being a douchebag even though everyone wants him is supposed to elicit exactly that frustrated emotion, but...

this comic could have been way better done. i'm locked into a plot i came up with almost a year ago and that is about the level of your average fanfiction. and, aside from that, it wasn't planned out right from the beginning because of the way it started with just a popular minicomic that we suddenly had to expand on. it's frustrating because i know i can do better than this.

TwilightStormshi said:
out of curiosity, what would you have me do to save it?

Even the cuteness of MLP can't overcome the downer IRL trifecta of rape, molestation and emotional intimidation to conceal said rape. The fact that it's introduced to a show that normally hemmorhages cute/positive emotions out of it's ponyhole probably makes it an even more intense contrast.

Some people find that the show strokes a deep emotional nerve and want the sexualized third party material to carry those exact emotions. And while I've never seen an episode of MLP (I have catholic/furry issues) I'm pretty sure there's no episode where everyone learns an important lesson about rape and hiding the evidence.

But since it's in-character anyway (or at least, in-character for a specific episode's plot device) and you're enjoying writing it, I say don't sweat it. Life would be boring without variation. For everyone who experience an emotional schizm there are others who just go right on clopping.

Kitsune Youkai's art has come a long way in the few years I've seen her stuff floating around and you seem to care/know enough about the characters to put some real thought and effort into grounding the story in the series' canon.

So don't sweat it! You're both doing fine. Stay positive and keep at it. Or as Baz Lurhman said in that advice-laiden one-hit wonder he wrote:

"Remember complements you receive,
forget the insults,
if you succeed in doing this,
tell me how."

Cheers. =)

RainbowShitStorm said:
^^^ those things up there ^^^

yeah = ) i know. thank you very much for the vote of confidence, but my response to JackthePlaid was less "oh lordie i fucked up!" and more trying not to say, "i bet you're just gonna complain about spike not being the way you expected him."

anyway, he may really have had a good idea too. how do i know? a lot of people are just shit at expressing themselves.

i super-duper try to make it in character, but that's super-duper hard because sex isn't discussed in the show, so i have no reference. and yeah, kit's gotten quite good! =D kit's male, by the way =P

aside from -all- the comments made, positive and negative, about dyo, kit and i have decided that we don't much like doing comics on dark subjects. it just isn't our style, and we discovered that through this comic. our future comics will be upbeat, we think.

as for my prose writing style, though... wow, can it get dark. it's unfortunate that i can't sit down and finish a story where i'm really trying my best cuz i'd blow some people's socks off. *blatantly strokes her own horn* also my name has nothing to do with twilight sparkle, in case that's what i just suggested. =P

It's not being out-of-character that gets me, but just the plot-twist overall. If I were to take this comic now and rewrite it to my enjoyment, I would go back to where AB suddenly tells Spike to stop, and change that to her suddenly realizing they might get caught, and then her letting Spike convince her they won't. That keeps the art mostly the same while getting rid of the rape.

Then I would slightly change Spike's dialogue: Instead of him being nasty about fucking all of Ponyville, it'd be kid-in-a-candy-store eagerness. Let him stay more in control of himself during his greed-phase than he did in the show: Instead of being wild and untameable, let him just go wild and release his inhibitions (becoming aggressive but not uncontrollable).

That's how I would rather the plot go: Let him fuck everybody, but let it be consensual, either reluctantly or eagerly, but focus more on "dragon suddenly realizes females all-over are open and willing so dive right in" rather than trying to make some sort of social commentary in a porn comic.

I don't know where you are going with the next few pages, but it's fairly obvious you're probably going to have him rape Fluttershy too. It's not too late to ret-con a little less douchebaggery for Spike and turn it into a calmer clop-comic, you know: While he did rape AB in effect, it's not reconcileable, since she did actually want him at the beginning, and with some calm, understanding conversation (after Spike gets back to normal, obviously) I'd expect she'd not have much trouble forgiving him and going back to being friends.

Just sweep a little of Spike's dialogue under the rug and put a table over it so nobody trips, and you could just forget the whole "Spike rapes and faces consequences" angle and just let it be nice porn.

Foobaria said:
^^^ those things up there ^^^

so... basically, you don't like the point of the comic and how serious everything is compared to the show? ok, i can understand.

i know you were just saying, "here's what i would do if i were in charge," but i'd like to take the chance to respond to those who think your suggestion is actually a better way for the comic to go.

it's the line "she'd not have much trouble forgiving him" that bothers me. i want her to have trouble forgiving him. i want them all to have trouble forgiving him.

when i was considering using Secret of My Excess as the comic's basis, i couldn't get past the idea that the resolution of that episode was so facile. when the wonderbolts got fucking crushed against a rock face but just stumble out after it's all over in fine cartoon style, i started to think about it.

the thing that got me was that rarity basically yells at spike in an attempt to turn him back, which, in reality, is a really mean and ineffective way to handle someone that's gone crazy in front of you. yet, in the episode, it works! why? ...though she does appeal to the generosity and goodness of heart he had as a baby dragon (and that seems like what really turns him back), she does it in an exaggerated and calculated manner that's based more on her lust for the jewel he gave her and saving her own skin than her desire to see -him- return to normal. nevertheless, spike dutifully follows the plot of the episode and turns back.

despite spike's conscience miraculously winning over his greed--and despite him confessing to rarity, there can't be love in a children's show, so rarity shushes him and patronizes him with a kiss on the cheek later so she can get the jewel -and- can continue ignoring him at her discretion. yet she presents it to spike as if giving her whatever she wants is a very grown up thing for him to do. she tricks him, then she proceeds to treat him like a child and make light of his feelings for the rest of the second season, but no one notices because we were just all expecting that outcome; everyone knows he's never going to get her; that's the trope. the series asks the audience to treat it as if that were just ok. as if women just -do- get to do whatever they want to boys, and that becomes the moral of the episode. rather than teaching us that having too much greed is wrong because we'll get what we want if we're patient (which the kiss was -meant- to show), it instead teaches us that we can NEVER get what we want and just have to accept it because some people are just bitches.

even the earlier sections where spike is a teenager and kind of in control of himself also aren't... natural. they contrive a relationship between spike and twilight that those two just wouldn't have just to help make the point the episode is trying to make. spike is ashamed of himself sitting in the doctor's office as if he'd been trained by twilight. then twilight tricks him and leads him away from the CMC. she doesn't even try to get his attention and talk him down. there's none of the respect they MUST have for each other as foster parent and child. sure, he's chasing her, but that's because she's baiting him. it's absolutely ridiculous.

my reaction? "this is bullshit. even if it's a children's show, the tactic it's taking to keep their happy little world alive is slipping all these shortcuts in under the radar, simply ignoring the rational reactions of the characters. spike gets tricked and doesn't care because that's the plot. the mane 6 are willing able to trick him because that's the plot. the show treats it like: spike is doing something wrong, so it's absolutely ok to not pay attention to his feelings. again, because it's a children's show, there has to be a bad guy, and the good guys have to overcome him in a way that teaches a valuable lesson. but come on. spike didn't suddenly become a dumb, stupid rock. obviously! because he changes back due to his -own- realization. no matter which way you look at it, the episode's plot holes and characterization mistakes on -both- sides surrounding how spike is treated are evident. if i'm going to use this idea... i'm already adding sex to the world, an incredibly adult topic... why not make the whole thing adult and treat things as they would happen if these were real people not children's toys?"

don't get me wrong, i like the characters in MLP as stereotypes, and i LOVE children's shows (as long as they have plot). but i'm not writing a children's show. i'm making an effort to put a little more consequence--in general--into the world of equestria. i said, "let's start with spike doing these nasty things... then have the mane 6 react to that how they did in the show, by treating him as if he were a dumb rock... but then how about that -doesn't- work and they have to find a real solution together if they're going to continue being friends? that sounds like it might portray the moral of that episode much nicer." beyond that, i wanted to make the characters immune to the type of contrivences they suffered in the show. i wanted to bring out elements of their personalities as if those elements actually affected things. where bad parts of their personalities would cause bad things to happen. and where good parts would cause good things to happen.

for example, twilight can't put 2&2 together sometimes even though things are right in front of her nose [feeling pinkie keen, spike at your service]. she just thinks she's giving spike a gift in the beginning when she turns into a dragon and lays him. but she gets herself into a relationship she clearly doesn't know how to handle, letting pinkie give him a lapdance and letting him stay out late at night.

spike's a nice guy, but he's a dragon growing up in a town full of ponies. he has serious identity quandaries [dragon quest] and rage issues [owl's well that ends well] that stem from being adopted. he doesn't get what he wants on his birthday and decides to take it instead--without heed for others' feelings. while the show pussyfooted around that last part, i was determined not to.

the other ponies have serious problems too, which i won't go into right now, but the idea is the same. i thought, "this damn show is all about friendship, yet where are the real tests of friendship? that's what the plot episodes are -supposed- to be about, right? where the mane 6 team up and use the power of friendship to overcome the problems in each other's personalities and defeat the bad guy? but the plot episodes are lame because of how contrived they feel. and they have to feel that way because the writers are straining to put in a test of friendship that they can't really go all out with! ...but i can REALLY put their friendship to the test!

here's the thing. the show's plot episodes try to deal with the darker parts of kids' lives too. Sombra was depression. Chrysalis was jealousy. Discord was confusion and doubt. Nightmare Moon was fear. that's clear if you go back and think about what the villains actually did. but that metaphors never got across to me -as i was watching the episodes-. they were just bad guys for the sake of being bad guys.

"so here's what i'm gonna do," i thought. "i'm not gonna have a bad guy. maybe there's a guy who's bad [spike], but there's not gonna be an evil villain. instead, because i have access to an exclusively adult audience, i'm gonna make the villain more subtle. require thought on the viewer's part to uncover. i'm gonna make the villain a concept: losing control. though it's spike who loses control, he himself is not the villain. and i'm gonna see if the mane 6 (and especially his new girlfriend!) will defeat the villain by seeing spike behind his faults."

clearly, i failed to do that. while there are a lot of people who absolutely love my plot and want to see it concluded--and there are even some who understand completely what's going on--there are also people who think of mlp as that show with only stereotypes and happy plots, and they weren't ready to accept the same characters placed in a situation that seriously threatened them and brought in darkness from the real world. furthermore, a lot of people -did- end up seeing spike himself as the bad guy instead of the insanity he was being affected by. i've gotten lots of comments like "this is a weird, twisted world" and "i can't see spike as spike anymore." it honestly makes me sad because there is a -lot- of fanfiction that does exactly this thing that i'm trying to do. but when pictures are put to it, people seem to recognize better how different it is (intentionally) from the show and suddenly remember they have a problem with that.

long story short, i'm not going to sweep any dialogue under the rug in an effort to cut down on the severity of spike's actions. that completely ruins the story i'm trying to tell since it makes it so it's not a very difficult test of friendship at all! i'm not trying to make this "nice porn." and yes, it is a bit of societal commentary--which i think has already been successful in these past few pages' comments. just take a look at how afraid of rape people are and how eager they are to hang people convicted of rape. to the point where there's no longer any grey area of "how intentional was the act? how willing is the rapist to reform? how willing is the victim to forgive him and accept him?" when everyone and their mother wants to help rape victims except when the victim's wish, in full conscience, is to forgive their rapist, that makes me think it's a sad world indeed. you can see a lot of people just closing the book, determining, "rape is evil. i'm done." people just wanna get angry and do what they wanna do, just like spike on a rampage. i really, really hope that the mane 6 can be kinder to spike than a good half of e621 commenters.

above all! this is a porn comic and aims to satisfy people's fetishes. i've heard from a lot of people who want to see spike rape rarity and/or fluttershy. i've seen people who want the mane 6 to beat spike or cut off his dick for what he's done. i've seen a lot of people who think spike taking advantage of applebloom and spying on fluttershy is hot. RainbowShitStorm is right: "For everyone who experience an emotional schizm there are others who just go right on clopping."

TwilightStormshi said:
mahy interesting things

Two comments.

1) I completely disagree with your characterization of both Spike and Rarity during the moment just before he turned back. Rarity actually felt care for Spike because of the jewel (keeping in mind that Rarity did not actually realize that was Spike at the time), and I base this on the fact that, as they were falling, Spike tried to confess his feelings to her and she prevented him from doing it with a sad smile. She was basically saying "I do like you, Spike, but I can never feel for you the way you want me to feel for you. If we simply say nothing, we can continue to pretend, but if you force me to answer you, I have to turn you down. So I don't want you to tell me, because I want to keep pretending too."

2) Not "ready to accept" how you've recharacterized them is not the same as "unwilling to accept" or "not wanting to accept". If I must categorize the people who don't like what you've done, I would list first the people who are against harassment and rape on principle, then those who want to preserve the cartoony nature of the show while adding in the sexiness, and then people like me, for whom a little story can make porn more fun (like The Usual) but who find this darkness to be just obtrusive.

I give you a solid point for the dedication it takes to write so many paragraphs on an imageboard, though. But you oversimplified when you said "a -lot- of fanfiction [...] does exactly this thing [...] but when pictures are put to it [... they] suddenly remember they have a problem with that": You're forgetting one core element: Very little of the fanfiction you just described is porn. Some has no sexual content at all, some has sexual content as a narrative tool, and a little bit is porn, sure, but you'll find that the stuff that is not porn is the stuff that's actually successful as story.

This comic is porn. Flat-out fetishizing jack-off material. Smut: Dirty, filthy, nicely-drawn smut. I think that's a good thing. But you are trying to pound a nail into a board by hitting it with a rock held in the beak of a rubber chicken. If you really wanted to tell this story, there would be much less sex and much more story, and the sex would just be part of the story.

What you are trying to do is put story into sex. That's why it's not fitting very well. Sure, there are plenty of people who like what you're doing: On the Internet, there are so many people and so many opinions, you can put absolutely anything about anything with anything on it and you will find people who like it. And maybe that's enough for you; You do continue to get donations, after all.

But fundamentally, it's the schism that you're doing two things at the same time: Making porn and telling a story. It's a two-headed ogre trying to walk in two different directions. It's like a cheeseburger and a pizza mixed together in a blender: It's not actually either of those things, even though the components of both are present.

Foobaria said:
It's not being out-of-character that gets me, but just the plot-twist overall. If I were to take this comic now and rewrite it to my enjoyment, I would go back to where AB suddenly tells Spike to stop, and change that to her suddenly realizing they might get caught, and then her letting Spike convince her they won't. That keeps the art mostly the same while getting rid of the rape.

Then I would slightly change Spike's dialogue: Instead of him being nasty about fucking all of Ponyville, it'd be kid-in-a-candy-store eagerness. Let him stay more in control of himself during his greed-phase than he did in the show: Instead of being wild and untameable, let him just go wild and release his inhibitions (becoming aggressive but not uncontrollable).

That's how I would rather the plot go: Let him fuck everybody, but let it be consensual, either reluctantly or eagerly, but focus more on "dragon suddenly realizes females all-over are open and willing so dive right in" rather than trying to make some sort of social commentary in a porn comic.

I don't know where you are going with the next few pages, but it's fairly obvious you're probably going to have him rape Fluttershy too. It's not too late to ret-con a little less douchebaggery for Spike and turn it into a calmer clop-comic, you know: While he did rape AB in effect, it's not reconcileable, since she did actually want him at the beginning, and with some calm, understanding conversation (after Spike gets back to normal, obviously) I'd expect she'd not have much trouble forgiving him and going back to being friends.

Just sweep a little of Spike's dialogue under the rug and put a table over it so nobody trips, and you could just forget the whole "Spike rapes and faces consequences" angle and just let it be nice porn.

To late and to tired to read this. Could someone shorten it for me?

@IloveMalice>

Here, it's a haiku of that post:

*clears throat*

Less douche-dragon text,
Go Japan style: Its not
rape, It's suprise sex! :D

(Also dually noted on the gender mix-up.)

SpiralFractalGecko said:
Less douche-dragon text,
Go Japan style: Its not
rape, It's suprise sex! :D

That's not even close to what I said.

Foobaria said:
a smart thing

well, i guess i agree. =P your point #1 is, i'm sure, the more normal reaction to the episode, but my interpretation is still where the comic came from =P

as for point #2, yeah, i know =P but it's still a good point. it frustrates me that porn either has to be a story with sex in it (in which case there's not enough sex for people to paw to) or sex without story (in which case either there's not enough plot to make it good or the plot is obviously constructed to make the sex happen and provide the reader with exactly the feeling they want). i was trying to hit a balance where the story depended on sex but wasn't -about- it, but, like i said, i failed. kit and i are still figuring out our style together.

BUT, like you said, there are lots of people who like it, and i have nothing against people who don't. my characterizations of people are never meant to be mean or prejudiced. we -are- still getting enough in donations, and this comic -did- make kit and me popular enough to try again with more comics. kit and i both improved solidly during this comic, so it wasn't bad as a new team's first project. and, i'm sure, since it is the internet and all, the moment we come out with something amazing, any debate over this comic will seem like it happened 100000000 years ago.

kit and i agreed from the beginning: this is practice. and that's how we've been treating it. and it's really, really helped, especially because we've been listening to everyone's opinions on it.

SpiralFractalGecko said:

Less douche-dragon text,
Go Japan style: Its not
rape, It's suprise sex! :D

lolololol, i guess it wasn't a good summary, but it still made me grin. =3

well i just want to say that all the rape thing is rainbow dashes fault because she said they would all give him some under "certain" conditions.

Cloudreaper said:
a sandwich of stupidity

ProTip: Person A can't give you permission to do person B without person B having a say in the matter.

Cloudreaper said:
a thing

it's not her -fault-, exactly. but it is important. spike misinterpreted what she said. you'll see what i mean about page 52.

TwilightStormshi said:
out of curiosity, what would you have me do to save it?

Unless you've got a time machine that'll let you go back in time and remove the majority of the comic from existence, you're not going to be able to save it. That's why it's a trainwreck. Just stop the damn project and move onto something else that isn't so batshit horrible.

Foobaria said:
A casserole of cluelessness

Hint: Spike is a baby dragon.

DrHorse said:
a noodle of knowledge

yeah. once i establish a reputation as a good writer, people will complain far less =P probably.

Angel: "Here I come to save the day!"

DrHorse said:
a bushel of of irrelevance

So? Human-age equivalence, he's probably around 8 or 9. What has that to do with anything I said?

Foobaria said:
i'm tired of wit

i think he meant that my characterization of spike was pretty decent because i'm actually making him act immature? not entirely sure, though.

AshuraK said:
Angel: "Here I come to save the day!"

yeah <3 fluttershy is his caretaker after all =3

with you explaining what you were going for with the story, as well as your inspiration, Stormshi, I understand what is going on a lot better now.

You may have posted it earlier, but I never realized you were shooting for a serious storyline. I was fully under the impression that you two were just making a porn comic and just creating situations for more porn. The fact that things seem to happen rather quickly for the first 20-25 pages or so contributed to that as well.

After reading that bloody novel you wrote up there, I have a much better understanding of what's going on now, and I can respect your writing ability a lot more now.

Sadly, Rarity is my favorite pony, and you and I seem to have rather different views on her personality and how she is. I may be incorrect, but I get the impression that you dislike her, and as such, I expect the way that you will present her part of the storyline will make me rage. XD

Granted, I could be wrong. I'm tired, so I dunno.

TwilightStormshi said:
yeah <3 fluttershy is his caretaker after all =3

Angel is an arrogant and abusive little shit who deserves to go full-body bald, but Fluttershy seems to want him around, so I can't argue.

Sytakan said:
rich rarity recollections

i do dislike her =/ but she has her good and bad points just like everypony else and i would never punish her in my writing for personal reasons. in fact, rarity is a very important part of this story, which you'll see on about page 48 then again from 57-60. she'll also be one of the mares who isn't portrayed in a shameful light--since she controls herself (which she is very good at) and doesn't give in to her body's urges.

...actually, that came out wrong. i'm not trying to shame the other mares either. the point of this comic isn't to make anyone think sex itself is shameful, and i hope it doesn't end up doing that. i love sex! =p spike and his mares got a lot of awesome, mutual pleasure out of sex--up until he changed, that is, and it remains a fact that that pleasure occurred. this -is- still intended to be a clop comic =P and since everything will turn out happily for everyone [spike and the mares] in the end, hopefully viewers won't be ashamed or sad clopping to any part of this comic!

what i meant was that the mares did things that they themselves will probably be ashamed of later: twilight breeding with spike before she was ready for it, rd confessing to him, pinkie baiting him, ab having her first time out of passion instead of love even though she was warned, fluttershy choosing to clop at that moment when she happened to be being watched even though she didn't know it.

i'm glad you understand better now... the first ~25 pages were really fast; we weren't quite sure of what we were doing yet, kit and i. maybe a full explanation is something i should have given from the beginning! (though i firmly believe that really good writing stands on its own and is fully evident to its reader, meaning i could have done tons better.) i hope the way i portray rarity doesn't piss you off at all; i'll try my best!

by the way, important if you're a rarity lover: beware pages 46-47 because spike will have a rape fantasy about her that we'll portray explicitly. these pages are also important for plot, so you might want to look anyway, but just brace yourself. it'll all be okay.

Honestly if it were up to me id have spike hung by his entrails and paraded throughout canterlot city. Likely with his head burning on a pike. It was amuseing untill applebloom. ...then you crossed the line. I hope the annoying rabbit gets him caught. then let aj or even big mac get even with him. Seriously dude, a kid? That was fked up.

My newyears resolution was to get double my followers on youtube (which would bring me to twenty) and to actually contribute to the MLP fandom with some fanart. Im not sexual interested in this comic but i do like the story and the art and the effect its had on other people, i hope i can accomplish my goal and make something this year that people will remember.

EndlessNightmare said:
Honestly if it were up to me id have spike hung by his entrails and paraded throughout canterlot city. Likely with his head burning on a pike. It was amuseing untill applebloom. ...then you crossed the line. I hope the annoying rabbit gets him caught. then let aj or even big mac get even with him. Seriously dude, a kid? That was fked up.

Thought that myself until I realized how much of a dick I was. Honestly, TwilightStormshi has done their part in being a good author and eliciting emotions from us. While I don't support their choices with Spike, I don't think we should be chastising an author just because they made us angry via a character. That's like being angry at a sock puppet, when all he's doing is being controlled by the puppeteer. If you don't like TwilightStormshi, then base it off of something realistic, not Spike's actions. True, he wrote Spike's part, but that doesn't make TwilightStormshi a bad person; it makes Spike the bad dragon.
And on last note, true, Spike is a young dragon. But Apple Bloom is a young pony. It's not right, but it's not as bad as if say... Big Mac had sex with her.

1. jesus, look how big her clit is.

2.if fluttershy lesbian? fantasizing about RD and all.

3. spike will eat that rabbit.

ipwnlocks said:
1. jesus, look how big her clit is.

2.if fluttershy lesbian? fantasizing about RD and all.

3. spike will eat that rabbit.

1. yup, equines have laaaaaaarge clits. the clit popping out from inside, just like the slit shape, was a compromise between kit and me. he wanted everything super furry-cartoony, and i wanted everything super zoo-realistic. in the end, i got a lot of the slit shape i wanted (like the curve at the bottom), and their clit buttons pop out instead of their pussies winking because kit hated drawing winking =P

2. fluttershy is lesbian and is out to all her friends. ...in this comic's canon. by which i mean, we might still make an alternate ending where spike comes in and makes fluttershy beg for his dragon dick =P

3. he's not a greed!adult yet (still a greed!teen), so he still has some self control. that's why he didn't break in in the first place! =3

twilightstormshi said: many things

Well Twi and Kat, I am thoroughly enjoying this comic and now see the bigger picture you are trying to paint, and I love it. You see, I am bored by standard, run-of-the-mill everything and fight being generic in most everything I do. This comic has provided a deeper meaning that some don't want to accept for whatever their well thought out reason may be, witch is fine. I for one accept it and wish for you to continue.

Absolutely Fucking EVERYONE said:
WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS,...

Sorry, but this comments section annoyed me so much I came out of hiding/woodwork just to address this TL;DR nonsense.

WHY DON'T YOU GET A FORUM??? Y'know, to discuss the comic/future comics and whatnot? I've been lurking and watching this comic since its inception, and I'm very pleased with it so far. I've even noticed Twilightstormshi taking advice and discussing things with readers in comments.

So far, this has all been concise, positive, and pleasant. In this page however, things seem to have gotten out of hand. I'm honestly surprised T'Stormshi couldn't tell that GarethGobulcoque was being sarcastic, but that seemed to trigger this little wall-o-comment spam.

I know i'm not helping the issue here with my comment, and i'm certain a lot of whats being discussed is useful/helpful. [at least I hope it is.] It'd just be nice not to see the comments in such a horrifying mess. ლ(ಠ_ಠ ლ)

HOLY SHIT SHUT THE EFF UP AND CLOP >.< NO ONE ASKED FOR A BLOG IN THE MIDDLE OF e621!!!!!

SpiralFractalGecko said:
@IloveMalice>

Here, it's a haiku of that post:

*clears throat*

Less douche-dragon text,
Go Japan style: Its not
rape, It's suprise sex! :D

(Also dually noted on the gender mix-up.)

thank... *fell asleep*
*next afternoon* ...you .