So he's a cuntboy? Nice.

joemomma69 said:
So he's a cuntboy? Nice.

I think the term you're looking for here is trans man :3

catsarecute said:
I think the term you're looking for here is trans man :3

More like he got driven like a Trans-Am.

Please someone explain meeee why is Andy having fun with his roomate and friend's crush !!!

catsarecute said:
I think the term you're looking for here is trans man :3

Why are people downvoting this, you're saying the right thing

catsarecute said:
I think the term you're looking for here is trans man :3

the term "Cuntboy" isn't wrong. It was even used and a tag on e6 for quite some time before they changed it.

Thought he was completely crushing Andy on that second panel 🤣

volpfox said:
Thought he was completely crushing Andy on that second panel 🤣

By all means he should be based on the phones location.

anakira said:
Well cuntboy is kind of rude?? Yk??

I honestly don't think it's rude, it's not a transphobic term afaik, after all I'm not misgendering him. Sure, some people might have some problems with it but you can't please everybody.

anakira said:
Well cuntboy is kind of rude?? Yk??

I thought cuntboy was nothing more than a word to describe the content, same with dickgirl.
On a site like e621, it seems more fitting considering the whole tag what you see thing.
Also, I have seen it used to describe or give a viewer an idea of the content, more than it being used as an insult or derogatory term.
That's not to say that it can't be an insult, but more so that it seems more commonly used to describe content rather than an insult.

Finally getting to see Andy in all his glory. Glad to see it happen. Amazing work as always Zaush.

splitz said:
I thought cuntboy was nothing more than a word to describe the content, same with dickgirl.
On a site like e621, it seems more fitting considering the whole tag what you see thing.
Also, I have seen it used to describe or give a viewer an idea of the content, more than it being used as an insult or derogatory term.
That's not to say that it can't be an insult, but more so that it seems more commonly used to describe content rather than an insult.

Some things aren't like, directly an insult but they're more... Inconsiderate? There's a reason E6 moved to using gynomorph/andromorph. Same function, more professional, and overall feels like referring to the person/character for more than just their sexual use.

skies said:
Some things aren't like, directly an insult but they're more... Inconsiderate? There's a reason E6 moved to using gynomorph/andromorph. Same function, more professional, and overall feels like referring to the person/character for more than just their sexual use.

Both labels are synonymous. Because of that, I respectfully disagree that it refers to the character for more than their sexual use. Both labels server the purpose of describing body and genitals, which says nothing about the character itself, and only about the body.

(Opinion & preference.> Skip if you don't care)
Personally, if I had said type of body, I would prefer to be called a cuntboy, intersex, or something else. Andromorph is too scientific of a word. Andromorph itself means "man shape" when translated to English. Man-shape alone sounds better IMO. Greek and Latin are used for science. If a doctor calls me an andromorph, that's one thing. Otherwise, I would prefer a term that actually makes sense colloquially in the language spoken. This is mostly a social thing. People assume that a scientific sounding word means some terrible condition or something negative. An example would be if someone called you a Homo sapien instead of a human. It's dehumanizing. It feels dehumanizing. I fully understand if you would prefer it over a curse word though. That's just my preference though.

pibblepunk said:
And they changed it for a fucking reason, cunt.

Thanks for the "How not to respond 101".

splitz said:
I thought cuntboy was nothing more than a word to describe the content, same with dickgirl.
On a site like e621, it seems more fitting considering the whole tag what you see thing.
Also, I have seen it used to describe or give a viewer an idea of the content, more than it being used as an insult or derogatory term.
That's not to say that it can't be an insult, but more so that it seems more commonly used to describe content rather than an insult.

I like the way you put it. It is useful for tagging content on e6, because something like "trans man/woman" is not specific enough. But also it can be hurtful to people in real life, so you should be careful about using it anywhere other than e621.

that second panel is confusing me a little... Like he's crushing Andy while getting the phone.

joemomma69 said:
I honestly don't think it's rude, it's not a transphobic term afaik, after all I'm not misgendering him. Sure, some people might have some problems with it but you can't please everybody.

yuppers

So the term "cuntboy " is now a no-no? It is used as a tag here.

To settle this silly argument everyone's having:

1. Treat other people as "they" would like to be treated.
2. Just because you dislike the term, doesn't mean that you should impose your point of view upon everyone else.
3. Don't try to speak for another person's perspective. Respect people's points of view by letting them vouch for their own opinions.

Lastly, on a final note: some people are okay with the term "cuntboy". Others aren't, but that's completely fine. In the end, it's down to the individual to determine how certain language is used towards them.

e.g. A male with a vagina (could be trans, intersex or nonbinary) could be okay with the term "cuntboy". However, say one day their friend notices somebody calling them that and begins an argument about its offensiveness - even though the person is not offended themselves. The issue here is the person's friend is creating the sensation of offensiveness received from the term, as though "they ought to be offended by it". This is a potentially indirect, unintended effect of trying to support the individual by creating unwanted problems for them. This isn't welcome behaviour, although we can admire the friend's willingness to step up to defend the person.

In a flipside situation, in the case where the individual is offended by the use of the term - it should mutually be agreed that "they" are not called a "cuntboy" as a gesture of respect. However, this does not mean the same rule must be applied to everyone else. Some people might like being called a "cuntboy", why negate from their description of self in an effort to appease "other people"? Treat people as individuals and adapt language to the individual, do not censor language on a collective scale because it does as much "harm" as it does "good".

Thank you to those who have read this through. ♥

imakandilion said:
So the term "cuntboy " is now a no-no? It is used as a tag here.

The term is acceptable whenever the individuals it is in reference to are okay with its usage. In this instance, Andy's identity hasn't actually been specified yet so we're open to our own interpretations until Zaush gives us a better idea.

Nobody should be getting upset over the gender identity or personal identifiers of a fictional character that nobody actually knows the officially designated gender of! What anybody chooses to call Andy should not backfire against anyone because the character cannot be offended by it.

Furthermore, if you are offended by how another individual is addressed in such an instance, then you need to take a step back and think about this: why should it matter to you? If there is a similarity between the individual of reference and yourself, then you are effectively trying to empathise with the individual by "being in their shoes" and are giving your own interpretation to how "you would feel" in their situation.

However, you are not them.

Displace yourself from that situation and recognise yourself as being only indirectly affected. "I don't think/like that they're being called that." May be your present thought, but the response is simply "They might feel differently. Don't choose their problems for them. Let them decide for themselves what their problems are, and don't disrespect their independence by enacting the authority they themselves can be - for themselves."

The only situation that excludes these rules is when: a) you know this person enough to understand that they do not like being addressed as such, and b) you know this person well enough to understand that they are incapable of being open about such feelings and/or are incapable of acting as their own authority to stand up for how they feel they should be treated.

Once again, thank you to those who have read this. ♥

shady_wulf said:
"Treat other people as "they" would like to be treated."

This, as well as treating others as you would expect them to treat you.
Respect is not a one way street.

shady_wulf said:
"In this instance, Andy's identity hasn't actually been specified yet so we're open to our own interpretations until Zaush gives us a better idea."

Andy is a tomboy girl who, on the outside, passes for a gay boy. Everyone that knows them just calls them a boy.

twilight2049 said:
More like he got driven like a Trans-Am.

Gundam 00?

imakandilion said:
So the term "cuntboy " is now a no-no? It is used as a tag here.

It was changed to andromorph because people don’t like how harsh the word “cunt” sounds. It’s not necessarily a negative word, it just sounds bad. Like calling a Jewish person a “Jew” isn’t bad, it’s widely considered a proper thing to call them, but pronouncing it with a bad tone makes it offensive. “Cunt” is like this except there’s no polite or proper way to pronounce it to make it sound less bad simply because of the way it’s spelled.

Tl;dr “cuntboy” isn’t a bad word it just sounds bad and has the potential to hurt feelings because the word sounds nasty.

splitz said:
This, as well as treating others as you would expect them to treat you.
Respect is not a one way street.

Andy is a tomboy girl who, on the outside, passes for a gay boy. Everyone that knows them just calls them a boy.

So Andy isn't even a cuntboy or a trans-man, she's just a really guy like girl who's fine with being called a guy.

xcobaltrainx said:
It was changed to andromorph because people don’t like how harsh the word “cunt” sounds. It’s not necessarily a negative word, it just sounds bad. Like calling a Jewish person a “Jew” isn’t bad, it’s widely considered a proper thing to call them, but pronouncing it with a bad tone makes it offensive. “Cunt” is like this except there’s no polite or proper way to pronounce it to make it sound less bad simply because of the way it’s spelled.

Tl;dr “cuntboy” isn’t a bad word it just sounds bad and has the potential to hurt feelings because the word sounds nasty.

"Sounds bad" is subjective. People may feel differently, don't assume for other people's perspectives. Yes, you can say "Cunt" in a harsh pronunciation, but as a term "Cuntboy" isn't harsh. It can depend upon your accent as well.

splitz said:
I thought cuntboy was nothing more than a word to describe the content, same with dickgirl.
On a site like e621, it seems more fitting considering the whole tag what you see thing.
Also, I have seen it used to describe or give a viewer an idea of the content, more than it being used as an insult or derogatory term.
That's not to say that it can't be an insult, but more so that it seems more commonly used to describe content rather than an insult.

Depends.

Dickgirl describes a fantasy sex which can't/doesn't exist in reality (i.e., cis female character who has penis instead of a vagina through means like being born that way, a potion,magic spell, ect).
e621 uses/aliases it & related words in a purely physical/visual sense as per TWYS, similar to how some sites uses the term "shemale" to describe a character with a female body + penis, despite that categorization being completely unlinked to a character being transgender. Gynomorph encompasses both cis female with a penis (dickgirls) as well as MtF transwomen.

Assuming c-boy is the equivalent/inverse to dickgirl, e621 uses the word in a purely physical sense, but the term itself is not purely about what kind of body you have. It's about a specific concept.
Of course, this character has the tag trans_male so I don't think the discussion too relevant for this image. But I don't think it's appropriate to call someone that irl.

splitz said:
This, as well as treating others as you would expect them to treat you.
Respect is not a one way street.

"... as you would expect them to treat you"?

Right, there's an issue with this idea. It's based on the original "golden rule" which is:

"Treat others as ‘you’ would like to be treated."

This is an outdated social rule that was more-or-less replaced by the version that I've mentioned "...as ‘they’ would like to be treated." because in matters of empathy, we are not always the same - we don't necessarily wanted to be treated equally by everyone we know.

We may assume many things about how other people would like to be treated, based on our own experiences. However, this can trap us into inadvertently offending other people by assuming they want to be treated in the same way you desire social treatment from others.

For example, a male gendered person with a vagina who likes being called a "cuntboy" should not assume another person with such similarities is okay with being called such - just because they do.

There's also other examples, such as culture. "Where I'm from, we..." is another example. One hand gesture to one person may mean something entirely different to another. An IRL example I've experienced is where some people who originate from India tilt their head side to side as an affirmation, but in the UK, we give affirmation by nodding our heads. Because of how this gesture appears, it may seem as though the person is shaking their head or expressing uncertainty, causing confusion.

It is helpful to use the "golden rule" of empathy, but it has flaws. Nowadays, we've realised there are these flaws and have since invented the idea of the "platinum rule", as I like to call it.

"Treat other people as they would like to be treated." resolves the problem by asserting the need to actively participate in the understanding of how we exchange language. We should not be lazy and assume what is or isn't okay based off our own experiences. Rather, we should be responsible as individuals and assess our position and the positions of others in a social situation in order to create a sense of social harmony.

On a side note...

Respect is not a one way street. Mutual Respect and Tolerance is considered one of the nation's values here in the UK. To give a stable measure of respect to all individuals, even strangers and to people that you dislike/disagree with is key to ensuring a state of social harmony among people.

Without mutual respect, our experience of each other is as sure to be antagonistic and hostile as it'd be distrustful and anxious. To live through peace rather than create an atmosphere of fear creates an environment where we can collaborate/cooperate, offering safety and progress.

splitz said:
Andy is a tomboy girl who, on the outside, passes for a gay boy. Everyone that knows them just calls them a boy.

vallahd said:
So Andy isn't even a cuntboy or a trans-man, she's just a really guy like girl who's fine with being called a guy.

Thank you for this! I don't personally use Twitter so I never would have seen this otherwise.

Given this description, Andy has embraced male pronouns and outwardly portrays themselves as a male - so they express a male gender identity. Given their absence of physical breasts (flat-chested), their obvious sex, and the understanding that they've been identified as biologically female at birth from this description - the identifiers "transgender" applies mostly here but technically "andromorph" and/or "cuntboy" can be applied too.

popoto said:
Dickgirl describes a fantasy sex which can't/doesn't exist in reality (i.e., cis female character who has penis instead of a vagina through means like being born that way, a potion,ect).

This is an interesting point, but you should note that not all "cuntboy" identifying characters that we have in this fandom are simply "born as-is" or "transformed". Some even take the transgender approach, or consider themselves non-binary, some even became such by going through surgery in their backstory. Defining a cuntboy character based on how they've come to be is erroneous and misleading.

popoto said:
e621 uses/aliases it & related words in a purely physical/visual sense as per TWYS, similar to how some sites uses the term "shemale" to describe a character with a female body + penis, despite that categorization being completely unlinked to a character being transgender. Gynomorph encompasses both cis female with a penis (dickgirls) as well as FtM transwomen.

Assuming c-boy is the equivalent/inverse to dickgirl, e621 uses the word in a purely physical sense, but the term itself is not purely about what kind of body you have. It's about a specific concept.
Of course, this character has the tag trans_male so I don't think the discussion too relevant for this image.

TWYS is the ultimate rule here, and although you may think it's an irrelevant discussion to be had just because of the presence of a certain tag - you said it yourself: tag what you see means tagging what you see. We see a male identifying character with a typically flat-chest and a vagina. The andromorph/cuntboy tag is applicable here.

shady_wulf said:
This is an interesting point, but you should note that not all "cuntboy" identifying characters that we have in this fandom are simply "born as-is" or "transformed". Some even take the transgender approach, or consider themselves non-binary, some even became such by going through surgery in their backstory. Defining a cuntboy character based on how they've come to be is erroneous and misleading.

I was speaking in a larger context rather than specifically 621 or furries. As in, when speaking about futanari that's the concept people generally associate the words dickgirl with.

shady_wulf
TWYS is the ultimate rule here, and although you may think it's an irrelevant discussion to be had just because of the presence of a certain tag - you said it yourself: tag what you see means tagging what you see. We see a male identifying character with a typically flat-chest and a vagina. The andromorph/cuntboy tag is applicable here.

You're right. But as above, I was highlighting the difference between the concept itself and how e621 uses it. I was never arguing against that or any other tag/word being used.

popoto said:
I was speaking in a larger context rather than specifically 621 or furries. As in, when speaking about futanari that's the concept people generally associate the words dickgirl with.

You're right. But as above, I was highlighting the difference between the concept itself and how e621 uses it.

👍

shady_wulf said:

...However, say one day their friend notices somebody calling them that and begins an argument about its offensiveness - even though the person is not offended themselves. The issue here is the person's friend is creating the sensation of offensiveness received from the term, as though "they ought to be offended by it". This is a potentially indirect, unintended effect of trying to support the individual by creating unwanted problems for them. This isn't welcome behaviour, although we can admire the friend's willingness to step up to defend the person...

I had a friend who would try to come to my defense, get offended on my behalf, and try to start and fight battles for me. I wanted to bitch slap him every time he did this, so I firmly agree with the, "This isn't welcome behavior," part.

If people get offended, legitimately offended, let them voice it themselves. I don't care if people prefer cuntboy or trans man, if they want a particular label, then good for them. But being offended and insisting there should be blanket change because some people online disagree with the usage of one term is not only insulting to those who would actually be affected, but highly annoying to everyone else who is being talked down to for using what was originally a perfectly fine label.

shady_wulf said:
To settle this silly argument everyone's having:

1. Treat other people as "they" would like to be treated.
2. Just because you dislike the term, doesn't mean that you should impose your point of view upon everyone else.
3. Don't try to speak for another person's perspective. Respect people's points of view by letting them vouch for their own opinions.

Lastly, on a final note: some people are okay with the term "cuntboy". Others aren't, but that's completely fine. In the end, it's down to the individual to determine how certain language is used towards them.

e.g. A male with a vagina (could be trans, intersex or nonbinary) could be okay with the term "cuntboy". However, say one day their friend notices somebody calling them that and begins an argument about its offensiveness - even though the person is not offended themselves. The issue here is the person's friend is creating the sensation of offensiveness received from the term, as though "they ought to be offended by it". This is a potentially indirect, unintended effect of trying to support the individual by creating unwanted problems for them. This isn't welcome behaviour, although we can admire the friend's willingness to step up to defend the person.

In a flipside situation, in the case where the individual is offended by the use of the term - it should mutually be agreed that "they" are not called a "cuntboy" as a gesture of respect. However, this does not mean the same rule must be applied to everyone else. Some people might like being called a "cuntboy", why negate from their description of self in an effort to appease "other people"? Treat people as individuals and adapt language to the individual, do not censor language on a collective scale because it does as much "harm" as it does "good".

Thank you to those who have read this through. ♥
[Very well said, we whole heartedly agree with your deduction, sadly logic like this isnt as common as it should be]

twilight2049 said:
More like he got driven like a Trans-Am.

Sayin this right now. Your comment fucking deserved my upvote to make it 80. That was too perfect. XD

So the gay bar now becomes a straight bar?

huntress9 said:
Gundam 00?

trans-am is a car, bro.

catsarecute said:
I think the term you're looking for here is trans man :3

no i don't think so

so that otter was a female or rather trans male or trans female idk the proper term. either way zaush makes some hot cunts

joemomma69 said:
the term "Cuntboy" isn't wrong. It was even used and a tag on e6 for quite some time before they changed it.

i hate that change. now e6 just made tagging more confusing

the sun's coming up now as they look like they just finish so apart from me anyone else feel like we got cheated out of at least a good 12 pages of content? i wouldn't mind bonus pages of what we possibly missed out of them doing a all-nighter

I don’t know why I expected to see nuanced gender politics on e621

shady_wulf said:
To settle this silly argument everyone's having:

1. Treat other people as "they" would like to be treated.
2. Just because you dislike the term, doesn't mean that you should impose your point of view upon everyone else.
3. Don't try to speak for another person's perspective. Respect people's points of view by letting them vouch for their own opinions.

Lastly, on a final note: some people are okay with the term "cuntboy". Others aren't, but that's completely fine. In the end, it's down to the individual to determine how certain language is used towards them.

e.g. A male with a vagina (could be trans, intersex or nonbinary) could be okay with the term "cuntboy". However, say one day their friend notices somebody calling them that and begins an argument about its offensiveness - even though the person is not offended themselves. The issue here is the person's friend is creating the sensation of offensiveness received from the term, as though "they ought to be offended by it". This is a potentially indirect, unintended effect of trying to support the individual by creating unwanted problems for them. This isn't welcome behaviour, although we can admire the friend's willingness to step up to defend the person.

In a flipside situation, in the case where the individual is offended by the use of the term - it should mutually be agreed that "they" are not called a "cuntboy" as a gesture of respect. However, this does not mean the same rule must be applied to everyone else. Some people might like being called a "cuntboy", why negate from their description of self in an effort to appease "other people"? Treat people as individuals and adapt language to the individual, do not censor language on a collective scale because it does as much "harm" as it does "good".

Thank you to those who have read this through. ♥

This is a better explanation of how to give an argument/debate with others than my English course explained it. Odd to think I would learn something through e6 better than what I learned in a college class.

actually Zaush said she's a girl. a tomboy that acts like "a gay boy".

What about dickboys and cuntgirls?

uhg i love this comic but the pages take soooo looong to come out TnT

What the fuck happened to this comment section...

tianshee said:
What about dickboys and cuntgirls?

So would that become "androstatics" and "gynostatics"?
Honestly I really like the terms andromorph and gynomorph, they make sense in English and nobody reasonable would have a problem with them.

horixe said:
What the fuck happened to this comment section...

Oh, the usual. People looking to be offended and push their way of thinking on a fantasy porn site.

Oh dang the otter's a girl? Thought she was a flamboyant gay guy little otter, it's been so ambiguous until this page.

I'm so happy to see that this latest page was only two months ago. I'm super happy to see Zaush is still working on this comic.

We should probably just get rid of the whole idea of wording gender these days, it just leads to bunches of people shitting their beds anymore.

figo98 said:
Please someone explain meeee why is Andy having fun with his roomate and friend's crush !!!

Shitty story-writing

There you go.

catsarecute said:
I think the term you're looking for here is trans man :3

And.... What makes you think he's trans?
Andromorph's are a thing you know.
It seems very assumptive of you to assume someone is a trans male if they're manlike but have a slit.

joemomma69 said:
the term "Cuntboy" isn't wrong. It was even used and a tag on e6 for quite some time before they changed it.

And its still correct. There is a difference between Cuntboy/andromorphs and people who are trans.
Annoys me when People jump to tagging (assuming) their trans and not just "Like that".

If he defines himself as a "man", he's a cuntboy (a boy with a cunt, slang term for vulva).
If she defines herself as a "woman", she's a flat-chested female.
Both are legit, and he/she is a nice character within a good story (this far).
All these squabbles about the 6500+ different types of genders is tiresome.

shady_wulf said:
To settle this silly argument everyone's having:

1. Treat other people as "they" would like to be treated.
2. Just because you dislike the term, doesn't mean that you should impose your point of view upon everyone else.
3. Don't try to speak for another person's perspective. Respect people's points of view by letting them vouch for their own opinions.

Yeah, of course. If I see Neo-Nazis, I'll treat them like they want to be treated : A superior race. I'll not try to impose my point against their racism.
You're delusional. If someone tries to impose a twisted, perverted, conniving version of the reality, be it historical, political or biological, it's my DUTY to state they're WRONG.
FACTS matter, and your FEELINGS don't.

And NO NO NO "In the end, it's down to the individual to determine how certain language is used towards them." NOOOO! This task belongs to the society, and even the dictionary.

Cuntboy.

catsarecute said:
I think the term you're looking for here is trans man :3

more like vagentalman

lunacy2 said:
Oh dang the otter's a girl? Thought she was a flamboyant gay guy little otter, it's been so ambiguous until this page.

Actually not a girl. Andy is transgendered, specifically an andromorph which is a male with more feminine parts. He still goes by the he/him pronouns throughout the comic.

Zaush has recently stated on the IB page for the comic that Andy is a female tomboy pretending to be a gay guy, which is a stupid fucking retcon from being a trans man if you want me to be honest.
But either way, he's apparently not meant to be a trans man anymore but is now a girl. Again, it's stupid, but whatever ig.

Not trying to rehash the situation but I'm adding the ambiguous_gender tag what I see is someone who unless they told me what their gender was I'd be unsure. So I see Their gender as ambiguous. Therefore I tagged what I saw.