kris and susie (undertale (series) and etc) created by bigdad
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  • deltaruined said:
    Nonbinary erasure is a real issue. I know its porn and this is really hot but. In my opinion, unless it's genderswap art, what's the point of ignoring non-binary people?

    “i know it’s porn and no one cares, you should care!!”
    its porn jackass, you have better things to cry over

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  • Ok, I'm just going to ask.

    Is there ANYTHING to indicate Kris is non-binary in any OFFICIAL capacity beyond use of the word 'they'?

    Because I have always taken that to just be a way to let the player sort of decide for themselves what Kris's gender is.

    You know... like they did with Chara? And Frisk?

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  • kcrtp said:
    she does tho :P
    chapter 2 confirmed it

    if you give her the jevilstail, she makes a comment about how she thought she would grow one at some point. aka, she does not have a tail

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  • donnybrook said:
    Ok, I'm just going to ask.

    Is there ANYTHING to indicate Kris is non-binary in any OFFICIAL capacity beyond use of the word 'they'?

    Because I have always taken that to just be a way to let the player sort of decide for themselves what Kris's gender is.

    You know... like they did with Chara? And Frisk?

    well, other characters in undertale, like monster kid and napastablook, have "they" used for them, even in offical art books i believe, so I think that shows "they" has never been solely used for characters one projects on to, and kris is supposed to be separate from the player, thats an important theme of the game. with kris ripping out the heart to be free from the player.

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  • fluffydoodle said:
    well, other characters in undertale, like monster kid and napastablook, have "they" used for them, even in offical art books i believe, so I think that shows "they" has never been solely used for characters one projects on to, and kris is supposed to be separate from the player, thats an important theme of the game. with kris ripping out the heart to be free from the player.

    ...So there is nothing basically?

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  • donnybrook said:
    ...So there is nothing basically?

    perhaps, but where would it even be explicitly said, there isn't like a deltarune art book cause the game is still being made, toby also used they in interviews if thats anything, also excuse me if I came off as rude at all, that was not my intention

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  • fluffydoodle said:

    perhaps, but where would it even be explicitly said, there isn't like a deltarune art book cause the game is still being made, toby also used they in interviews if thats anything, also excuse me if I came off as rude at all, that was not my intention

    It's fine, and I also don't want to come off as rude or facetious, but I just get a little frustrated with people preaching this like it's the gospel truth when it is, in fact, extremely ambiguous.

    I have no doubt that Kris is officially referred to as 'they'. What I do doubt is the idea that they are explicitly non-binary, as opposed to having an undisclosed or ambiguous gender.

    As far as I'm concerned, Kris is whatever the player wants them to be, be that male, female, non-binary, transgendered, and so on. If it's ever stated in an official capacity that they are non-binary, then I'll be the first one to eat crow.

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  • duplicate_scound said:
    if you give her the jevilstail, she makes a comment about how she thought she would grow one at some point. aka, she does not have a tail

    In the scene with Susie and Noelle on the ferris wheel, it is revealed that Susie does have a tail, but she is embarrassed by it and hides it while telling/threatening people she doesn't have one.

    So clearly that jevilstail comment is her lying about growing a tail, as she is hiding the fact she already has a tail.

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  • deltaruined said:
    I dont really see how that makes me a jackass but whatever dude. yall are ridiculous

    dude chill just fap to the picture or go to a different one it's not that deep or complex

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  • The irony of people complaining about this not being "nonbinary" Kris is that it's inherently sexist to assume that someone who's nb can't have a dick. They're trying so hard to spread nb awareness that they played themselves.

    One of the reasons why e621 doesn't have a "nonbinary" or "trans" tags is because there's no way to look at a character and be like "yeah that's trans". The "male/female/gynomorph/etc." Tag assumptions are purely for the sake of categorizing what people want to see in porn, and to follow the "tag what you see" rule.

    Sure, Kris might be NB canonically, or maybe nb to the artist, but we have to put male tags because of the "tag what you see" rule.

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  • theultramagnus said:

    The irony of people complaining about this not being "nonbinary" Kris is that it's inherently sexist to assume that someone who's nb can't have a dick. They're trying so hard to spread nb awareness that they played themselves.

    One of the reasons why e621 don't have "nonbinary" or "trans" tags is because w there's no way to look at a character and be like "yeah that's trans". The "male/female/hynomorph/etc." Tag assumptions are purely for the sake of categorizing what people want to see in porn, and to follow the "tag what you see" rule.

    Sure, Kris might be NB canonically, or maybe nb to the artist, but we have to put male tags because of the "tag what you see" rule.

    Also I'm pretty shure it's the choice of the player

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  • This comment section is the epiphany of why the whole "use the correct pronouns" is bullshit. Language matters. If you cant describe something without fear of being "non inclusive" you are incapable of communicating with people.

    You do you. I'll do me. And if consenting lets do each other. Cause why not. Its the internet. And this is porn.

    Instead of crying take off your pants and whack off and flick whatever non-existing genitalia you may or may not have.

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  • theultramagnus said:
    The irony of people complaining about this not being "nonbinary" Kris is that it's inherently sexist to assume that someone who's nb can't have a dick. They're trying so hard to spread nb awareness that they played themselves.

    One of the reasons why e621 doesn't have a "nonbinary" or "trans" tags is because there's no way to look at a character and be like "yeah that's trans". The "male/female/gynomorph/etc." Tag assumptions are purely for the sake of categorizing what people want to see in porn, and to follow the "tag what you see" rule.

    Sure, Kris might be NB canonically, or maybe nb to the artist, but we have to put male tags because of the "tag what you see" rule.

    this, genitals =/= gender dudes and dudettes

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  • hellpad said:
    Also I'm pretty shure it's the choice of the player

    You are correct, thats why Kris and Frisk are “nb” in game.

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