Well, SOMETHING is going to get lost.

This guy backed out of the commission and asked for a refund after it was already finished and posted. What a douche

Syphon said:
This guy backed out of the commission and asked for a refund after it was already finished and posted. What a douche

Heh, totally. Sounds like a typical fur...

Syphon said:
This guy backed out of the commission and asked for a refund after it was already finished and posted. What a douche

misterv said:
Heh, totally. Sounds like a typical fur...

Actually if you read his record of notes, he didn't get any progress for a year and a half after sending the money (despite being promised a WIP in a month or so), and after contacting the artist a few times asking for progress, didn't even get a response. Then, all of a sudden, the artist posted the final result without the WIPs that were agreed upon, with critical features to the piece totally changed/missing just because the artist "didn't like them".

Then the artist didn't give a refund because they changed their terms of service after the commissioner complained, and cited how those critical features were now conveniently on her "no-go" list (despite her not notifying the commissioner as to this when the commission was taken). A refund was never issued, so the commissioner requested a chargeback, which he legally had the right to do. Not sure where it went from there.

I'm not saying either of them are good people (dog-bone has been involved in so much of this dramatic scam-artist shit that she's been blocked from FA entirely, and Phoenixe kind of rubs me the wrong way as well) but it would behoove you to actually do some research before immediately labeling one of them as a douche.

Keep in mind, one of the guys you're replying to is the guy who bought the edited version of this picture.

In this kind of situation, nobody who's close enough to the center to know all the facts is unbaised, so it all becomes he-said/she-said shite, but yeah, dog-bone doesn't have a brilliant reputation over it.

Snowmew said:
Actually if you read his record of notes, he didn't get any progress for a year and a half after sending the money (despite being promised a WIP in a month or so), and after contacting the artist a few times asking for progress, didn't even get a response. Then, all of a sudden, the artist posted the final result without the WIPs that were agreed upon, with critical features to the piece totally changed/missing just because the artist "didn't like them".

Then the artist didn't give a refund because they changed their terms of service after the commissioner complained, and cited how those critical features were now conveniently on her "no-go" list (despite her not notifying the commissioner as to this when the commission was taken). A refund was never issued, so the commissioner requested a chargeback, which he legally had the right to do. Not sure where it went from there.

I'm not saying either of them are good people (dog-bone has been involved in so much of this dramatic scam-artist shit that she's been blocked from FA entirely, and Phoenixe kind of rubs me the wrong way as well) but it would behoove you to actually do some research before immediately labeling one of them as a douche.

actually no he only waited about 3 months.my commission forms are only a few months old.
i told when i opened up for that whole list it said from early February to late june completion. and that was my 2013 commission queue list.

soo yeah who ever said they waited a year and a half is lieing.

and even IF they did wait a year they KNEW the time frame of completion (early feb to late june)

infact here is the time stamp of the commission form submission
http://i41.tinypic.com/b96kb8.png

and the whole changing my tos. no i didnt lol ive explained
my self about that already
i tried to copy past my tos to show him that i dont do hyper like he wanted but i can to it to the level of my likness
being borderline hyper
and since weasyls copy past thing from a journal made the text show up as blocks when pasted in to an email i had to go to the editable file thus giving people the idea that i changed the tos because of the journals new time stamp.

and in the tos they agreed to it says i dont give WIPs every time they ask for it
the last thing i showed them was the refined final sketch and i got the ok but there were some unseen revisions in the email i over looked.
i finished the image to what they had submitted in the forms
they got all hell bent about everything
but i ended up fixing what i could free of charge since they didnt even pay the full amount due to an error on my end.
they paid 160 for a 2 character full detail image
when they should have paid 185.

so yeah make sure you have your facts right :p

NevAreOh said some things

If a change is made to a commission it's common courtesy on the artist's behalf to provide a WIP to make sure the changes are suitable; not just stop responding and post a final rendition.

Also, if you made the error, you suffer the financial loss. That's how it works. You aren't allowed to simply say "fuck the contract you didn't pay the regular price so I'm going to just pretend it didn't happen".

What I'm saying is, legally, he had a right to initiate a chargeback. The commissioner refused the final product, you recovered your losses, and you two will probably never do business again. That doesn't make him a "douche" in any sense, as the two commenters above claimed. If it did, there would be a whole lot of people in accounts payable around the world that were "douches".

y u all getting so srs?

Snowmew said:
If a change is made to a commission it's common courtesy on the artist's behalf to provide a WIP to make sure the changes are suitable; not just stop responding and post a final rendition.

Also, if you made the error, you suffer the financial loss. That's how it works. You aren't allowed to simply say "fuck the contract you didn't pay the regular price so I'm going to just pretend it didn't happen".

What I'm saying is, legally, he had a right to initiate a chargeback. The commissioner refused the final product, you recovered your losses, and you two will probably never do business again. That doesn't make him a "douche" in any sense, as the two commenters above claimed. If it did, there would be a whole lot of people in accounts payable around the world that were "douches".

they agreed to a contract saying no FULL refunds are given if the image is completed. they agreed to that and it says so on the invoice contract. before the image was even started.
we were out of state so communication was off and on.
they also changed their idea around after the revised sketch.

all in all
i did what i could to make is as close as they wanted to the image besides the BG thats the only thing i didnt change.

and by (i) i mean dog bone

How the fuck was the original description supposed to work out anyway? There's no easy way to show that dildo thing and have them mashing their faces together at the same time without adding a cutaway, or making half of cat-man transparent.

(Both of which would look silly, I think.)

Pseudonym said:
How the fuck was the original description supposed to work out anyway? There's no easy way to show that dildo thing and have them mashing their faces together at the same time without adding a cutaway, or making half of cat-man transparent.

(Both of which would look silly, I think.)

thats exactly my point ! lol

Considering those prices you charge, a WiP would've been courteous either way . . .

That stag is gorgeous :D