Butterflies taste with their feet and actively seek out sweat and blood.
Enjoy summer, y'all.

tijuana_bob said:
Enjoy summer, y'all.

Thanks, you too :)

tijuana_bob said:
Butterflies taste with their feet and actively seek out sweat and blood.
Enjoy summer, y'all.

That's pretty metal

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anonthemouses said:
That's pretty metal

Maybe they're seeking out the iron in your blood?

who is that person believing this comic "doesn't meet the quality standards", I wonder?

tic_tic_tac said:
who is that person believing this comic "doesn't meet the quality standards", I wonder?

In all fairness this low effort comic getting approved while other objectively better artwork gets disapproved for not meeting minimum quality standards probably leaves a metallic taste in peoples mouths.

Why are they disapproving the strip? I understand it’s simple, but there’s a difference between minimalist and low quality. “Foxes in love” obviously takes inspiration from newspaper panels and strips, so it makes perfect sense for it be visually simple as that’s just the format. It’s like judging a haiku using short story criteria; it just doesn’t really work. What constitutes a quality newspaper strip is different from a stand alone image, and even in that case, art isn’t objectively better based on visual depth. Trout and Squishy are good examples of this, and are stylistically appealing despite their simpler presentation.

“Foxes in love” is a quality strip, albeit simple. I happen to like the jokes, and visually the comic is fine if not charming. The lines and shading are clean, and in this way the artist shows competence even if their product is less dense than larger scale pieces. The art style is simple, sure, but I wouldn’t consider it low quality enough to remove it.

versperus said:
In all fairness this low effort comic getting approved while other objectively better artwork gets disapproved for not meeting minimum quality standards probably leaves a metallic taste in peoples mouths.

Low effort? I bet you don't like XKCD either, since it's just "stick figures".

In reality, it takes skill and effort to create expressive and sympathetic characters using so few lines--it's called 'elegant simplicity'. The Parthenon is just a rectangle of columns holding up a roof, with few architectural flourishes, yet it is one of the most beautiful structures ever built. Sometimes, less is better.

Combine the brilliant art with the amazing insight into human nature and the comedy that arises naturally from the interaction of these two, and Foxes in Love isn't just one of the best things on e621, it's one of the best things on the internet.

aethelred said:
Low effort? I bet you don't like XKCD either, since it's just "stick figures".

In reality, it takes skill and effort to create expressive and sympathetic characters using so few lines--it's called 'elegant simplicity'. The Parthenon is just a rectangle of columns holding up a roof, with few architectural flourishes, yet it is one of the most beautiful structures ever built. Sometimes, less is better.

Combine the brilliant art with the amazing insight into human nature and the comedy that arises naturally from the interaction of these two, and Foxes in Love isn't just one of the best things on e621, it's one of the best things on the internet.

You can recognize something as being low effort while not disliking it. I don't dislike this, it's just objectively low effort. The artwork is something that most anyone could figure out in MS paint in rather quick order. The text of this series is really what brings people in, but then it becomes is it an unfair bias looking past the barebones art simply because you like the word content of the post? That's where you see what is effectively the janitors having a moot whether something should be approved or not before passing final judgment. Though personally I think it would be neat if when situations like that happen the count who believe it does meet minimum quality standards also shows.

tic_tic_tac said:
who is that person believing this comic "doesn't meet the quality standards", I wonder?

Sadly, it is up to persons now, as there are '2 approvers' who do not believe in this charming slice of life strip

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It sure as hecc does not look to be @Millcore who has approved a large percentage of foxes_in_love posts

_{being a bloo_fox herself, this reeks of speciesism, however :3}

versperus said:
In all fairness this low effort comic getting approved while other objectively better artwork gets disapproved for not meeting minimum quality standards probably leaves a metallic taste in peoples mouths.

there's a vast difference between primitivism as art style and "low effort", so that taste might be from a failed vibe check

sharp_coyote said:
Sadly, it is up to persons now, as there are '2 approvers' who do not believe in this charming slice of life strip

post #2300871

It sure as hecc does not look to be @Millcore who has approved a large percentage of foxes_in_love posts

_{being a bloo_fox herself, this reeks of speciesism, however :3}

some power abuse based on personal animosity, probably, backed up by staff rimming professionals, because calling the comic that concentrates on showing touching life episodes of a couple in love (to come up with them is "objectively an effort", in terms of some people here) a "low effort" seems like nothing but trolling to me, because I refuse to believe in someone being so emotionally deaf that their EQ is negative, but their comments are upvoted

wyntr said:
Maybe they're seeking out the iron in your blood?

Sort of, yes. Nectar is just sugar water, so butterflies drink all kinds of different stuff to supplement their diet.
Some just happen to have a taste for blood and sweat. And like other insects, feces.

tic_tic_tac said:
some power abuse based on personal animosity, probably, backed up by staff rimming professionals, because calling the comic that concentrates on showing touching life episodes of a couple in love (to come up with them is "objectively an effort", in terms of some people here) a "low effort" seems like nothing but trolling to me, because I refuse to believe in someone being so emotionally deaf that their EQ is negative, but their comments are upvoted

There are more then just 2 approvers you know. Both admins and janitors can approve posts, while I don't think it's much of a high effort drawing. It's cuz it dosnt need to be, the effort is in the words. Where there is currently (AFAIK) no guidelines on how that works, it's no excuse to act like that.

The admins and Janitors. If you get to know them. They are actually very kind people. They are more then just the stuff you see on site, which admittedly can give a negative view sometimes because you have to be pretty firm in keeping the peace, the Discord is one of the most fun places I have been. And, they don't act like they are any more important from what I have seen.

tijuana_bob said:
Butterflies taste with their feet and actively seek out sweat and blood.
Enjoy summer, y'all.

I don't know what to think of this new information,
Thank you for teaching me something new.

Just to throw my hat into the ring, while the artwork is minimalist in style, it has not only been consistent, but has actually improved from when it originally started. If the quality of the artwork were to dip in the future -- which I highly doubt -- then I could see the "does not meet minimum quality standards" notice being valid. Since that is not the case however, it's just futile at this point. Everything before has been approved and if we're to adhere to the rules and regulations of this site, then that trend should rightfully continue.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

yetanothertemp said:
There are more then just 2 approvers you know. Both admins and janitors can approve posts, while I don't think it's much of a high effort drawing. It's cuz it dosnt need to be, the effort is in the words. Where there is currently (AFAIK) no guidelines on how that works, it's no excuse to act like that.

The admins and Janitors. If you get to know them. They are actually very kind people. They are more then just the stuff you see on site, which admittedly can give a negative view sometimes because you have to be pretty firm in keeping the peace, the Discord is one of the most fun places I have been. And, they don't act like they are any more important from what I have seen.

Sorry for the delay, I got banned for three days by "very kind" bitWolfy under false pretenses of this this and this being "Spamming or Trolling". I've long since getting over being troubled by someone being wrong on the internet and thus don't have alts here, so I couldn't answer right away. This proves I was right about power abuse as the real cause of the comic not being approved and has a silver lining of finding out at least one of the mods trying to get me though.

That aside, as you (and some other people) said, in this comic "the effort is in the words": in the emotions shown and the situations the author comes up with to show these emotions. This does not require extremely sophisticated art style, with 4k backgrounds and ray-tracing, and in fact being able to express complicated feelings in a few brush strokes is a sign of being talented and takes effort, while over-complicated surroundings here will just distract the reader from the plot. Primitivism and minimalism are considered full-fledged art styles for a reason.

I don't say all the other works are not art or "low effort" for being drawn differently, but this is art, and those downvoting people who say this and complaining about "this low effort comic getting approved while other objectively better artwork gets disapproved" are the real trolls here, although I don't see them banned. Oh, and in case my English is bad, I'd like to clarify that "some power abuse based on personal animosity, probably, backed up by staff rimming professionals" meant that there are some people who give rimjobs to staff in hopes of getting preferences regardless of staff being right or wrong, not that the staff themselves are such professionals, just in case.

At least, the comic is approved now, so the trolls can go back under the bridge, and I hope this will not be an issue in the future. Also, since I don't neuter my opinions, I expect the butthurt staff members to use this post to ban me again for "repeated offense" or whatever rule will allow them to. That's normal (not ok, just statistically normal). People are abusing power whenever they have any. The difference is whether they do so to stop some asshole thinking "I've found a loophole in the rules, now I'm going to scratch my ego ass on your faces" or to stalk someone they personally dislike for whatever reason.

Also I've found my comments downvoted at least once even when they couldn't offend anyone at all and had positive feedback before. Someone either was giving their tongue a real workout or was so assholerated by something I said that their chair burned down. Since I wasn't offending anyone in their right mind (those who are not will always find a way to get offended), in the latter case I find this furniture destruction incident satisfying and therapeutic (evil plotting raccoon "good, good" macro here). I also regret about some staff dicks being unleashed and the site owner unresponsive, but I won't self-castrate to boost their ego. Thus, further communication can be difficult, but if you really want me to answer, I'll find a way sooner or later, depending on how stupid the piss-keepers are.

tic_tic_tac said:
Blah blah blah

While I agree that a minimalist art style and low-quality don't automatically imply each other, that only constitutes a small sliver of your comment, and, at this point, is generally unimportant to you.

You are 100% a butthurt loser who can't take an ounce of criticism from anyone. Guess what: once you create an account on this (or any other) website, you implicitly agree that your speech be fully censurable by any site moderation team. If you don't like it, then stop coming back to try and win a flame war for which you will always have the disadvantage.

Also, please learn to compartmentalize and refine your thoughts. It was difficult enough trying to parse out meaning given the over-abundance of metaphorical language in your comment.