god I am so happy this got colored, also I love how she just openly admitted that she has no underwear on under the loincloth

Any excuse to see Raine in a skimpy outfit...

I'm sure Kat worked very hard on this costume. Her only mistake was asking Eric for suggestions.

kaiserwilhelmii343 said:
god I am so happy this got colored, also I love how she just openly admitted that she has no underwear on under the loincloth

Can't say it's inaccurate. As of her most recent appearance (Super Smash Bros Ultimate), Krystal isn't wearing underwear under there.

There are screenshots.

True to form, Krystal has no underwear either.
Just go play Smash Ultimate if you need proof.

unknownspecimen said:
True to form, Krystal has no underwear either.
Just go play Smash Ultimate if you need proof.

I mentioned that on the sketch, I came in here to mention it again. Someone certainly was a sneaky artist. And also apparently a fan of pubes on furries.

If you look at the og game that outfit is from she is wearing panties.

gman85 said:
If you look at the og game that outfit is from she is wearing panties.

Nope. Not at all. There's no visible detail, but the only thing she wears down there in SFA is a patch of white fur.

(CW for links: featureless videogame upskirt)

temp7 said:
Nope. Not at all. There's no visible detail, but the only thing she wears down there in SFA is a patch of white fur.

(CW for links: featureless videogame upskirt)

Yeah lol, used to have a save file in the krazora palace for this reason.

temp7 said:
Nope. Not at all. There's no visible detail, but the only thing she wears down there in SFA is a patch of white fur.

(CW for links: featureless videogame upskirt)

For comparison to her model in Smash Bros:

https://imgur.com/cii6uuu

Clearly defined vulva. And the darker blue triangle, when seen from other angles, looks like a bush. Even a vague, shadowy hint of an anus. I'm shocked someone slipped that into the game past Nintendo, who are notorious for going over games with a fine-toothed comb for anything they considering too inappropriate. Surely at some point a QA tester or one of their content reviewers would've looked over her texture file, especially given how skimpy her outfit is, to make sure nothing like that happened.

Ohhhh i knew it would get colored.......amazing.
This is one of the best cosplays i have seen....... :D

I imagine the character who gave her this costume.
he has a smug face, the kind of smug face you wish you could take a swing at.

temp7 said:
Nope. Not at all. There's no visible detail, but the only thing she wears down there in SFA is a patch of white fur.

(CW for links: featureless videogame upskirt)

The developer free cam begs to differ

spaciesforlife said:
The developer free cam begs to differ

What am I supposed to be seeing in those pics? Here's what it looks like in-game WITHOUT going so close that you clip into the model. Like I said: plain white fur. Not even the same shade as her distinctly tan loincloth.

As a caveat, her original Dinosaur Planet design was actually more obvious about it. This was planned from the beginning.

temp7 said:
What am I supposed to be seeing in those pics? Here's what it looks like in-game WITHOUT going so close that you clip into the model. Like I said: plain white fur. Not even the same shade as her distinctly tan loincloth.

As a caveat, her original Dinosaur Planet design was actually more obvious about it. This was planned from the beginning.

The point of the pictures was to illustrate the intentional contrast between the "panty" and the loincloth + rest of her fur. I'll grant that the texture is obviously low-quality and baked into her model, but the white outline of it doesn't match either her stomach fur or the cloth covering it, especially cause Ultimate doesn't have that there at all. Even with "normal" screencaps, it looks like panties to me. Just the fact that it forms a distinct panty shape and color palette is enough for me to declare it open-and-shut.

temp7 said:
What am I supposed to be seeing in those pics? Here's what it looks like in-game WITHOUT going so close that you clip into the model. Like I said: plain white fur. Not even the same shade as her distinctly tan loincloth.

As a caveat, her original Dinosaur Planet design was actually more obvious about it. This was planned from the beginning.

I'm reminded of a comment from a former Rare dev who was there when DP was in development (prior to being forced into the Star Fox IP) who said some of the artists amused themselves by putting her in sexy lingerie, something they'd do to goof around late at night after long days of working.

Always wished we could've seen that leaked at some point.

You know in my head I was confused by the colour of the outfit? I guess since it is normally on someone blue that somehow threw me off, had to look up Krystal again lol

haha

temp7 said:
Nope. Not at all. There's no visible detail, but the only thing she wears down there in SFA is a patch of white fur.

(CW for links: featureless videogame upskirt)

Here is the original texture

The part on the right is her body from neck down to the feet, upside down. The middle shows the symbol on her hip and the white panties she has.

Here is the mesh without the loincloth

liggliluff said:
Here is the original texture

The part on the right is her body from neck down to the feet, upside down. The middle shows the symbol on her hip and the white panties she has.

Here is the mesh without the loincloth

Rather interesting then, that it looks so nude in-game. If that was never the intention, it makes the Smash Bros version even more of an odd choice, since in that game she's definitively going commando. Same with Dinosaur Planet: you'd be hard pressed to convince me that lighter blue patch of fur is supposed to be underwear.

post #3630089

^ For what it's worth, Imamura-san seems to agree with Smash.

drakkenfyre said:
For comparison to her model in Smash Bros:

https://imgur.com/cii6uuu

Clearly defined vulva. And the darker blue triangle, when seen from other angles, looks like a bush. Even a vague, shadowy hint of an anus. I'm shocked someone slipped that into the game past Nintendo, who are notorious for going over games with a fine-toothed comb for anything they considering too inappropriate. Surely at some point a QA tester or one of their content reviewers would've looked over her texture file, especially given how skimpy her outfit is, to make sure nothing like that happened.

Nintendo had some serious gonads when making Krystal's Smash Bros model.

alain~wolfie23 said:
Nintendo had some serious gonads when making Krystal's Smash Bros model.

It wasn't Nintendo as a whole, likely an individual artist or two that snuck it in. But my original comment still stands. Nintendo is (was?) notorious for going over literally everything with a fine-toothed comb before they approve a game for release on their systems. There is absolutely no way they would've missed this if they were still being as in-depth as they normally are. Over time they've relaxed a lot of their restrictions but still, it's hard to believe they'd pass this if they'd seen it.

drakkenfyre said:
It wasn't Nintendo as a whole, likely an individual artist or two that snuck it in. But my original comment still stands. Nintendo is (was?) notorious for going over literally everything with a fine-toothed comb before they approve a game for release on their systems. There is absolutely no way they would've missed this if they were still being as in-depth as they normally are. Over time they've relaxed a lot of their restrictions but still, it's hard to believe they'd pass this if they'd seen it.

There's more to it than that: the game has black voids under every other dress in the game because it was under fire from CERO (Japanese ESRB) in the first place - the smash bros games used to have very detailed upskirt shots until CERO raised a stink over it. Sakurai wasn't impressed. He said in this interview:

Sakurai: ''Underwear is just a piece of fabric. If you’re more worried about something trivial like whether you can see some cloth than whether a game includes firearms, you clearly ought to get your priorities in order.''

I'm willing to bet this was a very, very intentional move. Even if it wasn't, it's hilarious that CERO went out of their way to censor panty shots, only to miss a blatantly exposed pussy in the selfsame game.

temp7 said:
There's more to it than that: the game has black voids under every other dress in the game because it was under fire from CERO (Japanese ESRB) in the first place - the smash bros games used to have very detailed upskirt shots until CERO raised a stink over it. Sakurai wasn't impressed. He said in this interview:

Sakurai: ''Underwear is just a piece of fabric. If you’re more worried about something trivial like whether you can see some cloth than whether a game includes firearms, you clearly ought to get your priorities in order.''

I'm willing to bet this was a very, very intentional move. Even if it wasn't, it's hilarious that CERO went out of their way to censor panty shots, only to miss a blatantly exposed pussy in the selfsame game.

I'm aware of the censorship issue that forced them to put black voids under dresses but I'd find it hard to believe they would intentionally do a completely visible pussy in retaliation. If true though, that would be hilarious.

Theorizing though, from a graphical and technical point of view the same kind of black void would be very hard to do on a loincloth. It's one thing for it to be under a dress where it'll be obscured 99% of the time. But under a loincloth that's very skimpy and open from the sides the effect would be likely be partially visible even with Krystal standing normally. Maybe the person responsible for doing the content checks didn't bother with Krystal under the naïve assumption that such a check wasn't necessary for non-human characters. OR didn't bother because she was the equivalent of a temporary power-up rather than a playable character and got dismissed as unnecessary. *shrug*

drakkenfyre said:
I'm aware of the censorship issue that forced them to put black voids under dresses but I'd find it hard to believe they would intentionally do a completely visible pussy in retaliation. If true though, that would be hilarious.

I can guarantee that every 3D modeler working on that game was aware of the censorship restrictions - they literally had to know. Someone had a good laugh at CERO's incompetence... the question is whether or not Sakurai was in on the joke.

drakkenfyre said:
Theorizing though, from a graphical and technical point of view the same kind of black void would be very hard to do on a loincloth. It's one thing for it to be under a dress where it'll be obscured 99% of the time. But under a loincloth that's very skimpy and open from the sides the effect would be likely be partially visible even with Krystal standing normally. Maybe the person responsible for doing the content checks didn't bother with Krystal under the naïve assumption that such a check wasn't necessary for non-human characters. OR didn't bother because she was the equivalent of a temporary power-up rather than a playable character and got dismissed as unnecessary. *shrug*

Even so, they could have just made her featureless down there, or put her in a bodysuit. Totally valid options... that they did not take.

Something I find fun is that giving her underwear wouldn't make it a bit more suggestive than a featureless crotch?

I mean male furry characters are often cloth-less.

ginkei said:
Something I find fun is that giving her underwear wouldn't make it a bit more suggestive than a featureless crotch?

I mean male furry characters are often cloth-less.

Yeah. Panties implies that she has a pussy to cover up.

I mean, she does, but you get the point. 😏

temp7 said:
Yeah. Panties implies that she has a pussy to cover up.

I mean, she does, but you get the point. 😏

I found it curious that Amy Rose had some underwear despite that Sonic was naked (aside from his shoes and gloves).

As for Krystal

drakkenfyre said:
I mentioned that on the sketch, I came in here to mention it again. Someone certainly was a sneaky artist. And also apparently a fan of pubes on furries.

drakkenfyre said:
For comparison to her model in Smash Bros:

https://imgur.com/cii6uuu

Clearly defined vulva. And the darker blue triangle, when seen from other angles, looks like a bush. Even a vague, shadowy hint of an anus. I'm shocked someone slipped that into the game past Nintendo, who are notorious for going over games with a fine-toothed comb for anything they considering too inappropriate. Surely at some point a QA tester or one of their content reviewers would've looked over her texture file, especially given how skimpy her outfit is, to make sure nothing like that happened.

Or maybe it's an unfortunate joint section of a mirrored texture (since many 2D files are putting symmetry to save space) that makes it looks like a vulva and pubic hair... But I'm surprised Nintendo nor Sakurai nor Bandai Namco nor the ESRB nor the soccer mom said anything about that.

ginkei said:
I found it curious that Amy Rose had some underwear despite that Sonic was naked (aside from his shoes and gloves).

As for Krystal

Or maybe it's an unfortunate joint section of a mirrored texture (since many 2D files are putting symmetry to save space) that makes it looks like a vulva and pubic hair... But I'm surprised Nintendo nor Sakurai nor Bandai Namco nor the ESRB nor the soccer mom said anything about that.

While that's a convenient explanation, there's too much detail for that to be the case.

When you view it from straight on, it shows her whole perineum - labia, buttocks, and distinct heart pubes exactly where they should be. Even her crease is shaded. From behind, the model itself has shaped labia, and there's faint texture detail around her asshole. I'm willing to believe in mistakes, but no 'mistake' is that perfect.

As for the ESRB and CERO, it wouldn't be the first time they missed something, and I think Sakurai knows good and well what's between Krystal's legs.

temp7 said:
While that's a convenient explanation, there's too much detail for that to be the case.

When you view it from straight on, it shows her whole perineum - labia, buttocks, and distinct heart pubes exactly where they should be. Even her crease is shaded. From behind, the model itself has shaped labia, and there's faint texture detail around her asshole. I'm willing to believe in mistakes, but no 'mistake' is that perfect.

As for the ESRB and CERO, it wouldn't be the first time they missed something, and I think Sakurai knows good and well what's between Krystal's legs.

I can assume that since she's not fully human it is less monitored/frowned upon to see less clothing than if it was Peach or Samus (they both got censored/nerfed from their debut game) or that culturally japan is more open about it on anthros.

Wasn't there a cameltoe with Pika libre or was it a hoax? Either way nobody aside from those on the net pointed it out.

I mean in some cartoons there's an "X" where the pet's hole should be but it's more as a jokingly way and the context is different.

Welp, props to the guys that did her model and got past the radars.

ginkei said:
I found it curious that Amy Rose had some underwear despite that Sonic was naked (aside from his shoes and gloves).

There's long been a double-standard for non-human male and female characters when it comes to clothing. Pantless males? No problem. Pantless females? Yeah, that's a different story most of the time.

There are some exceptions of course. Daisy Duck is a good example of a female character without pants, but they had her feathers to fall back on as an excuse. And I remember when Sonic SatAM premiered in the US originally Sally was completely naked save for her boots. Apparently this was too objectionable to some, I'm guessing network censors/Standards & Practice, and soon she had a vest slapped on her. I'm almost surprised they didn't give her pants as well.

drakkenfyre said:
There's long been a double-standard for non-human male and female characters when it comes to clothing. Pantless males? No problem. Pantless females? Yeah, that's a different story most of the time.

There are some exceptions of course. Daisy Duck is a good example of a female character without pants, but they had her feathers to fall back on as an excuse. And I remember when Sonic SatAM premiered in the US originally Sally was completely naked save for her boots. Apparently this was too objectionable to some, I'm guessing network censors/Standards & Practice, and soon she had a vest slapped on her. I'm almost surprised they didn't give her pants as well.

Maybe from the people seeing that female character having a more feminine shape made them having to wear clothes so they wouldn't be suggestive to the youngs (which is ironic with this site).

Sally Acorn was American made unlike the original game's characters right? I always felt that it was the same for Fifi in the Tiny Toons... I think she got a shirt in the newest series, right?

Maybe it's also that most female characters in non human species are more human like in term of shape and design (like in many species in fantasy). I remember one pic from Archie that made her more human like in shape so this may be a reason why they added clothes.

The idea of giving females clothing makes them more suggestive in some way and implies that Sonic & Co are naked in-universe (although animals have fur to cover the incriminated parts whereas humans are mostly hairless).

ginkei said:
Sally Acorn was American made unlike the original game's characters right?

Sonic in general was originally made for American audiences and released in the U.S. first. Sally Acorn was one of the little critters you save in The first game, but expanded into a proper character.

ginkei said:
The idea of giving females clothing makes them more suggestive in some way and implies that Sonic & Co are naked in-universe

That's always been the irony. The moment you give a furry girl clothes, you admit that she has sex organs that need covering up. If she wears a top, she has nipples; if she wears a bottom, she has a pussy.

temp7 said:
Sonic in general was originally made for American audiences and released in the U.S. first. Sally Acorn was one of the little critters you save in The first game, but expanded into a proper character.

No I meant that Sally, unlike Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Eggman and Metal Sonic, Sally Acorn was designed by a western artist (nothing to do with Sonic being made for an American audience, although I doubt that since he had advertisements in Japan and was still used as a mascot there).

I think it's a similar case as Donkey Kong, the original design is japan made (as a critter for her) then the american side redesigned her.

That's always been the irony. The moment you give a furry girl clothes, you admit that she has sex organs that need covering up. If she wears a top, she has nipples; if she wears a bottom, she has a pussy.

Yep, same with when a character mentions wanting to "go to the bathroom" implies they got a working digestive system (which kinda surprised me when I saw that clip of MLP where Pinkie was telling that because it was apparently a way to make her meet a character they were currently searching). Usually fiction always ignore that for obvious reasons.

ginkei said:
No I meant that Sally, unlike Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Eggman and Metal Sonic, Sally Acorn was designed by a western artist (nothing to do with Sonic being made for an American audience, although I doubt that since he had advertisements in Japan and was still used as a mascot there).

Here you go, from Sega themselves. They directly admitted that Sonic was primarily based on Western ideas and made specifically for an American audience. Sonic isn't popular in Japan.

ginkei said:
Yep, same with when a character mentions wanting to "go to the bathroom" implies they got a working digestive system (which kinda surprised me when I saw that clip of MLP where Pinkie was telling that because it was apparently a way to make her meet a character they were currently searching). Usually fiction always ignore that for obvious reasons.

I prefer frankness when it comes to this stuff. People use bathrooms in reality: hiding/censoring that from media doesn't serve any purpose.

temp7 said:
Here you go, from Sega themselves. They directly admitted that Sonic was primarily based on Western ideas and made specifically for an American audience. Sonic isn't popular in Japan.

I prefer frankness when it comes to this stuff. People use bathrooms in reality: hiding/censoring that from media doesn't serve any purpose.

No, you misunderstood what I meant: Sonic & Co were created by japanese artists (Naoto Oshima being the one who designed him and Robotnik/Eggman at first), I'm not talking about the targeted demographic. Sally's Archie redesign was probably made by some people who worked for the comic.

If Sonic was made for a western audience and is more popular in Japan then why they still made games from their japanese studio instead of letting Sega of America handle the franchise? Sonic 1 and CD were made in Japan while Sonic 2 was made by STI in the west, ditto with the Adventure games where the first was japan made and the sequel US made. I think that both were still planned but the western side came out strongly, they wanted to give him some exoticism.

I prefer frankness when it comes to this stuff. People use bathrooms in reality: hiding/censoring that from media doesn't serve any purpose.

I mean yeah it's reality but maybe that could've been censored to even imply they get internal organs (like how I noticed that in Disney some of the character had nephews to not imply that they would have had sex if these were their sons instead. Max was honestly surprising since Goofy was the last guy I imagined to be a father lol).

ginkei said:
No, you misunderstood what I meant: Sonic & Co were created by japanese artists (Naoto Oshima being the one who designed him and Robotnik/Eggman at first), I'm not talking about the targeted demographic. Sally's Archie redesign was probably made by some people who worked for the comic.

Again, Sally Acorn was one of the little critters you save in Sonic 1, designed by Naoto Ohshima. This little figurine of her is from 1991 - the year Sonic came out on Sega Genesis. Her SatAM design was made by Ken Kenoshita. Sally first appeared in Sonic the Hedgehog on the Sega Genesis. The SatAm cartoon just expanded her into a proper character. It didn't create her.

ginkei said:
If Sonic was made for a western audience and is more popular in Japan (...)

Sonic is not more popular in Japan. Sonic is more popular in the west. Which is why the development history of the series in Japan is highly ironic.

ginkei said:
I mean yeah it's reality but maybe that could've been censored to even imply they get internal organs (like how I noticed that in Disney some of the character had nephews to not imply that they would have had sex if these were their sons instead. Max was honestly surprising since Goofy was the last guy I imagined to be a father lol).

Westerners are prudish to a point where it becomes utterly ridiculous. People have sex, people have kids as a result of sex. The very children watching the cartoon have parents, for fucks sake.