Little info for those of you, that keep wondering if Nick is gonna be on the receiving end of that knot at some point:

fenredwolf said:
Little info for those of you, that keep wondering if Nick is gonna be on the receiving end of that knot at some point:

Amadose hinted at it, but at earliest after the next two chapters... so in about 40-50 pages. At mayyybe 2 pages a month, well... You do the math.

There will still be other shenanigans between these two, very shortly even, but no knot-under-tail. Yet.

Thank's for the info my guy

I can't tell if Nick is sweating or crying. I fully understand that Nick said it's fine, I know they have the consent and all, and I know they all agreed to fully communicate, hell, OWEN is the one who asked him to speak up more, but I'm honestly starting to worry about Nick's well being and mental health.

It's actually canon that Nick was treated terribly as a kid and we saw how that really effected him. As someone who was bullied myself, I really feel for him and I can't help but wonder if he'll be alright.

I know this is just a comic and that the story is just for fun, but Owen is basically stealing Nick's wife and from the looks of it, kicking him out of the house. I can't help but wonder how far is too for and I'm pissed that Judy is NOT helping in the slightest.

Again, I know all this is for fun, but I'm honestly starting to think that they should get some counseling or bring in a third party to mediate things since it seems like they are all too caught up fantasy/desire of it all.

alextalbain said:
I can't tell if Nick is sweating or crying. I fully understand that Nick said it's fine, I know they have the consent and all, and I know they all agreed to fully communicate, hell, OWEN is the one who asked him to speak up more, but I'm honestly starting to worry about Nick's well being and mental health.

It's actually canon that Nick was treated terribly as a kid and we saw how that really effected him. As someone who was bullied myself, I really feel for him and I can't help but wonder if he'll be alright.

I know this is just a comic and that the story is just for fun, but Owen is basically stealing Nick's wife and from the looks of it, kicking him out of the house. I can't help but wonder how far is too for and I'm pissed that Judy is NOT helping in the slightest.

Again, I know all this is for fun, but I'm honestly starting to think that they should get some counseling or bring in a third party to mediate things since it seems like they are all too caught up fantasy/desire of it all.

A valid concern that shows how out of Nick has to be in order for this story to "work".

Nick: Confident, doesn't let anyone walk over him, tragically bullied as child.
Amadose Nick: Timid, an absolute floor mat, gets off to being severely mistreated?

And like I said before, I know that Nick says that he's okay, but the way he says it along with how he's drawn makes it look like he's terrified to say no, like he's fearing a divorce. Which doesn't help the fact that there's NEVER any action shown that demonstrates a healthy side to this scenario.

Aftercare between the husband and wife? Only if the bull is included so he can continue to cuck him.

Making sure Nick is okay with what's happening? Nah, he likes it, so Judy can continue ignoring him.

Any actual limits discussed or enforced? By the end of this series, Nick will be living on the streets paying 90% of his income to Judy and her bulls after they've castrated him.

slyly1997 said:
A valid concern that shows how out of Nick has to be in order for this story to "work".

Nick: Confident, doesn't let anyone walk over him, tragically bullied as child.
Amadose Nick: Timid, an absolute floor mat, gets off to being severely mistreated?

And like I said before, I know that Nick says that he's okay, but the way he says it along with how he's drawn makes it look like he's terrified to say no, like he's fearing a divorce. Which doesn't help the fact that there's NEVER any action shown that demonstrates a healthy side to this scenario.

Aftercare between the husband and wife? Only if the bull is included so he can continue to cuck him.

Making sure Nick is okay with what's happening? Nah, he likes it, so Judy can continue ignoring him.

Any actual limits discussed or enforced? By the end of this series, Nick will be living on the streets paying 90% of his income to Judy and her bulls after they've castrated him.

Yes, exactly. I know I've made comments about how I'd like to see Nick and Owen do it, but after this page, I'm not sure it's even worth it anymore. The way this is playing out is honestly making me scared for Nick.

And take over the bills and make dinner and get a job and--

I'm convinced we're reading different comics at this point...

alextalbain said:
from the looks of it, kicking him out of the house.

Pretty sure he means Nick can visit her pussy, not he can visit his own house, lol.

fenredwolf said:
I'm convinced we're reading different comics at this point...

It feels like people are just waiting at the edge of their seats, watching like hawks, for the smallest thing that can make them go "Look! I was right! See? I was right! I was right all along!" Some people just have it in their heads that "This is a bad comic" and their minds won't be changed, to the point they're getting mad at the bull for doing bull things.

slyly1997 said:
...

Some pretty big leaps in logic here... "Making sure Nick is okay? Nah he likes it", what does that even mean? If he likes it, then yes he's okay with it. Again, he asked for this in the first place, something people continue to conveniently skip over. Discussion of limits? That's another thing that's already happened that people tend to forget about. Maybe some people need a refresher course on this comic, because the actual course of events is not the same as how some of you seem to remember it. Page 24 Owen asks "What's on and off the table?", Page 25 they reply that they want him to set the rules and push their own limits. Page 26 Owen warns that he will push their limits, as requested, and stresses that it will only work if they all communicate and speak up when he goes too far. If you want to infer that he's gone too far and nobody's spoken up, I mean you do you but the comic has not explicitly shown that so please don't state it like it's a fact. Page 26 also has Nick requesting that Owen make demands and keep going further. Page 27 Nick says it would be hotter if Owen did not ask permission for things.

And finally, just because aftercare (without Owen) is not shown doesn't mean it did not happen. Take your pick of any S&M comic out there, another activity where aftercare is important, and nine times out of ten you'll find it isn't depicted in the comic. It's a porn comic, that's not what the horny readers are there to see, it's not worth the large amount of effort it takes to create a fully drawn and coloured comic page to show it off when more effort could be dedicated to fox dicks. Yes, the intention of this comic is to "show a healthy cuck relationship" but if the comic is not explicitly saying "There is no aftercare", then there's no reason to just blindly assume it isn't happening. This isn't a 24-hour live feed of Nick & Judy's life.

sexygriffon said:
Pretty sure he means Nick can visit her pussy, not he can visit his own house, lol.

It feels like people are just waiting at the edge of their seats, watching like hawks, for the smallest thing that can make them go "Look! I was right! See? I was right! I was right all along!" Some people just have it in their heads that "This is a bad comic" and their minds won't be changed, to the point they're getting mad at the bull for doing bull things.

Some pretty big leaps in logic here... "Making sure Nick is okay? Nah he likes it", what does that even mean? If he likes it, then yes he's okay with it. Again, he asked for this in the first place, something people continue to conveniently skip over. Discussion of limits? That's another thing that's already happened that people tend to forget about. Maybe some people need a refresher course on this comic, because the actual course of events is not the same as how some of you seem to remember it. Page 24 Owen asks "What's on and off the table?", Page 25 they reply that they want him to set the rules and push their own limits. Page 26 Owen warns that he will push their limits, as requested, and stresses that it will only work if they all communicate and speak up when he goes too far. If you want to infer that he's gone too far and nobody's spoken up, I mean you do you but the comic has not explicitly shown that so please don't state it like it's a fact. Page 26 also has Nick requesting that Owen make demands and keep going further. Page 27 Nick says it would be hotter if Owen did not ask permission for things.

And finally, just because aftercare (without Owen) is not shown doesn't mean it did not happen. Take your pick of any S&M comic out there, another activity where aftercare is important, and nine times out of ten you'll find it isn't depicted in the comic. It's a porn comic, that's not what the horny readers are there to see, it's not worth the large amount of effort it takes to create a fully drawn and coloured comic page to show it off when more effort could be dedicated to fox dicks. Yes, the intention of this comic is to "show a healthy cuck relationship" but if the comic is not explicitly saying "There is no aftercare", then there's no reason to just blindly assume it isn't happening. This isn't a 24-hour live feed of Nick & Judy's life.

If you want to show a healthy cuck relationship in a comic, show it. Don't make your readers assume and omit things just in favor of getting to the porn faster. And yeah, unfortunately, nine times out of ten, comics on this site tend to be... very negative. And sadly, someone saying they like something doesn't actually always mean they like something. Sometimes they have mental and emotional issues that can cause them to agree with something that's clearly detrimental to their own well being and mental health. In this comic, Nick is so blindingly out of character from his established origin that it might as well not be a Zootopia comic anymore. Personally, the first thing I'd jump to is that he might be in desperate need of some professional therapy. Toxic cuckolding, which we cannot confirm or deny, because the comic doesn't actually show things like aftercare, lifestyle contracts, establishing boundaries... is basically masochism. Physical pain verses mental pain. No real difference. You should probably see a therapist unless you're seriously amazing at practicing moderation. And for Owen's sake, if someone asks you to be a bull for them, then tells you to not ask permission or establish rules... that's huuuuge red flags. Back away very quickly. You're not headed into a healthy relationship.

Summary. Yeah, they agreed to it. But like all contracts, you have to make sure those agreeing to them are actually in a frame of mind in which they can agree to it. The comic has already showed clear examples of it not being a healthy relationship the second Owen agreed to their no permission request. So no, at this point, it will never be a healthy relationship comic. Is that okay? I mean, people are primarily reading this to get off, clearly. There's no reason to even look down into the comic's comment section unless you're seeking to have a discourse about the comic with others, which people are doing right now. In that case, enjoy the comic. It's fantasy, and porn. So long as you understand that it's not a portrayal of a healthy relationship to mimic in real life or subject any real person to.

C

alextalbain said:
I can't tell if Nick is sweating or crying. I fully understand that Nick said it's fine, I know they have the consent and all, and I know they all agreed to fully communicate, hell, OWEN is the one who asked him to speak up more, but I'm honestly starting to worry about Nick's well being and mental health.

It's actually canon that Nick was treated terribly as a kid and we saw how that really effected him. As someone who was bullied myself, I really feel for him and I can't help but wonder if he'll be alright.

I know this is just a comic and that the story is just for fun, but Owen is basically stealing Nick's wife and from the looks of it, kicking him out of the house. I can't help but wonder how far is too for and I'm pissed that Judy is NOT helping in the slightest.

Again, I know all this is for fun, but I'm honestly starting to think that they should get some counseling or bring in a third party to mediate things since it seems like they are all too caught up fantasy/desire of it all.

Cool novel in the comment section of cuckold porn art

kiroberos said:
If you want to show a healthy cuck relationship in a comic, show it. Don't make your readers assume and omit things just in favor of getting to the porn faster. And yeah, unfortunately, nine times out of ten, comics on this site tend to be... very negative. And sadly, someone saying they like something doesn't actually always mean they like something. Sometimes they have mental and emotional issues that can cause them to agree with something that's clearly detrimental to their own well being and mental health. In this comic, Nick is so blindingly out of character from his established origin that it might as well not be a Zootopia comic anymore. Personally, the first thing I'd jump to is that he might be in desperate need of some professional therapy. Toxic cuckolding, which we cannot confirm or deny, because the comic doesn't actually show things like aftercare, lifestyle contracts, establishing boundaries... is basically masochism. Physical pain verses mental pain. No real difference. You should probably see a therapist unless you're seriously amazing at practicing moderation. And for Owen's sake, if someone asks you to be a bull for them, then tells you to not ask permission or establish rules... that's huuuuge red flags. Back away very quickly. You're not headed into a healthy relationship.

Summary. Yeah, they agreed to it. But like all contracts, you have to make sure those agreeing to them are actually in a frame of mind in which they can agree to it. The comic has already showed clear examples of it not being a healthy relationship the second Owen agreed to their no permission request. So no, at this point, it will never be a healthy relationship comic. Is that okay? I mean, people are primarily reading this to get off, clearly. There's no reason to even look down into the comic's comment section unless you're seeking to have a discourse about the comic with others, which people are doing right now. In that case, enjoy the comic. It's fantasy, and porn. So long as you understand that it's not a portrayal of a healthy relationship to mimic in real life or subject any real person to.

Readers are assuming things, and not in a good way. I honestly feel that a lot of readers are not giving characters the benefit of the doubt here. Did you really just say "If you enjoy masochism, you should see a therapist", or did I misread that? There's so many people in these comments who say things like "If you kink this way, you're kinking wrong and this is not healthy and you need therapy", which is a pretty disgusting way of thinking honestly. Do readers actually expect these fictional characters in this porn comic to go to therapy? For getting exactly what they requested and visually enjoying it?

And once again, yet another comment saying there is a lack of "establishing boundaries", despite myself and various other commenters pointing out the multiple times that boundaries were established. Would you care to elaborate on this bullet point specifically? People keep bringing it up as if it's a thing, after all...

I don't know where the comic will go from here. Perhaps maybe it WILL lead to Nick and/or Judy realizing that they've gone too far and need to ask Owen to pull back, which once again, is what they requested in the first place. IE, they wanted to find their own boundaries and limits. That would be perfectly fine, wouldn't it? But as it stands right now, all I see is a bunch of gatekeeping by people deciding what is and isn't healthy about characters who are smiling and enjoying what they asked for, as if there's only one single way to enjoy cucking "correctly".

fenredwolf said:
I'm convinced we're reading different comics at this point...

No Fen, that is a right assesment, Amadose doesn't care if this is presented as a healty cucking relationship, the goal is to make it a vague as possible so he can imagine this deviantartOC looking "manlier" Nick copy to "STEAL" Judy. "manlier" because he could only achieve that by taking every manly/cool personality trait of Nick away and giving it to his OC. It's so out of character it makes my stomach turn and takes the joy of browsing Zootopia lewds away because all-though here I can add it to a blacklist but on other websites there is no such option. That said, imma do this here right now, I don't wanna see this stuff

Stopped being horny, started feeling bad for Nick :(

I don't know what's sadder, the content of this comic, or the fact that people find this OC and his "personality" cool and attractive.

The way Owen's eyes glow in this one does something to me owo

Owen is so cool!

Dam dude, All that remains is for him to eat judy in front of his eyes.....pls owen do it!

its just me or Owen is starting to take this a bit too far?

yoshiosaur said:
its just me or Owen is starting to take this a bit too far?

He's constantly overstepping their boundaries which is yet another thing the comic fails to address.

yoshiosaur said:
its just me or Owen is starting to take this a bit too far?

Nick straight up said he wanted Owen to be meaner though. Everyone who's been keeping up with the comic has been saying that to you guys. Did the ol flip his switch when given perms, to put it like that.
So yeah, I think that's kinda the point. At least in this context.

Plus tying with Judy is all he's restricting, not that Nick can't have sex with her. Well, at least until the chastity cage stuff comes in but that's been teased ever since the chapter's been a thing and further before it.

story started getting darker no thankie

ajarvi said:
He's constantly overstepping their boundaries which is yet another thing the comic fails to address.

He told him to and he's only saying no knotting her

bigpole1818 said:
He told him to and he's only saying no knotting her

I do think people for get that knotting is typically considered the most intimate thing a couple can have if said thing is present. And tho given the permission to expand his dominance, that is literally taking something away from this married couple, that at this point is hard to say they even are since in most if not all the work they have show little actual love in this relation ship.. from the first story where judy literally did something against the whole point of her sleeping with another man, to the 2nd chapter showed he can't even satisfy he even tho he's a fox, mini comic show that all they do is spend minimal time as a couple and spend .ore time preparing for her ro not be with him, and now is saying just take the biggest intimate thing a fox has away from him and his wife. Nick is just a paper cutout of a rug that just want to be walked all over at this point and should just divorced her since this isn't a marriage, its a slow falling plane to supported happy relationship with nothing in it for him but to sit back and take abuse he grew up with and is being written to be happy with. It's just and eventually at this point of him sleeping alone in his own apartment while Judy is fucked by Owen 24 hours with no time for him, and when she is with him, cant stop throwing humiliation at him. It's just sad.

ajarvi said:
He's constantly overstepping their boundaries which is yet another thing the comic fails to address.

...Again, this is not something the comic failed to address, you've just all forgotten the discussion in the coffee shop where they asked for Owen to push their limits.

mj111994 said:
I do think people for get that knotting is typically considered the most intimate thing a couple can have if said thing is present. And tho given the permission to expand his dominance, that is literally taking something away from this married couple, that at this point is hard to say they even are since in most if not all the work they have show little actual love in this relation ship

That's what seems more cold about this. By taking away Nick's ability to knot his wife, it feels like he's being told not to love her as much anymore.

slyly1997 said:
That's what seems more cold about this. By taking away Nick's ability to knot his wife, it feels like he's being told not to love her as much anymore.

Lest be honest at this point in the story. Does he even love her. He and her literaly do nothing together and she spend most her time with Owen or thinking about Owen. Even in the hourly comic the most time they spend together was probably sleeping in a bed. This is just a loveless relationship at this point with Nick just being spineless letting her get what ever she wants. I mean even in the Q&A Nick was working and Judy was still with this dude ( a character wholes whole lifes ambitionwas being a cop), like realy what is the point of their marriage other then to say they are in one anymore, just showing they wear their rings and are told they are having a great marriage you can't even see it in any of these story. I mean even the start of this chapter Judy was just loving it all and Owen was doing his thing and we get Nick sitting on the side of the bed looking bored at this point, just end the marriage dude.

The reception of the comic really became a lot more polarized after chapter 6-9, huh?

In all seriousness, I'm realizing the Nick in the comic is really different from his canon self, and not in a way I'm entirely on board with. The comic was alright to start with, but as time went on Nick got more and more screwed over to the point where it's not even very enjoyable anymore. As far as I can tell, that trend isn't gonna stop anytime soon. More importantly, why the hell am I writing a wall of text about a furry porn comic when there's much more interesting things to dedicate time and energy to? And why am I slowly descending into an existential crisis? Because of a cartoon fox getting cucked and acting out-of-character? Goddammit, I've lost control of my life.

TL,DR: I need to stop looking at furry porn, and do something more productive with my time instead.

It does state in the little "ref" that they made for Owen give him an inch and he will take a mile, so it's possible that he is overstepping his bounds when he is telling Nick his wife's pussy no longer belongs to him we still haven't heard or seen what Judy thinks or is going to think about all of this because as of right now she has been fucked stupid so there is quite literally a possibility that Judy tells Owen that even though Nick said be meaner to me that he is overstepping her bounds but we won't know until she is coherent, there not still riled up from sex, and she and Nick are in the right frame of mind. Again it's all speculation and Judy can be in bord with the hole idea but we won't know till later when more story is released hell for all we know Judy is going to leave Nick for Owen it's all up to the artist where this goes.

mj111994 said:
I do think people for get that knotting is typically considered the most intimate thing a couple can have if said thing is present. And tho given the permission to expand his dominance, that is literally taking something away from this married couple, that at this point is hard to say they even are since in most if not all the work they have show little actual love in this relation ship.. from the first story where judy literally did something against the whole point of her sleeping with another man, to the 2nd chapter showed he can't even satisfy he even tho he's a fox, mini comic show that all they do is spend minimal time as a couple and spend .ore time preparing for her ro not be with him, and now is saying just take the biggest intimate thing a fox has away from him and his wife. Nick is just a paper cutout of a rug that just want to be walked all over at this point and should just divorced her since this isn't a marriage, its a slow falling plane to supported happy relationship with nothing in it for him but to sit back and take abuse he grew up with and is being written to be happy with. It's just and eventually at this point of him sleeping alone in his own apartment while Judy is fucked by Owen 24 hours with no time for him, and when she is with him, cant stop throwing humiliation at him. It's just sad.

Oh jesus, touch grass, its a comic about a couple with a cuckold kink which involves humiliation. The comic has already shown the intimacy they share when Owen isnt there to have sex, he's not a part of their romantic life

bigpole1818 said:
Oh jesus, touch grass, its a comic about a couple with a cuckold kink which involves humiliation. The comic has already shown the intimacy they share when Owen isnt there to have sex, he's not a part of their romantic life

If your talking about the 1st time in chapter one when she admitted to using spermicide while they were being intimate and he just laugh it off and said oh you hustle me , I'm into it or when they had a moment after meeting Owen for the first time, but both scenes are poor cuz obviously the first she straight said she was living to hum for who know how long and the second scene she said no more, let me save myself for him. Owen isnt part of their romantic life because they no longer have one that isn't her just bent over for Owen. I have read everything but the character chart cuz I don't care about his character and ever scene had shown nothing but judy happy with anyone but nick and when she is, she is either talking about someone else or just humiliating him. If these two were any other characters I wouldn't give a crop about it, but from chapter one they have not Ben judy or nick, I' mean at thus point, they are no better then their count parts from borbra IWS serious, taking a serious and using their faces to get views...

slyly1997 said:
That's what seems more cold about this. By taking away Nick's ability to knot his wife, it feels like he's being told not to love her as much anymore.

Dude he did NOT say that. That's what you're misreading, nothing implies that that is what is being told.

Also do you think a tie is all that's required to love someone? The dude can still have sex with her, so idk what you're on about. Plus it's weird you think it is the end all be all there.

jayfiregrowlithe said:
Dude he did NOT say that. That's what you're misreading, nothing implies that that is what is being told.

Also do you think a tie is all that's required to love someone? The dude can still have sex with her, so idk what you're on about. Plus it's weird you think it is the end all be all there.

The problem is it will be the end all be all, read the early script already, but even of I didn't this nick isn't going to say no, he's a push over, not nick.

I feel like there's a misunderstanding somewhere in these massive novels being written in these comments. If anything I feel like Judy is being written as a very shallow character but nothing about nick feels like an actual contradiction to his Canon personality? You can be a confident and cocky guy and turn to absolute goop in the bedroom in the context of a kink being fulfilled, I feel like the comic would be better if nick like, objected a little to some stuff in a sort of bratty way but I can definitely see this character being so caught up in the fantasy that he just goes along with it. that's what happens when you get to live out a kink dream *shrug*
And idk how people are getting that nick is being abused in this context because the being on the edge of tears and scared expressions ARE THE FUN PART OF THIS TYPE OF MASOCHISM!! This is a porn comic not a romance novel, but the parts that are being shown between the sex give a pretty good picture that nick is happy with what he has going on and wants to experiment with more.

Idk man maybe I'm just too much of a little subby bitch to understand where some of you guys are coming from with your assumptions

t3rrortoff33 said:
I feel like there's a misunderstanding somewhere in these massive novels being written in these comments. If anything I feel like Judy is being written as a very shallow character but nothing about nick feels like an actual contradiction to his Canon personality? You can be a confident and cocky guy and turn to absolute goop in the bedroom in the context of a kink being fulfilled, I feel like the comic would be better if nick like, objected a little to some stuff in a sort of bratty way but I can definitely see this character being so caught up in the fantasy that he just goes along with it. that's what happens when you get to live out a kink dream *shrug*
And idk how people are getting that nick is being abused in this context because the being on the edge of tears and scared expressions ARE THE FUN PART OF THIS TYPE OF MASOCHISM!! This is a porn comic not a romance novel, but the parts that are being shown between the sex give a pretty good picture that nick is happy with what he has going on and wants to experiment with more.

Idk man maybe I'm just too much of a little subby bitch to understand where some of you guys are coming from with your assumptions

All I can say is that this comic version of Nick is like the stories of abused wives that say their man loves them but beats them every night. But in the end, this Nick is just an OC Nick cardboard cut out and Judy is just a horny rabbit with Judy's face.

roman0 said:
I don't know what's sadder, the content of this comic, or the fact that people find this OC and his "personality" cool and attractive.

Dude, being bad is a requirement in life to go far, look at the presidents of the world, and without going any further, if owen were not bad he would never have touched Judy, all of us, deep down, want to be miserable MF who take what us want when us want, or of weakness or morbidity to see others gloat over their impulsive actions, even if we don't admit it, deep down, we like it owen

sexygriffon said:
Readers are assuming things, and not in a good way. I honestly feel that a lot of readers are not giving characters the benefit of the doubt here. Did you really just say "If you enjoy masochism, you should see a therapist", or did I misread that? There's so many people in these comments who say things like "If you kink this way, you're kinking wrong and this is not healthy and you need therapy", which is a pretty disgusting way of thinking honestly. Do readers actually expect these fictional characters in this porn comic to go to therapy? For getting exactly what they requested and visually enjoying it?

And once again, yet another comment saying there is a lack of "establishing boundaries", despite myself and various other commenters pointing out the multiple times that boundaries were established. Would you care to elaborate on this bullet point specifically? People keep bringing it up as if it's a thing, after all...

I don't know where the comic will go from here. Perhaps maybe it WILL lead to Nick and/or Judy realizing that they've gone too far and need to ask Owen to pull back, which once again, is what they requested in the first place. IE, they wanted to find their own boundaries and limits. That would be perfectly fine, wouldn't it? But as it stands right now, all I see is a bunch of gatekeeping by people deciding what is and isn't healthy about characters who are smiling and enjoying what they asked for, as if there's only one single way to enjoy cucking "correctly".

Yes, I did just say that. ANY negative kink that someone has, that can spiral into something that can legitimately hurt you, should at the very least have a check in with an actual therapist who you're comfortable talking about it with. I get tired of people thinking every fetish is made equal and perfectly safe to practice in real life. They're not. If you talk things out with someone and can figure out a way that you enjoy to practice a dangerous kink that won't ultimately end up spiraling out of control or hurting you, then more power to you. Enjoy. Anything else, however, is extremely dangerous, and I don't promote that in the slightest.

Every other point you make stems from a rather simple concept. You see them smiling happily and asking for more and more things, deeper and deeper into the kink, and you think, 'wow, they must really want this and be perfectly happy, because nobody ever asks for something and smiles for any other reason.' Well, unfortunately, it doesn't. People can make choices that they definitely do not want, and pretend to enjoy things they definitely do not enjoy, when under any sort of pressure or stigma present. There's a wide variety of reasons for this. Low self-esteem, aggressive bullying, a manipulative or uninformed partner, poor judgement calls... All sorts of things. And as wildly as Nick is completely out of character in the comic, as many others have noticed, I would definitely raise red flags. The very points you show for them having 'established boundaries' were actually anything but. They're just giving Owen a blank check and letting him decide everything. That's not establishing boundaries. That's just a whole lot of red flags.

I'm not saying don't try the kink. Don't put words in my mouth. This all could have been perfectly acceptable if the three of them had gotten some actual help ahead of time, talked things out, established actual specific rules, created a lifestyle contract, set up safewords, put rules in place for aftercare, etc... That's how to show healthy practice of a dangerous kink. Cuckolding, masochism, sadism, extreme bondage, etc. The point is to be safe. Sadly, Owen mostly comes across as a manipulative bully, bouncing back and forth between 'nice' and 'mean' while constantly pushing them further and further down the rabbit hole. Pun intended. Actual psychological manipulation techniques, there.

yoshiosaur said:
its just me or Owen is starting to take this a bit too far?

He really is. Pretty sure this version of Judy never loved Nick at all, and is doing this just to see if she can’t get rid of him. I mean honestly. Everyone’s forgetting the fact that Judy was purposefully taking Plan B or whatever just so she could have more fun with Owen. That’s the first sign that she really doesn’t care about Nick.

kiroberos said:
(A whole bunch of kinkshaming)

At this point, all I can say to you is that you should probably just stop reading this comic, as it's clearly not for you.

sexygriffon said:
At this point, all I can say to you is that you should probably just stop reading this comic, as it's clearly not for you.

If you're not going to tackle any of the points and just hide behind labeling valid mental health concerns and suggestions on how to protect yourself while healthily exploring a kink as 'kinkshaming', you probably shouldn't have bothered to respond. I don't think you know what kink shaming actually is.

kiroberos said:
If you're not going to tackle any of the points and just hide behind labeling valid mental health concerns and suggestions on how to protect yourself while healthily exploring a kink as 'kinkshaming', you probably shouldn't have bothered to respond. I don't think you know what kink shaming actually is.

Labeling kinks as 'valid mental health concerns' is pretty rude too.

sexygriffon said:
Labeling kinks as 'valid mental health concerns' is pretty rude too.

Actually, 'valid mental health concerns' was, as I wrote before, applied to pursuing a dangerous kink without taking proper precautions. There's nothing wrong with any kink so long as you stay safe and healthy. I explained that before too. Please don't bend my meanings or take my statements out of context.

kiroberos said:
If you want to show a healthy cuck relationship in a comic, show it.

You mean like having a scene set in a coffee shop where the characters discuss what they each want out of the relationship to make sure they're on the same page?

You mean like the bull only taking things further after the cuckold character explicitly tells the bull that he's happy with the way things are going and would very much like for the bull to take it further?

You mean like the bull character, while teasing the cuckold character with things that he could potentially do, but hasn't done yet (proposing a change in the rules is not "violating his boundaries" or whatever; it's giving him a chance to accept or reject the new rules), makes explicit reference to the fact that the three of them will need to discuss his proposal later, when they're less horny?

Are those the kind of healthy aspects you would like to see? If so, have I got a comic for you.

I am not saying this comic contains every aspect you need to make a cuckold relationship work in real life; but it is also a work of smutty fiction, not a instructive manual on how to navigate a cuckolding relationship. The comic would not be improved by a page dedicated to the trio discussing what makes for a good safeword. I'm always interested in comics that actually deal with the trickier emotional aspects of sex and kink; but at some point it's okay to focus on the part where The One Dude Fucks The Other Dude's Wife.

ajarvi said:
He's constantly overstepping their boundaries which is yet another thing the comic fails to address.

No he's not. Proposing ways in which to escalate the cuckolding kink after the cuckold explicitly asks the bull to propose ways in which to escalate the cuckolding kink is not "overstepping boundaries."

Owen telling Nick "no more knotting your wife" is not overstepping boundaries, because Nick or Judy could just say "no" and nothing would've happened. If Nick sobers up and realizes "actually that was a fun tease in the moment but I don't actually want to give that up," then no boundary of his has been violated. Proposing a change in the "rules" is not violating a boundary.

And beyond that, the right to put your dick in someone else is not a "boundary"!! A husband doesn't own his wife's vagina! She is not his property! Think about what you're saying.

I get that cuckolding is complicated and fraught with potential pain, but it'd be like finding a spanking picture and half the comments being, "Spanking with a paddle is physical violence. It'll only be a matter of time before the spanker is beating them to death with a boat oar."

fountainpen00 said:
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Things To Do:
1. Everyone gets an appointment with an actual relationship therapist, and constructively talks about what they want and don't want. Obviously if someone is suffering from, say, crippling depression, critically low self-esteem, or anyone in the relationship is particularly manipulative, trying this particular kink out is probably a bad idea. You don't have to go it alone, or be afraid to ask for help. This also makes sure everyone is within their own capacity to agree to all of this.

1.5 Medical checks for all. You're exposing a third person to the relationship. Peace of mind for everyone. Of course, in fiction, you only need to worry about communicable diseases as the plot demands it.

2. Discuss the ins and outs with everyone there. What everyone expects and desires from the experimentation.

3. If this extends to an entire lifestyle, actually write up a lifestyle contract. Agreed upon rules and boundaries, what happens if something goes wrong, and how to get out of the situation. Can even include legalities in it.

4. Wellness checks and aftercare. Check in extremely often with everyone involved and see if they're okay still. Set up a time where the relationship just returns to normal for a while. Aftercare is especially important during transition phases.

5. If applicable, set up a few follow up therapy sessions to do check ins on how everything is going.

6. If you change the boundaries, update the contract.

The best part of all that is that the setup could have been as simple as a one page spread montage. Artsy, and everyone reading would have been really impressed by how responsible the characters were. Everything else would have sufficed on a simple off comment. An aside that detracts nothing from the comic.

Things Not To Do:
1. Pursue this kink if anyone involved has a history of being abusive, manipulative, or of cheating.

2. Skip the detailed rules and boundaries while everyone involved is present.

3. Continue regardless of doubts or warning signs going up.

4. Discuss things without people present or in their right minds.

I'm not sure on the status of the first comic in the pool in canon. If it is, Judy uses false pretenses therein and manipulation to effectively cheat on Nick. If it is canon, it flags her for a lot of warning signs. Nick is also acting really out of character in it, showing submissive and placating flags. Also signs of manipulation. Given Nick in the movie is confident, sharp, manipulative himself, yet also hit deep down with self-esteem issues which have hardened him, this is all pretty out of character...

Judy is as well, however. I don't think she'd even consider manipulating her relationship with Nick for her own gratification otherwise. She's a positive and upstanding person who believes in doing the right thing, even against conformity. Then all this leads into them discussing cuckolding? Suspicious, at the very least.

Even if you assume this is completely alternate universe, Nick still displays self-esteem warning signs, and Owen comes off as a manipulative bully quite frequently. He uses nice and mean contrasts to psychologically disarm. Threatening body language to pressure when asking confirmation for things. Pushing them carefully deeper and deeper. Which they asked for, blank check, yes. But that's also a warning sign he never should have agreed to.

All in all, I have reason to doubt that either Nick or Judy were in a healthy, safe mindset to consider doing this to their relationship. There's lots of remarkably simple things that could have been shown to make this safe and healthy, but they're not. Attempts have been made, sort of, which at least puts this as a step healthier than most cuckolding on the site, but it's still a far cry from a healthy relationship.

Practice dangerous kinks safely in real life, everyone. Don't be afraid to get help and research information on how to handle it responsibly. There's nothing wrong with enjoying something, so long as you stay safe! :3 This is just a fictional porn comic. Don't use it as a go to for practicing Cuckolding in real life.

7quadrants said:
The reception of the comic really became a lot more polarized after chapter 6-9, huh?

In all seriousness, I'm realizing the Nick in the comic is really different from his canon self, and not in a way I'm entirely on board with. The comic was alright to start with, but as time went on Nick got more and more screwed over to the point where it's not even very enjoyable anymore. As far as I can tell, that trend isn't gonna stop anytime soon. More importantly, why the hell am I writing a wall of text about a furry porn comic when there's much more interesting things to dedicate time and energy to? And why am I slowly descending into an existential crisis? Because of a cartoon fox getting cucked and acting out-of-character? Goddammit, I've lost control of my life.

TL,DR: I need to stop looking at furry porn, and do something more productive with my time instead.

You're right in every aspect. Though polarized might be a bit of an understatement, heh. This is basically a completely alternate universe at this point. The artist/author probably would have been better off by using completely original characters. That would probably remove a lot of the spite people are showing. Of course, it would also remove a lot of the attention too, and thus, reduce the amount of money the artist is making off it.

I think I'm going to retire from the conversation too, now that my public mental health announcement is done. The comic keeps popping up in my search for cuckolding lewds that are more healthy in nature... or at least that I'm able to pretend are healthy due to not having any context, sadly. But I'll keep trying. I hope you regain your sanity and grasp of reality! D: Mental health is just as important as physical health! Stay safe!

kiroberos said:
Things To Do:
1. Everyone gets an appointment with an actual relationship therapist,

The rest of your advice is good and reasonable, and I'm not going to tell anyone to NOT get a therapist if they think it would help, but the idea that you cannot indulge cuckolding as a kink at all without a therapist's involvement is bonkers to me. It makes sense in the context of this comic given Nick's history especially (although I'm also treating this as an AU where it's not strictly in line with his movie personality), but as a necessary first step?

I was in an open, poly relationship where we occasionally did denial/pseudo-cuckold stuff. Without going into detail, it was lighter than what's happening in this comic and I could ""break"" the ""rules"" anytime. It was purely a good time being had by all.

I feel like there is a fundamental difference in how people understand monogamy. Even at our most committed, I never felt like I had any right or claim to my partner's body, and never felt threatened that they enjoyed continuing to sharing intimacy with other people. I had an expectation of good sexual health and hygiene (I don't want to have sex with someone who's taking STD risks), but my partner's body was never something for me to set boundaries on.

It's totally cool if YOU want to be monogamous and if YOU want to set a boundary for yourself of, "I don't want to have sex with you if you're actively having sex with other people" (compare this to "you're not allowed to have sex with other people" -- establishing a boundary for yourself vs. on your partner). I can understand some people need that kind of exclusivity to feel comfortable; that's absolutely legit. But not everyone feels that way?? And they're not necessarily psychologically damaged because of it?

It really feels like a lot of people have never considered that not everyone is monogamous. It really feels like if I saw a picture of someone handcuffed to a bed and the first comment was "this is sick, kidnapping is a crime."

kiroberos said:
The comic keeps popping up in my search for cuckolding lewds that are more healthy in nature... or at least that I'm able to pretend are healthy due to not having any context, sadly. But I'll keep trying.

Use your blacklist then. Blacklist the artist, or the artist + zootopia if you still want to see their other works.

O///O
Oh wow, that's pretty hot
^w^

kiroberos said:
Snip

Stop getting psychological and acting like this PORN COMIC is irl. Blacklist the cuckold or Zootopia tag, blacklist the artist. Stop throwing wall of text at shit that ain't happening on a fetish comic.

You're literally taking porn seriously and acting like it's irl.

Bruh. Nick's subby and hard as fuck for this, why call him a pushover/unhealthy for enjoying being a sub to a dom dude. This aint cucking at this point they're just in a poly relationship pretending dom/sub play is cuck.

fountainpen00 said:
A husband doesn't own his wife's vagina! She is not his property!

Yeah because that's Owen's property now lmao.

slyly1997 said:
A valid concern that shows how out of Nick has to be in order for this story to "work".

Nick: Confident, doesn't let anyone walk over him, tragically bullied as child.
Amadose Nick: Timid, an absolute floor mat, gets off to being severely mistreated?

And like I said before, I know that Nick says that he's okay, but the way he says it along with how he's drawn makes it look like he's terrified to say no, like he's fearing a divorce. Which doesn't help the fact that there's NEVER any action shown that demonstrates a healthy side to this scenario.

Aftercare between the husband and wife? Only if the bull is included so he can continue to cuck him.

Making sure Nick is okay with what's happening? Nah, he likes it, so Judy can continue ignoring him.

Any actual limits discussed or enforced? By the end of this series, Nick will be living on the streets paying 90% of his income to Judy and her bulls after they've castrated him.

kiroberos said:
Yes, I did just say that. ANY negative kink that someone has, that can spiral into something that can legitimately hurt you, should at the very least have a check in with an actual therapist who you're comfortable talking about it with. I get tired of people thinking every fetish is made equal and perfectly safe to practice in real life. They're not. If you talk things out with someone and can figure out a way that you enjoy to practice a dangerous kink that won't ultimately end up spiraling out of control or hurting you, then more power to you. Enjoy. Anything else, however, is extremely dangerous, and I don't promote that in the slightest.

Every other point you make stems from a rather simple concept. You see them smiling happily and asking for more and more things, deeper and deeper into the kink, and you think, 'wow, they must really want this and be perfectly happy, because nobody ever asks for something and smiles for any other reason.' Well, unfortunately, it doesn't. People can make choices that they definitely do not want, and pretend to enjoy things they definitely do not enjoy, when under any sort of pressure or stigma present. There's a wide variety of reasons for this. Low self-esteem, aggressive bullying, a manipulative or uninformed partner, poor judgement calls... All sorts of things. And as wildly as Nick is completely out of character in the comic, as many others have noticed, I would definitely raise red flags. The very points you show for them having 'established boundaries' were actually anything but. They're just giving Owen a blank check and letting him decide everything. That's not establishing boundaries. That's just a whole lot of red flags.

I'm not saying don't try the kink. Don't put words in my mouth. This all could have been perfectly acceptable if the three of them had gotten some actual help ahead of time, talked things out, established actual specific rules, created a lifestyle contract, set up safewords, put rules in place for aftercare, etc... That's how to show healthy practice of a dangerous kink. Cuckolding, masochism, sadism, extreme bondage, etc. The point is to be safe. Sadly, Owen mostly comes across as a manipulative bully, bouncing back and forth between 'nice' and 'mean' while constantly pushing them further and further down the rabbit hole. Pun intended. Actual psychological manipulation techniques, there.

lmao this comic and people psychologically analyzing every character and interaction. name a more iconic duo. I do honestly agree with a lot of what people say but I swear to god these exact same 3 paragraph criticisms are on every single page of this goddamn comic

Bro, this guy is a demon