Implicating elf → humanoid
Link to implication

Reason:

How orc made it before elf, we will never know.

parasprite said:
How orc made it before elf, we will never know.

Because feral druids from World of Warcraft tend to get tagged as elves despite not looking anything like elves (or humanoid), and I haven't figured out a good solution for that. Besides unimplicating night_elf/blood_elf from elf. :/

Genjar said:
Because feral druids from World of Warcraft tend to get tagged as elves despite not looking anything like elves (or humanoid), and I haven't figured out a good solution for that. Besides unimplicating night_elf/blood_elf from elf. :/

Those shouldn't be tagged as night_elf/blood_elf anyways since, for tagging purposes, we should be treating it the same way as how we treat post-transformation pics. We don't tag human when there's just a picture of a werewolf and World of Warcraft posts are no different.

Unimplicating it could work too, but they would probably still get tagged blood and elf anyways :|

parasprite said:
Unimplicating it could work too, but they would probably still get tagged blood and elf anyways :|

And anybody who mass-tags them that gets reported and dealt with. We'll root out any troublemakers and clean it out. For now, we just need to focus on cleaning up the blood_elf and night_elf tags.

I retagged feral night elf druids as night_elf_(feral) instead of elf.
Did the same to other races too, which improves searchability: for instance, now it's possible to search for tauren tauren_(feral).

Approved.

Any other candidates for humanoid while we're on the subject?

Some other implications might work, such as goblin and asari.
I can't think of any way to draw those as non-humanoids, while still making them recognizable by twys.

Just annoyingly curious, what was is humanoid_temp?

Some of the (more often used) bipedal non-pokémon/digimon/real species/etc tags following, not saying any of these are to be implicated, just giving suggestions; there are probably problems with several of these as I didn't check them all:

• na'vi
• gnome/dwarf
• goblin
• troll
• hylian
• twili (and maybe midna and/or midna_(human))
• viera
• drow
• ogre
• oni
• yautja (ugly motherfuckers)
• sangheili/unggoy/jiralhanae/kig-yar/... (maybe not very human like, but bipedal)
• draenei
• martian
• zora
• miqo'te
• asura
• rito
• tengu
• kappa
• floran
• asari/quarian/turian/salarian/...
• gargoyle
• gungan/twi'lek/togruta/...
• satyr/faun
• nymph
• shokan
• ctarl-ctarl
• tarutaru
• sepilian
• saiyan
• tenno
• beanish
• smurf
• grei
• puwa
• (zeti)
• (nu_mou)
• (arvion)
• (dragon-kin)
• (cyclops)
• (mermaid/merman/siren)
• (demon/succubus/incubus/imp)
• (fairy/pixie)
• (minotaur)

and mithra

Chessax said:

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Very nice list! Thanks for putting that together Chessax, this will be really helpful.

• Most of the Tolkienian/WotC ones should be pretty straightforward.
• I almost feel like an implication of minotaur -> anthro would work, but it feels weird to do so.
• Demon is probably one of the most abused tagging-wise on this list, and would probably never work for us, but is definitely worth being in the wiki.
• midna -1, midna_(human) +1, probably +1 to all of the Zelda races
• drow -> elf
• I thought draenei was also elf? Bah, it's been so long since I've touched that game. >.>
• gargoyle almost feels like borderline anthro to me in some cases, but maybe it's just me. I think humanoid should probably be either exclusive of anthro or implicated to it.
• I recognize some of the other words.

I think we need to be careful with the implications. If the species can be drawn as non-humanoid, then it shouldn't be implicated.

Tengu is good example of that. In mythology, they're shapeshifting birdmen and are often drawn as anthro avians. Which definitely isn't what the humanoid tag is about.

parasprite said:

• Demon is probably one of the most abused tagging-wise on this list, and would probably never work for us, but is definitely worth being in the wiki.

It's always been used as a tag for 'demonic' (horns, spade tail, etc) instead of any specific type of demon. Stereotypical demons and angels are humanoid, but there's plenty of furry ones on the site.

Genjar said:

It's always been used as a tag for 'demonic' (horns, spade tail, etc) instead of any specific type of demon. Stereotypical demons and angels are humanoid, but there's plenty of furry ones on the site.

"My character is part demon because they have red eyes"

Nothing against the tag itself as it has legitimate use, this has always just bugged me slightly.

A few more more seldom used species (mostly for my own reference):

Chessax said:
A few more more seldom used species (mostly for my own reference):

• halfling
• elvaan
• crystal_gem
• dryad
• elin_(tera)
• angewomon/ladydevimon
• bloodsucker/mind_flayer
• puazi
• goron
• desire_demon (a succubus?)
• apex_(starbound)
• felynn
• nord
• tiefling
• keeper_of_the_moon
• seyloid
• (woren)
• (prawn_(district_9))
• (matile)
• (youkai)
• (asar)
• (sogowan)
• (irken)
• (moomin)
• (merfolk)
• (heartless)
• (hylotl)
• (laiski)
• (fire_elemental)

keeper_of_the_moon and seeker_of_the_sun are races?/clans? within the Miqo'te

edidaf said:
keeper_of_the_moon and seeker_of_the_sun are races?/clans? within the Miqo'te

Cool, you sure know your FF races :D, just throwing stuff out.

I made a placeholder implication so this thread doesn't get lost. I also wanted to answer something that I missed.

Chessax said:
Just annoyingly curious, what was is humanoid_temp?

Trying to change a tag type doesn't work very well after it has a certain number of posts (I think 1000-2000+ or so). The more posts a tag has, the more it will give a time out error before it finishes. Since humanoid had ~18000 at the time, changing it would never stick. It's very rare that a tag type needs to be changed like this anyways, so instead of waiting for a fix I went the roundabout way of aliasing it to humanoid_temp, changing the tag type, then aliasing it back. It's kludgy and inelegant, but it worked. /shrug

There was a lot to go through and there were a lot of questionable cases. As a general rule the Tolkienian races got a pass but the alien races didn't unless they were sufficiently human-y.

I'm open to discussion on these so feel free to give your input. Also, if I missed any please let me know. :)

I've made the following changes:

• Implication: na'vi -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: gnome -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: dwarf -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: twili -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: draenei -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: smurf -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: saiyan -> humanoid (approved) Edit: deleted
• Implication: tarutaru -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: twi'lek -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: hylian -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: floran -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: quarian -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: togruta -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: shokan -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: halfling -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: tiefling -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: nord -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: puazi -> humanoid (approved)
• Implication: elvaan -> elf (approved)
• Implication: martian -> alien (approved)
• Implication: ctarl-ctarl -> cat_humanoid (approved)
• Implication: miqo'te -> cat_humanoid (approved)
• Implication: viera -> rabbit_humanoid (approved)
• Implication: rito -> avian_humanoid (approved)
• Implication: elin -> animal_humanoid (approved)
• felynn - Some of these border on anthro, so I'm just going to imply to feline for now
• apex_(starbound) - Same as above except implied to primate

• keeper_of_the_moon/seeker_of_the_sun - Alias/imply to miqo'te? I don't know enough about them to say
• dragon-kin - I think dragon_humanoid might be better if we were to implicate this one
• troll - I'm not touching this one right now due to the "trolling/trollface" connotations. If anybody has any ideas let me know.
• crystal_gem - I still have no idea what these are

• Implication: satyr/faun, nymph/dryad -> humanoid (pending) - I'm not sure about these
• Implication: zeti -> humanoid (pending) - Unsure
• Implication: kappa -> humanoid (pending) - Some are anthro (kind of), some are humanoid. I don't think this one will work
• Implication: asura -> humanoid (pending) - These don't seem to get tagged as humanoid, and seem more anthro-ish to me.
• Implication: grei -> humanoid (pending) - More anthro than humanoid
• Implication: beanish -> humanoid (pending) - What the hell are these?
• Implication: puwa -> humanoid (pending) - I'm not sure about this one. Seems anthro-ish
• Implication: zora -> humanoid (pending) - I'm not sure about this one. Seems anthro-ish to me
• Implication: yautja -> humanoid (pending) - I'm not sure about this one
• Implication: oni -> humanoid (pending) - I'm not sure about this one. Wouldn't it have the same problems that demon has? (e.g., post #544103)

• Implication: midna/midna_(human) -> humanoid (denied) We don't imply characters to species
• Implication: gargoyle -> humanoid (denied) - It's pretty common to draw these a bit anthro-ish
• Implication: gungan -> humanoid (denied) - Nah
• Implication: salarian -> humanoid (denied) - Nah
• Implication: sangheili -> humanoid (denied) - Nah
• Implication: unggoy/jiralhanae -> humanoid (denied) - I'm not gonna bother with these
• Implication: kig-yar -> humanoid (denied) - No
• Implication: tengu -> humanoid (denied) - I see a mix of anthro and humanoid
• Implication: turian -> humanoid (denied) - These don't really fit in humanoid
• Implication: nu_mou -> humanoid (denied) - These seem more anthro in a lot of posts
• Implication: arvion/seyloid -> humanoid (denied) - I have no idea what these are but they don't seem very humanoid
• Implication: siren -> humanoid (denied) Too many forms to really fit in one place. The MLP and Undertale sirens definitely don't help this
• Implication: tenno -> alien (denied) - These don't seem very humanoid

parasprite said:

• Implication: saiyan -> humanoid (approved)

Saiyans can turn into giant apes, thefore the humanoid tag doesn't quite fit for those.

post #521173

• dragon-kin - I think dragon_humanoid might be better if we were to implicate this one

Maybe even an alias, since that's what the dragon-kin tag was meant to be for in the first place.

• troll - I'm not touching this one right now due to the "trolling/trollface" connotations. If anybody has any ideas let me know.

The Homestuck trolls probably should be moved under their own separate tag, since they don't much look like typical fantasy trolls. Troll_(homestuck) (which could be implicated to humanoid)? Though that'd still leave troll split between fantasy trolls and trolling.

• Implication: satyr/faun, nymph/dryad -> humanoid (pending) - I'm not sure about these

Satyr and faun probably fit better under hybrid than plain humanoid. And dryad might fit under flora_fauna...

I don't know what's up with the nymph tag. I think there might be some characters named 'Nymph' mixed in...? Might need to be turned into a disambiguation tag.

• Implication: zeti → humanoid (pending) - Unsure

Better not. Zeena in particular looks anthroish to me, I always thought that she's an anthro chameleon or somesuch.

• Implication: beanish → humanoid (pending) - What the hell are these?

Beanfolk from the DS Mario & Luigi series. The basic form kind of looks like flora_fauna to me, and the Bowser hybrid might still pass of as an anthro. Wouldn't fit under humanoid.

• Implication: oni -> humanoid (pending) - I'm not sure about this one. Wouldn't it have the same problems that demon has? (e.g., post #544103)

Oni is a specific type of Japanese ogre/demon, but I suppose it would be possible to draw them as furry.

Now I'm kind of wondering if some pokemon could be implicated to humanoid. Mr._mime, Machoke and Jynx, for example?

Genjar said:
Saiyans can turn into giant apes, thefore the humanoid tag doesn't quite fit for those.

post #521173

Bah. Damn lore. :(

Implication deleted

Genjar said:
Maybe even an alias, since that's what the dragon-kin tag was meant to be for in the first place.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Genjar said:
Now I'm kind of wondering if some pokemon could be implicated to humanoid. Mr._mime, Machoke and Jynx, for example?

I'd honestly prefer to keep implications off of pokemon, especially since humanoid is a species tag now.