Topic: Spike_(mlp) feral or not?

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Should Spike drawn like in show be considered feral or anthro?

On the one side, he looks kinda anthro (But not on all posts. For me e.g. post #245928 is feral.) and many users seem to not add feral tag to him (Still, many users seem to forgot to add feral tag to anything from fim T.T)

On the other side, nobody seems to tag spike X feral pony, as bestiality and anthro_on_feral, and his adult form seems to be feral.

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Wait, how is sex with feral mlp bestiality? I assume they are sentient enough for this to be void.

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Tagging feral is based on physical features that can be seen, not intelligence. Therefore human/anthro having sex with non-anthro horse is bestiality, human/anthro having sex with Sarah Palin is not.

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Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Tagging feral is based on physical features that can be seen, not intelligence. Therefore human/anthro having sex with non-anthro horse is bestiality, human/anthro having sex with Sarah Palin is not.

What I infer from this is really funny ^^

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Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Tagging feral is based on physical features that can be seen, not intelligence. Therefore human/anthro having sex with non-anthro horse is bestiality, human/anthro having sex with Sarah Palin is not.

I would have to disagree. Bestiality is based on whether one of the partners is a regular animal (as appropriate for that world) and, thus, whether that partner is nonsentient and incapable of consenting to the sex on an equal level to the sentient partner. A character with feral physical characteristics is not necessarily nonsentient and not necessarily non-anthro(pomorphic).

Therefore, a human/anthro having sex with a non-anthro horse is bestiality, but a human/anthro having sex with a feral horse who is sentience is not.

Concerning Spike in particular, I would say that his regular form is non-feral. He has opposable thumbs, an upright stance, is capable of talking, is sentient, and can interact on a human level with others. Adult Spike was very specifically meant to have lost his sentience at the very least and unable to interact on a human level, and would thus be feral. If Regular Spike has sex with an MLPony, as neither partner is non-sentient and thus both are able to consent to the sex on an equal level, it isn't bestiality. If Adult Spike has sex with an MLPony (somehow), as he lacked his regular-form's sentience yet the MLPony still has hers, it would qualify as bestiality.

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@Clawstripe
We're not talking about what would sex with Twilight Sparkle be considered in reality, we're talking about tagging.
This
post #284029
is correctly tagged as bestiality, and it should. Someone who don't know anything about fim is seeing only feral pony with human, and there is Tag What You See Not What You Know rule.

AFAIK sentient characters are considered non-anthro, but not feral.
However non-anthro is aliased to feral on this site there is no distinction between self aware non-anthro, and fully feral character.

No, adult Spike X pony is not bestiality neither is post #138784 nor post #248728
Tag what you see, and this is feral on feral.

Really I thought that those rules about bestiality would be obvious to someone who knew this site for some time.

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If we were to hew as closely to TWYSNWYK as you suggest, Adult Spike with MLPony may qualify as bestiality because "Adult Spike equals non-sentient" is something we know, not something we'd see. Adult Spike would appear more anthro than the feral-appearing MLPony, and someone unfamiliar with the show would, by the definitions set out above, categorize such a pairing as bestiality.

Personally, considering the very nature of the furry fandom, I think that tagging something as bestiality is usually iffy. Feral-shaped characters are often depicted as sentient or sub-sentient and thus don't really qualify as the non-sentients needed for bestiality. In other words, physically feral in the furry fandom is not necessarily a good indicator of non-sentience and a partner in bestiality. It may be that TWYSANWYK would suggest that bestiality not be used as a tag unless a character is clearly depicted non-sentient.

But that opens another can of debate.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Really I thought that those rules about bestiality would be obvious to someone who knew this site for some time.

Please don't assume that, because someone has interpreted the definitions differently, they are ignorant, foolish, or wrong.

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If we were to hew as closely to TWYSNWYK as you suggest, Adult Spike with MLPony may qualify as bestiality because "Adult Spike equals non-sentient" is something we know, not something we'd see. Adult Spike would appear more anthro than the feral-appearing MLPony, and someone unfamiliar with the show would, by the definitions set out above, categorize such a pairing as bestiality.

This is not true at all.
First of all look at feral dragon solo. This is how feral dragon looks like on this site.
I don't see significant difference between post #274518 and something like this

In other words, physically feral in the furry fandom is not necessarily a good indicator of non-sentience and a partner in bestiality.

First of all, let me point you one major error in your logic. This is not furry fandom. This is e621. Tagging rules here are different than dictionary definitions, and rules that other furry sites.
That's right that feral tag is not good indicator of non-sentience. It's not an indicator at all! It's not the purpose of this tag. Same goes for bestiality tag. In wiki definition there is nothing about self awareness etc. because it's not a purpose of this tag. Its purpose is give pictures of human or anthro having sex with feral character. Period. This were rules for digimon, and pokemon
There is no reason, why rules should be different for ponies.

I really would like to have an admin to say something on this, cause I really have a feeling that this is reinventing the wheel.

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Clawstripe said:
Please don't assume that, because someone has interpreted the definitions differently, they are ignorant, foolish, or wrong.

A definition cannot be interpreted: It is definite. That is what the word means. If a definition is arguable at all, then it is insufficiently specified, and needs to be made more specific, but it is still not up for interpretation.

If something truly can be interpreted in multiple valid ways, then it is not a definition: It is a subjective classification.

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We do not have subjective classifications here.

We have rules.

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GreyMaria said:
We do not have subjective classifications here.

We have rules.

(...of thumb) in some cases, at least. :P

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GreyMaria said:
We do not have subjective classifications here.

We have rules.

Yes, well, getting back to the point, rules are like laws in that they sometimes need to be interpreted. Right now we need a lawyer.

Admins, is Spike feral or anthro?

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DrHorse said:
Yes, well, getting back to the point, rules are like laws in that they sometimes need to be interpreted. Right now we need a lawyer.

Admins, is Spike feral or anthro?

He walks on two legs and speaks plain english. He is anthro.

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