Ugh, I feel like a bigger jackass everyday.

I've been in every imageboard and furry site and the intolerance I'm getting from the furry community is baffling. I thought people were more open than this. Furaffinity is ok but, still, if I'm hated everywhere else....

I'm thinking about retiring.

BSting said:
Ugh, I feel like a bigger jackass everyday.

I've been in every imageboard and furry site and the intolerance I'm getting from the furry community is baffling. I thought people were more open than this. Furaffinity is ok but, still, if I'm hated everywhere else....

I'm thinking about retiring.

Hated by a group in the community that gets butthurt as easily as the furry community does isn't a surprise, and should, in fact, be expected at some point.

As far as intolerance goes, how are they being intolerant?

AdmiralSpicyweiner said:
Hated by a group in the community that gets butthurt as easily as the furry community does isn't a surprise, and should, in fact, be expected at some point.

As far as intolerance goes, how are they being intolerant?

Well, being a naive little shit, I try to post a few of my pictures on sites where many fetishes are commonplace. However, they look at my stuff and they call me retarded. It feels like a big joke and the joke is on me. I easily get upset about it, though. I recently made myself a really huge fool. I'm just a bag of shit and I can't find a place to belong in where people would like to help me improve my work instead of shooting me down the first chance I get...

Psh, fuck em. Ya can't be defeatist like that, man, ya wont get anywhere that way. However, you do provide a very vague example. Maybe if you expounded on these occurrences, then propped support/motivation/direction could be given.

AdmiralSpicyweiner said:
Psh, fuck em. Ya can't be defeatist like that, man, ya wont get anywhere that way. However, you do provide a very vague example. Maybe if you expounded on these occurrences, then propped support/motivation/direction could be given.

I do feel defeated. I draw and post stuff that no one, save me and a few individuals, likes.

I did act arrogant when I was taunted, though. It is my fault. I'm just a huge doofus.

k

BSting said:
I do feel defeated. I draw and post stuff that no one, save me and a few individuals, likes.

I did act arrogant when I was taunted, though. It is my fault. I'm just a huge doofus.

You still aren't providing details of what happened, and why. Im here to help, not blindly comfort.

Keep posting. The joke's on them. Maybe the haters will stop being so stung up one day.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Keep posting. The joke's on them. Maybe the haters will stop being so stung up one day.

Oh u.

AdmiralSpicyweiner said:
You still aren't providing details of what happened, and why. Im here to help, not blindly comfort.

He's talking about his beesting fetish. Just look through his uploads and at the comments of said uploads.

"My Strange Addiction" on TLC right now. You're not alone.

=^.~=

Foxy-Raccoon said:
"My Strange Addiction" on TLC right now. You're not alone.

=^.~=

I thought about that too. Didn't know that it's on now...

It is here in texas (at 1:16 am). Self stinging. And hair.

Dude all I can say is draw what you like. If you change to suit what other people want you may not like what you become. Laugh at their hatred joke about if you can... Or you can just troll them for fun with even more elaborate pictures depicting your fetish/art. What do you think scat, watersports or diaper fetish artist do. At times i am scared of what they come up with.....

Since I hang around the MLP post more, the picture I loved the most from you was the pink dash and Derpy's buns of steel. Keep doing what you like and who knows you may make a picture Gangnam style good XD and remember he was singing for more than 15 years or so I think before he got that one hit...

I agree with Falord.

Haters gonna hate, artists gonna art!

=^.^=

I hate your art and your fetish.
It's disturbing.

You know why I am not complaining?
I use the blacklist if I don't like something.

BSting said:
I do feel defeated. I draw and post stuff that no one, save me and a few individuals, likes.

So you make yourself dependent on what other people think about your art, draw something that is disgusting crap for most viewers and then you are sad?
Yeah, that's pretty stupid. Stupid as in "What were you expecting?".

If you are not drawing for yourself but for other people and their approval, then drawing something they don't like will get you hate. That should be a pretty simple concept.

Falord said:
Dude all I can say is draw what you like. If you change to suit what other people want you may not like what you become. Laugh at their hatred joke about if you can... Or you can just troll them for fun with even more elaborate pictures depicting your fetish/art. What do you think scat, watersports or diaper fetish artist do. At times i am scared of what they come up with.....

Since I hang around the MLP post more, the picture I loved the most from you was the pink dash and Derpy's buns of steel. Keep doing what you like and who knows you may make a picture Gangnam style good XD and remember he was singing for more than 15 years or so I think before he got that one hit...

You really think that I can launch something like that?

Heh, no way, it would be funny, though.

You're such a defeatist, man.
If you don't think you can win at all in the first place, then you can't win at all.
Whatsoever.

Der_Traubenfuchs said:
I hate your art and your fetish.
It's disturbing.

You know why I am not complaining?
I use the blacklist if I don't like something.

So you make yourself dependent on what other people think about your art, draw something that is disgusting crap for most viewers and then you are sad?
Yeah, that's pretty stupid. Stupid as in "What were you expecting?".

If you are not drawing for yourself but for other people and their approval, then drawing something they don't like will get you hate. That should be a pretty simple concept.

I do not like what you said, but I can't disagree. Still, my goal is to draw something new. You can get porn just about anywhere from anyone. I just have a special case that makes me stand out.

0/10

At least you didn't draw this

post #286586

EDIT: I saw one of your posts with no stinging (although implied stinging will occur) and it looks like you implied you wanted it to be downvoted, why?

You have a sort of silly fetish. You shouldn't be surprised when people give you flak for it.

Digital_Kindness said:
You have a sort of silly fetish. You shouldn't be surprised when people give you flak for it.

On a scale from "hot" to "blech", his fetish is barely a "meh". Come on, now: With phallic egglaying, testicular exposure, and vomit reuptake being even marginally popular in the furry community, not to mention the overwhelming quantity of sadistic and masochistic bondage and discipline artwork fucking eveyrwhere, and you'll call it silly to like bee stings?

Just what.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
He's talking about his beesting fetish. Just look through his uploads and at the comments of said uploads.

Herp! I now feel like the biggest idiot...

Foobaria said:
On a scale from "hot" to "blech", his fetish is barely a "meh". Come on, now: With phallic egglaying, testicular exposure, and vomit reuptake being even marginally popular in the furry community, not to mention the overwhelming quantity of sadistic and masochistic bondage and discipline artwork fucking eveyrwhere, and you'll call it silly to like bee stings?

Just what.

I called it silly, not fucked up and gross. Whatever melts his butter is his own business, and I have his art blacklisted because I think it's stupidity transcends any quality of work merit, so it doesn't bother me. But when you have a fetish that you know is pretty fucking weird and then you show it off to arguably one of the most judgemental of communities (furries in general), you shouldn't be surprised when you don't get the positive feedback you think you deserve.

BSting said:
Ugh, I feel like a bigger jackass everyday.

I've been in every imageboard and furry site and the intolerance I'm getting from the furry community is baffling. I thought people were more open than this.

You're assuming the people of the furry community are more tolerant than other people.

People of the furry community are other people.

I'm thinking about retiring.

You can't quit a fetish. If you do, then it really wasn't your fetish to begin with.

It is a pain dealing with intolerance towards your personal ideas and beliefs, and you're going to find that wherever you go. It may or may not be within a sexual context, but somewhere along the line you're going to find yourself in a very alienated, ostracized position.

The worst thing you can do in that situation is let their intolerance make you try to change who you are.

Protip: You can't change who you are.

Taking a break from the furry community (or any community, really) every once and awhile is a very good idea in my experience. Everyone needs vacation time.

I personally think your fetish is stupid, but I don't whine about it because i'm a mature adult. I just let it be. We all have vices, some weirder than others. My definition of fetish generally involves something sexual, whether it's crotch stomping or otherwise, and getting stung in the ass by bees doesn't seem like a fetish to me, just an obsession.

KloH0und said:
Helpful advice.

Thank you. I'll try and take a break from the nonsense.

You could always try drawing honey bees hunting wasps with mini shotguns or something.

I try to, but I don't fully understand your fetish. However, I've always respected that it's something you enjoy personally and understood that that's your prerogative.

I actually admire the way you handle interaction with others about the subject. If you don't mind me saying: you're very self-aware of your interest in bee stings as a sexual fetish, and I think that is a very, very good thing.

You understand that your fetish is unusual - even by the furry community's standards - and that many, many other people won't share your view and may even criticize you for it. Yet you're never defensive; you don't make up excuses. You know it's just some thing that you like, and you don't dwell too much on explaining or justifying it to other people. At the same time, you're very respectful of the fact that others don't enjoy your fetish and you don't try to force your view on anyone else.

Frankly, I very much wish that every other user on e621 handled their fetishes the same way you handle yours.

:/

KloH0und said:
I try to, but I don't fully understand your fetish. However, I've always respected that it's something you enjoy personally and understood that that's your prerogative.

I actually admire the way you handle interaction with others about the subject. If you don't mind me saying: you're very self-aware of your interest in bee stings as a sexual fetish, and I think that is a very, very good thing.

You understand that your fetish is unusual - even by the furry community's standards - and that many, many other people won't share your view and may even criticize you for it. Yet you're never defensive; you don't make up excuses. You know it's just some thing that you like, and you don't dwell too much on explaining or justifying it to other people. At the same time, you're very respectful of the fact that others don't enjoy your fetish and you don't try to force your view on anyone else.

Frankly, I very much wish that every other user on e621 handled their fetishes the same way you handle yours.

:/

That's very kind of you to say. I'm humbled by your words, sir. Thank you.

As I said, it's a great pain having to deal with people's intolerances. But that's just how people are; don't get too hung up on trying to change that. Just take solace in the fact that you control how you react to them, and if your reaction causes you to come out as a better person, then you've already left them in the dust.

Oh, and before I said that I don't fully understand your fetish.

What I do understand is that you like butts.

I like butts, too. :p

KloH0und said:
I like butts, too. :p

I like butt cleavage :P

=~.^=

If everyone was tolerant of each other, we wouldn't of had all these wars would we now?

AlastairWhitehall said:
If everyone was tolerant of each other, we wouldn't of had all these wars would we now?

We could have a friendly war.

Aeshma said:
We could have a friendly war.

Food fight!

I honestly don't think people hate you, not around here anyway. They don't get the bee thing, they aren't into it, and they'd like the art more without the bees, but that's it. Doesn't mean they hate you. They just don't get you, and that's fine. Don't take it personally.

What may be another problem could be that your fetish is in no way connected to sex, just to pain.
What I mean with this is, if you see someone in bondage gear, with someone dripping hot wax on them then that also hurts, but the person in question is (often) not only willingly in this situation but will also enjoy this, more importantly however, there is also the other part where this procedure is in the brain of most people as a form of foreplay before the eventually ensuing sex.
That is the more important part of a fetish, its connection to a sexual act, your bee sting fetish, or better yet, your artwork of said fetish is lacking exactly this, there some nude people getting stung and that's it.

For a proper fetish, how does the sex come into play?

One idea would be to put a female in bondage gear and use the bees as some form of hardcore punishment for whatever the girl in question is guilty, she gets aroused through the pain and some romping ensues, voilà fetish sexualised.
Another option would be that 'magical semen' somehow helps against bee stings and you got another solution. Have some dudes jerk of on the rear and you will have some people looking at it and asking their boners why they would do this to them.

Be creative, there are enough options to please your fetish and the people looking at it.

NotMeNotYou said:
For a proper fetish, how does the sex come into play?

I like butts. Butts are locomotive organs, not reproductive ones. There's nothing sexual about butts in and of themselves; they're not involved in the act of sexual reproduction (at least not directly).

However, if I look at this image:

post #206460

I can say I am sexually aroused by it to some degree. It's just a butt. There's nothing overtly sexual going on in the image: there aren't any sexual acts being performed in it; the character isn't even naked.

The same thing can apply to anything. A fetish doesn't necessarily have to be in an overtly sexual context for it to be sexually arousing.

...if you see someone in bondage gear, with someone dripping hot wax on them then that also hurts, but the person in question is (often) not only willingly in this situation but will also enjoy this...

Masochism is deriving enjoyment from experiencing pain.

Sadism is deriving enjoyment from inflicting and/or witnessing pain.

I believe BSting's fetish is a mild version of the latter. The sexual pleasure he derives from witnessing bee stings is largely independent of the willingness of the victim.

One idea would be to put a female in bondage gear and use the bees as some form of hardcore punishment for whatever the girl in question is guilty, she gets aroused through the pain and some romping ensues, voilà fetish sexualised.

Putting his fetish into a sexual context (BDSM) would only change just that: the context. I don't think that would suddenly make us understand it any more than we already do.

Plus, BSting may not be interested in that particular context for his fetish. Glasses can be a person's fetish. That doesn't necessarily mean librarians (an occupation stereotypically associated with wearing glasses) are a context that person would enjoy his or her fetish in. There are plenty of subtle variations in personal preferences like that, especially when it comes to sex.

Judging from his work, BSting doesn't want to dress his fetish up in some blatantly sexual, stereotypically BDSM setting. He appreciates having a more "casual" atmosphere to it.

KloH0und said:
I like butts. Butts are locomotive organs, not reproductive ones. There's nothing sexual about butts in and of themselves; they're not involved in the act of sexual reproduction (at least not directly).

That is not directly true, not you liking butts but that butts have nothing sexual about them, butts and boobs serve the same purpose in that they are used to display the health of the individual but also to entice the chosen partner.
You, and me, being slightly aroused by that butt is simply our programming talking. Some more than others, but nearly everyone will do that.

Feet would have been a better example, though there is also often a sexual context there, either drawn (foot job) or implied by the artist (foot job, serving the owner of said foot by cleaning it [would overlap into Submissive]), or implied by the viewer.

KloH0und said:
The same thing can apply to sadism (which BSting's fetish is a version of, I believe). A fetish doesn't necessarily have to be in an overtly sexual context for it to be sexually arousing.

Sadism is a strange thing, especially since there are a at least two types of sadism.
There is the one where the simple domination and power over someone's well being or life triggers endorphins and adrenaline, but they won't get aroused through this.
Then there is the sadism where the same things trigger the sex drive, the extreme form of that is even filed under paraphilia and thus is a mental defect, alas only a handful of people will qualify for that type of sadism.

NotMeNotYou said:
One idea would be to put a female in bondage gear and use the bees as some form of hardcore punishment for whatever the girl in question is guilty, she gets aroused through the pain and some romping ensues, voilà fetish sexualised.

KloH0und said:
Putting his fetish into a sexual context (BDSM) would only change just that: the context. I don't think that would suddenly make us understand it any more than we already do.

It wasn't my intention to change how others view the direct fetish, it is supposed to just be a way to compromise between audience and artist, you can't put a comedian who jokes about amputees in a room full of amputees.
Well, you can, chances are that they can't do something against it but this isn't really the proper audience to appreciate the content.

I really just wanted to be responsible for some "Why Boner?" pictures.

NotMeNotYou said:
Feet would have been a better example, though there is also often a sexual context there...

If you take a look at this page, you'll see an animated gif of a pair of feet in a (mostly) asexual context. But if you'll look at the comments, you can see a few people that got quite *ahem* excited from seeing just that.

But you're right, fetishes are often rendered in sexually explicit or implicit situations. They don't have to be.

Again, it depends on what the artist wants the mood and atmosphere of a particular piece to be. Not every piece of pornography has to be flat-out, uninhibited debauchery. Counter-balancing it with some more subtle forms of erotica every once and awhile is quite pleasant, in my opinion.

It wasn't my intention to change how others view the direct fetish, it is supposed to just be a way to compromise between audience and artist, you can't put a comedian who jokes about amputees in a room full of amputees.

Fair enough. I was just saying it may not be in BSting's personal interest to draw something like that. However a little extra variety in an artist's portfolio never hurt, and sometimes you do need to play to the crowd.

I really just wanted to be responsible for some "Why Boner?" pictures.

What do you think is going through my head when I draw stuff like this?

This why I love this site, you can discuss anything civilised

KloH0und said:

What do you think is going through my head when I draw stuff like this?

bucket wheel excavators next

While I have no opinion on this, I have to say I love how civilized this discussion is given the content :P

furballs_dc said:
"bucket wheel excavators next"

Dem scoops.

CamKitty said:
While I have no opinion on this, I have to say I love how civilized this discussion is given the content :P

*eats popcorn*

It sure is entertaining seeing them go at it in a classy discussion.

On another note, I feel much better.

Howzabout this, you can post 2 equal pics, one with bees, to keep up your fetish, and one without bees, to please the masses. Remember, almost anything that isn't vanilla or at least within retrospect of it is going to receive a lower score than its vanilla counterpart.

furballs_dc said:
bucket wheel excavators next

Do it do it do it do it do it
doooo iiiiiit

But on topic, I'll throw in my 2 cents.
I totally get the sting thing (...unintended)
It's a form of S/M. Pleasure from pain. Or at least I remember you describing it as such.
If you ask someone who's into S/M how they can possibly enjoy pain, they're most likely going to explain how it's a completely different kind of pain from, let's say, getting your finger stuck in a doorframe. It's a slow, sensual, carefully controlled kind of pain It's actually quite similar to acupuncture or shakti mat therapy in function.
However...
I've gotten stung by a few bumblebees in my time (not many actual bees around these parts), and the kind of pain that gets you is genuinely unpleasant in every way. Absolutely horrible, the kind you'd think no one could possibly enjoy. Or even enjoy inflicting onto others unless they're genuinely "distressed". So I think that's what confuses a lot of people.

But I really don't take much interest in your fetish, gender, or sexuality in general, and I don't expect you to care about mine either! The only thing that matters here is what you type, and most importantly, what you're willing to MAKE others care about.

(Jayfeather) said:
Howzabout this, you can post 2 equal pics, one with bees, to keep up your fetish, and one without bees, to please the masses. Remember, almost anything that isn't vanilla or at least within retrospect of it is going to receive a lower score than its vanilla counterpart.

That's already been suggested. He didn't seem to care for the idea.

BSting said:
*eats popcorn*

It sure is entertaining seeing them go at it in a classy discussion.

On another note, I feel much better.

Pass the popcorn, dude

TheHuskyK9 said:
Pass the popcorn, dude

Speaking of popcorn, I stumbled upon this:
post #109488

That's just silly, Joltik is considerably larger than that.
About 4 inches from head to tail/butt.

Hammie said:
That's just silly, Joltik is considerably larger than that.
About 4 inches from head to tail/butt.

Ya, just checked, it's 4 inches. Cute though

BSting said:
Ugh, I feel like a bigger jackass everyday.

I've been in every imageboard and furry site and the intolerance I'm getting from the furry community is baffling. I thought people were more open than this. Furaffinity is ok but, still, if I'm hated everywhere else....

I'm thinking about retiring.

People don't like your fetish because frankly it seems kind of dumb. That being said however, either do what you previously suggested and give up, change nothing and feel sorry for yourself (not recommended) draw what they want you to and silence some of your critics, while possibly alienating your earlier audience; or thicken your skin and simply do what you want anyway, or something inbetween.

Those are essentially your options. But realise that you will almost certianly be criticised, fairly and unfairly, harshly and softly, constructively and destructively (and of those types of criticism only the direct opposites are mutually exclusive.) with varying intensity, volume and all-of-the-above no matter what you do.

How you deal with and how much criticism you can take is probably going to predict your decision on how to handle it. This is maybe not what you wan't to hear, but I'm being honest.

therabbidwanker said:
People don't like your fetish because frankly it seems kind of dumb.

Why does it seem dumb to you?

I just love it when people say that but don't explain any further...

Munkelzahn said:
Why does it seem dumb to you?

I just love it when people say that but don't explain any further...

I didn't want it to distract from the actual point I was making (that criticism is essentially inescapeable and a part of life) but if you insist; It's hard to put my finger on exactly why it seems so stupid to me but if I had to pick a reason and go with it it's simply because it's ludricously idiosyncratic, overly narrow and specific and lastly it is very, very obtuse and therefore hard to imagine why anyone would find it sexually arousing.

Foobaria said:
That's already been suggested. He didn't seem to care for the idea.

No, I care. And I do that quite often.

therabbidwanker said:
I didn't want it to distract from the actual point I was making (that criticism is essentially inescapeable and a part of life) but if you insist; It's hard to put my finger on exactly why it seems so stupid to me but if I had to pick a reason and go with it it's simply because it's ludricously idiosyncratic, overly narrow and specific and lastly it is very, very obtuse and therefore hard to imagine why anyone would find it sexually arousing.

So... Because it is very peculiar and precise, that automatically makes it stupid?

It may just be me, but I don't follow your logic.

BSting said:
So... Because it is very peculiar and precise, that automatically makes it stupid?

It may just be me, but I don't follow your logic.

It's besides the ACTUAL point I was making, but yes (I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you read the whole thing and didn't simply look up the definition of idosyncratic) that is why I think it's stupid it's hard to see why it would be arousing.

Now tell me how you intend to deal with the criticism you mentioned in your OP.

...it's simply because it's ludricously idiosyncratic, overly narrow and specific and lastly it is very, very obtuse and therefore hard to imagine why anyone would find it sexually arousing.

So, being attracted to a fantastical amalgam of a human and a particular animal species that exists only as a product of someone's sexually-charged imagination isn't idiosyncratic and overly narrow?

It's besides the ACTUAL point I was making

We know the point you were making. No one here is arguing that people shouldn't need to deal with criticism.

That topic's over, and now we're trying to determine why you're taking the observation that bee stings as a sexual fetish is arbitrarily explicit and running that into the conclusion that the fetish is "stupid."

What I'm getting from you is that BSting's fetish doesn't fall within some inexplicably-defined realm of acceptable of sexual interest, therefore it is stupid. That there's some guideline out there for fetishes and anything that doesn't adhere to those parameters shouldn't even qualify as a fetish. That's the line of logic I'm deriving from your posts.

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. Honestly, I think you just need to find a better way to word your conclusion.

KloH0und said:
So, being attracted to a fantastical amalgam of a human and a particular animal species that exists only as a product of someone's sexually-charged imagination isn't idiosyncratic and overly narrow?

No, because that could be literally any species of animal in any setting and can be used in conjunction with literally any other fetish so it is actually pretty fuckng expansive.

And last but not least, THATS. NOT. MY. FUCKING. POINT.

Next post that ignores everything beyond the first sentence I'm disregarding since it was intended solely as an aside.

therabbidwanker said:
and lastly it is very, very obtuse

Obtuse is more or less an impressive-sounding synonym for "dumb", though I'm not sure it can be applied to fetishes (yes, I had to look it up).
So basically, you've answered my question "why is it dumb" with "because it's dumb". Circular reasoning!

Munkelzahn said:
Obtuse is more or less an impressive-sounding synonym for "dumb", though I'm not sure it can be applied to fetishes (yes, I had to look it up).
So basically, you've answered my question "why is it dumb" with "because it's dumb". Circular reasoning!

I meant to say perpendicular, as in it's at right angles to conventional sexuality; it's very hard to see where it's coming from.

therabbidwanker said:
I meant to say perpendicular, as in it's at right angles to anything even remotely sexual.

Perpendicular is a strictly geometric term and at best is loosely related to describing the topic at hand. Even then, you're simply reiterating your original argument: bee stings are "irrelevant" to sexual interests.

Munkelzahn's right. You're just throwing words around to hide the fact that you can't adequately explain your reasoning.

This discussion isn't going to go anywhere.

KloH0und said:
Perpendicular is a strictly geometric term and at best is loosely related to describing the topic at hand. Even then, you're simply reiterating your original argument: bee stings are "irrelevant" to sexual interests.

Munkelzahn's right. You're just throwing around words to hide the fact that you can't adequately explain your reasoning.

This discussion isn't going to go anywhere.

What is a metaphor.

I can adequately explain my reasoning and I believe I have; I'm using the words I am because they are the best ones I can think of to describe something that I ADMIT I'm not entirely sure about.
---------------------------------------------

But that's fine, I will yield this point to the lot of you if only to allow us to move on to discussion of how BSting intends to respond to the criticism that has been getting him down, lately (the reason for this thread, no less!) now how does one adress that point?

therabbidwanker said:
I meant to say perpendicular

I think you meant "orthogonal". Geeks/nerds sometimes use it to mean that two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orthogonal ("statistically independent")

Munkelzahn said:
I think you meant "orthogonal". Geeks/nerds sometimes use it to mean that two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orthogonal ("statistically independent")

http://thesaurus.infoplease.com/orthogonal

In any case, it is clear what I meant to say; there is no way it could not be clear by now.

I have no clue what you were trying to say.
Mostly because I didn't bother reading through all of that mess.

As to the validity of bee stings as a fetish, I provide the following points:
A bee's stinger is phallic in nature.
The act of stinging is insertive in nature.
The sting injects a biological substance from the injector into the injected which shadows the act of insemination.

Given this, I say it's perfectly valid as a sexual fetish even if largely symbolic in it's sexuality.
After all, many fetishes do in fact rely on similar symbolism.

Hammie said:
I have no clue what you were trying to say.
Mostly because I didn't bother reading through all of that mess.

As to the validity of bee stings as a fetish, I provide the following points:
A bee's stinger is phallic in nature.
The act of stinging is insertive in nature.
The sting injects a biological substance from the injector into the injected which shadows the act of insemination.

Given this, I say it's perfectly valid as a sexual fetish even if largely symbolic in it's sexuality.
After all, many fetishes do in fact rely on similar symbolism.

> Had no idea what you're trying to say
> Didn't bother reading

Well, there's your problem.

therabbidwanker said:
[I agree for the sake of argument that bee stings are a perfectly valid fetish, even if others apparently do not like it].

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That being said however, either do what you previously suggested and give up, change nothing and feel sorry for yourself (not recommended) draw what they want you to and silence some of your critics, while possibly alienating your earlier audience; or thicken your skin and simply do what you want anyway, or something inbetween.

Those are essentially your options. But realise that you will almost certianly be criticised, fairly and unfairly, harshly and softly, constructively and destructively (and of those types of criticism only the direct opposites are mutually exclusive.) with varying intensity, volume and all-of-the-above no matter what you do.

How you deal with and how much criticism you can take is probably going to predict your decision on how to handle it. This is maybe not what you wan't to hear, but I'm being honest.

therabbidwanker said:
> Had no idea what you're trying to say
> Didn't bother reading

Well, there's your problem.

Ah, but you sir said that there was "no way it could not be clear by now", and there is in fact a way.
Therefor, you were incorrect in your statement.

Hammie said:
Ah, but you sir said that was "no way it could not be clear by now", and there is in fact a way.
Therefor, you were incorrect in your statement.

Yes and you are extremely pedantic, there is no way you could be more pedantic.

therabbidwanker said:
Yes and you are extremely pedantic, there is no way you could be more pedantic.

(Yes, I know you actually could be more pedantic; don't.)

therabbidwanker said:
...there is no way you could be more pedantic.

On the contrary I can easily be more pedantic simply by arguing that I can be more pedantic.
By doing so I further display my knowledge of trivial details and further my pedanticism.

Edit: Ninja'd!

therabbidwanker said:
It's besides the ACTUAL point I was making, but yes (I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you read the whole thing and didn't simply look up the definition of idosyncratic) that is why I think it's stupid it's hard to see why it would be arousing.

Now tell me how you intend to deal with the criticism you mentioned in your OP.

therabbidwanker said:
It's besides the ACTUAL point I was making, but yes (I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you read the whole thing and didn't simply look up the definition of idosyncratic) that is why I think it's stupid it's hard to see why it would be arousing.

Now tell me how you intend to deal with the criticism you mentioned in your OP.

Realize that not every has the same tastes I do, yet hope that they still like me all the same?

BSting said:
Realize that not every has the same tastes I do, yet hope that they still like me all the same?

Oh you're fine. =^.^=
but dat mass insecticide...