Implicating orca → dolphin
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Reason:

Orcas, despite being named "Killer Whales," are actually dolphins, not whales.

The existing implication to whale should be removed.
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Furrin_Gok said:
Orcas, despite being named "Killer Whales," are actually dolphins, not whales.

Cetacean needed. JK, +1

This has come up in the committee before, and was denied.
All species in Cetacea are whales. Including dolphins and orcas, which are in the toothed whale suborder.

Reordering it like this might work, though:

• whale
• baleen_whale
• blue_whale
• humpback_Whale
• etc.
• toothed_whale
• dolphin
• orca
• sperm_whale

That'd retain searchability while being more accurate. It'd require two new tags, but those would mostly get tagged from the implications. No manual work needed.

when person types "dolphin" in search bar, i dont think that they want to see orcas

Mutisija said:
when person types "dolphin" in search bar, i dont think that they want to see orcas

I most certainly do, after all, orcas are dolphins. I read "Whale" and I think the big fat marine animals, but orcas, while larger than your standard dolphin, still have the skinnier shape of dolphins.

Furrin_Gok said:
I most certainly do, after all, orcas are dolphins.

Take a look at the dinosaur page.

If you'll notice, pteranodon, icthyosaurus, and several others are implicated to dinosaur despite not being dinosaurs.

The thing is, e621 tries to capture the common usage of terms, rather than taxomonic accuracy. We have several incorrect implications because they nonetheless are in line with how words are commonly used, rather than their absolute accuracy.

Another good example is that human does not imply ape, and ape does not imply monkey. As it happens, humans are apes and apes are monkeys (which yes, makes humans monkeys). That is not the common usage though, so we don't have that set of implications.

Likewise, regardless of whether you want to see orcas if you search for dolphins, that is not what most people mean when they search for dolphin.

While I think it would be kind of awesome if we had a technically accurate tagging system for its own sake, it would also be not all that functional for helping users to find what they're looking for.

I like Genjar's solution though.

Clawdragons said:
Take a look at the dinosaur page.

If you'll notice, pteranodon, icthyosaurus, and several others are implicated to dinosaur despite not being dinosaurs.

The thing is, e621 tries to capture the common usage of terms, rather than taxomonic accuracy. We have several incorrect implications because they nonetheless are in line with how words are commonly used, rather than their absolute accuracy.

Another good example is that human does not imply ape, and ape does not imply monkey. As it happens, humans are apes and apes are monkeys (which yes, makes humans monkeys). That is not the common usage though, so we don't have that set of implications.

Likewise, regardless of whether you want to see orcas if you search for dolphins, that is not what most people mean when they search for dolphin.

While I think it would be kind of awesome if we had a technically accurate tagging system for its own sake, it would also be not all that functional for helping users to find what they're looking for.

I like Genjar's solution though.

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Compare these two. They look nothing alike.
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These two, however, only suffer from size_difference.

Sure, but that's not how people generally use the terms, and we go by common usage, not taxonomic accuracy.

I do sympathize, trust me, but I just don't think this is the solution.

Taxonomic accuracy is but a pipedream and it makes me a sad poof.

Is anyone opposed to the tag tree solution I posted earlier? I'll give it a few days, and then pester RD about it if nobody objects by then.

I think it looks pretty nice. Pretty low impact and good organization.

Genjar said:
Is anyone opposed to the tag tree solution I posted earlier? I'll give it a few days, and then pester RD about it if nobody objects by then.

It does at least group Orcas and dolphins together, so sure. toothed_whale -sperm_whale would definitely work out. I would not want to see sperm whales in my dolphin-esque searches. Pugs of the sea.

Genjar said:
This has come up in the committee before, and was denied.
All species in Cetacea are whales. Including dolphins and orcas, which are in the toothed whale suborder.

Reordering it like this might work, though:

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That'd retain searchability while being more accurate. It'd require two new tags, but those would mostly get tagged from the implications. No manual work needed.

Works for me.