Had to start this thread manually, apologies. :c

Was discussed briefly in forum #167541

The posts in here can either be cleaned up and moved to the new holding object tag, while all the subtags can imply holding without making it a disambiguation, or.. something. Dunno how this would be better handled.

I've edited the wiki to reflect the new organization, seen here:

Subtags:

• holding body parts (a character holding/squeezing their own body parts)
• holding butt
• holding breasts
• holding penis
• holding balls
• holding leg
• holding hands (an exception to the rule)
• holding object
• holding book
• holding condom
• holding flower
• holding glass
• holding sex_toy
• holding weapon

Not to be confused with:

• grabbing (a character holding/squeezing another character's body parts)
• butt grab
• breast grab
• penis grab
• ball grab
• leg grab
• arm grab

Bumping to support a holding -> holding_(disambiguation) alias and the use of holding_body_part and holding_object subclasses.

+1

Moved hold alias over and approved both -> holding_(disambiguation)

Trimmed holding_(disambiguation) from 4000+ to about 1400.

Could use some implications (holding_book -> holding_object, etc). Having to add the holding_object tag manually to thousands of posts is getting slightly tiresome.

Genjar said:
Trimmed holding_(disambiguation) from 4000+ to about 1400.

Could use some implications (holding_book -> holding_object, etc). Having to add the holding_object tag manually to thousands of posts is getting slightly tiresome.

Feel free to leave the base tag off, I'll look through the tags now and see what I can dig up. I'll update this post when I'm done.

I've made the following changes:

• Implication: holding_book -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_condom -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_flower -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_glass -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_sex_toy -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_bottle -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_phone -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_underwear -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_underwear -> underwear (approved)
• Implication: holding_leash -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_tool -> holding_object (approved)

Edit 2: A few more

• Implication: holding_umbrella -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_umbrella -> umbrella (approved)
• Implication: holding_phone -> phone (approved)
• Implication: holding_food -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_food -> food (approved)
• Implication: holding_book -> book (approved)
• Implication: holding_leash -> leash (approved)
• Implication: holding_book -> book (approved)

Excellent, thanks.
Holding_gift could probably also be implicated. It's kind of specific, but it seems like a theme that someone would want to search for.

I also created a couple of temporary holding tags: holding_money and holding_camera. Since those keep popping up often while I'm sorting through these. Not sure if those should actually be kept, but for now, I'll tag the ones that I run across.

...and here's a problem that I keep running into while sorting these: what do whips count as?

post #610206

Would it depend on the situation? Holding_weapon for ones that are used as a weapon, and holding_sex_toy for domination...?

Genjar said:
Excellent, thanks.
Holding_gift could probably also be implicated. It's kind of specific, but it seems like a theme that someone would want to search for.

I also created a couple of temporary holding tags: holding_money and holding_camera. Since those keep popping up often while I'm sorting through these. Not sure if those should actually be kept, but for now, I'll tag the ones that I run across.

I'm gonna hold off on doing more for the moment. I'll be going through them again over the next couple days so feel free to add to them as needed.

Genjar said:
...and here's a problem that I keep running into while sorting these: what do whips count as?

post #610206

Would it depend on the situation? Holding_weapon for ones that are used as a weapon, and holding_sex_toy for domination...?

Good question. Whips are more based on intimidation than inflicting actual damage (most actually make pretty crappy weapons) but impractical or not they probably fit more under weapons than not. So this might work okay.

Whips and riding crops on the other hand are both kind of borderline as sex toys, but it kind of breaks apart depending on context. For instance

post #699029

Stuff like this doesn't really belong having the sex_toy tag, so I think implying it directly probably isn't a good idea.

I've now trimmed the holding_(disambiguation) down to ~75 posts.
The rest are on my blacklist (plus one post where I honestly can't figure out what's being held), someone else will need to sort those.

Genjar said:
I've now trimmed the holding_(disambiguation) down to ~75 posts.
The rest are on my blacklist (plus one post where I honestly can't figure out what's being held), someone else will need to sort those.

I'll sort it. Most of them seem to be mistags of lifting and hug.

Also, should we use something like holding_character in the case of a macro character holding up a normal size character or do we stick with lifting for these?

(Edit: All remaining posts with this tag are examples of this) ^

DragonFox69 said:
I'll sort it. Most of them seem to be mistags of lifting and hug.

Also, should we use something like holding_character in the case of a macro character holding up a normal size character or do we stick with lifting for these?

There's also cradling. The difference between that and the other tags such as carrying and lifting is... a bit vague.

Genjar said:
There's also cradling. The difference between that and the other tags such as carrying and lifting is... a bit vague.

Feel free to nuke 2/3 of those. Splitting those tags up arbitrarily is like trying to cradle lift carry hold a litter of kittens.

Genjar said:
There's also cradling. The difference between that and the other tags such as carrying and lifting is... a bit vague.

parasprite said:
Feel free to nuke 2/3 of those. Splitting those tags up arbitrarily is like trying to cradle lift carry hold a litter of kittens.

The only notable difference I've seen is that the wiki says they depend on whether there is movement or implied movement shown.

Maybe alias:

carrying -> lifting
cradling -> lifting?

DragonFox69 said:

Maybe alias:

carrying -> lifting
cradling -> lifting?

Might want to pull out stuff like holding_character (I don't know if there's a tag for this right now) beforehand, but I could get behind this. +1

parasprite said:
Might want to pull out stuff like holding_character (I don't know if there's a tag for this right now) beforehand, but I could get behind this. +1

The tag is empty right now, I didn't tag the last posts with holding_(disambiguation) (38) with it until it was agreed that it was the correct tag to use.

parasprite said:
Feel free to nuke 2/3 of those. Splitting those tags up arbitrarily is like trying to cradle lift carry hold a litter of kittens.

Especially when the wiki entries don't match the common usage.

Cradling usually means holding someone in both arms like a baby. Which isn't how our wiki describes it. And as the result, it's not tagged consistently. Not sure if it'd be better to narrow it down to that specific type of carrying or simply alias it away, but it definitely wouldn't work as the main tag. Might still be worth keeping, since we already have other tags for specific kinds of carrying: piggyback, on_shoulders, etc.

As for the other two, lifting and carrying are often also tagged for objects. So those might not work as the main tag either, although being able to implicate stand_and_carry_position to carrying would make sense.

Maybe we do need some kind of carrying_character or holding_character tag. That'd at least make the usage more obvious. And perhaps lifting could be separated into subtags: lifting_object, lifted_by_tail, etc?

There's also lifted, which could be aliased to one of the above.

Carrying seems like the least active-sounding name with a neutral meaning out of all of them (lifting doesn't really work for piggyback once they are already "lifted", cradling doesn't work for objects and also connotes cuddling/baby/affection). Holding seems like a close second.

• holding/carrying - Similar meanings, we might be able to combine these. Alternatively something like: carrying for carrying characters, holding for everything else (probably won't work well in practice).
• cradling - Purge most of it, use for tagging stuff more along the lines of "cradling a baby" instead
• lifting/lifted - Nuke

That seems good. Other boorus also use carrying in similar way, so I think it would work.

Merging most of cradling into carrying seems like a good place to start. Currently the only difference between those is implied movement, which isn't easy to tag for still images. And even if carrying no longer implies motion, users can search for that with (for instance) flying carrying.

I'll update the wiki description and begin sorting those tomorrow, unless someone objects.

Edit: Lift also needs to be sorted, possibly even disambiguated. It's a mix of lifted limbs (raised_leg), lifted clothing, and carrying.

...there's also held. Just noting that down so I won't forget about it.

Genjar said:
Currently the only difference between those is \[cradling\] implied movement

Regardless of what happens here, I'm pulling that from the wiki now. It's both impractical to tag with and makes no sense linguistically.

I've started using holding_character for posts like this:

post #586807

for now to help keep these posts in one place until a decision is reached. I'll update the wiki on it's current usage.

DragonFox69 said:
I've started using holding_character for posts like this:

post #586807

for now to help keep these posts in one place until a decision is reached. I'll update the wiki on it's current usage.

I've been using lifted for that forever. Cradling is also related.

DragonFox69 said:
I've started using holding_character for posts like this:

post #586807

for now to help keep these posts in one place until a decision is reached. I'll update the wiki on it's current usage.

Good work.
I tagged a few more, and it's more common than I thought. Looks like a keeper to me.

Circeus said:
I've been using lifted for that forever. Cradling is also related.

As discussed earlier, cradling is being phased out. Most posts will be merged into carrying, except for actual cradling (holding someone in both arms).

I prefer lifted because it makes it less likely that lifting will show up where object are lifted, but that's just me. I'm fine with seeing lifted merged as appropriate.

Circeus said:
I prefer lifted because it makes it less likely that lifting will show up where object are lifted, but that's just me. I'm fine with seeing lifted merged as appropriate.

I'm not convinced that we need to nuke lifted. While it overlaps with carrying and isn't tagged consistently, it might be useful to have some tag for posts where something is clearly being lifted.

I think removing cradling from the equation made that group easier to tag. Might be best to see how those shape up, and come back to this later.

For now, I'll leave lifting/lifted untouched and instead finish cleaning up cradling and stray tags such as held and lift (which is also tagged for elevators).

I've made the following changes:

• Implication: holding_pokéball -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_camera -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_controller -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_gift -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_sign -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_money -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_whip -> holding_object (approved)
• Implication: holding_whip -> whip (approved)

Remove:
holding_underwear I-> holding_object

Add:
holding_underwear I-> holding_clothing
holding_clothing I-> holding_object
holding_clothing I-> clothing

Why? Underwear isn't the only type of clothing that characters can hold.

post #45346 post #885568

There's also a holding_panties tag floating about. What should we do with that, implicate to holding_underwear or alias?

And holding_dildo. Implicate or alias to holding_sex_toy?