Its still frustrating. Especially when its specifically art of your own characters that you've uploaded. He did it to me for an image that was literally only a few pixels larger than mine.

I've considered getting it taken down myself. Thats just poor form.

Especially, if you're going to do something like that Inform the user first.

He often will also go out of his way to do this. That image that he uploaded, one I even had no idea about even as the commissioner OF the image could only have been found by specifically digging through my submissions on here and reverse image searching on all of them.

I'm frustrated by this myself. Quite a fair bit. Especially considering it was right after arguing with me in anot her thread that he decided to specifically do this calls some things into question.

But I digress.

BismuthGalaxy said:
Reviving because he didn't even bother to copy the description between this and this, I had to do it myself.
And he also didn't move the translation to the new version of this.

Also seriously, why do the old post's comments not get moved to the new post? What ever happened to the whole, "Don't delete anything unless absolutely necessary" thing? The old comments are even still in the system, so why is this so difficult?

That description didn't seam all that necessary. there were no notes on post #965781

Also here are the old comments

Not to mention it wasn't even the largest version of said image from the source link.

I've gone and uploaded the largest version.

BismuthGalaxy said:
Oh, my bad. I meant post #956796

I'm pretty sure that speech bubble doesn't say "muffled screaming"

GDelscribe said:
Its still frustrating. Especially when its specifically art of your own characters that you've uploaded. He did it to me for an image that was literally only a few pixels larger than mine.

your upload Size: 700x550 (112.4 KB)
my upload Size: 1280x1006 (380.7 KB)

I'd say that's more than a few pixels.

GDelscribe said:

I've considered getting it taken down myself. Thats just poor form.

Especially, if you're going to do something like that Inform the user first.

It would halt the process of removing inferior post. If i had to inform every single user about their inferior post. it's why we have the better version at source tag. Just check it once in a awhile, if any of your posts are tagged with this.

GDelscribe said:
He often will also go out of his way to do this. That image that he uploaded, one I even had no idea about even as the commissioner OF the image could only have been found by specifically digging through my submissions on here and reverse image searching on all of them.

I'm frustrated by this myself. Quite a fair bit. Especially considering it was right after arguing with me in anot her thread that he decided to specifically do this calls some things into question.

But I digress.

whether you believe me or not. I didn't do it because we had a disagreement. i did it simply because i found a better version. like i have done for years to countless others.

If said post uploaded has that users sona or characters otherwise it should be that you notify them.

Its as simple as that.

Who cares about your "process" speed.

Its due process to warn the user first. Especially in these cases.

GDelscribe said:
If said post uploaded has that users sona or characters otherwise it should be that you notify them.

Its as simple as that.

Who cares about your "process" speed.

Its due process to warn the user first. Especially in these cases.

I care about my "process" speed. I know the politest thing is to tell/ask people. I just don't have the time to write to everybody. if you want to do that go ahead and do it. Also please don't try to tell me how things are done here.

slyroon said:
I care about my "process" speed. I know the politest thing is to tell/ask people. I just don't have the time to write to everybody. if you want to do that go ahead and do it. Also please don't try to tell me how things are done here.

Technically a requirement of uploading here in the first place is asking the artists permission for upload, or asking the character owner if the place it was uploaded was on their gallery first or only.

I'm going to guess you also don't ask for permission first regardless right?

There are upload exclusivity clauses some artists have for this very reason.

Its due process. You need to make time to do it.

GDelscribe said:
Technically a requirement of uploading here in the first place is asking the artists permission for upload, or asking the character owner if the place it was uploaded was on their gallery first or only.

I'm going to guess you also don't ask for permission first regardless right?

There are upload exclusivity clauses some artists have for this very reason.

Its due process. You need to make time to do it.

It's highly preferred that people ask permission from the artist. But it ain't a rule. Also again please stop with the backseat moderating.

slyroon said:
It's highly preferred that people ask permission from the artist. But it ain't a rule. Also again please stop with the backseat moderating.

Theres a big difference between backseat moderating and discussing uploading etiquette but ok.

Regardless in the future. If you have anything of mine to reupload you /should/ notify me first. Because from here on in Im only allowing myself and specific others upload material involving my characters etc so.

A lot of other people are mad about this too if this thread is any indication. Dont be a jerk. Just let people know ok? Saves a lot of headaches and a lot of trouble.

Either way, it's just good form to do so and its not gonna kill you to be nice.

Having to notify each and every person about a deletion is not part of the process. It is up to them to upload the best version they have. If you don't like this, by all means don't post. It's that simple.

It seems any time anyone expresses any distaste for how some things are the immediate response seems to be "if you don't like it leave we don't want you here."

:/

Also in events where the artist posts something ages after you've uploaded the largest available version and the new upload is larger that's not exactly applicabe to the original uploader. Esp if the artist doesn't even notify you.

As long as it works the status quo will always be preferred. That's a truth in every single community this planet has to offer.

Slyroons diligent work is valued by thousands of people who use this page simply because he procures better versions of the images they like. In the grand scheme of things your dislike, and the other people in this thread, are a statistical anomaly.

Also, it's really not "we don't want you here" but more "you decide if you want to be here". When in Rome do as the Romans do, and all that.

Edit: Maybe you should also talk to the artist why he was holding out on you in the first place, it seems strange that he wouldn't give you the best version, so perhaps he has an even better one you don't even know about?

NotMeNotYou said:
As long as it works the status quo will always be preferred. That's a truth in every single community this planet has to offer.

Slyroons diligent work is valued by thousands of people who use this page simply because he procures better versions of the images they like. In the grand scheme of things your dislike, and the other people in this thread, are a statistical anomaly.

Also, it's really not "we don't want you here" but more "you decide if you want to be here". When in Rome do as the Romans do, and all that.

Edit: Maybe you should also talk to the artist why he was holding out on you in the first place, it seems strange that he wouldn't give you the best version, so perhaps he has an even better one you don't even know about?

+1
Also, subscribing to an artist's Patreon may be the best way to procure the highest quality picture available, given you have permission to upload it.

NotMeNotYou said:
As long as it works the status quo will always be preferred. That's a truth in every single community this planet has to offer.

Slyroons diligent work is valued by thousands of people who use this page simply because he procures better versions of the images they like. In the grand scheme of things your dislike, and the other people in this thread, are a statistical anomaly.

Also, it's really not "we don't want you here" but more "you decide if you want to be here". When in Rome do as the Romans do, and all that.

Edit: Maybe you should also talk to the artist why he was holding out on you in the first place, it seems strange that he wouldn't give you the best version, so perhaps he has an even better one you don't even know about?

I actually just sent an email to her asking about it. I'm kinda peeved actually.

I don't know why I wasn't given the original to begin with. I'm a bit hurt.

Personally when there's something wrong with a system you should bring it up, it helps make the system as good as possible.
Challenging the status quo is a necessary element of progress and betterment. When something is an issue. Its best to bring it up. We wouldnt have a dedicated section for discussion otherwise.

I've been literally told "if you don't like it stop posting" three times by three different people and one of those times I'd now by an admin.

That sure feels like a "leave we don't want you here" to me.

Nikolaithefur said:
+1
Also, subscribing to an artist's Patreon may be the best way to procure the highest quality picture available, given you have permission to upload it.

Most definitely.
Its a bit of a wierd area tho. Isn't patreon stuff dnp?

Most definitely.
Its a bit of a wierd area tho. Isn't patreon stuff dnp?

Well, if they included it in a publicly-accessible place, where one could access it free-of-charge, I wouldn't think so, but I'd have to consult with NotMeNotYou on that one.

Nikolaithefur said:
Well, if they included it in a publicly-accessible place, where one could access it free-of-charge, I wouldn't think so, but I'd have to consult with NotMeNotYou on that one.

True. There have been a few uploads here thay were taken down recently because they were the full version of a post that was posted elsewhere.

This is another case of after that 2 year wait those uploaders are gonna get Shafted and their uploads deleted in favour of someone else speed uploading the new one.

The 700x550 post was restored and the 1280 post was deleted for being an accidental upscale.

Further, don't upload Patreon-only content unless you are both the commissioner of the work and you have permission to do so from the artist, otherwise it's considered pay content if you have to get it by pledging any amount of money. Pay content is DNP for two years from original post date.

Ratte said:
The 700x550 post was restored and the 1280 post was deleted for being an accidental upscale.

Further, don't upload Patreon-only content unless you are both the commissioner of the work and you have permission to do so from the artist, otherwise it's considered pay content if you have to get it by pledging any amount of money. Pay content is DNP for two years from original post date.

Thanks Ratte.

Out of curiosity does that mean that all "deleted" posts are really just blackholed and still on the server?

Wouldn't it be more efficient to have an upload new version/edit post feature?

GDelscribe said:
Thanks Ratte.

Out of curiosity does that mean that all "deleted" posts are really just blackholed and still on the server?

Wouldn't it be more efficient to have an upload new version/edit post feature?

That is a feature I (and I'm sure many others) would like. Deleted posts are still on the server, just out of view. Consider how we delete things like paid content until it is at least two years old. After that, we simply undelete it. Both editing and restoring both have their pros and cons.

Ratte said:
That is a feature I (and I'm sure many others) would like. Deleted posts are still on the server, just out of view. Consider how we delete things like paid content until it is at least two years old. After that, we simply undelete it. Both editing and restoring both have their pros and cons.

Duly noted. I made a forum for it.

Why is this seriously even an issue worth worrying about?

Why is it important to "be the one who uploaded it"? Uploading an image here does not give you ownership, status, or special powers over that image on the site. Even if the person who flags the old post as a duplicate of the superior version forgets to copy over some tags, description, etc... literally any other user at all can just go copy the missing stuff from the old post and edit the new upload to include it.

This is an archive site who's purpose is to store and catalog decent furry art. That's it. It's not for making people popular or awesome or adored for "finding" good art.

someone earlier in the thread said:
The situation is a lot of people take pride in what they find and upload. It gives us ownership in the community. [...]Now Slyroon gets all the credit for what I originally discovered and posted for the e621 community.

This right here shouldn't be a concern, it just seems pointlessly selfish: there is no meaningful "discovery credit" here -_-

If a better version of an image has been made publicly available, THAT is the one that should be uploaded and stored in the archive here and nobody should be getting their panties in a twist over who got imagined "credit" or community admiration or whatever for being the person to upload it.

If you see that someone found and uploaded a better version of an image you uploaded, you should just be happy that "Oh hey, now there's a superior version of the image posted and the site is better for it". Not to mention that now you personally get to enjoy a better version that you weren't even aware of, of something that you already liked enough to upload in the first place.

What in the world is the downside of any of this? Having your post superseded by a post with a better version has no meaningful effect on you.

The only minor point I can agree with is that I really do think the comments should probably transfer from the original on a duplicate flag.... but that's hardly reason enough to make uploading superior versions into a more complicated process, and the old comments can still be read by doing a comment search on the old post id.

GDelscribe said:

Personally when there's something wrong with a system you should bring it up, it helps make the system as good as possible.
Challenging the status quo is a necessary element of progress and betterment. When something is an issue. Its best to bring it up. We wouldnt have a dedicated section for discussion otherwise.

I've been literally told "if you don't like it stop posting" three times by three different people and one of those times I'd now by an admin.

Improvement/benefit for whom?
Does it benefit Slyroon to increase his workload to appease random users? Does it benefit the regular user that the process of improving image quality has more complicated steps heaped on it?

slyroon said:
That description didn't seam all that necessary. there were no notes on post #965781

Also here are the old comments

What do you mean, the description from the source is not important? That's just mean, to remove the description and translation, man. You can at least copy those over.

BismuthGalaxy said:
That has the effect of making people like slyroon look like "leeches" of the system, because they "thrive" by damaging other people's upload limits. In that sense, uploading better images becomes subject to the "tax collector" effect: a necessary, thankless job.

That sounds accurate, and recently I had to deal with this crap due to Slyroon pulling this same nonsense on one of my commissioned pics. I'm not letting this slide until I get my uploaded credit back.

Sonikken said:
That sounds accurate, and recently I had to deal with this crap due to Slyroon pulling this same nonsense on one of my commissioned pics. I'm not letting this slide until I get my uploaded credit back.

If you posted the full version of the picture the first time you wouldn't have this problem.

Hint: If you're uploading something from Inkbunny and either dimension is 920px (so 920*X or X*920) it's almost always a preview version, not the full version. And look at what I see here.

It's up to you to upload the best possible version. Change the viewing mode or use the download link.

I actually have to give huge respect to Slyroon. They are doing the job that is one of the most crucial things on booru like this, but are getting way too much shit in their neck in the process.

Not many do understand difference between 1280px and 12800px or JPG and PNG when their screen shows them similarly. Not many know that sites host preview images and semi-hide original ones. I have actually tried to talk to users who have uploaded worse versions of stuff, commenting with direct links and instructions, even dmailing, but 99% of the time, original uploader doesn't give a fuck or doesn't respond.

Just remember that who uploaded stuff, doesn't actually mean a goddamn thing outside of that admins can get you down if you are uploading stuff againts rules. And if someone pulls superior versions on you, learn why that is and do better next time, not only helps you but everyone else as well.

Sonikken said:
That sounds accurate, and recently I had to deal with this crap due to Slyroon pulling this same nonsense on one of my commissioned pics. I'm not letting this slide until I get my uploaded credit back.

Actually kinda love the "if I can't have it, nobody can" approach here. Because if largest resolution file is removed, nobody can upload it again because MD5 matches.

If you would've uploaded best version, not even admins could've replaced the file in the first place. And janitors are no more powerful from regular users from replacing posts.

I'd have Slyroon and Lance's babies not gonna lie

Sonikken said:
That sounds accurate, and recently I had to deal with this crap due to Slyroon pulling this same nonsense on one of my commissioned pics. I'm not letting this slide until I get my uploaded credit back.

they'd have to destroy the version slyroon uploaded
so you could then upload it again

Burgerpants said:
It's not cool, my post was originally uploaded 22 days ago, then it was flagged by slyroon for duplicate, i checked the post from slyroon and turns out it was uploaded 6 hours ago today and turns out slyroon was falsely flagging me, what is going on exactly, is he trolling or messing around.

My post that was uploaded 22 days ago and flagged by slyroon. post #754093

Slyroon post that was uploaded today and it's the same thing as mine, also i flagged him for duplicating my post. post #768776

Another post i uploaded yesterday, flagged by slyroon. post #768101

Slyroon post that is same as mine, i flagged him again for duplicate. post #768769

He stolen my artwork as well me and artist wants Slyroon to remove this art post pronto https://e621.net/post/show/909698/anthro-bed-blue_eyes-blush-cat-crystaltail-cum-cum HE digitalised made it bigger and me or the artist crystal tail never gave him permission to upload this. I've went emailed notmenotyou and gave more involved point of whats going on but now artist says he has no permission both me and him (crystaltail) can go to DMCA and force it down if need be. He saw my description he knew I was commissioner he did not credit his upload for this post I will take to laywer if i must but this is super wrong and warned multi media of this art thief.

Toor_Jewelpet said:
He stolen my artwork as well me and artist wants Slyroon to remove this art post pronto https://e621.net/post/show/909698/anthro-bed-blue_eyes-blush-cat-crystaltail-cum-cum HE digitalised made it bigger and me or the artist crystal tail never gave him permission to upload this. I've went emailed notmenotyou and gave more involved point of whats going on but now artist says he has no permission both me and him (crystaltail) can go to DMCA and force it down if need be. He saw my description he knew I was commissioner he did not credit his upload for this post I will take to laywer if i must but this is super wrong and warned multi media of this art thief.

This is also an old month-old post.

Toor_Jewelpet said:
He stolen my artwork as well me and artist wants Slyroon to remove this art post pronto https://e621.net/post/show/909698/anthro-bed-blue_eyes-blush-cat-crystaltail-cum-cum HE digitalised made it bigger and me or the artist crystal tail never gave him permission to upload this. I've went emailed notmenotyou and gave more involved point of whats going on but now artist says he has no permission both me and him (crystaltail) can go to DMCA and force it down if need be. He saw my description he knew I was commissioner he did not credit his upload for this post I will take to laywer if i must but this is super wrong and warned multi media of this art thief.

Getting a lawyer because someone uploaded higher resolution porn, I think that's funny I'm kind of at a loss for words about this really.

Toor_Jewelpet said:
He stolen my artwork as well me and artist wants Slyroon to remove this art post pronto https://e621.net/post/show/909698/anthro-bed-blue_eyes-blush-cat-crystaltail-cum-cum HE digitalised made it bigger and me or the artist crystal tail never gave him permission to upload this. I've went emailed notmenotyou and gave more involved point of whats going on but now artist says he has no permission both me and him (crystaltail) can go to DMCA and force it down if need be. He saw my description he knew I was commissioner he did not credit his upload for this post I will take to laywer if i must but this is super wrong and warned multi media of this art thief.

?? just file a takedown request (link can be found under the contact link from top of this page) and take a chill pill maybe?

Doomguy666 said:
Getting a lawyer because someone uploaded higher resolution porn, I think that's funny I'm kind of at a loss for words about this really.

Usually people just threaten to tell "the authorities".

Also, it's great that Slyroon is uploading lots of bvatses.
People need to learn that uploading preview images, or images from sites with strict size limits, is bad.

Toor_Jewelpet said:
He stolen my artwork as well me and artist wants Slyroon to remove this art post pronto https://e621.net/post/show/909698/anthro-bed-blue_eyes-blush-cat-crystaltail-cum-cum HE digitalised made it bigger and me or the artist crystal tail never gave him permission to upload this. I've went emailed notmenotyou and gave more involved point of whats going on but now artist says he has no permission both me and him (crystaltail) can go to DMCA and force it down if need be. He saw my description he knew I was commissioner he did not credit his upload for this post I will take to laywer if i must but this is super wrong and warned multi media of this art thief.

1. Absolutely nothing was stolen
2. Why they want it to be removed now when the image has been already here for year
3. He did not "digitalise" anything, they simply took original image from inkbunny, instead of preview.
4. If they never gave permission to upload it, why was that image here for year?
5. You can DMCA, but we do have working takedown system which is more adviceable to use. DMCA is usually the last step. Also keep in mind that this will result "if I can't, nobody will" as deleted image can't be uploaded again.
6. Description, tags and sources are free to be edited by anyone, so you can insert those information there yourself. Slyroon does upload larger images in bulks, meaning they can't focus on most details or it would take insanely much more time to get trough all the work.

So like I already commented and dmailed, please try to understand how the site works (this is public booru, not private gallery) and what has happened before you start accusations to someone doing work that needs to be done.

You guys are clearly intentionally misreading what Toor said.

The artist AND character owner have NOT given permission for others to upload the artwork. Only the artist and character owner have permission to do so. And last I checked wasn't getting permission part of the rules on E6?

Yeah its nice that there is a "theoretically better" version. (Slyroon often uploads versions that are digitally enlarged as he did with one of mine earlier) without checking if its the original res or machine enlarged image.

It doesnt matter if this is a public aggregate. We try to keep artists, AND character owners happy so that tons of art doesn't get taken down constantly. So no.

Stop defending this guy just because???

GDelscribe said:
You guys are clearly intentionally misreading what Toor said.

The artist AND character owner have NOT given permission for others to upload the artwork. Only the artist and character owner have permission to do so. And last I checked wasn't getting permission part of the rules on E6?

Yeah its nice that there is a "theoretically better" version. (Slyroon often uploads versions that are digitally enlarged as he did with one of mine earlier) without checking if its the original res or machine enlarged image.

It doesnt matter if this is a public aggregate. We try to keep artists, AND character owners happy so that tons of art doesn't get taken down constantly. So no.

Stop defending this guy just because???

The artist themselves has every right to request a takedown through the proper channels. Some random whiny 'fan' threatening legal action smacks too much of personal interest to take seriously.

GDelscribe said:
You guys are clearly intentionally misreading what Toor said.

The artist AND character owner have NOT given permission for others to upload the artwork. Only the artist and character owner have permission to do so. And last I checked wasn't getting permission part of the rules on E6?

Yeah its nice that there is a "theoretically better" version. (Slyroon often uploads versions that are digitally enlarged as he did with one of mine earlier) without checking if its the original res or machine enlarged image.

It doesnt matter if this is a public aggregate. We try to keep artists, AND character owners happy so that tons of art doesn't get taken down constantly. So no.

Stop defending this guy just because???

If that is the case, they are free to use the takedown system, instead of calling users doing great job thiefs. They still have all the rights to their work and if they do not want it here because someone else happened to be the uploader, then they do not.

Pretty sure slyroon is going trough better_version_at_source tag, meaning if someone links into artificial upscale, it is possibility they accidently upload that. However these are rare and in these cases always contact either slyroon or staff to double check the situation and fix it. For majority of cases, including this one, it's usually preview images replaced with original ones. I can double confirm that they indeed replaced inkbunnys preview image with the original version.

Of course it's much nicer if everyone is happy with situation and I can get your point, however just because commissioner can't figure out how site operates, doesn't mean they can go calling out user doing required job a thief. If we started handling every single scenario like this specially and individually, we couldn't keep track, so it's users who need to follow how site works and not other way around.

Once again, slyroon is doing job that can be said to be essential and for some reason is getting shit on their neck, which is not right.

FoxFourOhFour said:
The artist themselves has every right to request a takedown through the proper channels. Some random whiny 'fan' threatening legal action smacks too much of personal interest to take seriously.

As I said before, you don't seem to be noticing the part where they literally said it was their character and they have every right to be "whiny".

Seriously.

How about you show some examples of Slyroon uploading upscaled pictures so we can actually take that claim as being true and not said because of blind rage or something.

I remember that Slyroon would go to obscure ways to get "higher" quality pictures from InkBunny by changing the URL text to full somewhere. After some really intense investigations, we figured out that "full" pictures from Inkbunny are no better quality, they just happen to be PNGed differently and usually have a higher size file.

That incident was indeed pretty dumb once you realized that he basically flagged the actual pictures for 100% same quality but differently generated pictures, but I don't remember him to be upscaling anything.

FoxFourOhFour said:
This is also an old month-old post.

I've seen this happen on many different forums, where people don't want you to bring alive necro posts, but then when you actually post a new thread, you get shouted at about how there's already an existing thread and you should post there instead. Basically : Dam if you do, dam if you don't situation

GDelscribe said:
And last I checked wasn't getting permission part of the rules on E6?

No.

GDelscribe said:
Yeah its nice that there is a "theoretically better" version. (Slyroon often uploads versions that are digitally enlarged as he did with one of mine earlier) without checking if its the original res or machine enlarged image.

We're an archive. That is the point of an archive-- to preserve the best-quality image, size included. You already know the circumstances behind that mishap so I don't know why you're bothering to bring it up.

GDelscribe said:
It doesnt matter if this is a public aggregate. We try to keep artists, AND character owners happy so that tons of art doesn't get taken down constantly. So no.

They can learn to upload things that aren't previews like everyone else.

GDelscribe said:
Stop defending this guy just because???

We're defending him because he's useful to the site: finding and replacing lower-quality images with higher-quality images. This is, again, the point of an archive. Why this is some kind of surprise is lost on me.

post #917811
post #762566

When using tumblr or soup.io the service will upscale the art or downscale the art to meet certain dimensions allowing you to change the dimensions as well just by changing the url.

917811 was uploaded by slyroon when this happened, assuming it was the larger size, this is also a bvas that HE added himself on june 10th, 2016 and then later uploaded the alternate version that was the wrong version on june 13 without contacting me, or the artist, or anyone else involved.

Thats 3 days to shoot a single message to a character owner who personally uploaded something a message.

I could act like mistakes don't happen. But i'm not insane, mistakes do happen all the time and nobody is infallible. Im practically a walking ball of mistake; but I'm not gonna sit back and ignore something that has a relatively easy solution. Who cares if your "workflow" is disrupted slightly when you can save trouble later down the line?

Mistakes like these (and the anger related) could EASILY be averted by simply tossing character owners a message when they upload something of their oc.

Especially when theres a THREE DAY period in between. There's only three explanations for that. None of them are good.

Ignorance (They didn't know you were the character owner. But in some cases as seen clearly with info in the descriptions in some of these that's not always the case)

They forgot (Which is ok, I mean after all you have to do other things with your life. But then again they do have to check the op every time they flag something)

Or they just outright didn't or don't care. Which often seems to be the case.
By all means if the art is just some random post thats been here for ages then go ahead but seriously even the slightest common courtesy would be nice some times.

Maybe its just me.

GDelscribe said:
wall of text

Ratte said:
You already know the circumstances behind that mishap so I don't know why you're bothering to bring it up.

Those explanations sound confusing, one because the deleted image has a Tumblr height capped to be the maximum allowed on Tumblr and you cannot change the size on Tumblr by changing the URL : If a picture is natively 500px and you try to change the URL to 1280, you will get an error (gif) or the the file size will not change at all.

The fact that the picture is now deleted and the source link requires a login just to check, I can't see for myself and compare the two. For now what you said just doesn't match up because you seem to say that he used soup.io to upscale the picture by changing the URL, but the deleted apparently upscaled picture has a height of 1280, which is the maximum dimension for pictures being uploaded on Tumblr, and doesn't seem to be related to soup.io or upscaling at all

Neitsuke said:
Those explanations sound confusing, one because the deleted image has a Tumblr height capped to be the maximum allowed on Tumblr and you cannot change the size on Tumblr by changing the URL : If a picture is natively 500px and you try to change the URL to 1280, you will get an error (gif) or the the file size will not change at all.

The fact that the picture is now deleted and the source link requires a login just to check, I can't see for myself and compare the two. For now what you said just doesn't match up because you seem to say that he used soup.io to upscale the picture by changing the URL, but the deleted apparently upscaled picture has a height of 1280, which is the maximum dimension for pictures being uploaded on Tumblr, and doesn't seem to be related to soup.io or upscaling at all

The image was sourced to soup.io and slyroon thought this operated similar to Tumblr. Because of this, slyroon removed the original "resolution" in the URL to force it to resize up to 1280, then took the product of that change. He was not aware that this other site would simply resize to whatever dimensions were provided unlike Tumblr's cheap size circumvention by changing the output size to 1280. This was not something anyone on staff really knew about until we looked into it.

In other words, shit happens.

Ratte said:
We're an archive. That is the point of an archive-- to preserve the best-quality image, size included.

Sorry to intervene, but this is just wrong.

The point of an archive is to preserve the original image.
Not the largest upscale pulled from who knows where.

Upscaled images are not "better" in any sense including quality. Upscaling almost invariably degrades quality. Larger files are not necessary better, lossy recompression may sometimes increase file size. These are valid concerns which should be addressed, not denied.

hslugs said:
Sorry to intervene, but this is just wrong.

The point of an archive is to preserve the original image.
Not the largest upscale pulled from who knows where.

Upscaled images are not "better" in any sense including quality. Upscaling almost invariably degrades quality. Larger files are not necessary better, lossy recompression may sometimes increase file size. These are valid concerns which should be addressed, not denied.

Upscaled images also lose their quality. Waifu2x might be a good tool, but it will still degrade quality compared to the original. My point still stands.

e621 doesn't support upscaling at all and they never said those are the best quality, pretty sure there's even a rule about that somewhere written on howto.

Now for Soup.io, this really sounds kind of weird, as if the website actually zooms on the picture as you can on Windows Image Preview thing when you open a picture, then when you save the zoomed picture as, the picture you get is an actual zoomed in/out picture of the original. If this actually the case, then that is pretty dumb. dropbox has a zoom function for pictures but when you right click to save the picture, you actually get the actual size and quality.

If this is the case, I have no clue how he didn't notice the artificial upscaling of the picture then. Being resized close to 2X, you should notice that the picture looks horribly blurry

Ratte said:
The image was sourced to soup.io and slyroon thought this operated similar to Tumblr. Because of this, slyroon removed the original "resolution" in the URL to force it to resize up to 1280, then took the product of that change. He was not aware that this other site would simply resize to whatever dimensions were provided unlike Tumblr's cheap size circumvention by changing the output size to 1280. This was not something anyone on staff really knew about until we looked into it.

In other words, shit happens.

And this is the first time I have heard any site doing something this stupid. Also this is the first and only scenario where I have heard slyroon uploading upscale and if this is the case, it falls greatly under human error.

Ratte said:
Upscaled images also lose their quality.

Huh yeah that was the point. E6 will gladly approve upscale and delete the original as inferior-duplicate, as long as the upscaled image is "larger" numerically. No-one seems to question this. That's the problem.

Have you ever approved a "larger" Twitter-sourced image over something from dA or FA? You know, sites actually made for hosting original images. Did you at least look at the source urls? Are you sure Twitter does not resize or re-compress images?

hslugs said:
Huh yeah that was the point. E6 will gladly approve upscale and delete the original as inferior-duplicate, as long as the upscaled image is "larger" numerically. No-one seems to question this. That's the problem.

No we don't. It's happened by accident, but when those posts are found to be upscales they get deleted.

hslugs said:
Have you ever approved a "larger" Twitter-sourced image over something from dA or FA? You know, sites actually made for hosting original images. Did you at least look at the source urls? Are you sure Twitter does not resize or re-compress images?

I don't deal with approvals. Generally speaking Twitter posts are really only accepted if no other source is available, because Twitter does terrible things to basically every kind of media posted.

hslugs said:
Huh yeah that was the point. E6 will gladly approve upscale and delete the original as inferior-duplicate, as long as the upscaled image is "larger" numerically. No-one seems to question this. That's the problem.

Absolutely not!
If you see this happening, report it immidiately!

I haven't been janitor for long, but I have already deleted handful of upscales which were trying to get trough as better versions.

Also keep in mind that there are reasons for someone to have larger image than is available elsewhere, this includes artists and commissioners posting works directly here and leaving FA to downscale the content.

Ratte said:
I don't deal with approvals. Generally speaking Twitter posts are really only accepted if no other source is available, because Twitter does terrible things to basically every kind of media posted.

Another scenario is when artist relyis on websites to scale their content, in these cases if they post only on FA and Twitter, then FA is 1280px large jpg and twitter is like 10 000px large jpg. Guess which one is better, even if later one is slightly more compressed?

But as you don't deal with approvals, this is not vital information to you, but just says that every time there is a post, quality difference should be determined manually individually.

hslugs said:
Huh yeah that was the point. E6 will gladly approve upscale and delete the original as inferior-duplicate, as long as the upscaled image is "larger" numerically. No-one seems to question this. That's the problem.

Have you ever approved a "larger" Twitter-sourced image over something from dA or FA? You know, sites actually made for hosting original images. Did you at least look at the source urls? Are you sure Twitter does not resize or re-compress images?

We check quality on all uploads, artificially upscaled images are almost never approved over the actual originals. Yes, sometimes mistakes happen but we're talking about 1 in a thousand images at most.

Ratte said:
Generally speaking Twitter posts are really only accepted if no other source is available

Well sorry to inform you but this is not what actually happens.

post #1142331 post #1142323 post #1139606 post #1139601

Sure I went on and fixed sources because I recognized artist's name, but these were all posted from Twitter. Tumblr link was right there on the Twitter page. Karbik's works were already on E6, one click away, linked to his FA gallery. This is not the case of no other source. This is the case of no one cares.

On a related note, I find postings of scraps & sketches not in FA/dA galleries questionable at best but that's another issue.

hslugs said:
E6 will gladly approve upscale and delete the original as inferior-duplicate, as long as the upscaled image is "larger" numerically.

If you see this happening please send a message to an admin. The policy is that we prefer original images to upscaled ones for precisely the reason you made, upscaled images are actually lower quality. It's tricky to catch this so you're helping a lot by pointing it out!

You can get higher resolution pictures from Twitter by adding :orig at the end of the URL. I thought it didn't have a size limit, but from looking at those examples and my own upload post #715093 the limit seems to be 1600. This is still better than having taken those picture from Tumblr because the limit is 1280, and same for FA because he doesn't resubmit his pictures so the size limit can be ignored (Blame FA for being so freaking stupid for that limit and workaround)

Not sure what's your deal on this "He didn't source the other URLs because no one cares". He sourced the Twitter because the picture has been obtained from there. If someone is interested by the artist, he can just click the Twitter source and see the Tumblr link in the process. Lazy for not sourcing the other potential 9000 galleries he has ? Maybe, but not caring about the artist, absolutely not

hslugs said:
Well sorry to inform you but this is not what actually happens.

post #1142331 post #1142323 post #1139606 post #1139601

Sure I went on and fixed sources because I recognized artist's name, but these were all posted from Twitter. Tumblr link was right there on the Twitter page. Karbik's works were already on E6, one click away, linked to his FA gallery. This is not the case of no other source. This is the case of no one cares.

On a related note, I find postings of scraps & sketches not in FA/dA galleries questionable at best but that's another issue.

None of those are upscaled, they used :orig, which is a suffix for the end of Twitter image post urls you can use to get the original file. Unfortunately not something people use very often, but it's a thing that exists. Don't alert us of a problem that isn't occurring.

hslugs said:
Well sorry to inform you but this is not what actually happens.

post #1142331 post #1142323 post #1139606 post #1139601

Sure I went on and fixed sources because I recognized artist's name, but these were all posted from Twitter. Tumblr link was right there on the Twitter page. Karbik's works were already on E6, one click away, linked to his FA gallery. This is not the case of no other source. This is the case of no one cares.

On a related note, I find postings of scraps & sketches not in FA/dA galleries questionable at best but that's another issue.

First one, same compression but twitter is larger, this is OK.
Second, earlier image was FA thumbnail, which is why slyroon uploaded twitter image, meaning best image was never on here. If you have time please upload FA original and flag as inferior.
Third, this is only image, same as source FA, not by slyroon. Actually resolution was higher, but was simply from artists deviantart and source forgotten, added. See? Mistakes happen, especially when doing something else at the same time, but they are fixed in minutes.
Fourth is from artists Deviantart, adding to sources.

So, where's the problems?

Neitsuke said:
You can get higher resolution pictures from Twitter by adding :orig at the end of the URL. I thought it didn't have a size limit, but from looking at those examples and my own upload post #715093 the limit seems to be 1600. This is still better than having taken those picture from Tumblr because the limit is 1280, and same for FA because he doesn't resubmit his pictures so the size limit can be ignored (Blame FA for being so freaking stupid for that limit and workaround)

There is no resolution limit:
post #906304
Furaffinity source: 850x1100, JPG
Twitter source: 2550x3300, JPG

However twitter usually compresses stuff to jpg anyway, so if the resolution change is small and tumblr gives png, usually the tumblr is preferred. This is why everything is handled case-by-case, not "only tumblr is the best".