Aliasing milf → mature_female
Link to alias

Reason:

milf is too subjective but signs of a matured female are evident.

The_Diggler said:
Aliasing milf → mature_female
Link to alias

Reason:

milf is too subjective but signs of a matured female are evident.

+1. Love the av, btw.

Why?

Knotty_Curls said:
Why?

https://e621.net/forum/show/166525

Knotty_Curls said:
Why?

https://e621.net/forum/show/168439

Lance_Armstrong said:
https://e621.net/forum/show/168439

+1

ShylokVakarian said:
+1. Love the av, btw.

thanks, it suites me :)

Lance_Armstrong said:
https://e621.net/forum/show/168439

+1

The same treatment also could be applied to the dilf tag, creating a 'mature_male' tag.

Knotty_Curls said:
+1

Sharp_Coyote said:
+1

The same treatment also could be applied to the dilf tag, creating a 'mature_male' tag.

Wait, you +1 him, but not me? I linked the entire thread. :/

ShylokVakarian said:
Wait, you +1 him, but not me? I linked the entire thread. :/

Well, Lance was out in front of this a good day beforehand, and with a more comprehensive plan ...

see forum #168439

Lance_Armstrong said:
I have a solution:

deimplicate milf -> mother
alias milf -> mature_female (not just mature)
implicate mature_female -> female

Anybody who searches milf gets the posts they want. It's not like they want to see a kid in the background when they search milf. They want older females. mature_female is closer to being objective (like young). mature_female instead of mature keeps milf search continuity.

Precedent: muscular_female

Sharp_Coyote said:
Well, Lance was out in front of this a good day beforehand, and with a more comprehensive plan ...

see forum #168439

I just want some recognition for linking the thread first. I get, like, no recognition anywhere else. :/

ALIAS DENIED UGGHHH

TheHuskyK9 said:
ALIAS DENIED UGGHHH

Nah, Para takes care of the aliases and implications

Cute. :P

feature request: scores on forum posts

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for the GILF category I think elderly_* will work, but there are very few elderly/senior citizen posts anyway. MILF is the top issue

ShylokVakarian said:
Cute. :P

I ain't Cute, I'm Husky :V

Lance_Armstrong said:
https://e621.net/forum/show/168439[/quote]

+1.

I've already deleted the milf -> mother implication since the tags convey completely different things here.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I ain't Cute, I'm Husky :V

Then hot. :P

How is milf any more subjective than mature_female ? I mean where do we draw the line at maturity within an image? I agree the milf tag should be more specifically reserved, for instance on characters who have an established parenthood.

Parenthood is hard to tag by twys, and 'I'd like to fuck that' is extremely subjective. Therefore, plus one.

Pasiphaë said:
How is milf any more subjective than mature_female ? I mean where do we draw the line at maturity within an image? I agree the milf tag should be more specifically reserved, for instance on characters who have an established parenthood.

1. "milf" is "mother I'd like to fuck", an entirely subjective wording.
2. "milf" is tagged on characters that aren't obviously mothers, and those images got tagged with "mother" (this problem is now solved).
3. "young" and "loli" (young+female) are subjective but we still use them. It's like the difference between "small_breasts" and "huge_breasts". You are tagging what you see, but you don't take out a ruler and measure the breasts and compare to the height of the character.
4. "mature_female" is broader than "milf" but by aliasing "milf" to "mature_female" it makes search and tagging easier for people who expect to type and find "milf".

We could stop at removing the milf → mother implication but aliasing milf will remove any doubt over the character being a mother. In search you can do "mother+milf".

purple.beastie said:
I proposed this in another thread but might as well mention it here too. Anyone in favor of aliasing loli and shota to young_* to match up with the proposed mature_* and elderly_* tags?

Against. Chancing those to young_* would make it impossible to accurately blacklist sexualized underage characters. Which was the main reason those tags were created in the first place.

purple.beastie said:
Couldn't they just blacklist young_female -rating:s and young_male -rating:s or am I missing something?

That'd filter out all non-safe posts with young characters in them, regardless of the actual content. Not just sexualized ones. For example:
post #701520 post #337797

Genjar said:
That'd filter out all non-safe posts with young characters in them, regardless of the actual content. Not just sexualized ones. For example:
post #701520 post #337797

I'm in favor of the new system with young_* mature_* and elderly_*. Removing the shota/loli tags would be a mistake, so implying shota/loli -> young_* (respective) would be a good move. Expanding this idea may help fix the problem with age-related tags, to end the debate on cub versus toddler. With a little bit of thought, we can safely move Nf5++.

purple.beastie said:
Wouldn't it be better to have an underage tag which encompasses intersex characters as well?

Perhaps. It'd be easier to decide if we had blacklist stats for those. I wonder how many users blacklist just one or the other, instead of both tags. If most blacklist both, combining loli and shota into a single 'underage' tag might work.

And yeah, it'd also cover intersex. Though those are extremely rare: cuntboy and dickgirl tags don't mesh well with the underage tags. Young characters aren't expected to have breasts, so for example cuntboy and female are virtually indistinguishable.

Genjar said:
That'd filter out all non-safe posts with young characters in them, regardless of the actual content. Not just sexualized ones. For example:
post #701520 post #337797

Yes, but anything even remotely sexualized is generally not rated as safe, therefore blacklisting young_* -rating:s would work well.

purple.beastie said:
Genjar is saying some people want to be able to blacklist images of young characters that are sexualized without blocking -rating:s images where the young character is not the cause of the rating.

To do that would be to either create incredibly long and complex tags or to overhaul the entire tagging system to include "elements", tag groups in which the tags apply to a specific area of the picture. To put it simply, an element would be like a note/translation, but with tags instead.

purple.beastie said:
Well, yes if we were going to make the whole system consistent. Similar overhaul ideas have been suggested before, but even though it's currently unfeasible to do either of those things that doesn't mean we can't make exceptions for particularly important cases.

I'll let parasprite decide if that's important enough of a case.

ShylokVakarian said:
To do that would be to either create incredibly long and complex tags or to overhaul the entire tagging system to include "elements", tag groups in which the tags apply to a specific area of the picture. To put it simply, an element would be like a note/translation, but with tags instead.

Or, and this might be crazy, we could keep loli and shota and continue to use them only for cases where the young character is sexualized. Just throwing that out there.

Snowy said:
Or, and this might be crazy, we could keep loli and shota and continue to use them only for cases where the young character is sexualized. Just throwing that out there.

Yeah, that was the third option I forgot to mention.

I've made the following changes:

• Implication: milf -> mother (deleted already)
• Alias: milf -> mature_female (approved)
• Alias: dilf -> mature_male (approved)
• Implication: mature_female -> female (pending)
• Implication: mature_male -> male (pending)
• Implication: mature_intersex -> intersex (approved)
• loli/shota/cub/etc. will be handled in forum #168268.

I'm holding off on the mature_<gender> -> <gender> implications for the moment, but I've made placeholders. The following still needs to be done before an implication is made:

• Clean up mature_female posts that are intersex (mature_male posts are probably all male already, but you never know).
• Remove mother and parent tags from mature_female posts (dilf never had an implication, so it's probably relatively clean already)

Also, if anyone is interested in a small tagging project, mature_intersex is currently empty and could use some posts to populate it. :)

parasprite said:

• Alias: milf -> mature_female (approved)

This should be redacted. Female-intersex characters can be mothers as well, so someone making the natural decision to attempt to tag a picture with an intersexed mother character as 'milf' has to go back and change tags after the fact. This should not be a necessary step. milf should be a tag that refers to all motherly/mature feminine characters alike, with mature_female and mature_intersex/mature_dickgirl/mature_herm splitting the hair and implicating back to milf. Also, all mature_* tags should be aliased to mature.

Azula_Arktandr said:
This should be redacted. Female-intersex characters can be mothers as well, so someone making the natural decision to attempt to tag a picture with an intersexed mother character as 'milf' has to go back and change tags after the fact. This should not be a necessary step. milf should be a tag that refers to all motherly/mature feminine characters alike, with mature_female and mature_intersex/mature_dickgirl/mature_herm splitting the hair and implicating back to milf. Also, all mature_* tags should be aliased to mature.

Or just stop using the milf tag. It's aliased away.

Furrin_Gok said:
Or just stop using the milf tag. It's aliased away.

+1 to this idea.