Aliasing ferratoodorple → hybrid
Link to alias

Reason:

This tag is always accompanied by the hybrid tag, which suggests it's a hybrid of... Something. People need to tag what those somethings are and stop using a made up terms for them, or nobody will actually find them without knowing about them beforehand.

EDIT: The tag alias ferratoodorple -> hybrid (forum #238578) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

Furrin_Gok said:
Aliasing ferratoodorple → hybrid
Link to alias

Reason:

This tag is always accompanied by the hybrid tag, which suggests it's a hybrid of... Something. People need to tag what those somethings are and stop using a made up terms for them, or nobody will actually find them without knowing about them beforehand.

While I do agree in this case, what about the more well known hybrids? Like the grolar bear, zebroids (zonkey, zorse, etc)....

Should they also be aliased to hybrid? Or, since these are more well known, should they just imply hybrid along with their parents' species? (ex: zonkey implies hybrid, zebra, and donkey)

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
While I do agree in this case, what about the more well known hybrids? Like the grolar bear, zebroids (zonkey, zorse, etc)....

Should they also be aliased to hybrid? Or, since these are more well known, should they just imply hybrid along with their parents' species? (ex: zonkey implies hybrid, zebra, and donkey)

What's important is that the species actually get tagged. I don't mind if they get aliased away or just implied to them, myself, it's just these nonsensicle ones shouldn't exist.

-1
If we alias away this, it's a slow and slibbery slope to aliasing away every hybrid and custom species.
Implying I am fine with.

Actually, I think this isn't a legitimate hybrid but, instead, an artist-made species. This is because I have the character blacklisted and I get no results from the species tag, and they use it in their artist information. Notme corrected me on this before, we allow unique species so long as they are also listed as their closest visual.

They are tagging hybrid, and by dissecting the word seems to be FERret, RAT, and others I don't recognize. But it's definitely not a "normal" hybrid on-site.

-1, implicate it instead. Explanation below:

As far as I know, our usual treatment to hybrids consists in [species_A] + [ species_B] + 'hybrid', however if the hybrid in question has a specific name, then it should imply 'hybrid', as well as the species present in the "mixture" (regardless of the creature being a real or fictional).

O16 said:
-1, implicate it instead. Explanation below:

As far as I know, our usual treatment to hybrids consists in [species_A] + [ species_B] + 'hybrid', however if the hybrid in question has a specific name, then it should imply 'hybrid', as well as the species present in the "mixture" (regardless of the creature being a real or fictional).

The fact that the only character to have this species tag is Swizz suggests it's not a real hybrid, so it may as well just be ferret rat hybrid. I would not be opposed to aliasing to ferret instead, since it looks more ferret than rat.

Furrin_Gok said:
The fact that the only character to have this species tag is Swizz suggests it's not a real hybrid, so it may as well just be ferret rat hybrid.

I) I don't see why the fact of only existing only one specimen would invalidate the species.

II) the fact of it being tagged consistently more than 50 times suggests that the species is valid.

Furrin_Gok said:
I would not be opposed to aliasing to ferret instead, since it looks more ferret than rat.

Its ears, tail and snout apparently don't belong to a ferret (actually they hardly match with any mustelid).¹

¹ The snout is closer to a badger and the tail to a marten, however both still don't matching well.

O16 said:
I) I don't see why the fact of only existing only one specimen would invalidate the species.

II) the fact of it being tagged consistently more than 50 times suggests that the species is valid.

Its ears, tail and snout apparently don't belong to a ferret (actually they hardly match with any mustelid).¹

¹ The snout is closer to a badger and the tail to a marten, however both still don't matching well.

The tail is reminiscent of a rat's tail in length, albeit furry.

Siral_Exan said:
The tail is reminiscent of a rat's tail in length, albeit furry.

I imagined that would be the case, I merely compared those features with mustelids to show how they aren't even close of belonging to a ferret.

O16 said:
I imagined that would be the case, I merely compared those features with mustelids to show how it they aren't close to belong to a ferret.

Well, there is also feral artwork of them that might show some ferret, but I don't know if it's usable because the ones I paid attention to weren't recent. Check their FA, though, if you want to.

considering multiple different users seem to be tagging this the OP doesnt really seem to ring true. Might be reminded also that charr, sergal, angel_dragon among others are also made up names for made up species or hybrids(created by artists on FA) in the case of the latter 2, non the less they exist.

Also just because the species so far is represented by a single character does not make it invalid.

Hell to type but see no validity in a alias when its being used by many users so -1 for me as well. +1 for implication to hybrid if species are certain in the anatomy.

PS: interestingly FA brings up fewer results for this species then e621 does.

Bit off topic but is cheshire_cat a species or a single character?

Ruku said:

Bit off topic but is cheshire_cat a species or a single character?

Officially, yes, but I already saw some fan characters of this species in and out e621 (although they seem to be unnamed, if my memory does not fool me).

Ruku said:
considering multiple different users seem to be tagging this the OP doesnt really seem to ring true. Might be reminded also that charr, sergal, angel_dragon among others are also made up names for made up species or hybrids(created by artists on FA) in the case of the latter 2, non the less they exist.

Also just because the species so far is represented by a single character does not make it invalid.

Hell to type but see no validity in a alias when its being used by many users so -1 for me as well. +1 for implication to hybrid if species are certain in the anatomy.

PS: interestingly FA brings up fewer results for this species then e621 does.

Charr belong to a game, and Sergal are widespread. If you take a look at the Angel Dragon wiki, it itself already says it may as well just be tagged by the two tags separately.
Ferratoodorple is just a nonsense word for an "Unexplained hybrid," and probably only even exists as a tag because it's been unexplained. You can look for swizz -ferratoodorple and you'll find that no, it's not always tagged, despite looking the same still. This tells me that users have seen it as being nothing more than a filler tag for an artist not wanting to put much thought into just what their character is, but hey, we're e621. Objectifying things and determining what they are is our whole process.

Well, I'm going to give this a -1 to the alias. Ferratoodorple is (apparently, not assuming that it isn't only) an artist-made species, and we allow custom species on this site. so long as it's on top of normal tags. -And a couple things to be politically correct: I asked Notme for permission to quote them for this old comment; and this is my reason, I'm saying this because they corrected me and nothing more.

Furrin_Gok said:

Ferratoodorple is just a nonsense word for an "Unexplained hybrid," and probably only even exists as a tag because it's been unexplained.

You can look for swizz -ferratoodorple and you'll find that no, it's not always tagged, despite looking the same still. This tells me that users have seen it as being nothing more than a filler tag for an artist not wanting to put much thought into just what their character is, but hey, we're e621. Objectifying things and determining what they are is our whole process.

I don't get it. The artist created a hybrid species, named it as would be expected, and now it is on e621 among many others; what exactly is the problem here?

As already mentioned by more than one person:

I) the fact of existing a single specimen isn't enough reason to practically discard the species.

II) the consistency in the way the aforementioned species was tagged just enforce the fact of it being valid as a tag.

Seriously, what is the real issue? Is because the species which compose the hybrid aren't 100% obvious or what?

O16 said:
Don't get it. The artist created a hybrid species, named it as would be expected, and now it is on e621 among many others; what exactly is the problem here?

As already mentioned by more than one person:

I) the fact of existing a single specimen isn't enough reason to practically discard the species.

II) the consistency in the way the aforementioned species was tagged just enforce the fact of it being valid as a tag.

Seriously, what is the real issue? Is because the species which compose the hybrid aren't 100% obvious or what?

No multiple specimens. Anybody who has anything similar has it actually tagged with real terms. Inconsistent tagging, it's not always tagged, users simply ignore it.
If it were a custom species and not a hybrid, why would it have the hybrid tag?

Furrin_Gok said:
No multiple specimens. Anybody who has anything similar has it actually tagged with real terms. Inconsistent tagging, it's not always tagged, users simply ignore it.
If it were a custom species and not a hybrid, why would it have the hybrid tag?

The is lack of "real terms", at maximum, means that some extra information is needed in order to complete the tagging. Why would it mean that this species should be aliased away?
Additionally, what is the correlation between the number of specimens and this whole process?

We don't use hybrid merely regarding the biological meaning, any cheature that visibly combines features of two or more species is included, don't matter if it is customized or not.

Note: Also you are who brought up the idea of aliasing the referred species to 'hybrid'.

Oh for...

There. I untagged hybrid from the species. It shouldn't have had that in the first place, since it's a fictional species with its own name. Everyone happy now?

^{_{No need to make everything so bloody complicated...}}

Genjar said:
Oh for...

There. I untagged hybrid from the species. It shouldn't have had that in the first place, since it's a fictional species with its own name. Everyone happy now?

^{_{No need to make everything so bloody complicated...}}

Actually not.

Some species (such as cabbit) are fictional and have their own names, but still being considered hybrids; basically because they are.
If certain creature visibly is a hybrid, by logic, it should be tagged as such (except for satyrs, merfolks or similar species); I don't see any correlation between this and the species in question having a name or being fictional. If there is a logical reason justifying that, I really would like to know.

It's in the wiki.
Hybrid is for creatures that had two different species as the parents. Unicorn are not horse/narwhal hybrids, satyrs are not human/goat hybrids, etc.

But cabbits are supposed to be cat/rabbit crossbreeds (in the same way as ligers are lion/tiger). Therefore hybrids.

See the difference?

Personally I never thought that we should have special names for non-existent hybrids like cabbits in the first place. Creatures like the Liger that actually exist is where I'd draw the line.

Clawdragons said:
Personally I never thought that we should have special names for non-existent hybrids like cabbits in the first place. Creatures like the Liger that actually exist is where I'd draw the line.

If they become prevalent in art, I don't why we shouldn't have tags for them.

Genjar said:
It's in the wiki.
Hybrid is for creatures that had two different species as the parents. Unicorn are not horse/narwhal hybrids, satyrs are not human/goat hybrids, etc.

But cabbits are supposed to be cat/rabbit crossbreeds (in the same way as ligers are lion/tiger). Therefore hybrids.

See the difference?

Well... actually this isn't what I asked for; I guess that should have expressed myself better, I will try again.

You said:
"It shouldn't have had that in the first place, since it's a fictional species with its own name."

My question is exactly about that. Why the fact of ferratoodorple being fictional and named would mean it shouldn't be considered a hybrid (ferret/rat specifically)? Especially since we already have similar cases like cabbit.

Strikerman said:
If they become prevalent in art, I don't why we shouldn't have tags for them.

Seconded

O16 said:
My question is exactly about that. Why the fact of ferratoodorple being fictional and named would mean it shouldn't be considered a hybrid (ferret/rat specifically)? Especially since we already have similar cases like cabbit.

its about what it looks like. cabbits can be usually identified as hybrid of cat and rabbit. ferratoodorple doesnt really look like hybrid of anything specific, more like just odd fictional canine species.

O16 said:
My question is exactly about that. Why the fact of ferratoodorple being fictional and named would mean it shouldn't be considered a hybrid (ferret/rat specifically)?

Because as far as I know, it's a fictional species instead of a fictional crossbreed. Like I said.

This tag is no different from how sergals are handled. We allow some leeway for fictional species tagging. Have to, because they would be untaggable otherwise.

Ledian said:
its about what it looks like. cabbits can be usually identified as hybrid of cat and rabbit. ferratoodorple doesnt really look like hybrid of anything specific, more like just odd fictional canine species.

Genjar said:
Because as far as I know, it's a fictional species instead of a fictional crossbreed. Like I said.

This tag is no different from how sergals are handled. We allow some leeway for fictional species tagging. Have to, because they would be untaggable otherwise.

Now I think that understood. The issue is that the species in question doesn't look like a hybrid (or at least not enough).

Being sincere, I can see some characteristics related to rats and ferrets, however nothing really distinctive. Well, I guess you are right.

The tag alias ferratoodorple -> hybrid (forum #238578) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.