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Implicating striped_tail → multicolored_tail
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Striped tails have more than one color on them, much in the same way that dipstick_tail does.
EDIT: The tag implication striped_tail -> multicolored_tail (forum #241671) has been rejected by @NotMeNotYou.
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BlueDingo said:
Implications:
+1. It is a bit surprising that these implications haven't been suggested until now.
BlueDingo said:
Misc.
- Shouldn't ringed_tail imply striped_tail? Those "rings" look an awful lot like stripes to me.
Yes, it shouldn't.
There are some key differences between tail rings (marking) and tail stripes:
I) The former are "perfect" circles, hence typically haven't a start or an end, while the latter typically have.
II) The former may be way thicker than the latter are (e.g.)
III) The former typically have a defined and regular spacing, while the latter tend to be more irregular.
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Edit:
I am going to sleep, will respond (post below) later.
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O16 said:
I) The former are "perfect" circles, hence typically haven't a start or an end, while the latter typically have.II) The former may be way thicker than the latter are (e.g.)
III) The former typically have a defined and regular spacing, while the latter tend to be more irregular.
Since when are stripes supposed to have a definite start/finish? Or a specific thickness? Or a specific variation in spacing? None of these
points explains why they're not stripes. All you've done is say they're a specific type of stripe.
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/ufe_rw_stripes.gif
Here is a striped flag. All of the stripes are of uniform thickness and spacing. If I bent it around and connected the left and right edges to form a cylinder, does it suddenly stop being striped?
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While personally i would prefer to differentiate between stripes that are lines that have a start and and a end while rings are lines that form a loop.
striped tail = post #1038609 post #1229905
ringed tail = post #261615 post #1110331
i have to agree with blue, in google searches ring tail pretty much completly overlaps with striped tail...
https://www.google.com/search?q=striped+tail&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs6sGjxo_WAhUB-GMKHeDDBYoQ_AUICigB&biw=1919&bih=956
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1919&bih=956&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ring+tail&oq=ring+tail&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i67k1j0i10i67k1l2.304424.305306.0.306310.4.4.0.0.0.0.219.576.0j3j1.4.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.4.574...0i7i30k1j0i13k1j0i7i10i30k1.gQPOrDHKiiY
Also thickness,spacing and clean/irregular are not traits for differentiation as both types of markings can vary equally among these traits.
PS:if that flag was folded into a cylinder then that would also stop being a actual flag in accordance of other things like clothing splashed with a flag design not being a actual flag.
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-1.
Striped is usually two colors, and multi-colored tags are meant to be used for more than two. Two colors should go under two_tone_* instead.
Some recent implications broke that, but it'd be better to fix those (such as dipstick_tail -> multicolored_tail) rather than break it further.
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Genjar said:
-1.
Striped is usually two colors, and multi-colored tags were meant to be used for more than two (which should go under two_tone_* instead). Some recent implications broke that, but it'd be better to fix those rather than break it further.
But striped tails aren't always two colors, they can often be multiple colors like rainbow tails for example
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facelessmess said:
But striped tails aren't always two colors, they can often be multiple colors like rainbow tails for example
Ones with two colors should be tagged as two_tone_tail, and ones with more than two as multicolored_tail. But since they're not all multi-colored, no implication can be made.
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Genjar said:
-1.
Striped is usually two colors, and multi-colored tags are meant to be used for more than two. Two colors should go under two_tone_* instead.Some recent implications broke that, but it'd be better to fix those (such as dipstick_tail -> multicolored_tail) rather than break it further.
Look at the wiki, it is at least 2 colors, not more then 2 color. Worth pointing out two_tone_* skin, fur, body, feathers and scales among others are all implicated to their multicolor equivalent "two tone" is not a separate definition, it is a sub-catagory of multicolored_*
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Darou said:
Look at the wiki, it is at least 2 colors, not more then 2 color.
That was changed by someone without any discussion. Check the original entries.
Multi- usually means 'many', and there's quite a difference between two colors and many colors. Tagging 'multi-colored' for any body part that has markings is excessive, and almost certainly not what the users are looking for if they search for multi-anything. At least based on GIS.
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Genjar said:
That was changed by someone without any discussion. Check the original entries.Multi- usually means 'many', and there's quite a difference between two colors and many colors. Tagging 'multi-colored' for any body part that has markings is excessive, and almost certainly not what the users are looking for if they search for multi-anything. At least based on GIS.
but it seems to be the standard on this site that multi colored tags are for things that have two or more colors. most of two tone tags imply to multicolored tags and most of wiki pages state that mulitcolored tags are for things with two or more colors.
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Ledian said:
but it seems to be the standard on this site that multi colored tags are for things that have two or more colors. most of two tone tags imply to multicolored tags and most of wiki pages state that mulitcolored tags are for things with two or more colors.
The admin who did those liked to solo, and we've had to undo a lot of bad aliases and implications they made. After the first ones got implicated without discussion, the rest have followed the 'standard'.
But it is not a good standard. If any character who has any kind of markings or different colorings is multi-colored, then almost every character on the site is multi-colored. Except for humans and humanoids.
It should also be noted that most wiki entries of two_tone_* point out that those shouldn't be used if the colors are of similar shade. So grey stripes on dark grey fur is not two toned, and definitely not multi-colored.
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Genjar said:
So grey stripes on dark grey fur is not two toned, and definitely not multi-colored.
So two tones of grey is not two toned... Interesting.
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BlueDingo said:
So two tones of grey is not two toned... Interesting.
much like gender on e621, the "tone" in two_tone_* is a misleading term, we are actually talking about hue, not tone. If tone(or tint/shade) was really what is actually being talked about and allowed then yes as genjar say literally everything would be tagged as two_tone_*, some would even be taging simple celshading as such>>
Also genjar that google search regarding multicolor seem to imply rainbows for the most part not multiple colors in general, excludes 3 and 4 color palettes as well for the most part which would comprise the majority in multicolor tag on e621. if 2 color palletes are excluded.
As far as coloring goes anything more then 1 is multiple, color does not have that 3 part grouping we apply to number of characters, two_tone_* is a sub-catagory of multicolor in the same way 4_arms is a sub-catagory of multi_arms for example. to be clear two_tone_* implications are what we are talking about not aliases.
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BlueDingo said:
Since when are stripes supposed to have a definite start/finish? Or a specific thickness? Or a specific variation in spacing? None of these
points explains why they're not stripes. All you've done is say they're a specific type of stripe.http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/ufe_rw_stripes.gif
Here is a striped flag. All of the stripes are of uniform thickness and spacing. If I bent it around and connected the left and right edges to form a cylinder, does it suddenly stop being striped?
I actually was referring to stripes commonly seem in animals (focusing on their tails), not necessary to stripes as a whole.
Also that is more banded than striped (see below).
Darou said:
While personally i would prefer to differentiate between stripes that are lines that have a start and and a end while rings are lines that form a loop.striped tail = post #1038609 post #1229905
ringed tail = post #261615 post #1110331
Well, this would make things easier to sort for sure.
Darou said:
i have to agree with blue, in google searches ring tail pretty much completly overlaps with striped tail...https://www.google.com/search?q=striped+tail&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs6sGjxo_WAhUB-GMKHeDDBYoQ_AUICigB&biw=1919&bih=956
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1919&bih=956&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ring+tail&oq=ring+tail&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i67k1j0i10i67k1l2.304424.305306.0.306310.4.4.0.0.0.0.219.576.0j3j1.4.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.4.574...0i7i30k1j0i13k1j0i7i10i30k1.gQPOrDHKiiY
That isn't the first case in witch the internet cannot "agree" on certain matter, this kind of confusion is pretty common, but since we are discussing organization of content under a specific site, is necessary to found some agreement.
Note: "ring tail" is a term mostly used for bassariks and rig-tailed_lemurs; that is why your second link shows mostly images of those two creatures rather than ringed tails in general.
Darou said:
Also thickness,spacing and clean/irregular are not traits for differentiation as both types of markings can vary equally among these traits.
Not actually.
Stripes usually are thin and often irregular, while tail rings commonly are thick ans have considerable regularity in regards of spacing and shape.
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I guess is important to notice the difference between 'striped' and 'banded' in order of clarifying this matter:
Note 1: Since "striped" has a more common usage it also became use more broadly, causing some... "mixing".
Note 2: Those concepts may overlap if the stripes/bands are thin and regularly spaced.
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About 'multicolored' vs 'two_tone':
I guess that understand what Genjar is stating; keeping 2 and ≥3 apart is more logical from organization sake also seems more intuitive (both in regard of searching and tagging).
Also, quite frankly, "bicolored" sounds a way better fitting than "two_tone", I wonder why we didn't started with it.
Additionally, If so those tags are meant to not be used for hue variations, then having a set of tags for this would help organizing things.
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Then I guess we better start splitting ALL the striped tags (except striped_hyena) to fully differentiate between consistent stripes ("banded") and inconsistent stripes ("striped"), because we wouldn't want to be inconsistent or anything.
post #1267590post #534559post #1269326
All of these are tagged as striped. Also note that ringed_tail is the only 'ringed' tag used in this fashion and we don't use 'banded' tags for this either.
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The tag implication striped_tail -> multicolored_tail (forum #241671) has been rejected by @NotMeNotYou.
