So. Let me start off with the fact that this is basically pure fantasy and flight of fancy, but it's been nibbling at my head for a few weeks.

Okay so. We have some amazing artwork here. My favorite stuff tends to be the really detailed painter-ish stuff that looks like it could be hanging on someone's wall.

It's made me aware of a problem...

post #1399490 post #1398488 post #1348158 post #1398456 post #1310081 post #577120
post #1386575 post #1396367 post #1362535 post #1307566 post #1259803 post #1245491

Lovely drawings. So what's the problem? The first 6 are tagged avian, while the last 6 are tagged marine.

And of course, there are bird, there are sea-life, but... they're far from the focus of the picture. Yet, they're consistently tagged.

So,. my pipedream fantasy is to have another set of tags. Say: Ambient_bird... ambient_sealife, ambient_wildlife, ambient_insect etc.

I feel bad for the poor person who wants to find an anthro butterfly

There are nearly 2000 butterfly posts and at least at a glance, most of them are little decorative bugs.

There's a problem here, but surely there's a solution?

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EDIT: I'm starting to tag stuff with this. I'm keeping tack of what I'm tagging here. Some of this are probably a little redundant, but easier to over-segregate than to be overly inclusive. :)

• ambient_bird
• ambient_sealife - maybe it should be sea_life? For crabs, starfish, and other nonfishy critters.
• ambient_fish
• ambient_insect
• ambient_butterfly
• ambient_fairy

i think this is relevant: forum #240663

basically the conclusion was that its kinda hard to make work in practice because its so difficult to put any clear line between the "decorative background stuff" and everything else

Commander_Eggplant said:
i think this is relevant: forum #240663

basically the conclusion was that its kinda hard to make work in practice because its so difficult to put any clear line between the "decorative background stuff" and everything else

Goodness, there's a lot of fussing and bickering in there. Like, I wasn't there and I can feel my blood pressure rising by proxy.

It is certainly a good point that it's hard to put a clear line in place, between background and foreground.

That said I'm not necessarily advocating deleting tags, or not tagging things in a post. More talking about adding some new tags in to make it easier to filter stuff out. Y'know, Ambient_butterfly implies butterfly, which still implies everything else, but then you can -ambient_butterfly if you want.

Or maybe there are some circumstances where we should break the usual tag rules and actually tag something like anthro_butterfly. I dunno.

Like I said, this is probably a fruitless endeavor, but *shrug*

I jsut feel bad tagging bird and butterfly on things where they aren't the focus.. And I feel bad for not tagging them when they're there. XD

I dunno.

I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's actually not that hard to tell what's the focus of the image, we already tag plenty of things based on that (crowd, various *_focus tags, etc). Is it on the background, minding its own business and not interacting with the main focus of the image? Then it's ambient.

And these are meant as additional informational tags instead of replacements, yes? So it shouldn't affect old tags or the way we tag character counts in any way.

The only downside that I can think of is that filtering out tags such as -ambient_bird would result in not seeing all potentially relevant posts (e.g. post #919640, where there's both ambient and non-ambient birds).

Genjar said:
The only downside that I can think of is that filtering out tags such as -ambient_bird would result in not seeing all potentially relevant posts (e.g. post #919640, where there's both ambient and non-ambient birds).

Unless we have a tag for ambient wildlife in general.

Genjar said:
I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's actually not that hard to tell what's the focus of the image, we already tag plenty of things based on that (crowd, various *_focus tags, etc). Is it on the background, minding its own business and not interacting with the main focus of the image? Then it's ambient.

And these are meant as additional informational tags instead of replacements, yes? So it shouldn't affect old tags or the way we tag character counts in any way.

Yep, just an easy -ambient_butterfly to make it 99% easier to find anthro butterflies.

The only downside that I can think of is that filtering out tags such as -ambient_bird would result in not seeing all potentially relevant posts (e.g. post #919640, where there's both ambient and non-ambient birds).

This is true. I honestly think that I would avoid tagging ambient_bird on that one--it might not be 'correct,' but it being tagged on that picture would defeat the purpose of having the tag. :) but that's just me.

BlueDingo said:
Unless we have a tag for ambient wildlife in general.

I think the same issue would still pop up? if you're looking for anthro butterflies, and there's an anthro butterfly and a 'real' butterfly in it's hair, anthro butterfly -ambient_butterfly and anthro butterfly -ambient_wildlife will come to about the same search result... and also cut out the anthro butterfly with the birds off in the background.

That said, I'd probably have all of the ambient_whatever tags imply ambient wildlife. There should only be a few, after all--birds, bugs, fish, and maybe rats are generally the biggest 'offenders'

And, plus side--you could search for ambient_wildlife to find what are PROBABLY higher detailed images :D