I’ve been seeing posts from many people being deleted, including mine, from a moderator named “NotMeNotYou.” He often deletes posts for “Not meeting minimum quality standards,” which makes me think he deletes posts he does not like. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if he deleted this forum topic because it gives him bad publicity. Has anyone had the same issue with this moderator? Let me know.

Maria_Kauffman said:
I’ve been seeing posts from many people being deleted, including mine, from a moderator named “NotMeNotYou.” He often deletes posts for “Not meeting minimum quality standards,” which makes me think he deletes posts he does not like. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if he deleted this forum topic because it gives him bad publicity. Has anyone had the same issue with this moderator? Let me know.

1. If you have a problem with a mod, taking it up with them in a PM is probably your best bet.

2. This site has quality and content standards; if your content doesn't fit the minimum standards, it gets deleted. If you want to contest this deletion, see step 1 and contact the mod who deleted it.

3. Don't take deletion so personally. I can understand your frustration; we're all human, and rejection in general is naturally upsetting. So, honestly, being upset or disappointed isn't a bad reaction in itself. However, don't frame this reaction as a purposeful attack against you. You're fine in being upset or disappointed, but that (more often than not) doesn't mean the mod is deliberately targeting you

Maria_Kauffman said:
I’ve been seeing posts from many people being deleted, including mine, from a moderator named “NotMeNotYou.” He often deletes posts for “Not meeting minimum quality standards,” which makes me think he deletes posts he does not like. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if he deleted this forum topic because it gives him bad publicity. Has anyone had the same issue with this moderator? Let me know.

https://bit.ly/2Brl6DC

That's the lead admin of the sight the sight which has minimum quality standards,
also I've had nothing but good interactions with him.

Doomguy666 said:
That's the lead admin of the sight the sight which has minimum quality standards

https://bit.ly/2Brl6DC

possiblyawerewolf said:
https://bit.ly/2Brl6DC

Hey now, no need to be rude...

They're certainly (seemingly) wrongly accusing a mod of targeted deletions, but we don't need to be rude here.

Maria_Kauffman said:
I’ve been seeing posts from many people being deleted, including mine, from a moderator named “NotMeNotYou.” He often deletes posts for “Not meeting minimum quality standards,” which makes me think he deletes posts he does not like. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if he deleted this forum topic because it gives him bad publicity. Has anyone had the same issue with this moderator? Let me know.

are you aware that NotMeNotYou is the head admin

siikaprinssi said:
are you aware that NotMeNotYou is the head admin

Now I am

I gotta say that all my interactions with NotMeNotYou were always pretty good.

I think most people when they start making posts over at e621 usually forget to read the Upload Guidelines.

The guidelines specify that there is a Quality Standard to be met from posts.

For reference:
https://e621.net/help/show/uploading_guidelines

Maria_Kauffman said:
I’ve been seeing posts from many people being deleted, including mine, from a moderator named “NotMeNotYou.” He often deletes posts for “Not meeting minimum quality standards,” which makes me think he deletes posts he does not like. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if he deleted this forum topic because it gives him bad publicity. Has anyone had the same issue with this moderator? Let me know.

Helo! Welcome to e621!
As manually curated booru, this is part of post approval process and all everyone above janitor rank will do this.

If you want to see all posts that have been deleted for any quality reasons, see delreason:quality (~23 000 posts, starting when site was created).

What the others said is correct, we have quality standards in order to ensure our users see higher quality artwork, and don't have to sift through pages of scribbles or 4chan mspaint adventures. The downside is that sometimes art from novices and beginners won't be accepted because they aren't yet familiar with all the ins and outs of creating a 2D representation of a 3D object.

As for personal bias, I delete many images I actually quite like, either for their theme or humor, but they're still not inside of the scope of our guidelines and need to go, no matter how much I like them. On the other hand I've approved thousands of images I absolutely detest simply because they don't break any guidelines, and my personal feelings don't matter for my admin duties.

Weekly thread about artist getting their mediocre crud getting removed for quality in an archive #567

mrnotsosafeforwork said:
Weekly thread about artist getting their mediocre crud getting removed for quality in an archive #567

Was this comment really necessary? It's clearly a new user that doesn't know how things work here and got confused, what good does it do to anyone to come here and mock them?

mabit said:
Was this comment really necessary? It's clearly a new user that doesn't know how things work here and got confused, what good does it do to anyone to come here and mock them?

Join Date Mar 03, 2015

New user.. Right.

Please see forum #235851

FoxFourOhFour said:
Join Date Mar 03, 2015

New user.. Right.

Yes, with 3 lifetime uploads. Not exactly experienced with uploading artwork here I'd say

And even if they weren't, there is still no reason to be toxic when you could simply inform them better about how stuff works around here. Constantly trying to one up everyone will only discourage people from contributing to the site.

What I was trying to point out with my post was THIS
https://e621.net/forum/search?query=Does+not+meet+minimum
It's hilariously predictable and reoccurring with the exact same pattern every time. Artist complains that their art is getting deleted.
It's always by NMNY
It's always because of minimum quality
Cue back and forth bickering within the thread until who but God knows what.
The fact that OP's account is 3 years old doesn't help with that, with how common these posts are in the forums, as demonstrated in the search link. Hell there's even a sticky about it because these threads are so common yet they usual don't bother to self troubleshoot or anything before hitting the new thread button to complain.

mrnotsosafeforwork said:
What I was trying to point out with my post was THIS
https://e621.net/forum/search?query=Does+not+meet+minimum
It's hilariously predictable and reoccurring with the exact same pattern every time. Artist complains that their art is getting deleted.
It's always by NMNY
It's always because of minimum quality
Cue back and forth bickering within the thread until who but God knows what.
The fact that OP's account is 3 years old doesn't help with that, with how common these posts are in the forums, as demonstrated in the search link. Hell there's even a sticky about it because these threads are so common yet they usual don't bother to self troubleshoot or anything before hitting the new thread button to complain.

Ah yeah, it does seem that it might happen with some frequency. Perhaps to the point where it would be beneficial to try to engineer a solution to it.

Just from the top of my head, I think a good suggestion would be approaching the deletion messages like it is done with the negative scores, with the message linking directly to the section in the upload guidelines that the deleted post doesn't conform to.

Just an initial thought that could do with lots of refining, but I'm afraid that this is not really the place for such discussion hahaha

After all these years, I don't see why people still fight quality control guidelines or complain. It's somewhat the same format here as it was always. Only on some sites, members couldn't get a glimpse at pending posts and view records. You'd either have to be an admin or have moderator rights to see the inner workings. Generally if posts had any issues, they'd quarantine it for debate. Which took about a week or month(s).

I had a problem with an admin too where they gave me a flag on my account for posting an image I found from Google that I couldn't find anywhere else, so I submitted it to e621 in hopes of finding the artist and also adding the art to the site since it was never posted before.

In turn I get a flag on my account for posting an image that is DNp when how could I have known that it was DNP because I didn't know who the artist was and couldn't find it on e621 or FurAffinity.

He was really shitty like he seems to be looking at his comment history to other members and kept saying "not my problem, not my problem" and then saying I shouldn't post images here when the source is unknown...which is a nonsensical statement because every image here has an unknown source when it's first uploaded and he is saying that e621 doesn't want anyone to post images here.

I've heard from many artists on FA and Inkbunny that they hate e621 because the admins abuse their power (which is why the admin turnover rate is so high) because those admins like to ban people for stuff they disagree with just because they can, and directly antagonize people so then they can ban them for violating rules, and have even taken down art that the artist themselves submitted to the site for no reason at all.

Naughtynose said:
I had a problem with an admin too where they gave me a flag on my account for posting an image I found from Google that I couldn't find anywhere else, so I submitted it to e621 in hopes of finding the artist and also adding the art to the site since it was never posted before.

In turn I get a flag on my account for posting an image that is DNp when how could I have known that it was DNP because I didn't know who the artist was and couldn't find it on e621 or FurAffinity.

He was really shitty like he seems to be looking at his comment history to other members and kept saying "not my problem, not my problem" and then saying I shouldn't post images here when the source is unknown...

This is nobody's fault but your own. You uploaded content without checking to see if it was something you should actually be posting, and not just one time either. The DNP list alone should make it abundantly clear that you don't do this. e621 is an archive first and foremost, not a utility for finding image sources. Try saucenao or iqdb.harry.lu.

which is a nonsensical statement because every image here has an unknown source when it's first uploaded and he is saying that e621 doesn't want anyone to post images here.

That's a laugh.

Naughtynose said:
I've heard from many artists on FA and Inkbunny that they hate e621 because the admins abuse their power (which is why the admin turnover rate is so high) because those admins like to ban people for stuff they disagree with just because they can, and directly antagonize people so then they can ban them for violating rules, and have even taken down art that the artist themselves submitted to the site for no reason at all.

What would you say are the odds that these artists got their stuff removed for not meeting quality standards?

If you've got a problem with staff, give evidence rather than hearsay. It's better for everybody involved if there's actual proof of any wrongdoing, rather than limiting it to "but my friend said..."

Lafcadio said:
If you've got a problem with staff, give evidence rather than hearsay. It's better for everybody involved if there's actual proof of any wrongdoing, rather than limiting it to "but my friend said..."

Well there were some issues a long time ago (Before the administration of the site changed hands) where e621 was quite different, there might've been some stigma carried over from that time. (Well I can't comment much on it given that it could've been many different reasons).

Naughtynose
I had a problem with an admin too where they gave me a flag on my account for posting an image I found from Google that I couldn't find anywhere else, so I submitted it to e621 in hopes of finding the artist and also adding the art to the site since it was never posted before.

In turn I get a flag on my account for posting an image that is DNp when how could I have known that it was DNP because I didn't know who the artist was and couldn't find it on e621 or FurAffinity.

Ever since 2014 when I first joined this site, I still have yet to see people being banned because of power abuse, the interactions that i've had with the administration of the site has always been pretty cordial. (I've talked to HuskyK9, NotMeNotYou, Parasprite, Mairo, Ratte).

In any occasion e621 encourages people to post images straight from their original sources (aka artists' pages), and there are a lot of ways of finding sources if you don't know the original sources. (There are quite a few reverse search engines around AND there is a source request thread stickied on the forum so people can help you source it before you decide to post)

Naughtynose said:

I've heard from many artists on FA and Inkbunny that they hate e621 because the admins abuse their power (which is why the admin turnover rate is so high) because those admins like to ban people for stuff they disagree with just because they can, and directly antagonize people so then they can ban them for violating rules, and have even taken down art that the artist themselves submitted to the site for no reason at all.

Really? Because I've heard the opposite. When Jasonafex and Kabier pulled all of their art from this site, they said it was because the admins wouldn't step in to punish users who left negative or overly critical comments on their work, i.e. they weren't "abusing their power" enough. Sounds like it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for the admins.

mabit said:
Yes, with 3 lifetime uploads. Not exactly experienced with uploading artwork here I'd say

And even if they weren't, there is still no reason to be toxic when you could simply inform them better about how stuff works around here. Constantly trying to one up everyone will only discourage people from contributing to the site.

No one's being toxic. I've had some of my uploads removed for not meeting the quality standards and you don't see me bitching about it.

You guys need to be nice. The age of an account doesn't really mean anything. Someone might make an account because they want faves or a blacklist option, and never read a single comment or forum post until one day they decide to share a picture they found or made.

Most people don't notice when art is delted. This is because when you browse the website, you are either looking at art that's already been approved, or art that's waiting to be approved. Rarely do you click on a link only for it to be deleted between the time of the thumbnail loading on the main page and when you click on it to look for it.

It's either already gone, or you already saw it. So most people don't realize that we delete around 40 pictures a day. Of course, when you realize that we get 800-1000 pictures a day... *shrugs* (I wish I could show you some of this stuff. Blurry stick figures drawn on lined paper taken with an out of focus potato? MSpaint edits of lush, detailed artwork? All this and more.)

mrnotsosafeforwork said:
Artist complains that their art is getting deleted.
It's always by NMNY
It's always because of minimum quality
Cue back and forth bickering within the thread until who but God knows what.

mabit said:
Ah yeah, it does seem that it might happen with some frequency. Perhaps to the point where it would be beneficial to try to engineer a solution to it.

This is because NMNY is the lead admin.

My job, as janitor, is to say "this picture was drawn by a lefthanded baboon" and delete it. When I have trouble determining something though, I use one of my lifelines and consult with other members of the staff.
NMNY's job, among many, is to provide a final word. And he typically goes ahead and clicks delete while he's doing that, rather than asking us to do it. It's... politeness on his part, y'know?

Just from the top of my head, I think a good suggestion would be approaching the deletion messages like it is done with the negative scores, with the message linking directly to the section in the upload guidelines that the deleted post doesn't conform to.

This isn't a bad idea, but it also adds time to our already heavy workload--like I said, we tend to have anywhere from 500-1000 posts per day. Each one is approved by hand.

Besides... I mean.. a single deleted image doesn't really hurt you any. And it doesn't really seem unreasonable to expect that someone should read the rules before uploading.
And if they get an image deleted, maybe they should read the rules then?

I mean, they're not exactly hidden...

but perhaps this is something we should give consideration to, thank you.

Naughtynose said:
I had a problem with an admin too

Okay. Let's get some perspective here.

You've uploaded 20 posts. 18 have been deleted:

2 - Irrelevant to site (in your defense, these were posted 2 and 3 years ago.) (On the other hand. one of these images was a twitter screenshot.)
1 - Irrelevant to site (this one was posted 4 hours ago ... it was a meme. with photos of real people. With a fursuit.)
1 - Poor quality edit (4 hours ago of a picture of nick Wilde edited to be wearing Nazi uniform.)
3 - Inferior versions (1 posted 2 weeks after the superior version was posted, and 2 that have been replaced by users.)(one of these was as recently as 3 hours ago.)
8 - Artist removal requests. (in your defense, most of those were from one artist, and there were many other people who posted that artist's work too.)
3 - Artist is on the avoid posting list - Your first was 2 years ago. Your second, 11 days ago, earned you a neutral--not a negative. You haven't gotten anything for the third one, posted 3 hours ago. Yet.

This leaves you with two images. One is a picture of anthro Dylan Klebold and Anthro Eric Harris. The other image is the two of them engaging in sexual activities together. Honestly, if they were posted today, I"m not sure that I would approve them on artistic merits. But that's neither here nor there.

Okay. Let's continue.

where they gave me a flag on my account for posting an image I found from Google that I couldn't find anywhere else,

Oh, I love this challenge!

• Right click...

"search google for image"
The top results aren't relevant...
Click on "Find other sizes of this image: All Sizes"

• Yep

Let's look at link number 1.. Oh
Wow, yeah, that link straight up has a link directly to the artist's furaffinity

• Let's take a quick look around.... the artist has their art arranged by character.... a quick look tells us the character's name, it's about 3 years old.. aaaand there it is! Complete with the artist's signature which had been edited off.
• Also, had this artist not been DNP, the posted original was 853x1280, while the uploaded copy was 600x900.

Very challenging to find.

so I submitted it to e621 in hopes of finding the artist

we have a thread! "Find the artist/source/image request" .. forum #249234 ... right there at the top of the forums.

and also adding the art to the site since it was never posted before.

Actually it HAD been-- post #445513 -- but it had been deleted. The duplicate catcher only works if you're actually sourcing your image properly.

In turn I get a flag on my account for posting an image that is DNp when how could I have known that it was DNP because I didn't know who the artist was and couldn't find it on e621 or FurAffinity.

That would be because you posted a DNP artist. For the second time.

also a neutral record is basically exactly that: Neutral. It decays after 6 months. It's a warning. Not a punishment.

He was really shitty like he seems to be looking at his comment history to other members and kept saying "not my problem, not my problem"

I'm not sure what you're saying here, but... It sounds like you're talking about Rattes's comments made to other people and that they seem shitty?

let me see..
some Ratte highlights from the few months...

The ever-so-vicious poof:
"Stop slinging shit in the comments." ... "Pretty sure I said to stop. That doesn't mean "hey do this some more." Next time's a slap." <-- Vicious!
"We don't care about your vendettas. This was posted by the artist so you will have to contact and reason with them if you want it removed." <-- GASP!
"Given what I do here, chances are if I have to comment on something it isn't for a "nice" reason. It gets tiresome and thus I get annoyed."
"So fix (the mistagged posts). Things not getting reported does not mean it's acceptable to do."
"I remember you. Thanks for enjoying my work."

It SOUNDS a lot liek Ratte's been enforcing the rules, like one would expect a moderator to do....

and then saying I shouldn't post images here when the source is unknown...which is a nonsensical statement because every image here has an unknown source when it's first uploaded and he is saying that e621 doesn't want anyone to post images here.

What?? o.O

No? O.o

I mean, when I find something I want to upload, I've already got the source--the webpage I found it on. And if it's not a typical art website, I look to see if the artist has an art site I like more: then I have several sources. Then, there's the power of google image search, as posted above.

It's REALLY dang easy to find sources.

There are SOME images that don't have sources. I actually have a folder of art on my computer that I've thought about uploading, but it's going to be a lot of work. why? Because it's a folder of art I saved 15 years ago, and some of the artists have vanished, changed usernames, deleted all of their old art, etc. But I'll spend 20 minutes per picture trying to track down the source.

Why? Because that's what you DO. This is how you are a good uploader. If you don't do this, someone else has to. Or no one does and the artist just never gets any recognition for their art and gets angry if they find it here, with no credit or source links. This is how some artists end up on the DNP list by the way. Because they see us as stealing their art.

I've heard from many artists on FA and Inkbunny that they hate e621 because the admins abuse their power (which is why the admin turnover rate is so high)

That doesn't even make sense. Why would someone quit from a position where they're allowed free rein of power? Or do you mean that people are removed from the staff because they abuse their powers? Thus suggesting that NotMeNotYou is fulfilling his duty as head admin and keeping his staff fair and controlled?

because those admins like to ban people for stuff they disagree with just because they can, and directly antagonize people so then they can ban them for violating rules, and have even taken down art that the artist themselves submitted to the site for no reason at all.

Well, my uncle works at Nintendo and HE told me that you really shouldn't listen to random people on the internet, especially people who are angry because they're very good at lying to make themselves look like they're right and everyone else is wrong.

to address things directly:

"admins like to ban people for stuff they disagree with just because they can" Do you mean for posting gross art? Nope, we all approve pictures we dislike, or even are nauseated by, unless they violate our content rules. Now, do we ban people for being racist, argumentative, or abusive? Yeah. do we ban people who talk about fucking their pet dog or for posting creepy comments? Sure. But in all but the most law-breaking examples, people get warnings first. Typically several of them. Which means people have to keep being breaking the rules over and over and over again before they get banned.

"and directly antagonize people so then they can ban them for violating rules," If by antagonize, you mean tell them "no, you really did break the rules"? then yeah, we do that. but generally speaking, even people who pick fights with the administration get warnings first before any suspensions or bans. People are responsible for their own behavior.

Seriously, people react to records in one of three ways:

• Silence
• "Oh okay, sorry, won't happen again."
• Anger

If you react with anger.... the staff has no control over that. Seriously.

" and have even taken down art that the artist themselves submitted to the site for no reason at all."

I think something like this *has* happened once or twice, but I don't know the circumstances of it.

I will say that it's dangerous to assume that just because the artist's name and the e621 account's name are the same that they're the same person. Especially if said artist is DNP.

but over all... don't listen to gossip. look at what youv'e experienced: You violated the rules repeatedly and have received 1 neutral warning. It sounds more like you're looking for a reason to get upset.

Okay I've been typing at this long enough. Sorry if I end up double posting.

NotMeNotYou said:
pages of scribbles or 4chan mspaint adventures.

While a large number of quests have below-e621-standard artwork and should not have panels posted here, this is an oddly specific target.

SnowWolf said:
*Nope, not scrolling through that again*

When you delete a post, do you pick a reason and get a pre-made deletion message, or do you have to manually type them separately? If it's the former these links would be as simple as customizing the message, since they appear to support Dtext.

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
When you delete a post, do you pick a reason and get a pre-made deletion message, or do you have to manually type them separately? If it's the former these links would be as simple as customizing the message, since they appear to support Dtext.

It's a blank field without any presets.

MyNameIsOver20charac said:
When you delete a post, do you pick a reason and get a pre-made deletion message, or do you have to manually type them separately? If it's the former these links would be as simple as customizing the message, since they appear to support Dtext.

As was stated, we type it in manually each time. My webbrowser will try and suggest some helpful text sometimes, and I at least keep a notepad around with deletion reasons in it... we do try to be consistent in our "key words" (for example "inferior" and "duplicate" are almost always used in... well, the obvious types of circumstances, but some of us take "human only" while others tag something like "too human"... but "human" is the commonality.)

It's not a HUGE addition to the workload, but the bigger problem is also that the uploading guidelines only has 5 sections, which are good thins to upload, bad things to upload, quality standards, humans, and advertisements. So you wouldn't get a link precisely to paragraph 12, subsection B...

I guess over all we *could* link to the uploading rules... but at the same time, "Human only" or "Artist is DNP" is pretty straight forward, y'know?

SnowWolf said:
[Whole lotta text.]

That was a super satisfying deconstruction of OP's rumor-mongering and the anti-e621 circlejerk. Thank you.

SnowWolf said:
[Mein eyes!]

Well... you people do your job the way whatever. It's just when they bring their rage against the man elsewhere, we have trouble deciphering through all that authoritarian, narcissistic, dystopian overlord stuff. Hell, the way they carry on about whoever, one would think it was an in person confrontation than something that happened on the internet.

Like, I said: the way to piss someone off is to leave them right. When they expect you to come back left, don't com... don't come at all. [hehehehe]

MrKranberryJam69 said:
Well... you people do your job the way whatever. It's just when they bring their rage against the man elsewhere, we have trouble deciphering through all that authoritarian, narcissistic, dystopian overlord stuff. Hell, the way they carry on about whoever, one would think it was an in person confrontation than something that happened on the internet.

Like, I said: the way to piss someone off is to leave them right. When they expect you to come back left, don't com... don't come at all. [hehehehe]

The man elsewhere? The well defined rules of the site are enforced on the site.

Random said:
The man elsewhere? The well defined rules of the site are enforced on the site.

I believe they meant to say when yet another thread about us admins is made on 8ch, FA, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NjNL4Nsa4Q

NotMeNotYou said:
I believe they meant to say when yet another thread about us admins is made on 8ch, FA, etc.

I really shouldn't post when sick, heh. Sorry nim.

NotMeNotYou said:
I believe they meant to say when yet another thread about us admins is made on 8ch, FA, etc.

They only post memes and creepy asterisk porn on Reddit. But still and yet, it gets redundant when they post the same like thing over and over again.

Now blissful madness is beautiful when given character. But one can certainly over do it with memetastic aesthetics and psychoanalytical highfalutin wordage.

Doesn't row me much, as it's not only from here, and I don't pay heed to novelistic articles of angst. If someone so hated the confusion and disparity, they wouldn't bother going back for second or third helpings.

I got a question. I just had a year-old post deleted for being human only, while some more recent posts like post #1569652 are still up. Are some human only posts exempt from being deleted, or is it just decided by if a mod feels like deleting them?

Dogenzaka said:
I got a question. I just had a year-old post deleted for being human only, while some more recent posts like post #1569652 are still up. Are some human only posts exempt from being deleted, or is it just decided by if a mod feels like deleting them?

That one has been grandfathered in from post #534502.