Implicating saddle → riding_tack
Link to implication

Reason:

Alternatively: riding_gear

Tack is the equipment used on horses (but would also apply to things like giant cats, emu, etc) that makes them easier and more comfortable to ride.

Tack includes:

• saddle

bridle
halter
reins

Bridles and Halters are very similar and are likely to be confused.

Also, harnesses, bits, martingales and breastplates, but those are not likely to be tagged, or tagged for other things.

A horse harness is basically the gear you put onto a horse to allow them to pull something.

A horse breastplate (or breastcollar or breathgirth) is basically another piece of tack that goes from saddle, across chest, and between legs like in post #1116158

Current recommendation seems to be:

bridle aliases to bridle/halter
halter aliases to bridle/halter
headcollar aliases to bridle/halter

bridle/halter implies riding_tack
saddle implies riding_tack
reins implies riding_tack

and possibly that horse_harness and horse_breastplate become tags, and also imply riding_tack. :)

Additionally, fashion saddle has been created and partly populated.

EDIT: The tag implication saddle -> riding_tack (forum #249586) has been rejected by @NotMeNotYou.

Bridles can also be bitless! The difference is function, not presence of a bit. Which yeah, will make it tricky to tag/distinguish the two unless we get some horse nerds who know the difference by sight to monitor those tags, and even then you have creative fantasy tack and illogical tack. Looking through the two tags, they seem to be tagged inconsistently and interchangeably.

Bits I think are useful to be tagged as they're also used in pony play/bdsm. Bit is actually already aliased to bit_gag.

Speaking of pony play and bdsm- I'm wondering if instances of these things being used as fetish tools should still be tagged as riding_tack?

regsmutt said:
Bridles can also be bitless! The difference is function, not presence of a bit. Which yeah, will make it tricky to tag/distinguish the two unless we get some horse nerds who know the difference by sight to monitor those tags,

I am not a horse nerd XD I skimmed wikipedia. :D

and even then you have creative fantasy tack and illogical tack.

I'm not a horse nerd, and this post gives me anxiety.

post #360145

Looking through the two tags, they seem to be tagged inconsistently and interchangeably.

Maybe the two should be aliased together? Save the trouble?

Bits I think are useful to be tagged as they're also used in pony play/bdsm. Bit is actually already aliased to bit_gag.

Harness is basically the same way. Only the definition of harness is basically "leather straps around parts of the body" rather than, y'know...

post #531996 post #1039987 post #127958

Holy shit lookit those bunnies.

Speaking of pony play and bdsm- I'm wondering if instances of these things being used as fetish tools should still be tagged as riding_tack?

Well... I don't see why not. For one: we *are* furries. :P for two, we don't really distinguish between a leash/collar on a puppy and a sexualised leash and collar, do we?

we have a petplay tag.. and puppyplay and ponyplay, though those are more about wearing specific *types* of bondage gear.

and are these being used as fetish tools, or is this just what the horses are wearing because they're horses?

post #1404176 post #1391215 post #1360037

SnowWolf said:
I'm not a horse nerd, and this post gives me anxiety.

post #360145

Oh man, this probably won't make it better, but that's actually a thing. I'm not sure if it has a more official name, but 'bridleless bit' will show you similar devices, only most of the irl ones have a chin strap instead of a noseband if they have an additional strap at all.

Maybe the two should be aliased together? Save the trouble?

Yeah, most likely an alias would be most helpful. While there's not a TON of posts tagged, it's still something that actually properly tagging will require more knowledge than I'd expect laypeople to have. An alternative would be a more strict definition (that would likely be technically inaccurate but oh well) like a bridle must have reins and/or a bit and/or be in use in a horse cart while a halter can't have a bit and may only be attached to a single leash or crossties.

Harness is basically the same way. Only the definition of harness is basically "leather straps around parts of the body" rather than, y'know...

post #531996 post #1039987 post #127958

Holy shit lookit those bunnies.

Well... I don't see why not. For one: we *are* furries. :P for two, we don't really distinguish between a leash/collar on a puppy and a sexualised leash and collar, do we?

we have a petplay tag.. and puppyplay and ponyplay, though those are more about wearing specific *types* of bondage gear.

and are these being used as fetish tools, or is this just what the horses are wearing because they're horses?

post #1404176 post #1391215 post #1360037

The difference with 'riding_tack' and leash/collar tags is that leash/collar tags don't imply something like pet_care or pet_equipment.

And yeah, there are plenty of images (most seem to come from mlp fandom or carousel tf guys) where the line of fetish gear and not fetish gear is blurred. Those particular images look to be pretty 'just what horses wear' stuff.

Things like this though are what I'm really questioning as fitting into 'riding tack/gear' tags:
post #1377070
It's not even really pony play or bdsm gear, it just looks like horse-themed clothes.

regsmutt said:
Oh man, this probably won't make it better, but that's actually a thing. I'm not sure if it has a more official name, but 'bridleless bit' will show you similar devices, only most of the irl ones have a chin strap instead of a noseband if they have an additional strap at all.

That is... actually pretty cool. :)

Though what REALLY sets me off about that picute is that... the rider's standing in a way that suggests she's really off balence. The stirrups are located so it looks like she should be standing like she is, but they're not, like, stationary. She looks like she'd be rocking and bobbing around a lot. Which means that most of her support is probably coming from the reins-- like, leaning back against them kind like she was water skiing or something.. And those reins are so tight looking, There has to be a LOT of weight pulling back against that critter's neck. It just looks liek a recipe for disaster. Like someone said 'Hey watch this!" XD

Yeah, most likely an alias would be most helpful. While there's not a TON of posts tagged, it's still something that actually properly tagging will require more knowledge than I'd expect laypeople to have. An alternative would be a more strict definition (that would likely be technically inaccurate but oh well) like a bridle must have reins and/or a bit and/or be in use in a horse cart while a halter can't have a bit and may only be attached to a single leash or crossties.

Brief aside. If a horse is tied to a fence post, is he bound? :)

And I don't think a more strict definition would help here, honestly. I doubt most people look up the "simple" tags that they use--after all, everyone 'knows' that a bridle is the thing that goes on the horse's head... so they won't check the definition, unless they know that there's another option, at which point, they probably already know the difference, haha.

As another thought, instead of aliasing halter to bridal (or the other way around)... what about aliasing halter AND bridal to another tag like... bridle/halter?

The difference with 'riding_tack' and leash/collar tags is that leash/collar tags don't imply something like pet_care or pet_equipment.

true, but leash/collar is what a doggo wears, just like horses wear bridles and saddles. :)

That said, is there a better phrase than riding_tack? I thought about riding_gear, but was afraid that people might think it means, like, riding crops, and like...

post #1083496 post #8817 AH! Hunting_pink <-- That stuff.

Horse_clothes? :D Nah. riding_equipment? Ideally it wouldn't be horse-exclusive though. A giant cat or dragon would probably wear very similar gear.

(I thought very briefly about wearing_tack before discarding it.)

And yeah, there are plenty of images (most seem to come from mlp fandom or carousel tf guys) where the line of fetish gear and not fetish gear is blurred. Those particular images look to be pretty 'just what horses wear' stuff.

Things like this though are what I'm really questioning as fitting into 'riding tack/gear' tags:
post #1377070
It's not even really pony play or bdsm gear, it just looks like horse-themed clothes.

Hmmm.. That's quite fair. Though the picture you linked I'd probably say is riding gear.

I dunno.,. hm.. Maybe something like fetish_saddle for stuff like this??

post #1325120 post #1273172

(I just found a picture of a pony wearing chaps AND a saddle. .... geeze)

But you're talking about stuff like...

post #508151 post #552672 post #380637

Where 'saddle' is basically an aspect of the fashion without having any riding-purpose.

*scratches head* maybe... fashion_saddle? or Fashionable_riding_tack? my_little_pony_fasion?

SnowWolf said:
That is... actually pretty cool. :)

Though what REALLY sets me off about that picute is that... the rider's standing in a way that suggests she's really off balence. The stirrups are located so it looks like she should be standing like she is, but they're not, like, stationary. She looks like she'd be rocking and bobbing around a lot. Which means that most of her support is probably coming from the reins-- like, leaning back against them kind like she was water skiing or something.. And those reins are so tight looking, There has to be a LOT of weight pulling back against that critter's neck. It just looks liek a recipe for disaster. Like someone said 'Hey watch this!" XD

From what little I know about bridles that pose would suck for that critter. At best it's going to be putting hella pressure on the teeth and lips. It's also going to be working on the roof of the mouth mostly. The more I look at the saddle and sirrups the weirder it looks to me. It's one of those pictures that's really pretty and well finished but if you look too long there's a lot you can pick apart.

Brief aside. If a horse is tied to a fence post, is he bound? :)

Hm... I'm not sure. I wouldn't think so. That's more-or-less the same as being leashed and generally bound doesn't seem to be tagged on leashed characters who aren't otherwise restrained.

And I don't think a more strict definition would help here, honestly. I doubt most people look up the "simple" tags that they use--after all, everyone 'knows' that a bridle is the thing that goes on the horse's head... so they won't check the definition, unless they know that there's another option, at which point, they probably already know the difference, haha.

As another thought, instead of aliasing halter to bridal (or the other way around)... what about aliasing halter AND bridal to another tag like... bridle/halter?

Smooshing them together would be the best option. Another term for halters is 'headcollar'. Which reminds me- halters/headcollars are used in non-riding contexts to lead various species around or hold them in place. I'm not finding many examples here, so it's probably some combination of not very common here and not tagged well. There are also the halter/bridle thingies in bondage that frequently have gags attached and aren't necessarily related to pet play or are otherwise intended to look like horse tack.

true, but leash/collar is what a doggo wears, just like horses wear bridles and saddles. :)

That said, is there a better phrase than riding_tack? I thought about riding_gear, but was afraid that people might think it means, like, riding crops, and like...

post #1083496 post #8817 AH! Hunting_pink <-- That stuff.

Horse_clothes? :D Nah. riding_equipment? Ideally it wouldn't be horse-exclusive though. A giant cat or dragon would probably wear very similar gear.

(I thought very briefly about wearing_tack before discarding it.)

I'm not really sure that there's a better term for it other than just 'tack' or something vague like 'animal_equipment/accessories/gear'. It'd be easy if it was just equines or restricted to one use, but nah, it's gotta be tricky.

Hmmm.. That's quite fair. Though the picture you linked I'd probably say is riding gear.

I dunno.,. hm.. Maybe something like fetish_saddle for stuff like this??

post #1325120 post #1273172

(I just found a picture of a pony wearing chaps AND a saddle. .... geeze)

But you're talking about stuff like...

post #508151 post #552672 post #380637

Where 'saddle' is basically an aspect of the fashion without having any riding-purpose.

*scratches head* maybe... fashion_saddle? or Fashionable_riding_tack? my_little_pony_fasion?

Pony saddle-dresses are weird. They remind me more of dog coats than saddles in both form and function. I'd almost argue that some of the more egregious examples (that fail my test of 'if you saw it on a dog would it still look like a saddle?') shouldn't be tagged saddle at all, but they're not really cluttering up the tag. I like the idea of fashion_saddle to distinguish them though. It's a specific and distinct enough thing that I could see people wanting to find it or avoid it.

Would you be able to distinguish the two by tacking on (hur) a -bondage?

I'm glad this is getting discussion though because this is stuff that's been tagged pretty poorly in the past.

Though I question the reliability of other users. People can't even be trusted to distinguish reins and leashes, so it would fall to the chosen few to keep watch over things like halter/bridle.

regsmutt said:
From what little I know about bridles that pose would suck for that critter. At best it's going to be putting hella pressure on the teeth and lips. It's also going to be working on the roof of the mouth mostly. The more I look at the saddle and sirrups the weirder it looks to me. It's one of those pictures that's really pretty and well finished but if you look too long there's a lot you can pick apart.

That's basically what I was thinking. Poor critter.

Those pictures drive me nuts. I've got a friend who loves to pick apart art they see. Ruined SO many pictures for me. It's pretty, though, at least. :)

Hm... I'm not sure. I wouldn't think so. That's more-or-less the same as being leashed and generally bound doesn't seem to be tagged on leashed characters who aren't otherwise restrained.

Well, the difference might be being tied to an object versus a person. I agree, though, probably not. Unless they were actually tying to get away, of course, and couldn't. :) It's ony of those places where TECHINCALLY, yes, but realistically, no.

Smooshing them together would be the best option. Another term for halters is 'headcollar'. Which reminds me- halters/headcollars are used in non-riding contexts to lead various species around or hold them in place. I'm not finding many examples here, so it's probably some combination of not very common here and not tagged well.

Headcollar sounds like a made up kinda word. I'm not sure it'd make a good tag, as a result. That said....

I'm looking at google image search and all of the headcollars on horses look like a bridal or halter of some sort. I mean, I can see that a bridle has a few extra straps, but halter looks just about the same.

That said, I do see them being equipped of dogs too! Hmm. I"m not sure what I would call that, if I just saw it on a picture... Bridle or halter's a possibility--it's not THAT different in design, after all. That said, a muzzle also comes to mind.

There are also the halter/bridle thingies in bondage that frequently have gags attached and aren't necessarily related to pet play or are otherwise intended to look like horse tack.

So I looked up muzzle_(object) and muzzled ... Yikes. those tags look like a mess. (for the record, muzzled implies muzzle_(object)

All that said, it's a tricky thing, especially as most people don't know jack about horses and horse accessories. My instinct says that there should probably be a tag like bridle_gag that works in conjunction with all of the ballgag, etc tags. not sure though. but something that you could search for riding_tack - bridle_gag if you really wanted. or, I guess -bound or -gagged or something.

I'm not really sure that there's a better term for it other than just 'tack' or something vague like 'animal_equipment/accessories/gear'. It'd be easy if it was just equines or restricted to one use, but nah, it's gotta be tricky.

doesn't it always? :)

I mean, I"m scratching my head and there's not a word I know of that can easily encompass "the stuff a mount wears for comfortable riding"...

Pony saddle-dresses are weird. They remind me more of dog coats than saddles in both form and function. I'd almost argue that some of the more egregious examples (that fail my test of 'if you saw it on a dog would it still look like a saddle?') shouldn't be tagged saddle at all, but they're not really cluttering up the tag. I like the idea of fashion_saddle to distinguish them though. It's a specific and distinct enough thing that I could see people wanting to find it or avoid it.

Well, if no one objects to fashion_saddle, maybe I'll bounce though and-- waitl, how are there only 303 mlp saddle posts? Huh. WEll, if no one objects, I'll do that sometime soon. I think they're pretty neat. :D

SnowWolf said:
Headcollar sounds like a made up kinda word. I'm not sure it'd make a good tag, as a result. That said....

I'm looking at google image search and all of the headcollars on horses look like a bridal or halter of some sort. I mean, I can see that a bridle has a few extra straps, but halter looks just about the same.

That said, I do see them being equipped of dogs too! Hmm. I"m not sure what I would call that, if I just saw it on a picture... Bridle or halter's a possibility--it's not THAT different in design, after all. That said, a muzzle also comes to mind.

Headcollar vs halter is kind of a regional thing from what I can tell. Both words refer to the same thing. And yeah, the difference between halter and bridle is purpose, so it's really difficult to tell from images, to the point that I feel a lot of artists will be using halter/bridle references interchangeably making any sort of distinction moot.

Halters used on dogs (also common on livestock) are just called halters out here in meatspace. Other specific names (gentle leader, halti) are just specific brands. Muzzle doesn't work because muzzles cover the mouth and/or bind it shut, halters don't. To be fair, this is something that there's a bit of misinformation/misunderstanding about. That same style of halter was obviously used as a reference in post #1388135, incorrectly, for a muzzle. There are quite a few hm... ineffective muzzle designs I'm seeing that are probably referencing halters. The context makes the intent clear, so I'm not sure it's worth correcting. Personally I find the idea of a furry using a halter as a muzzle and then discovering that's not how it works amusing.

So I looked up muzzle_(object) and muzzled ... Yikes. those tags look like a mess. (for the record, muzzled implies muzzle_(object)

Muzzy muzzling

I'm seeing...

Muzzles-to-prevent-biting
post #1404864 post #1402962 post #1298228 post #1240275 post #1412353

Snout-binding
post #1409019 post #1345545 post #1170069 post #1149022

Halters/headcollars/bridles
post #1413373 post #1197709 post #1389804 post #1077280

Gag-holders
post #1413281 post #1404254 post #1405207 post #1392476

and weird hybrids that might actually be one of the above, but I'm tired :P
post #1407854 post #1375163

...

I'm seeing harness_ball_gag that basically covers most of the gag-holders
muzzle_gag which says "A type of gag that is fastened around the head with buckles and straps, and covers the lower part of the face. It is so called because it resembles a muzzle used on animals, with a flexible pad which straps over the mouth, and sometimes also around the cheeks and chin." which seems to be 53 posts of assorted gags, muzzles, porches and patios.

as well as other bit_gag and ring_gag and ball_gags, of course.

Hmm..

Well... if something looks like a bridle and also has a ballgag attached, is it any less a bridle?

post #1043352

I mean.. if someone had a scarf used as a gag, we'd still tag it scarf. dildo_saddle is a thing.

All that said, it's a tricky thing, especially as most people don't know jack about horses and horse accessories. My instinct says that there should probably be a tag like bridle_gag that works in conjunction with all of the ballgag, etc tags. not sure though. but something that you could search for riding_tack - bridle_gag if you really wanted. or, I guess -bound or -gagged or something.

As said, I'm on-the-fence for changing 'tried to draw a muzzle but clearly reffed a halter' tags, but I'll be going through at some point to clean up the obvious mistags.

IMO I think 'halter gags' shouldn't be muzzles. They're structurally closer to halters than muzzles. Oh boy I just noticed the way they're tagged is... bad. We don't need multiple harness_(type)_gag tags. IMO they should all be aliased to halter_gag (I like this term better because that's what a 'facial harness' is actually called). Then you can get the same effect with halter_gag+(type)_gag.

The specifics of this topic don't interest me, but whatever you do, we should use a generic mount_gear tag to soak up all the posts featuring gear for rideable animals. Emphasis on riding, transport, or travel but not stuff like breeding. Something simple that less informed users can tag without worry for correctness. Implicate all the gear intended as mount_gear to it, at least where it makes sense. Whip wouldn't be implicated, but there's always a post #1331706. Doesn't matter if the gear is used in bdsm/roleplay situations as long as the catch-all tag is used for the right gear, like riding crops.

The tag would not be about finding outfitted mounts, just their gear. Fix it up and further categorize its contents once the tag is populated if a need is found.

regsmutt said:
Headcollar vs halter is kind of a regional thing from what I can tell. Both words refer to the same thing. And yeah, the difference between halter and bridle is purpose, so it's really difficult to tell from images, to the point that I feel a lot of artists will be using halter/bridle references interchangeably making any sort of distinction moot.

Halters used on dogs (also common on livestock) are just called halters out here in meatspace. Other specific names (gentle leader, halti) are just specific brands. Muzzle doesn't work because muzzles cover the mouth and/or bind it shut, halters don't. To be fair, this is something that there's a bit of misinformation/misunderstanding about. That same style of halter was obviously used as a reference in post #1388135, incorrectly, for a muzzle.

As someone who tends to go "man, what's the thing that they put on a horses's face called again?" then 2 hours later, is talking to you about snaffle bits and america/european rein grip stuff... I don't... get how people can do such lethargic research. People are weird. :)

So, I'm thinking:

• Halter aliased to bridle/halter

Bridal aliased to bridle/halter
Headcollar aliased to bridle/halter

Get all of those eggs in one basket before they roll away.

There are quite a few hm... ineffective muzzle designs I'm seeing that are probably referencing halters. The context makes the intent clear, so I'm not sure it's worth correcting. Personally I find the idea of a furry using a halter as a muzzle and then discovering that's not how it works amusing.

there are some that it's a bit more unclear on, I think but mostly, yeah. Of course it COULD be that they're modified designs of some sort and attached most tightly around their snout buuuuuut that's me trying to backfill logic into a hole dug by someone's lazy google.

As said, I'm on-the-fence for changing 'tried to draw a muzzle but clearly reffed a halter' tags, but I'll be going through at some point to clean up the obvious mistags.

Good man, thank you :) It seems like it'd be easier for you than for me, due to preexisting knowledge. :)

IMO I think 'halter gags' shouldn't be muzzles. They're structurally closer to halters than muzzles. Oh boy I just noticed the way they're tagged is... bad. We don't need multiple harness_(type)_gag tags. IMO they should all be aliased to halter_gag (I like this term better because that's what a 'facial harness' is actually called). Then you can get the same effect with halter_gag+(type)_gag.

I basically agree with this. I thought about trying to wade in there, but again--I don't know about this stuff. Hmm.. *adjusts the subject to let peopel know we are also talking about gags in here now.* ... or maybe we should start an additional thread? I dunno.

abadbird said:
The specifics of this topic don't interest me, but whatever you do, we should use a generic mount_gear tag to soak up all the posts featuring gear for rideable animals. Emphasis on riding, transport, or travel but not stuff like breeding. Something simple that less informed users can tag without worry for correctness. Implicate all the gear intended as mount_gear to it, at least where it makes sense. Whip wouldn't be implicated, but there's always a post #1331706. Doesn't matter if the gear is used in bdsm/roleplay situations as long as the catch-all tag is used for the right gear, like riding crops.

The tag would not be about finding outfitted mounts, just their gear. Fix it up and further categorize its contents once the tag is populated if a need is found.

I believe that's the general goal? riding_tack seems to be about the same as mount_gear. Am I misunderstanding? what you're saying seems to be about what I was saying...?

---
Also, I scampered through mlp saddle and through about 130ish posts into fashion_saddle -- Yay!

...should fashion_saddle imply saddle, and, thus, riding_tack? (or mount_gear or riding_gear or whatever?)

SnowWolf said:
Good man, thank you :) It seems like it'd be easier for you than for me, due to preexisting knowledge. :)

I basically agree with this. I thought about trying to wade in there, but again--I don't know about this stuff. Hmm.. *adjusts the subject to let peopel know we are also talking about gags in here now.* ... or maybe we should start an additional thread? I dunno.

Tagging I realized harness_ball_gag implies muzzle_(object) which is... Not ideal for cleaning up the muzzle tag, lmao. I went and made an additional thread with my halter/bit/gag/muzzle gripes.

regsmutt said:
Tagging I realized harness_ball_gag implies muzzle_(object) which is... Not ideal for cleaning up the muzzle tag, lmao. I went and made an additional thread with my halter/bit/gag/muzzle gripes.

post #220779

*exhales*

That is, in fact, very unideal, but possibly explains a lot c_c

yay progress, though :LD

SnowWolf said:
Am I misunderstanding?

More often than not, so far. You seem to force what I say into familiar concepts whereas I try to approach tag discussions and write posts from the broadest perspective I feel is correct. You are regularly taking what I say to mean ovely specific things when my intended meaning as written includes more things.

mount_gear was too specific and I used "mount" as a misnomer, which only demonstrates the issue and why laypeople will need an easy tag. I believe only a handful of people will find all these specific equipment names useful. "tack" is too specific, and I expect "riding tack" is an unfamiliar usage of "tack" for just about everyone. If I hadn't watched Star Trek: TNG (Picard liked horses), I wouldn't know it either. I think the majority uses these tags for "what's that thing called? [checks tag list] oh, okay [promptly forgets tag]" rather than "I want to see more of that [clicks tag]", but that's just a cynical assumption.

What I would want to see, probably, is an umbrella tag for all working animal gear, which should include that of riders since it's part and parcel. This is just me saying, "If you want to do this right, then you should probably..." If you just want to fix riding tack stuff, that's fine.

These "explanation" posts are exasperating. If I didn't care about this topic before... I'm done now.

abadbird said:
More often than not, so far. You seem to force what I say into familiar concepts whereas I try to approach tag discussions and write posts from the broadest perspective I feel is correct.

TL;DR, maybe we can expand this project out to include other working animal gear like falconry and police/working dog gear, though horse-related items seem the most common pn e621.

SnowWolf...you need to try and articulate yourself in a more concise manner. I would love to join in on these discussions, but I, and I’m sure many others, don’t want to read a short novel to do so. You should seriously consider keeping your posts to a few paragrphs at most.

Dyrone said:
SnowWolf...you need to try and articulate yourself in a more concise manner. I would love to join in on these discussions, but I, and I’m sure many others, don’t want to read a short novel to do so. You should seriously consider keeping your posts to a few paragrphs at most.

Honey.

My posts are long because I am addressing many points in one post. All that text up there is not just me waxing lyrical about why saddles are riding tack and should be tagged as much. c_c;

I'll admit that I can be long winded at points, but, I try to keep posts easily readable. (That is to say, not densely packed with impenetrable grandiloquent elocution. I just type like I talk, and try to keep sentence structure from getting too complicated, because that makes text hard to read.)

The one exception to this is the last post which was a direct reply to someone who seemed to think some of my actions were somehow hostile or malignant. If it makes you feel better, I'll close it up in a section tag. c_c

Nothing stops you from participating here. I can't control the fact that we're talking about a broad topic that involves a lot of words. :/ I can't control how many words you're willing to read.

SnowWolf said:
I can't control the fact that we're talking about a broad topic that involves a lot of words.

Oh hunnybuns...

I knew you were going to blame both the topic complexity and my reading attention span, but in reality it doesn’t seem to matter how complex the topic is you always type way too much. Has any of your aliasing suggestions ever been approved? Probably not, because you don’t keep things simple. I’m trying to help you be more productive sweetiepie.

Dyrone said:
Oh hunnybuns...

I knew you were going to blame both the topic complexity and my reading attention span, but in reality it doesn’t seem to matter how complex the topic is you always type way too much.

Thank you. It's very kind of you to try and help me. I appreciate that. You are trying to be helpful and that's very sweet of you. Thank you.

I will not reply to the first part of your post, because it's not going to go anywhere pleasant, so let's just stop. I"m sorry you're upset with me and that's not my intention. Everyone has a limit to how much they're willing to read, and that's okay. I've always been willing to read a lot.

Has any of your aliasing suggestions ever been approved? Probably not, because you don’t keep things simple. I’m trying to help you be more productive sweetiepie.

well... I had one approved 4 days ago. I think there have been 3 approvals in the last 5 weeks, so I will take that as a triumph, small as it is. There are not a lot of approvals going on right now, because it's the holidays and everyone is very busy.

...On a more broad scale, perhaps you'd like to have a look at the aliases and implications ?

I've actually only started 11 (plus the one that was approved) alias/implication threads over the last month or so. I've started many more discussions about tags and large groups of tags, generally to the point of "how should we tag these?" or "These tags are redundant, how shall we fix them?" These do tend to be rather wordy, and I'm sorry for that, but I find it better to present all the information I have at the beginning than to leak it out slowly when asked.

I'm sorry that I make long posts, I really am. But sometimes, long posts are needed. I'm sorry that they're too long for your comfort. I will try to minimize future length, but it's hard to change years of habit.

Now I'm confusing myself on the Sylvia images (Wander over Yonder). I'm looking at reins/harness/leash/collar overlap. I'll probably have to retag the harness ones with reins and collar? Beware: Some DO have actual bondage-style harnesses that go around the body. Figured I'd mention it here, as searching for these tags led me to this related set of tags. I figured we'd get clarity on the entire group of 'horsey' tags. Thanks!

The tag implication saddle -> riding_tack (forum #249586) has been rejected by @NotMeNotYou.