there over 14,000 posts with this tag and it growing each day. it no surprise since it getting really big there going to be branching out into more sophisticated fetishes like well known gender_transformation and goo transformation. then we have not well know ones (that no one create a wiki for) appearing out of nowhere like sex_toy_transformation robotization takeover,

I wanted to create this forum to at least attempt to dicusss/organize what should stay, go,implicated,aliased, created, invalided etc. since those tags were just a few I stumble on, who know if their more not included on the transformation wiki list.

Sex toy tf should get sorted (there are some things like costumes, hypnosis, and fucked_silly in that tag) then aliased to inanimate_transformation (I don't believe that there's only 40-ish images of that here, seems to be undertagged), or at least implicated. Takeover is interesting, I can see a distinct theme/genre going on there, but it looks like a lot of stuff that's just tagged 'transformation'. For what it's worth, I think it's specific and unique enough to keep around, as long as it can get tagged well and used consistently.

Okay, as I was saying in the other thread:

Until recently, transformation used to be just a giant pile of unsorted posts. All of the *_to_* tags (and several other subtags) are relatively new, which explains why those aren't widely tagged yet.

There's a lot of other things that could be tagged.

I had been thinking of adding a subtag for self_transformation, that'd cover posts where a character transforms self by choice, regardless of how it's done (magic, science, etc). But voluntary_transformation sounds like it might work too, since many transformations are accidental.

Speaking of magic and science, those could be potential subtags: magical_transformation, etc. Even though the cause of transformation is often unknown.

While back, I tried to make a new umbrella subtag for size transformation, size_transformation. But I found surprisingly few posts that clearly fit in that category. Might not be worth keeping.

The various *_growth and *_expansion tags could use a good look. Some wiki entries make it sound like *_growth is for growing new body parts (such as breasts, or a tail). but most of it is just existing parts that are growing in size. And the base growth tag is a mess.

Maybe those could be neatly split into two:
- growth and *_growth for growing new body parts,
- expansion and *_expansion for existing parts that are growing in size?

Alias post_transformation to after_transformation for consistency with after_*? Has been on my radar since I found it.

rakisha has some eclectic goo/rubber and cybernetics variants. Part of their motif. I had added goo_transformation to some of those a while back.

I expect you'll find more tags and concepts relevant to this fetish-sphere digging through their posts. Two I saw recently: symbiote and liquid_latex. Edit: Lest we forget corruption.

There's probably a side-discussion for mind_control vs takeover, possession, assimilation, and probably some others. Related, but unrelated to transformation, are body_control, puppeteer...

Been seeing people tagging bimbofication but can't tell if it a transformation tag or something similar to crossgender ( in terms of being a alternative version of a character).

though I do recall bimbo being invalidated because apparently it was subjective. But in my opinion any character with too much makeup,focus on sex and has a voluptuous body is one in my book

supermarcopolo said:
Been seeing people tagging bimbofication but can't tell if it a transformation tag or something similar to crossgender ( in terms of being a alternative version of a character).

though I do recall bimbo being invalidated because apparently it was subjective. But in my opinion any character with too much makeup,focus on sex and has a voluptuous body is one in my book

Well if bimbo is a subjective tag, then bimboification should also be considered a subjective tag. But I do believe that's for another post. There isn't any written up stuff about it either so I can also why it was overlooked.

It seems like bimbofication describes over-exaggerated femininity, which can be a byproduct or goal of a transformation. For example, if a character gains makeup, heels, a tight skirt, and much thickness from a transformation, then they have probably been "bimbofied".

For posts with no evidence of transformation, bimbofication seems to strongly suggest alternate_form, meaning the "normal" version of a known character was "bimbofied". A character portrayed in a "bimbo form" with no known "normal form" could be tagged bimbofication if they exhibit the mentioned "over-exaggerated femininity", matching their overall appearance to the understood "bimbo theme". That second use basically pretends bimbo was never invalidated. bimbo 2.0.

I found another obscure one looking at those posts: stepfordization. Roughly, art reinforcing older gender stereotypes, especially the American housewife of the '60s. Someone made a tumblr for this demonstrating some other potential stereotypes.

Of course, both tags lay on an accusatory stigma of misogyny/sexism, but is it the tags or the art that are problematic? Similar to tagging racism, IMO, where the tag calls out the art. Can of worms where not everyone will agree with every labeling.

There's an important comment on transformation buried in there: alternate_form should not describe transformation. Either/or tags. If there's no evidence of transformation, use alternate_form instead.

supermarcopolo said:
Been seeing people tagging bimbofication but can't tell if it a transformation tag or something similar to crossgender ( in terms of being a alternative version of a character).

though I do recall bimbo being invalidated because apparently it was subjective. But in my opinion any character with too much makeup,focus on sex and has a voluptuous body is one in my book

Personally, I find 'bimbofication' to be a rather infuriating concept. A woman can enjoy sex, makeup and be pretty while also being intelligent... whereas the definition of bimbo basically says "this character/person is stupid"... it's a tag on part with 'slut'. A slut can, of course, be defined as a prostitute.... but more frequently, it's used to degrade women who enjoy sex. Which isn't cool, yeah? bimbo's kinda the same thing.

That said, I recognize that 'bimbofication' is absolutly a thing and a fetish some people have and that is okay. Sexual arousal's a weird thing.

I'd venture that bimbofication might be some form of mind control, hypnosis or mental_transformation

abadbird said:
I found another obscure one looking at those posts: stepfordization. Roughly, art reinforcing older gender stereotypes, especially the American housewife of the '60s. Someone made a tumblr for this demonstrating some other potential stereotypes.

Nice tag find! It's definetly in the same ballpark, but not quite the same thing. I would almost argue that some of the posts there should be tagged something like 50's_housewife or stereotypical_housewife or something and mind_control etc. The costume's definitely an appeal.

Of course, both tags lay on an accusatory stigma of misogyny/sexism, but is it the tags or the art that are problematic? Similar to tagging racism, IMO, where the tag calls out the art. Can of worms where not everyone will agree with every labeling.

it's a bit of both. I'm not sure we need a misogyny tag perse for stepford/50's housewife stuff, especially as if we started tagging stuff as being sexist, well, we'd be here all day. on both sides of the fence. Beefy mcLargeHuge is as sexist as Boobs mcTitterson.

Baring, of course, particularly eggrarious posts where the sexism/misogyny is flagent and painful-- y'know "bitches only have one purpose" type posts. but then, that's basically any of the pictures where a character is bound up with 'cum dump' and arrows and "customers served" body writing, or any mind of breast miliking/breeding posts etc etc etc.

as a female, you jsut kinda accept that porn's sexist, in a lot of cases, and sometimes it's infuriating and sometimes it's hot.

abadbird said:

Of course, both tags lay on an accusatory stigma of misogyny/sexism, but is it the tags or the art that are problematic? Similar to tagging racism, IMO, where the tag calls out the art. Can of worms where not everyone will agree with every labeling.

'Bimbofication' is a term that's used within the community to describe that specific genre of transformation. It's not accusatory, it's just what people call their fetish.

regsmutt said:
'Bimbofication' is a term that's used within the community to describe that specific genre of transformation. It's not accusatory, it's just what people call their fetish.

Yup, this. Just a term for transformation where a character has their body, and often their mind changed to something akin to a stereotypical bimbo. Big lips, big fake tits, slutty clothing, blonde hair.

If the mind is also transformed the character usually picks up a valley-girl-ish accent. I.e lots of "like" or "oh my god/gosh". There's not really any stigma or negative stereotype around it since it's just an exaggerated fictional stereotype based on ditzy Hollywood chicks of the real world.

I remembered an another rare type of transformation that should probably have its own subtag: age changes.

Age_progression is mostly time-lapse sequences, instead of actual transformations. Aged_up is just characters who are drawn older than normal.

There seems to be no way to search for posts where a character is actually becoming older or younger. Could tag those as age_transformation, I suppose?

I read this recently:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/krishrach/this-sexist-cartoon-everyone-is-freaking-out-about-is-actual

Genjar said:
I remembered an another rare type of transformation that should probably have its own subtag: age changes.

Age_progression is mostly time-lapse sequences, instead of actual transformations. Aged_up is just characters who are drawn older than normal.

There seems to be no way to search for posts where a character is actually becoming older or younger. Could tag those as age_transformation, I suppose?

There's kinda age_regression, but I like the idea of age_transformation a lot. :)

Also, regarding bimbofication, perhaps some term like 'bimbo_transformation' or "extreme_gender_transformation"? which could also cover, like, "turning a male into a beefcake lumberjack" or something like that. Sexy_transformation?

Wondering about correct tagging for a character that changes gender (according to the emotional state of the character).

Originally female, (named Leila_Snowpaw) {sometimes shortened below to just Leila}
the character can change to herm form (also named Leila_Snowpaw)
and into male form (named Leiland_Snowpaw), {sometimes shortened below to just Leiland}
and back to female form.

Specifically wondering what tagging should be when character is in male form.

Of the 15 uploads of leiland_snowpaw:
1) 2 uploads tagged as Leiland, but not Leila leiland_snowpaw -leila_snowpaw : both show Leiland and NOT Leila
2) 13 uploads tagged with BOTH tags leila_snowpaw leiland_snowpaw . Only post #722874 shows both Leila and Leiland. (the rest show Leiland and NOT Leila)

Just tag them with leiland_snowpaw, and male withOUT a Leila tag ... and have Leiland wiki page link to leila_snowpaw?

By the way
a) ref sheet of Leiland (male) http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17511607/
b) 74 uploads tagged as leila_snowpaw
c) FROM https://www.furaffinity.net/view/17511591/
titled "Leila Reference Sheet [Female Version]"
"Her transformative nature was onset by testing a newly developed serum ...
the results she was looking for did not come to fruition, instead leaving her gender attached directly to her emotional state"

EDIT: to clarify, none of the Leiland art currently at e621 show transforming from one gender to another (so gender_transformation probably wouldn't be appropriate for those images) ... would crossgender be appropriate tag for when character is in Leiland (ie. male) form?

EarthFurst2 said:
Wondering about correct tagging for a character that changes gender (according to the emotional state of the character).

Originally female, (named Leila_Snowpaw) {sometimes shortened below to just Leila}
the character can change to herm form (also named Leila_Snowpaw)
and into male form (named Leiland_Snowpaw), {sometimes shortened below to just Leiland}
and back to female form.

Specifically wondering what tagging should be when character is in male form.

Of the 15 uploads of leiland_snowpaw:
1) 2 uploads tagged as Leiland, but not Leila leiland_snowpaw -leila_snowpaw : both show Leiland and NOT Leila
2) 13 uploads tagged with BOTH tags leila_snowpaw leiland_snowpaw . Only post #722874 shows both Leila and Leiland. (the rest show Leiland and NOT Leila)

Just tag them with leiland_snowpaw, and male withOUT a Leila tag ... and have Leiland wiki page link to leila_snowpaw?

By the way
a) ref sheet of Leiland (male) http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17511607/
b) 74 uploads tagged as leila_snowpaw
c) FROM https://www.furaffinity.net/view/17511591/
titled "Leila Reference Sheet [Female Version]"
"Her transformative nature was onset by testing a newly developed serum ...
the results she was looking for did not come to fruition, instead leaving her gender attached directly to her emotional state"

EDIT: to clarify, none of the Leiland art currently at e621 show transforming from one gender to another (so gender_transformation probably wouldn't be appropriate for those images) ... would crossgender be appropriate tag for when character is in Leiland (ie. male) form?

I would believe a alter_ego tag would be better suited to the task. though right now it only has 9 post at the moment. I would also tag crossgender if that character has a default gender I can reference to.

EarthFurst2 said:
Wondering about correct tagging for a character that changes gender (according to the emotional state of the character).

Originally female, (named Leila_Snowpaw) {sometimes shortened below to just Leila}
the character can change to herm form (also named Leila_Snowpaw)
and into male form (named Leiland_Snowpaw), {sometimes shortened below to just Leiland}
and back to female form.

....man. How do we feel about, like...

• Leila_or_Leiland_Snowpaw?
• L_Snowpaw?

Hm, those are probably a bad idea, but maybe Leila_Snowpaw and leiland_Snowpaw could imply L_snowpaw or whatever...? that way L._snowpaw's for both, while you can use the named tag to find the appropriately_gendered character.

It's a pretty valid question over all though-- I'm kinda surprised there aren't more characters like that honestly, though I guess Ranma 1/2... pretty.. pretty old these days.