Topic: PSA: The Death of Flash/SWF and e621

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Batabii_

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I've tried multiple programs and websites, and I can't get any of them to work, and this thread is full of outdated and cluttered replies. Isn't there an easier way to do this?

TheGreatWolfgang

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batabii_ said:
I've tried multiple programs and websites, and I can't get any of them to work, and this thread is full of outdated and cluttered replies. Isn't there an easier way to do this?

Abandon any hopes of running Flash on your browser, current options are either non-existent for the website (i.e., e621) or not fully compatible with all games (i.e., Ruffle for FurAffinity, Newgrounds, etc.).

Download the standalone Flash Player from the link above your comment, choose to Download the Flash Player projector of your OS, then run the .swf files you have downloaded locally.

Batabii_

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thegreatwolfgang said:
Abandon any hopes of running Flash on your browser, current options are either non-existent for the website (i.e., e621) or not fully compatible with all games (i.e., Ruffle for FurAffinity, Newgrounds, etc.).

Download the standalone Flash Player from the link above your comment, choose to Download the Flash Player projector of your OS, then run the .swf files you have downloaded locally.

I don't need it in a browser, I want a desktop program that doesn't require archive.org

TheGreatWolfgang

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batabii_ said:
I don't need it in a browser, I want a desktop program that doesn't require archive.org

As far as I know, archive.org is the only place where you can still get the official standalone Adobe Flash Player projector program for your desktop, without having to rely on downloads from sketchy third-party sites.

alphamule

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Surprised more people aren't just using/recommending a virtualized OS (and ONLY for the games already uploaded - bah, don't get malware). There are some lightweight Linux VMs that would run most Flash games... in obsolete browser. XD Programs like VMWare seem to treat the virtualized network interface as if connecting to a gateway ala NAT, by default, so you can even use your main OS's firewall features to limit the ports the guest OS can access.

Of course, many people don't even know how to install software ("standalone desktop" doesn't need archive.org once you download it) so not sure either of the main methods (VM/standalone player) is more irritating to them. I guess this is a "TIL" moment where you have to grind XP like one of the Flash RPGs to get good. Think of it as an IRL porn quest. ;)

Securitywise, I think I mentioned it before, but at least VMs will get updates. Even if the Flash you ran in that limited machine is infected, hopefully the VM itself will get security updates. But that's on faith.

:edit:

Actually, thinking of downloading an installer as a fetch quest is pretty cute. Actually installing it is like crafting. You just follow the recipe to get your porn player working.

user 715678

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notmenotyou said:

Finding your save files from browsers and migrate them to the standalone flash player projector:

Important information for all instructions: Flash Player saves everything in .sol files in a cached directory, if you follow the instructions below any reference to "save files" means these .sol files.

how can i tell if a game will create save files?

alphamule

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boops4life said:
how can i tell if a game will create save files?

Besides rather the game has a save feature, you can find them per-site if I remember right. Like, localhost is same as the current machine's browser (well, if ancient version that still allows that) running file://PATH/FILENAME.EXTENSION URL.

Some of the better-written games let you export the save to a text file.

zeldiao

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I tested a few non interactive swf's out of curiosity. vlc played them and could convert to webm (CTRL-R / Media->Convert). ffplay (from ffmpeg package) played them and ffmpeg could convert to gif. Maybe this is useful to anyone wanting to just view and convert loops.

Sileaa

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So, since Flash is no longer supported for a while now, maybe we can see keyboard shortcuts not being disabled for such pages?

3dmodell

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Ruffle is currently in development. Sometime that should be able to replace the flash player.

Runninge621Rules

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Flash is not supported, but are apps still being created (or not)? e621 was a nice aggregator, but now nothing is uploaded here.

bisexualwolfsona

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notmenotyou said:

Finding your save files from browsers and migrate them to the standalone flash player projector:

Important information for all instructions: Flash Player saves everything in .sol files in a cached directory, if you follow the instructions below any reference to "save files" means these .sol files.

You can also use the newgrounds player at https://www.newgrounds.com/flash/player

FumikageTokoyami

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notmenotyou said:
Since we've been getting quite a few threads about this topic, and there likely will be more in the future yet, we've decided we'd make this PSA/heads up to hopefully answer all questions before they crop up.

TL;DR: Nothing will change for any already existing files, we will be keeping those around indefinitely. What will change is that we will no longer be accepting new flash files after January 2021. However in order to view flash files in the future you will likely need to download a standalone flash player projector and play the games/videos locally.

Long Answer: The death of flash is purely related to both the browser plugins as well as the continued development of the creator programs. The end user can still download the older versions just fine and use them locally, there just won't be any new updates to either of those. Since the Adobe Flash Player parts are compliant with Windows 10 they will likely continue to work natively on Windows for a decade or two at least.

The debug page no longer works and redirects to the "End of Life" support page.

VirginiaW

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I was wondering if anyone knew a way to speed up the process of saving the file and opening it in flash player.

Like maybe some kind of applet for browsers where if you right click on a SWF link it gives an option to "download and open in flash player" ?

Aeroyoom

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I was on e621 for a year after flash's death, does it actually say that is a flash animation or something? If i want to play those, I wouldnt know beacause the thumbnail is nothing. Can you do a mark thing like animated and webm?

darryus

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aghhhhhhhhhh_simp said:
I was on e621 for a year after flash's death, does it actually say that is a flash animation or something? If i want to play those, I wouldnt know beacause the thumbnail is nothing. Can you do a mark thing like animated and webm?

I think what you're asking is if there's any way to have flash posts have a proper thumbnail, the answer is mostly "no", the only way to know what a flash post contains is a) looking at the tags b) downloading and viewing the file.

Watsit

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aghhhhhhhhhh_simp said:
I was on e621 for a year after flash's death, does it actually say that is a flash animation or something? If i want to play those, I wouldnt know beacause the thumbnail is nothing. Can you do a mark thing like animated and webm?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking. If you mean having the post's thumbnail show a still image of the flash (similar to how webm and gif animations show a small frame of the animation), then no. However, if you mean when viewing a post, have it show a thumbnail saying "Flash" or something, I'd think that would be doable. It does something similar for blacklisted posts (if you go to a post you have blacklisted, it shows a small white box with the word Blacklisted on it. Though maybe they wouldn't want to do that if it could interfere with alternate methods of handling flash content that someone may find.

abadbird

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I've been using Clean Flash Player to play flash files. Install, then open flash files in MPC-BE.

Clean Flash Player is a distribution of Adobe Flash Player, with the mission of keeping the original Flash Player alive for compatibility and ease of use.

The original Flash Player was discontinued on January 12th, 2021. Adobe is committed to keeping Flash Player alive in the Chinese region, however, by providing official monthly updates to Flash Player in China.

Clean Flash Player uses a modified version of this updated Flash Player version, keeping Flash Player clean from adware.

AlexYorim

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Seems Ruffle has expanded their AS3 support significantly. I remember it was 25% on Language support earlier this year; now it's 60%. It was 5% at first for API support, now it's 25%.
Seems it's getting there a bit.

A-very-dumb-gay-wolf

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That's nice, but is everyone who doesn't have a computer fucked? How do I run flash files on my Android? Google play doesn't have anything notable or even working. Preferably a APK would be great.

LLoxie

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I figure this thread seems like the most appropriate place to ask this, forgive me if not. I happen to have a saved swf file for an old flash animation from an artist whose other animations are on the site, but this one isn't. I kind of want to upload it, but I know you can't do new flash uploads. Does anyone know of a good converter I can use, and would a converted version be acceptable on its own without the original flash to parent it to? I found one decent converter already but unfortunately it puts a stupid logo in the corner, so I don't think that'll work.

m3g4p0n1

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lloxie said:
I figure this thread seems like the most appropriate place to ask this, forgive me if not. I happen to have a saved swf file for an old flash animation from an artist whose other animations are on the site, but this one isn't. I kind of want to upload it, but I know you can't do new flash uploads. Does anyone know of a good converter I can use, and would a converted version be acceptable on its own without the original flash to parent it to? I found one decent converter already but unfortunately it puts a stupid logo in the corner, so I don't think that'll work.

You can record it with OBS studio, it's a free screen recording software.

I do hope old flash content that hasn't been upload yet are allowed exceptions though.

LLoxie

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m3g4p0n1 said:
You can record it with OBS studio, it's a free screen recording software.

I do hope old flash content that hasn't been upload yet are allowed exceptions though.

Was hoping for a proper conversion tool, but I suppose that might work. But yeah, not I gotta wait on the rules judgement about it, heh.

Basili01

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fifteen said:
Yes, I made a note of it in my above post describing what the january 12 killswitch entailed (forum #302104, above). Flash player only checks for the system date, so if you roll it back, it will keep working. That won't work forever, though, since browsers also use the system date to vetify if security certificates are expired or not, and a number of websites will stop loading once your system date and the real date drift far appart enough. Windows, Mac and Linux also use the system date when manipulating files and system logs, and manipulating that date could have a variety of unintended consequences in the long term.

What's more, Firefox 85 (due to release on January 21st) and Chrome 88 (due to release on January 19) will both remove support for the Flash player plugin, so unless you also stop updating your browser (which I would heavily advise against), Flash Player will no longer work on any browser by next week.

Really, if you need Flash, just use the Flash Projector/Standalone debugger instead.

You can't, not anymore, I'm afraid. My Flash projector has an address bar, so you can just paste the e6 download link in there and it will play without having to download it, but as the weeks go by, your options for keeping Flash working in the browser will keep dwindling until everyone stops using it.

gattonero2001

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m3g4p0n1 said:
You can record it with OBS studio, it's a free screen recording software.

Screen recordings are against the uploading guidelines >:(

lloxie said:
Was hoping for a proper conversion tool, but I suppose that might work. But yeah, not I gotta wait on the rules judgement about it, heh.

Some open source tools that might be useful:

Tampa

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Both Waterfox versions as of writing still happily run https://archive.org/details/flash-player-32.0.465 or other non-timebombed flash versions. By default there is a hard disable on it so you need to whitelist it from running between browsing sessions, but it does still work just fine. I tend to download them whenever I stumble across something I like and run it locally though since that usually runs faster too.

eas ALORT

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notmenotyou said:
Since we've been getting quite a few threads about this topic, and there likely will be more in the future yet, we've decided we'd make this PSA/heads up to hopefully answer all questions before they crop up.

TL;DR: Nothing will change for any already existing files, we will be keeping those around indefinitely. What will change is that we will no longer be accepting new flash files after January 2021. However in order to view flash files in the future you will likely need to download a standalone flash player projector and play the games/videos locally.

Long Answer: The death of flash is purely related to both the browser plugins as well as the continued development of the creator programs. The end user can still download the older versions just fine and use them locally, there just won't be any new updates to either of those. Since the Adobe Flash Player parts are compliant with Windows 10 they will likely continue to work natively on Windows for a decade or two at least.

the standalone flash player projector is dead

MetalicSoul

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Hate to say it but any flash player I tried to use don't work, the newgrounds one don't seem to do anything on here and ruffle still is the main on the newgrounds website. Also to note there is something wrong with the stand alone as it don't work as well.

GarbageHumanBeing

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metalicsoul said:
Hate to say it but any flash player I tried to use don't work, the newgrounds one don't seem to do anything on here and ruffle still is the main on the newgrounds website. Also to note there is something wrong with the stand alone as it don't work as well.

I've found that it's quite reliable to use Firefox 56 and the last flash version before it was disabled from running. As long as you don't let it update you can run it right in the browser like before, and that version of the browser has no complaints about it.

Mairo

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gattonero2001 said:
Some open source tools that might be useful:

Swivel is golden standard, even if not updated for a while.
Main issues are that lossless AVI capture crashes if recording audio as well and needs to specify -C:v rawvideo -i <filename> in FFmpeg for it to actually work, other formats in that software are lossy and WebM is capped to VP8 encoding.
So if you just want h264 for personal consumption it's pretty easy, for proper conversion it still works but requires some extra work.

JPEXS is extremely useful when flash is basically just FLV, MP3 and JPG files which to decompile out as is.

garbagehumanbeing said:
I've found that it's quite reliable to use Firefox 56 and the last flash version before it was disabled from running. As long as you don't let it update you can run it right in the browser like before, and that version of the browser has no complaints about it.

If you are doing this on offline machine on known flash files it should be fine, but it is still extremely stupid unless you specifically need the whole HTML page with SWF embedded for some specific reason.

SexyGayDragon

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a-very-dumb-gay-wolf said:
That's nice, but is everyone who doesn't have a computer fucked? How do I run flash files on my Android? Google play doesn't have anything notable or even working. Preferably a APK would be great.

I don't know if android gets it but use Puffin web browser. I use that to view flash on my ipad. Though sites that use ruffle work quite well with an ipad. I prefer puffin though as it has a touch pad cursor which makes it far easier to play games so my finger doesn't obscure anything.

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Tirsiak Ingolf

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This PSA is more complex than it honestly needs to be.

Simply download RUFFLE Flash Emulator onto your PC, make sure it's the latest version stored under DOWNLOADS, and download the SWF or right click download; if done right you will be taken to the SWF and it will work correctly.
This isn't the death of flash.
While Adobe may of pulled the trigger, RUFFLE is the team of mad scientists reviving flash.
This also means I think flash posts should be allowed again. We're dealing with a half dead horse being brought back to life slowly basically.

Magikarp

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notmenotyou said:
download link that no longer exists

The page for the flash projector no longer exists, can this be edited so that it's either the Wayback Machine version of the same page (I verified that the download links still work) or just replace it with flashpoint (which uses adobe flash projector anyways and has a folder with multiple versions of it).

The former link would be an easy and permanent barring wayback machine being taken down and the rest of the guide would still be useful.

tirsiak_ingolf said:
Ruffle

I like the direction of ruffle and the embedding in browser is nice, but imo its compatibility is subpar and I've had to open whatever file I have with projector anyways.

I just download and open stuff that I want to play, it's already easier than itch.io unity games which are seldom below half a gigabyte and I usually have to unzip them too.

mcgiwer

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notmenotyou said:
Long Answer: The death of flash is purely related to both the browser plugins as well as the continued development of the creator programs. The end user can still download the older versions just fine and use them locally, there just won't be any new updates to either of those. Since the Adobe Flash Player parts are compliant with Windows 10 they will likely continue to work natively on Windows for a decade or two at least.

Wouldn't be easier to implement on website an embeded player that could take over the role that user won't be needing to install anything?

Side note: The given solution is only for Windows users and nothing here is about for the users of (for example) Linux.

Could I kindly ask if the administration of e621 could add such informations as well? thanks

omnicons

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mcgiwer said:
Wouldn't be easier to implement on website an embeded player that could take over the role that user won't be needing to install anything?

Side note: The given solution is only for Windows users and nothing here is about for the users of (for example) Linux.

Could I kindly ask if the administration of e621 could add such informations as well? thanks

For posterity's sake and something searchable:

The Internet Archive has a download available of the Adobe Flash Projector that is a Linux executable binary located here: https://archive.org/details/flashplayer32_0r0_363_win_sa

The information about the build is on that page and it's what I've been using for anything I've needed since everything went down. Instructions are pretty simple,

Download the tar.gz (Labeled GZIP)
Unpack it: $ tar -xf flashplayer32_0r0_363_linux_sa.x86_64.tar.gz flashplayer
Make it executable: $ chmod +x flashplayer
Run it: $ ./flashplayer

From there it's just the standard Flash Projector you'd have on other platforms. I use it to play modded CoC stuff and it seems to work fine.

Your mileage may vary, I have used this over the years on macOS, Ubuntu 20.04 and my current Arch laptop without issue, and I've noticed since the updates to Mesa the projector loads a little slowly recently but I've got a fairly non-standard graphics setup.

user 886202

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notmenotyou said:
Since we've been getting quite a few threads about this topic, and there likely will be more in the future yet, we've decided we'd make this PSA/heads up to hopefully answer all questions before they crop up.

TL;DR: Nothing will change for any already existing files, we will be keeping those around indefinitely. What will change is that we will no longer be accepting new flash files after January 2021. However in order to view flash files in the future you will likely need to download a standalone flash player projector and play the games/videos locally.

Long Answer: The death of flash is purely related to both the browser plugins as well as the continued development of the creator programs. The end user can still download the older versions just fine and use them locally, there just won't be any new updates to either of those. Since the Adobe Flash Player parts are compliant with Windows 10 they will likely continue to work natively on Windows for a decade or two at least.

i just was able to install flash on even windows 11 and block the timebomb and use a browser that still supports flash, flash is not truly dead since it is supported by the community.
link to the tutorial:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashPlayerForever/comments/kp69ix/how_to_use_flash_player_after_january_12_2021/
a software only dies of everyone leave it. this is why a 2001 game called "command and conquer renegade" is still around with online multiplayer and all other stuff. community support many times is better than official support

user 886202

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omnicons said:
For posterity's sake and something searchable:

The Internet Archive has a download available of the Adobe Flash Projector that is a Linux executable binary located here: https://archive.org/details/flashplayer32_0r0_363_win_sa

The information about the build is on that page and it's what I've been using for anything I've needed since everything went down. Instructions are pretty simple,

Download the tar.gz (Labeled GZIP)
Unpack it: $ tar -xf flashplayer32_0r0_363_linux_sa.x86_64.tar.gz flashplayer
Make it executable: $ chmod +x flashplayer
Run it: $ ./flashplayer

From there it's just the standard Flash Projector you'd have on other platforms. I use it to play modded CoC stuff and it seems to work fine.

Your mileage may vary, I have used this over the years on macOS, Ubuntu 20.04 and my current Arch laptop without issue, and I've noticed since the updates to Mesa the projector loads a little slowly recently but I've got a fairly non-standard graphics setup.

linux user here aswell and i agree with this solution, for windows there a solution aswell.. FLASH NEVER DIES WOOOOO

Idel

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Download Puffin Browser, it's the only browser that still has flash on it

Bonk 2025

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notmenotyou said:
Since we've been getting quite a few threads about this topic, and there likely will be more in the future yet, we've decided we'd make this PSA/heads up to hopefully answer all questions before they crop up.

TL;DR: Nothing will change for any already existing files, we will be keeping those around indefinitely. What will change is that we will no longer be accepting new flash files after January 2021. However in order to view flash files in the future you will likely need to download a standalone flash player projector and play the games/videos locally.

Long Answer: The death of flash is purely related to both the browser plugins as well as the continued development of the creator programs. The end user can still download the older versions just fine and use them locally, there just won't be any new updates to either of those. Since the Adobe Flash Player parts are compliant with Windows 10 they will likely continue to work natively on Windows for a decade or two at least.

it's not available at that link anymore and every time i try to use the flash player from a different source (same flash player mind you) it crashes the moment i try to open a link in it. furthermore there was no "open with" option when i right clicked the flash.

VulpesLasLunes

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so i downloaded the flash version from newgrounds back in 2021, latest version at the time and still is and within the last few days it just stopped working all together. i can load some files but it never gets beyond automatically resizing the flash player app. anyone else finding this sort issue crop up?
(only noticed it had stopped working because i wanted to play a saved version of corruption of champions i had downloaded prior to flashes' death.)

Mvindo

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sadly it seems less and less feasible to use FLASH emulators etc. there's no guarantee they will work which is why i don't want to install any of them. for this reason i'm unable to watch FLASH animations at all - which frustrates me to no end

i think what we need to do is start somehow converting FLASH animations to webm or mp4 files so that we can all watch them - instead of having to rely on some emulator which may or may not work

dba afish

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mvindo said:
sadly it seems less and less feasible to use FLASH emulators etc. there's no guarantee they will work which is why i don't want to install any of them. for this reason i'm unable to watch FLASH animations at all - which frustrates me to no end

i think what we need to do is start somehow converting FLASH animations to webm or mp4 files so that we can all watch them - instead of having to rely on some emulator which may or may not work

You can still just download the SWF and watch them in a standalone flash player.

Mvindo

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sipothac said:
You can still just download the SWF and watch them in a standalone flash player.

that sounds great! :)

but how does that work? where can a standalone be found?

Roseroar

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Would like to know this too, when will E621 support Ruffle? It's what I use offline to watch my .swf p0rn. >.<

yougelacus

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notmenotyou said:
Since we've been getting quite a few threads about this topic, and there likely will be more in the future yet, we've decided we'd make this PSA/heads up to hopefully answer all questions before they crop up.

TL;DR: Nothing will change for any already existing files, we will be keeping those around indefinitely. What will change is that we will no longer be accepting new flash files after January 2021. However in order to view flash files in the future you will likely need to download a standalone flash player projector and play the games/videos locally.

Long Answer: The death of flash is purely related to both the browser plugins as well as the continued development of the creator programs. The end user can still download the older versions just fine and use them locally, there just won't be any new updates to either of those. Since the Adobe Flash Player parts are compliant with Windows 10 they will likely continue to work natively on Windows for a decade or two at least.

Earlopain

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Again, do NOT provide download links with questionable origin/authenticity. I have said as much to you on the discord already.

Corrupt Specturion

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mairo said:
[...] other formats in that software are lossy

So is H.264 High with the quality slider set to "Lossless" not actually lossless? That's inconvenient. Is it "visually" lossless, or something?

Mairo

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corrupt_specturion said:
So is H.264 High with the quality slider set to "Lossless" not actually lossless? That's inconvenient. Is it "visually" lossless, or something?

So from what I have been trying to inspect, it doesn't actually utilize h264 lossless mode, but simply has really low CRF so it's really great visual fidelity, but not proper lossless.

Additionally the output is YUV420 chroma subsampled, which means that if you do any editing at all it will have major impact on color quality and with many flash files I have needed to do manual video editing with the initial render.

Corrupt Specturion

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mairo said:
So from what I have been trying to inspect, it doesn't actually utilize h264 lossless mode, but simply has really low CRF so it's really great visual fidelity, but not proper lossless.

Additionally the output is YUV420 chroma subsampled, which means that if you do any editing at all it will have major impact on color quality and with many flash files I have needed to do manual video editing with the initial render.

At least FFmpeg handles rawvideo easily. Thanks for the tips, that saves me a headache or three.

Grey Scale Dragon

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roseroar said:
Would like to know this too, when will E621 support Ruffle? It's what I use offline to watch my .swf p0rn. >.<

I think it was mentioned that there are no plans to use ruffle. Its been 3 years and other sites like FA are already using it so by now e6 would have it too

GreenHeartDemon

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gattonero2001 said:
Screen recordings are against the uploading guidelines >:(

For flash this doesn't really make sense, if you have a proper setup the quality can be better than majority of video uploads on this site.
A bunch of videos on here is just gifs re-encoded with shitty online converters and other videos are also often put through online converters just to make it into a webm and quite a lot of them are terrible, especially when people still use VP8.
If anything, we should ban VP8 uploads and force a specific bitrate depending on resolution and framerate. Or have someone make a custom converter built around ffmpeg with locked parameters that writes some metadata confirming it has been used with that software, to ensure quality.
But then again, there's a part in the guidelines regarding low quality uploads, which is constantly ignored. It's kinda weird though, to call them "guidelines", yet they are treated as rules. If something is too low quality and you report it, it gets taken down, even though it's just a "guideline".
It feels more like a guideline for the staff rather than the users, as in users can post whatever, but staff needs to decide whether it's okay or not if a user reports it, if that makes any sense.

Anyways, JPEXS is an absolute godsend. If the flash is an actual video it can simply extract it, though so can ffmpeg most times and you need ffmpeg anyways to merge the audio if there is any.
But JPEXS often also allow you to extract the frames, and it often tells you what framerate it should be run at, so you can easily convert it to a video with ffmpeg. Done this many times myself.

KiloBuck

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what on earth is with the reluctance to add ruffle support? the links at the top of this thread are still dead but the mods still redirect to it whenever someone brings up flash support as if it'll somehow solve anything, and anyone who explains any of the obvious way better solutions or how the instructional header post here is completely useless just gets ignored. i can't understand the owners of this site. an offline player does the job but it's entirely unnecessary extra steps

GreenHeartDemon

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kilobuck said:
what on earth is with the reluctance to add ruffle support? the links at the top of this thread are still dead but the mods still redirect to it whenever someone brings up flash support as if it'll somehow solve anything, and anyone who explains any of the obvious way better solutions or how the instructional header post here is completely useless just gets ignored. i can't understand the owners of this site. an offline player does the job but it's entirely unnecessary extra steps

Ruffle is quite shit and often fails completely. Standalone flash player works like at least 99% of the time and isn't that hard to use. You literally just download swf from this site and doubleclick it to open it like any other file, once you've set it so that it opens with flash player by default.
It doesn't really make sense for the owner to implement a subpar solution that probably only a tiny fraction of users care about.
Also what do you mean with mods redirecting to dead link? The first post links to a web archive of flash player, and that web archive is still alive. All the links on this page (3rd page) work too, both the web archive and the newsground link.
Ruffle is a bandaid, using flash player is an actual fix.

Snake-Girl

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greenheartdemon said:
Ruffle is quite shit and often fails completely. Standalone flash player works like at least 99% of the time and isn't that hard to use. You literally just download swf from this site and doubleclick it to open it like any other file, once you've set it so that it opens with flash player by default.
It doesn't really make sense for the owner to implement a subpar solution that probably only a tiny fraction of users care about.
Also what do you mean with mods redirecting to dead link? The first post links to a web archive of flash player, and that web archive is still alive. All the links on this page (3rd page) work too, both the web archive and the newsground link.
Ruffle is a bandaid, using flash player is an actual fix.

pretty sure the ruffle is still in underdevelopment and requires constant updates to emulate swf files to the working state about the things you complain about. meanwhile, understandably on e6's part that embed ruffle requires manual updates since the updates are not automatic, so recommending to install an extension is a better stretch.

whether you like the flash player or not, i remember (especially taking many opinions and complaints from other people) flash player is pretty terrible despite the fond nostalgia resonates with it and i don't need to take a train with why it's awful on the most part but main complaints are usually about power consumption, awful performance, and security but i have bad memories about performance and exclusivity on devices. moreover, flash player may break games any time it had updated.

GhostOfAGhost

Member

snake-girl said:
pretty sure the ruffle is still in underdevelopment and requires constant updates to emulate swf files to the working state about the things you complain about. meanwhile, understandably on e6's part that embed ruffle requires manual updates since the updates are not automatic, so recommending to install an extension is a better stretch.

whether you like the flash player or not, i remember (especially taking many opinions and complaints from other people) flash player is pretty terrible despite the fond nostalgia resonates with it and i don't need to take a train with why it's awful on the most part but main complaints are usually about power consumption, awful performance, and security but i have bad memories about performance and exclusivity on devices. moreover, flash player may break games any time it had updated.

Yea but why take away our *option* to even use it?

KaelaniRevyruun

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"and use them locally"

Sadly after flash hit end of life, every time you start up your computer you get a popup saying "Adobe strongly recommends that immediately uninstalling flash player by using the "uninstall" button below". Your two options are...
1: Uninstall
2: Click "remind me later". Rinse and repeat next time you start up your computer.

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