Unalias bowsette -> bowser
Alias koopahime -> bowsette

Reason:

"bowsette" seems to be the prevailing term for this fan character..."koopahime" seems to be a less-popular name along with "princess bowser"...we should use the most popular name. So can this site just not be a special snowflake for once and get in line for the sake of consistency?

Here's the "know your meme" article which refers to her as Bowsette as well: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/peachette

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If things are being tagged properly bowser humanoidized crossgender should give almost identical results

darryus said:
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If things are being tagged properly bowser humanoidized crossgender should give almost identical results

Theres absolutely no reason to have that many tags when a fast tag could exist, especially a popular agreed upon one.

Users have only 5 tags they can search with at any time, because it clogs up the search. Absolutely not a bad thing and constantly pushing to have the ridiculous longform tags rather than a quicktag is inane and playing with semantics rather than trying to help with a clearly growing problem.

there's also just bowser super_crown

darryus said:
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If things are being tagged properly bowser humanoidized crossgender should give almost identical results

Do you even have a real point? Because people are just using the "koopahime" tag as a name for the character instead of your dumb 3-tag search to describe the character...as long as that's happening the discussion has moved past your suggestion...now we're just deciding what the character should be called, and it should use the most popular name.

Dyrone said:
Do you even have a real point? Because people are just using the "koopahime" tag as a name for the character instead of your dumb 3-tag search to describe the character...as long as that's happening the discussion has moved past your suggestion...now we're just deciding what the character should be called, and it should use the most popular name.

We call the character what it is, it's Bowser wearing a super_crown.

darryus said:
We call the character what it is, it's Bowser wearing a super_crown.

It is, but it's also a very specific design for Bowser wearing a super crown...if you had 10 artists and told them "hey...draw Browser if he were wearing the super crown" they'd all come up with 10 different designs (I mean if they hadn't yet been exposed to Bowsette and came up with their own designs).

Also...did you miss the part where this character is already named koopahime...are you advocating that we remove that tag? Because it sounds like you are...at least take your own argument to its logical conclusion.

There's obviously a want from the community to name this character, no matter how much it apparently offends your anal tagging sensibilities.

I also think it should be aliased (to Bowser). You're not going to need such precision for something already as specific as Super Crown Bowser that you'll need as many tags as possible for a search result.

Dyrone said:
It is, but it's also a very specific design for Bowser wearing a super crown...

No it isn't, these tags have been added to posts with blonde hair, posts with red hair, and posts with an anthro rather than humanoid

darryus said:
No it isn't, these tags have been added to posts with blonde hair, posts with red hair, and posts with an anthro rather than humanoid

Yes it is...all of these are JUMPING OFF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. Hell that post where she is anthrofied is a damn edit of her VERY FIRST APPEARANCE. That is the comic that started all of this.

Opilione said:
I also think it should be aliased (to Bowser). You're not going to need such precision for something already as specific as Super Crown Bowser that you'll need as many tags as possible for a search result.

Right now the Bowsette is essentially the main character under the bowser tag...however in the future, when her popularity dies down and Bowser takes over his own tag again, it's going to be really really confusing when people type in "bowsette" and just get a bunch of pictures of a typical old Bowser.

It's still a different design.

It'll be confusing for a second, and then they'll search something more specific and find it. It's not really an issue.

Yeah, there's not really a consistent design; the most COMMON one is certainly the blond haired, pale skin one, but I've seen a good chunk with dark skin, with red hair, and even in a more half anthro half humanoid form as darryus said.

If she were portrayed pretty much solely in this one way, I'd agree with you. For now, it can differ wildly depending on the artist's imagination and creativity, so bowser super_crown would be the best thing in this case, imho

Opilione said:
It's still a different design.

It'll be confusing for a second, and then they'll search something more specific and find it. It's not really an issue.

"not really an issue" vs. zero issue if she was just given her name. Why complicate things at all if they can be as easy as possible?

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
Yeah, there's not really a consistent design; the most COMMON one is certainly the blond haired, pale skin one, but I've seen a good chunk with dark skin, with red hair, and even in a more half anthro half humanoid form as darryus said.

If she were portrayed pretty much solely in this one way, I'd agree with you. For now, it can differ wildly depending on the artist's imagination and creativity, so bowser super_crown would be the best thing in this case, imho

That's like saying that Mario doesn't have a consistent design because he can eat the fire flower and his clothes change color. There are eseentially three designs...all of them are CLEARLY based off the of first. The dark-skinned one is literally the EXACT SAME character with dark skin and red hair. The third and much rarer one is when people anthrofy her.

And of course there's artist variance...not every artist is going to adhere perfectly to the original design, but you can't use that as a means to suggest that these are all independent designs when they clearly are not.

Why make a special case for Bowsette when other crossgenders and alternate species designs don't get their own tags?

Opilione said:
Why make a special case for Bowsette when other crossgenders and alternate species designs don't get their own tags?

^^^

Opilione said:
Why make a special case for Bowsette when other crossgenders and alternate species designs don't get their own tags?

Most of them don't really have a very clearly defined name to start off with like Bowsette does. I mean...give me an example and I can tell you if it's reasonable or not.

Also I find it problematic to rely so heavily on "bowser super_crown" search to find this character...what if an artist forgets to add the super crown? What if they just draw a regular crown? Clearly it would still be the same character from other ques, and yet suddenly that image would be omitted from the results.

Dyrone said:
Most of them don't really have a very clearly defined name to start off with like Bowsette does.

The name is literally "Bowser" with the R removed in favor of "ette". That is not exactly "defined", that just added a suffix (ette) over a name and making it phonetically pleasing. Beware of Mariette next...

Siral_Exan said:
The name is literally "Bowser" with the R removed in favor of "ette". That is not exactly "defined", that just added a suffix (ette) over a name and making it phonetically pleasing. Beware of Mariette next...

It's defined by popular culture...I already linked the Know Your Meme page which specifically refers to her as "Bowsette"...and all the other R34 sites are using Bowsette as well. Tumblr uses "Bowsette"...DA uses "Bowsette"...I could go on but you get the point.

Then just use a different search. It's not that hard.

Not everyone even agrees on Bowsette. Koopahime/Princess Koopa, Princess Bowser, and Peachser are all being used.

Tumblr and DA don't have a booru's tagging system so they're not relevant.

Dyrone said:
It's defined by popular culture...I already linked the Know Your Meme page which specifically refers to her as "Bowsette"...and all the other R34 sites are using Bowsette as well. Tumblr uses "Bowsette"...yeah pretty much everywhere.

Yea, creating names because of memes is real good. Hell, let me make a wiki page right and quick on the Mario wiki...

And you know this isn't R34 or other sites, this is e621. Should we start adapting to their policies, or adhere to ours?

darryus said:
there's also just bowser super_crown

Actually you would need four tags to properly differentiate the images. Bowser, crossgender, humanoid, and super_crown.

Also +1

SpencerSDH said:
Actually you would need four tags to properly differentiate the images. Bowser, crossgender, humanoid, and super_crown.

Not really... considering that super_crown in itself transforms bowser into bowsette in fanworks, bowser super_crown would work just fine in searches.

Opilione said:
Then just use a different search. It's not that hard.

Not everyone even agrees on Bowsette. Koopahime/Princess Koopa and Princess Bowser are all being used.

Uh no...don't try to gaslight me. If you search for this character at all it's perfectly clear Bowsette is winning handily and these other searches are irrelevant in comparison. On /r/rule34 if you search "bowsette" you get around 30 results meanwhile "koopahime" and "peachser" return nothing and "princess koopa" (which is her own character btw...ofc you may not know that because you probably didn't name her either) and "princess bowser" return mostly pics of peach fucking bowser and no images of Bowsette.

Opilione said:
Tumblr and DA don't have a booru's tagging system so they're not relevant.

You realize that Boorus tend to get tags from those places right? That's where the fandoms are and we just kind of import and boorus just kind of record what they do.

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
Not really... considering that super_crown in itself transforms bowser into bowsette in fanworks, bowser super_crown would work just fine in searches.

I guess you skipped this? Because I already addressed it...I'll copy/paste it for you:

Also I find it problematic to rely so heavily on "bowser super_crown" search to find this character...what if an artist forgets to add the super crown? What if they just draw a regular crown? Clearly it would still be the same character from other queues, and yet suddenly that image would be omitted from the results.

How is saying that not everyone agrees on it, regardless of what other boorus use, gaslighting you? Various tags were clearly being used here and are being discussed, and I've seen all sorts of names thrown around on other websites. And when one booru can just enforce one name of course there's gonna be consistency there. I've seen people using just Bowser, too.

Our tags are not decided by Tumblr and Deviantart.

Opilione said:
How is saying that not everyone agrees on it, regardless of what other boorus use, gaslighting you? Various tags were clearly being used here and are being discussed, and I've seen all sorts of names thrown around on other websites. And when one booru can just enforce one name of course there's gonna be consistency there.

Our tags are not decided by Tumblr and Deviantart.

To continue, we even alias unnecessary names to their proper terms. There was a crop-up of Vixen, pokemon with different translations, characters who have names changed, et cetera. "Bowsette" is no different than a combination of tags, it should be aliased to Bowser for consistency's sake. You can disagree with that, but that is the practice this site uses.

Opilione said:
How is saying that not everyone agrees on it, regardless of what other boorus use, gaslighting you?

Because you're acting like there's still this big debate over which name is best when clearly Bowsette has already won. It's like when republicans consistently claim the jury is out on climate change when there's a fucking mountain of scientific evidence...you're denying reality.

Opilione said:
And when one booru can just enforce one name of course there's gonna be consistency there.

One booru? Paheal and Rule34.xxx are using it, as well as know your meme. It's not just one rogue website like "FUCK YOU ALL...IT'S BOWSETTE!" Again, strawmanning.

Opilione said:
Our tags are not decided by Tumblr and Deviantart.

Again...strawmanning...it's not like the corporations decide what your tags should be...but the artsits, creators, and communities do and should have a large impact on what the characters THEY CREATE should be called. They represent the popular culture that is actually going to come and use your website...why not service your own users?

Siral_Exan said:
To continue, we even alias unnecessary names to their proper terms. There was a crop-up of Vixen, pokemon with different translations, characters who have names changed, et cetera. "Bowsette" is no different than a combination of tags, it should be aliased to Bowser for consistency's sake. You can disagree with that, but that is the practice this site uses.

I don't consider "this is just the way things are done" to be a very compelling argument. You shouldn't be afraid to examine these things...sometimes on a case by case basis.

Dyrone said:
I guess you skipped this? Because I already addressed it...I'll copy/paste it for you:

Also I find it problematic to rely so heavily on "bowser super_crown" search to find this character...what if an artist forgets to add the super crown? What if they just draw a regular crown? Clearly it would still be the same character from other queues, and yet suddenly that image would be omitted from the results.

This^ Just because a character can be found with a set of tags, does not mean it shouldn't have it's own tag. I'm gonna keep hammering this point. Zero_suit_fox exists, so why can't this?

No, I'm not, I just said that there wasn't even total agreement on the issue. I wasn't saying it was just ONE booru, either, I was just saying one booru as in a booru. If anyone's strawmanning it's you.

The artists don't decide the tags here, unless by drawing tits on something they've made it so that it'll always be tagged with tits. Tags are decided by looking at a picture and tagging it based on what you see, not based on the nebulous desires of artists and communities. I didn't say anything about corporations.

I saw debate on whether or not Zero Suit Fox should be a tag.

Opilione said:
No, I'm not, I just said that there wasn't even total agreement on the issue. I wasn't saying it was just ONE booru, either, I was just saying one booru as in a booru. If anyone's strawmanning it's you.

Well if you don't mean these things then you need to be much more careful with your word choice.

Saying "there isn't total agreement" is stupid. There isn't total agreement on almost anything in life...but 99% agreement is good enough...you were definitely acting as if the character's name was up in the air...it's not.

Opilione said:
The artists don't decide the tags here, unless by drawing tits on something they've made it so that it'll always be tagged with tits. Tags are decided by looking at a picture and tagging it based on what you see, not based on the nebulous desires of artists and communities. I didn't say anything about corporations.

Character names by their very nature cannot be TWYS...do you intrinsically know the name of every OC by looking at their picture? NO...the artist has to tell you that. Stop being so glib.

I don't consider "this is just the way things are done" to be a very compelling argument. You shouldn't be afraid to examine these things...sometimes on a case by case basis.

I mean, can you actually make an argument for an exception to exist, when a variety of tags people wanted exceptions for don't exist. I'm more saying what argument can you make against the site's practices, if you don't have one then why argue for this to exist? It seems like it'd be a waste of time.

I honestly don't know how you got that from my word choice.

I'm aware of that, but artists and communities don't determine all the tags here. It doesn't matter, we're getting off topic.

Zero_suit_fox shouldn't have been its own tag tbh; it's literally just fox in a zero suit and usually crosgendered.

IMHO it should've been aliased to the normal fox mccloud. Just because zero suit fox as a tag exists doesn't make our arguments against the new tag invalid; older tags existed and/or were created in older climates with possibly different admins and different takes on rules. Nowadays, I don't think a tag like zero_suit_fox would even be approved if it were a newer character tag, personally.

Siral_Exan said:
I mean, can you actually make an argument for an exception to exist, when a variety of tags people wanted exceptions for don't exist. I'm more saying what argument can you make against the site's practices, if you don't have one then why argue for this to exist? It seems like it'd be a waste of time.

I'm not really an E621 historian...I don't know what these controversies are, however I know that zero_suit_fox exists, so there is obviously not complete adherence to these rules. Maybe you can explain to me why that tag gets to exists and this doesn't?

Ultimately tags should serve users and this site should stop taking it's tagging policies so seriously. If a tag can be created to make things easier for users...then do it.

Opilione said:
I honestly don't know how you got that from my word choice.

I'm aware of that, but artists and communities don't determine all the tags here. It doesn't matter, we're getting off topic.

Why are you always dealing in aboslutes? "all the tags" "total agreement"...maybe because you know it's true, but deceptively so. Yes...artists and communities don't determine ALL tags, but when it comes to things that are born of those communities it only makes sense to look to them for the name.

Just thought I'd let yall know I am currently in the process of replacing the koopahime tag with the tag bowsette_meme in the general category. Since it's a meme, it can totally get it's own tag. Obviously this means both koopahime and bowsette need to be aliased to it, but hey, problem fucking solved.

SpencerSDH said:
Just thought I'd let yall know I am currently in the process of replacing the koopahime tag with the tag bowsette_meme in the general category. Since it's a meme, it can totally get it's own tag. Obviously this means both koopahime and bowsette need to be aliased to it, but hey, problem fucking solved.

Uh... might be a good thing to let this convo play out and us come to a decision before any tags get changed.

I might be misreading the tone because internet, so ignore me if I am, but maybe you need to take a bit of a breather. You sound a bit mad over this, when really we shouldn't need to be getting angry at each other.

If I misread you I apologize; just ignore the text prior.

SpencerSDH said:
Just thought I'd let yall know I am currently in the process of replacing the koopahime tag with the tag bowsette_meme in the general category. Since it's a meme, it can totally get it's own tag. Obviously this means both koopahime and bowsette need to be aliased to it, but hey, problem fucking solved.

Whatever works.

This whole stupid situation

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
Uh... might be a good thing to let this convo play out and us come to a decision before any tags get changed.

I might be misreading the tone because internet, so ignore me if I am, but maybe you need to take a bit of a breather. You sound a bit mad over this, when really we shouldn't need to be getting angry at each other.

If I misread you I apologize; just ignore the text prior.

I'm not mad, I'm just a bit frustrated at the lack of any wiggle room with the rules here. Also it's too late, I already did it. But hey, the tag doesn't break any rules. It is a meme, and we do tag memes here, so bam. My problem with just letting the convo play out, is that nothing will come of it. The site isn't going to budge on this, so we might as well give it some kind of distinguishing tag, given it's explosive popularity.

Dyrone said:
Whatever works.

This whole stupid situation

I agree with you on this, but unfortunately these are things we have to deal with. E621 has some of best rule enforcement of pretty much any booru I've used, but this comes with the unfortunate downside of not being able to bend those rules when exceptions occur.

The meme tag seems like the best compromise we can do.

I'd switch the aliases over to that one and have the tag implicate bowser.

The end result would be:

/ peachser / koopahime aliased to bowsette_meme
bowsette_meme implicates bowser and super_crown

Any objections?

NotMeNotYou said:
The meme tag seems like the best compromise we can do.

I'd switch the aliases over to that one and have the tag implicate bowser.

The end result would be:

bowsette

/ peachser / koopahime aliased to bowsette_meme
bowsette_meme implicates bowser and super_crown

Any objections?

That sounds fine to me honestly

SpencerSDH said:
Just thought I'd let yall know I am currently in the process of replacing the koopahime tag with the tag bowsette_meme in the general category. Since it's a meme, it can totally get it's own tag. Obviously this means both koopahime and bowsette need to be aliased to it, but hey, problem fucking solved.

I don't understand why we would need both this and the super_crown tag, it seems like that thing is the whole catalyst for the meme, and with that tag we're not using a borderline vestigial tag that only applies to a single character.

I'm good with that compromise too.

darryus said:
I don't understand why we would need both this and the super_crown tag, it seems like that thing is the whole catalyst for the meme, and with that tag we're not using a borderline vestigial tag that only applies to a single character.

I made my suggestion under the assumption that the super_crown is a power up that can be used by every playable character. As such we're likely going to see more transformations as more trailers / teasers are released. This would simply make it future proof, so to speak.

Ehh, whatever. At the least it'll keep both the bowser and super_crown tags on the things. Even if I disagree with the tag existing into the future a alias and implications like these'll at keep things at least somewhat properly tagged for the moment until the fad dies down.

NotMeNotYou said:
The meme tag seems like the best compromise we can do.

I'd switch the aliases over to that one and have the tag implicate bowser.

The end result would be:

bowsette

/ peachser / koopahime aliased to bowsette_meme
bowsette_meme implicates bowser and super_crown

Any objections?

I think you know I would prefer simply "bowsette"...if we use "bowsette_meme" that probably wouldn't be a character tag...it would get lost in the jumble with the other general tags. I really don't see why making an exception here to a general rule would be the end of the world.

I have also heard peeps complaining about Bowsette sort of invading the Bowser tag...I don't know how you guys typically handle fusion-type characters...but to me I'm thinking...tough shit? Blacklist it if you don't like it. I think Bowsette should implicate both princess_peach and bowser...in fact the character is about 75% Peach and only 25% Bowser in the looks department...despite the name kinda leading you to think it might be the opposite ("peachser" doesn't really roll off the tongue tho).

NotMeNotYou said:
I made my suggestion under the assumption that the super_crown is a power up that can be used by every playable character. As such we're likely going to see more transformations as more trailers / teasers are released. This would simply make it future proof, so to speak.

Yes...this was exactly my point from before...a super_crown and bowser in the same image doesn't necessarily equal out to be Bowsette...especially as time goes on. I mean the initial character the super_crown debuted on was Toadette who then became Peachette...Bowsette is just an offshoot of that. Funny that when an admin brings up the same point people suddenly listen...

Dyrone said:
I think you know I would prefer simply "bowsette"...if we use "bowsette_meme" that probably wouldn't be a character tag...it would get lost in the jumble with the other general tags. I really don't see why making an exception here to a general rule would be the end of the world.

It's not going to be a character tag, that's the entire point.

Dyrone said:
Yes...this was exactly my point from before...a super_crown and bowser in the same image doesn't necessarily equal out to be Bowsette...especially as time goes on. I mean the initial character the super_crown debuted on was Toadette who then became Peachette...Bowsette is just an offshoot of that. Funny that when an admin brings up the same point people suddenly listen...

They listen because my point is a different one, despite similar arguments. Super_crown + bowser is good enough for all intents and purposes. The few false hits are entirely acceptable, and will likely stay that way in the future as well.
I am liking the bowsette_meme tag purely because the function and outcome (of the super crown) are purely conjecture at this point. If bowser actually gets a "real" transformation based on that power up it might be completely different from the fan creation, thus we have a way to differentiate between canon bowser + super crown and fan bowser + super crown.

Sigh, people are adding bowsette_meme to characters that aren't bowser, this is the kinda thing I was worried about. The tag isn't implying to bowser or super_crown yet so it's not a big deal.

I say just alias bowsette -> super_crown

Yeah I figured this problem would occur, hence my aversion to the whole character tag deal. Aliasing to super crown might be our best bet

darryus said:
I say just alias bowsette -> super_crown

That is.... counter intuitive. What if there was a comic where the whole point was "the crown is gone and I'm stuck this way" or they forget to draw it.

That said, other characters being tagged with bowsette_meme *is* problematic.

we can either FIX it by retagging them, or try to find another tag name that covers things better -- say, super_crown_meme

SnowWolf said:
That is.... counter intuitive. What if there was a comic where the whole point was "the crown is gone and I'm stuck this way" or they forget to draw it.

That said, other characters being tagged with bowsette_meme *is* problematic.

we can either FIX it by retagging them, or try to find another tag name that covers things better -- say, super_crown_meme

In my opinion bowsette -> super_crown has the a pretty significantly low potential for mistags and doesn't add more extraneous tags to the situation. Just remove super_crown when it ends up being added to the wrong stuff.

Or just invalidate the thing. Which would be the most cathartic in the short term (at least for me), but I feel like we don't want to go with the nuclear option. I mean, unless we want an enormous shitshow.

darryus said:
I mean, unless we want an enormous shitshow.

This entire thing is already a shutshow. I don't understand why this is causing so much controversy. Honestly, I think the character tag on its own was fine and had no reason to be reduced to an alias.

StrangeChallenge2 said:
This entire thing is already a shutshow. I don't understand why this is causing so much controversy. Honestly, I think the character tag on its own was fine and had no reason to be reduced to an alias.

Because it's a redundant tag, a search of super_crown and bowser (*) would normally return the same results. Even if this was something that came into existence in a vacuum and super_crown didn't exist we already have crossgender and humanoidized.

darryus said:
Because it's a redundant tag, a search of super_crown and bowser (*) would normally return the same results. Even if this was something that came into existence in a vacuum and super_crown didn't exist we already have crossgender and humanoidized.

But why bother with taking up those extra tag slots in a search? Not to mention that it can easily get some false hits. I hear a lot of people have been doing Booette lately, how long until we get an image with both Bowser and somebody else who has the super crown? I genuinely think that what the OP proposed is the best and easiest approach here.

StrangeChallenge2 said:
But why bother with taking up those extra tag slots in a search? Not to mention that it can easily get some false hits. I hear a lot of people have been doing Booette lately, how long until we get an image with both Bowser and somebody else who has the super crown? I genuinely think that what the OP proposed is the best and easiest approach here.

Why don't we just tag all alternate forms of all characters with new character tags? It's messy it's hard to deal with wrong tags get added to posts or posts are left without the proper (tons of bowsette posts are uploaded with lack of crossgender, humanoidized, and heck, even basic gender tags) tags because the new character tag already describes the same things.

Tags like this lead to lazy tagging and therefore more work for me or other dedicated taggers.

Not to mention the fact that bowsette was used to tag wildly different looking characters, red hair/blonde hair, dark skin/light skin, more anthro/more human.

darryus said:
Why don't we just tag all alternate forms of all characters with new character tags? It's messy it's hard to deal with wrong tags get added to posts or posts are left without the proper (tons of bowsette posts are uploaded with lack of crossgender, humanoidized, and heck, even basic gender tags) tags because the new character tag already describes the same things.

Tags like this lead to lazy tagging and therefore more work for me or other dedicated taggers.

Not to mention the fact that bowsette was used to tag wildly different looking characters, red hair/blonde hair, dark skin/light skin, more anthro/more human.

There are only two cases on this site in which an anthro version of this character was used and honestly, I think those are the one's that need to be reduced to Bowser Super_crown. Plus, red haired and tan vs. blonde haired and white is not that drastic a change. It's basically just a palette swap, something that I've seen incredibly commonly for multiple characters. Hell, some people even make the exact same image twice with the two different palettes. This has never once blurred the line on what should be considered a character or not.

Alright guys. I say we just wait this one out for now. If this gets worse, then we'll come up with a long term solution. It's not that hard. This meme is still growing and it will probably do so for a week or more. Just be patient.

darryus said:
In my opinion bowsette -> super_crown has the a pretty significantly low potential for mistags and doesn't add more extraneous tags to the situation. Just remove super_crown when it ends up being added to the wrong stuff.

Or just invalidate the thing. Which would be the most cathartic in the short term (at least for me), but I feel like we don't want to go with the nuclear option. I mean, unless we want an enormous shitshow.

You need to understand that we don't alias things just for the purposes of tagging. If someone searches bowsette and gets a bunch of images that don't include bowsette, then what? Are they supposed know to use bowser and super_crown? This isn't about making your job as a tagger easier, alright. We do this so people can find things on the site easier. One of the reasons I'm pushing for these tags so hard is because it makes finding this meme easier for people who are looking for it, because that's what the site is here for. This isn't just some image archive created so that people with OCD have an outlet for their disorder. We, the taggers, are in the minority here, and it is our job to make sure that people who visit this site have the least confusing experience possible. I may have gone on a bit of a tirade here, but you need to stop pushing to alias things just so you have less work to do.

SpencerSDH said:
You need to understand that we don't alias things just for the purposes of tagging. If someone searches bowsette and gets a bunch of images that don't include bowsette, then what? Are they supposed know to use bowser and super_crown? This isn't about making your job as a tagger easier, alright. We do this so people can find things on the site easier.

That'd happen either way, there are already people adding the bowsette_meme tag to humanized king boo posts. This whole thing is a goddamned mess.

darryus said:
That'd happen either way, there are already people adding the bowsette_meme tag to humanized king boo posts. This whole thing is a goddamned mess.

So you're advocating we alias a tag in such a way that would create immediately noticeable problems on the user's end, so that you don't have to remove an errant tag once and a while?

I don't think the tag should exist, and as NiMNY already said "It's not going to be a character tag". We don't create new versions of character tags for things that don't exist in canon. At this point super_crown is pretty much the only common denominator, aliasing all of these tags to that has the lowest potential for mistags, and as time goes on that will probably become more and more true.

darryus said:
I don't think the tag should exist, and as NiMNY already said "It's not going to be a character tag". We don't create new versions of character tags for things that don't exist in canon. At this point super_crown is pretty much the only common denominator, aliasing all of these tags to that has the lowest potential for mistags, and as time goes on that will probably become more and more true.

I've already explained to you the problem of aliasing the tags to super_crown, and I'm not going to do it again. You obviously don't care if it creates more problems, therefore, I don't think your input is useful in this discussion.

darryus said:
I don't think the tag should exist, and as NiMNY already said "It's not going to be a character tag". We don't create new versions of character tags for things that don't exist in canon. At this point super_crown is pretty much the only common denominator, aliasing all of these tags to that has the lowest potential for mistags, and as time goes on that will probably become more and more true.

Youre the only one who has an issue and people are having issues with blacklisting because of this debacle.

Bowsette is an OC, of someones, who became popular. It's the common agreed upon name (koopahime in JP bc obvs).

zero_suit_fox is a tag for gods sake but this is where you draw the line on whats an acceptable character tag?

Thats completely arbitrary bullshit and you know it.

You've created a situation where you can't blacklist the shit without blocking super_crown, or bowser completely. And nobody is going to know that they should add _meme onto the tag thats completely inane and unreasonable. What in gods name does that even achieve other than a lazy semantics argument.

Demesejha said:
You've created a situation where you can't blacklist the shit without blocking super_crown, or bowser completely. And nobody is going to know that they should add _meme onto the tag thats completely inane and unreasonable. What in gods name does that even achieve other than a lazy semantics argument.

At some point it's no longer our responsibility when people have their panties in a twist over a meme that will die in a few weeks at most.

Beyond that, I did the thing I said I was going to do, but I didn't have the bowsette_meme imply bowser. It only implies super_crown now. The meme itself (throwing a super crown on everything that moves and having it look like dressed up Princess Peach) is still known mostly as bowsette meme, so that'll serve us well enough.

Edit: Also I locked zero_suit_fox to be a general tag. No need to change that beyond anything else.

NotMeNotYou said:
At some point it's no longer our responsibility when people have their panties in a twist over a meme that will die in a few weeks at most.

Beyond that, I did the thing I said I was going to do, but I didn't have the bowsette_meme imply bowser. It only implies super_crown now. The meme itself (throwing a super crown on everything that moves and having it look like dressed up Princess Peach) is still known mostly as bowsette meme, so that'll serve us well enough.

Edit: Also I locked zero_suit_fox to be a general tag. No need to change that beyond anything else.

The koopahime tag still exists. That should be aliased to bowsette meme as well

Siral_Exan said:
It was aliased away 14 minutes ago. Did you try this search recently?

There must be some kind of delay. It was still working when I typed that comment.

SpencerSDH said:
There must be some kind of delay. It was still working when I typed that comment.

It's working now, even. Is there some kind of delay, 'cause even the wiki lists it as aliased? I thought aliases were instant. /thinkingman

Siral_Exan said:
It's working now, even. Is there some kind of delay, 'cause even the wiki lists it as aliased? I thought aliases were instant.

It's still showing koopahime as a separate tag, and searching for it yields different results than searching for bowsette_meme. You can even still add the tag to images, although it doesn't show up in the tag history when adding it, only when removing it. I'm guessing aliasing is not instantaneous.

SpencerSDH said:
It's still showing koopahime as a separate tag, and searching for it yields different results than searching for bowsette_meme.

This mystery must be solved, gang! But seriously, I could have sworn aliases were instant, and the koopahime wiki confirms that is had been aliased. There was even a problem with phantom tag counts due to aliases, because the server wouldn't update tagcounts immediately.

Oh wait, now I remember. A similar problem occurs for tags themselves. The armpit tag still has this problem, updating the posts removes the tag as normal. /fail.

I tried removing the tag manually to see if that fixed it, it didn't seem to. I've never seen an alias act like this, I've seen a tag not imply properly a handful of times but not an alias that just dosn't work.

NotMeNotYou said:
At some point it's no longer our responsibility when people have their panties in a twist over a meme that will die in a few weeks at most.

Beyond that, I did the thing I said I was going to do, but I didn't have the bowsette_meme imply bowser. It only implies super_crown now. The meme itself (throwing a super crown on everything that moves and having it look like dressed up Princess Peach) is still known mostly as bowsette meme, so that'll serve us well enough.

Edit: Also I locked zero_suit_fox to be a general tag. No need to change that beyond anything else.

So what about the posts without a super crown? It's okay to leave them with an invalid tag?

Blind_Guardian said:
So what about the posts without a super crown? It's okay to leave them with an invalid tag?

If they don't have a super crown visible they're not part of the meme. Though I guess the super crown might slightly change the appearance depending on the artist. I saw at least one picture on imgur today that had the crown be red instead of purple, but the rest was identical.