NotMeNotYou said:
If they don't have a super crown visible they're not part of the meme. Though I guess the super crown might slightly change the appearance depending on the artist. I saw at least one picture on imgur today that had the crown be red instead of purple, but the rest was identical.

princess_koopa - original character or just a lizard peach? also literal translation of the japanese nickname for character depicted in this thread but different character
zero_suit_fox - this is allowed? It's just fox in a zero suit. Can I start tagging other characters in clothing? tuxedo_mario, swimsuit_mario
super_sonic, peachette, many others I can not think of currently - canon form changes allow form breaks in our tagging policy?
pinkamena_(mlp) - fan canon allow form changes too? Just search pinkie_pie straight_hair fan_character, that's the same thing right?
shygirl - this is just female shyguy, same as above, this doesn't even get crossgender tagged on them.
So I have to spend 3 tags searching for 1 character now? That aren't even consistently tagged? If I want to find actual crossgender Bowser, now I have to use minimum 3 tags as well.
For blacklisting I have to blacklist bowsette_meme if I don't want to see any non-canon transformation that uses the crown, but apparently we are only using it for bowser since this wasn't argued against?
You acknowledge the name by using it in the general tag bowsette_meme but refuse to use it as a character when we have dozens of exceptions? The character design is incredibly consistent and recognizable, why can't we have a character tag for this fan character?

Bowsette raises Nintendo stock 2%

Pewdiepie (the world's most popular YouTuber) makes a video on Bowsette

/r/Bowsette subreddit already has over 40k subscribers

Nope...still can't call this character by her name...what has to happen to allow this character to just use her name? Does Jesus have to make his second coming and reveal he's actually Bowsette?

Blind_Guardian said:
*snip*

All of those (sans zero_suit_fox) have reasons to exist.
Princess_koopa needs to continue to exist until we have a proper tag for whatever the species of the character is (see here) and until then information would be lost if it was removed.

and peachette exist in cannon and have cannon names, furthermore, what would you tag a picture of Super Sonic, alternate_color?

has problems that exist inherently because of the tagging system; shygirls aren't always considered humanoids, so humanoidized won't always apply and they're not always considered humans so humanized wouldn't always apply either. In additon to this, as far as we know shyguys aren't an all male species, so crossgender dosn't make sense, just like you wouldn't tag a male ladybug with crossgender just because "lady" is in the name.

Dyrone said:
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Dude, stop with the appeal ad poplulum, it's getting old and it's not going to change any minds, let alone any rules.

im still seeing a few people using bowsette_meme or super_crown on bowser without tagging him, such as here (at time of posting).
this meme made tagging confusing, I'm just glad we condensed the 4 or so forum posts into one.

Dyrone said:
Bowsette raises Nintendo stock 2%

Pewdiepie (the world's most popular YouTuber) makes a video on Bowsette

/r/Bowsette subreddit already has over 40k subscribers

Nope...still can't call this character by her name...what has to happen to allow this character to just use her name? Does Jesus have to make his second coming and reveal he's actually Bowsette?

The original creator never gave the "character" a name because it's literally just a genderbent humanized Bowser. In a later comic he refers to her as Miss Bowser, after the rest of the world already settled on bowsette. But sure, it's the characters name, and not a name of a meme.

When you start seeing Bowsette showing up in Google News, you know the fight is over.

Dyrone said:
Pewdiepie (the world's most popular YouTuber)

Sure, but what does T-Series have to say about it?

miste~t said:
im still seeing a few people using bowsette_meme or super_crown on bowser without tagging him, such as here (at time of posting).
this meme made tagging confusing, I'm just glad we condensed the 4 or so forum posts into one.

I'd take care of it if I didn't have like two or three other huge tagging projects I'd rather be working on.

...Honestly I kinda want to wait until the fad is pretty much completely dead before I'd actually go in and fix everything, because up until then there's a high probability of randies going in and mucking up the tags again.

darryus said:
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Ya I've just been tagging it when I see it, I just saw a boo + super crown imgur dump with "400" pics so im kinda scared to jump off into this. Hopefully this dies down like that one dino from rick and morty did.

Man that's giving me some flashbacks lmfao. So many people would tag that r&m stripper as alien or demon, despite looking more like a generic reptile and/or theropod... it was a mess before the fad died down.

Probably will be the same for this fad too, aka a mess until it cools down.

miste~t said:
Ya I've just been tagging it when I see it, I just saw a boo + super crown imgur dump with "400" pics so im kinda scared to jump off into this. Hopefully this dies down like that one dino from rick and morty did.

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
Man that's giving me some flashbacks lmfao. So many people would tag that r&m stripper as alien or demon, despite looking more like a generic reptile and/or theropod... it was a mess before the fad died down.

Probably will be the same for this fad too, aka a mess until it cools down.

Yeah, I don't see it lasting all that much longer, twice as bright, half as long and all that jazz.

I'm still going to be fixing any that come across my ""desk"" (posts lacking gender tags) until then.

Blind_Guardian said:
princess_koopa - original character or just a lizard peach? also literal translation of the japanese nickname for character depicted in this thread but different character
zero_suit_fox - this is allowed? It's just fox in a zero suit. Can I start tagging other characters in clothing? tuxedo_mario, swimsuit_mario
super_sonic, peachette, many others I can not think of currently - canon form changes allow form breaks in our tagging policy?
pinkamena_(mlp) - fan canon allow form changes too? Just search pinkie_pie straight_hair fan_character, that's the same thing right?
shygirl - this is just female shyguy, same as above, this doesn't even get crossgender tagged on them.

You can add to the list,
ugandan_knuckles - he’s just a funnily drawn version of knuckles. The origional artist didnt even give him that name, the internet did!

SharkFetish said:
You can add to the list,
ugandan_knuckles - he’s just a funnily drawn version of knuckles. The origional artist didnt even give him that name, the internet did!

has the problem of being indescribable by a few tags and therefore being nearly unsearchable without that tag (also it should probably be a species tag rather than a character tag).

darryus said:
Dude, stop with the appeal ad poplulum, it's getting old and it's not going to change any minds, let alone any rules.

The argument gets stronger all the time as she gets more popular...just thought it was worthy of bringing up again.

Whatever...the other R34 sites can pick up all the pageviews you guys are leaving on the ground by sticking to this confusing byzantine system. Most other sites already have 700+ Bowsette images...and as a site that allows non-porn you should easily be over 1,000...you have 344. Way to go shooting yourself in the foot.

Dyrone said:
The argument gets stronger all the time as she gets more popular...just thought it was worthy of bringing up again.

A fallacy is a fallacy is a fallacy, nothing is going to make it a stronger argument.

Almost no other booru has a tagging system as large, as intricate, and as well maintained as e6, they need these tags.

EDIT: Also what's with the fucking "you" language? Are you no longer considering yourself part of the community? Does that mean that you're going to leave and I might have a brief respite from having to argue against the same point over and over or literal fallacies?

darryus said:
Ugandan_knuckles has the problem of being indescribable by a few tags and therefore being nearly unsearchable without that tag (also it should probably be a species tag rather than a character tag).

Ugandan Knuckles and Bowsette are similar to eah others others.

• Both of them are just another form of a character.
• Both of them, bar the actual design of the character, were creations of the internet.
• Both were named by the internet
• They both have distinct recognizable designs.
• Bowsette does have some variance in design with her hair (blonde/red) and her skin (white/tan) but all of them are recognizable as Bowsette

Why is okay alias Bowsette to Bowser and then have a Bowsette_meme tag buut not alias ugandan_knuckles to knuckles and have an ugandan_knuckles_meme tag?

SharkFetish said:
Ugandan Knuckles and Bowsette are similar to eah others others.
-Both of them are just another form of a character.
-Both of them, bar the actual design of the character, were creations of the internet.
-Both were named by the internet
-They both have distinct recognizable designs.
-Bowsette does have some variance in design with her hair (blonde/red)
and her skin (white/tan) but all of them are recognizable as Bowsette

Why is okay alias Bowsette to Bowser and then have a Bowsette_meme tag buut not alias ugandan_knuckles to knuckles and have an ugandan_knuckles_meme tag?

I don't know man. If you go back a page you can see that I'm not even a huge fan of the existence of bowsette_meme; I don't think that it's necessary. I'm still of the opinion that super_crown should suffice.
Ugandan_knuckles, on the other hand doesn't have a super_crown equivalent, we don't have tags to describe an alternate version of a character who is shorter and also no longer has a neck and is kinda a weird round guy.

SharkFetish said:

Why is okay alias Bowsette to Bowser and then have a Bowsette_meme tag buut not alias ugandan_knuckles to knuckles and have an ugandan_knuckles_meme tag?

We're 11 admins, we have currently 540,248 unique tags at the time of writing, all users are allowed to make new tags.

I wasn't even aware that ugandan_knuckles is a tag until you pointed it out, and the same is going to be true for many other tags in existence.

NotMeNotYou said:
We're 11 admins, we have currently 540,248 unique tags at the time of writing, all users are allowed to make new tags.

I wasn't even aware that ugandan_knuckles is a tag until you pointed it out, and the same is going to be true for many other tags in existence.

*gasp!*

You mean you're HUMAN and not some omniscient digital god?

Wow.

(please remember to keep it chill guys. even if the tag is 'wrong' that doesn't mean we need to get upset about it. Discussion is great--we make mistakes sometimes... but the solution that's good right NOW might not be good in 3 hours, 2 days or 3 months.

We can still keep working towards good ideas, but relax a bit. We promise we have the best interests of the site in mind. We want to work towards the best solution and we're not afraid to change our solution if it's not working--as already proven early on in this thread.

So just... relax okay? <3

darryus said:
All of those (sans zero_suit_fox) have reasons to exist.
Princess_koopa needs to continue to exist until we have a proper tag for whatever the species of the character is (see here) and until then information would be lost if it was removed.

Super_sonic

and peachette exist in cannon and have cannon names, furthermore, what would you tag a picture of Super Sonic, alternate_color?

Shygirl

has problems that exist inherently because of the tagging system; shygirls aren't always considered humanoids, so humanoidized won't always apply and they're not always considered humans so humanized wouldn't always apply either. In additon to this, as far as we know shyguys aren't an all male species, so crossgender dosn't make sense, just like you wouldn't tag a male ladybug with crossgender just because "lady" is in the name.

Princess_koopa is just koopa peach though? Get rid of the tag, it's just alternate_species and we don't tag those as characters. We tag fan canon like pinkamena so what's the problem with tagging this fan character? Super_sonic is literally just sonic copying the super_saiyan transformation from Dragonball. So yes, if we're being pedantic tag it as general:super_sonic_form and alternate_color. burning_blaze this exists too. I'm sure there are a dozen other sonic transformations of the same format. I'll concede on shygirl, because I had to look pretty hard if shyguy had a canon gender or not and I'll agree it's a standing issue with the tag system. If you're going to reply me acknowledge the second half of my post. Why should we have to use 3 tags that aren't even consistently applied or applicable to search or blacklist a character? What about you removing the tag which from what I inferred is to be used as a blanket tag for the super crown transformation of characters?

super_crown -bowsette_meme
Some of these are even Bowser. I guess this isn't part of the super crown meme because we arbitrarily decided what the meme is? crownette_(scorci) This is literally the super crown wearing a super crown. I guess it isn't part of the meme either. What about the issue of bowsette_meme implying super_crown when there aren't even super crowns pictured?

My two biggest issues are 1) using the bowsette_meme tag to describe the character but keeping it as a general tag with an altered name to deny it's a character and 2) bowsette_meme implying super_crown which causes a tag to be invalidly applied.
I don't care what we settle on but causing tag problems and making searching/blacklisting harder should be avoided. I think we should just do what danbooru did, and while I know our policy differs from them they seem to have this sorted out.

Blind_Guardian said:
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The issues with using koopa alternate_species princess_peach instead of princess_koopa is that at the moment, you will get a mixed bag with super_crown bowser while this meme is ongoing, and also that princess_koopa does not imply peach but any alt. species that is "koopafied". I think it makes finding this specific group easier, while for the bowser meme having it be a normal tag instead of a character is going to fly under some posters radar.

With the popularity of this meme, Nintendo might post something about it in the future, so I mostly agree with

NotMeNotYou said:
… super_crown is a power up that can be used by every playable character. As such we're likely going to see more transformations as more trailers / teasers are released. This would simply make it future proof, so to speak.

EDIT: also danbooru appears to add a new character tag for each popular transformation with boo, and chain chomp .

miste~t said:
The issues with using koopa alternate_species princess_peach instead of princess_koopa is that at the moment, you will get a mixed bag with super_crown bowser while this meme is ongoing, and also that princess_koopa does not imply peach but any alt. species that is "koopafied". I think it makes finding this specific group easier, while for the bowser meme having it be a normal tag instead of a character is going to fly under some posters radar.

With the popularity of this meme, Nintendo might post something about it in the future, so I mostly agree with

My point was if we aren't tagging bowsette, we shouldn't tag princess koopa. Maybe I should have added a note saying I don't think we should actually get rid of the tag because I'm for more character tags.

darryus said:
A fallacy is a fallacy is a fallacy, nothing is going to make it a stronger argument.

Almost no other booru has a tagging system as large, as intricate, and as well maintained as e6, they need these tags.

EDIT: Also what's with the fucking "you" language? Are you no longer considering yourself part of the community? Does that mean that you're going to leave and I might have a brief respite from having to argue against the same point over and over or literal fallacies?

Fallacy does not mean the point is invalid, it just means the argument was built wrong. Youre falling for the fallacy fallacy youre really not doing better here.

Demesejha said:
Fallacy does not mean the point is invalid, it just means the argument was built wrong. Youre falling for the fallacy fallacy youre really not doing better here.

No, the Fallacy Fallacy is assuming that the entire argument is false (in this case we're talking about the need for the existence of bowsette) because a fallacious statement was used to support that argument.

I'm not saying just because Dyrone tries to support his opinion with fallacies that there's no valid points to be made here. I'm just saying that the fallacies aren't valid arguments.

Seeing the volume of posts with this character and the surprising amount of concordance in depiction and name, I would like to change my vote to instead support the use of the Bowsette tag to describe a character that is essentially Princess Peach with horns and a reptilian tail.

The name doesn't make sense (it should be Peachser) and this is a slight exception to the e6 rules but I think usability should be prioritized here.

You can't alias bowsette to any set of tags, because it's actually a defined character. Even using "bowser super_crown humanized crossgender" will give you false positives if, for example, you have a normal bowser and a yoshi wearing a super crown. Anything less, and you allow even more mistakes. Just "bowser super_crown" would allow all pictures with normal bowser and a super crown, even if no character is actually wearing it (or it's worn by any other character).

The bowsette_meme tag has its own set of problems, in that it's technically describing a phenomenon of anything related to the meme (all other thansformations that look like peachette should be included, or alternate versions of the original comic). You can use it as a proxy for bowsette, but it's confusing to users, both when searching and tagging submissions.

You don't know when the meme will die down, but while it's hot, you want people to be able to easily find what they're looking for, and they're primarily looking for bowsette. Honestly, the "bowsette" tag is defined well enough for me by "fan transformation of bowser using the super crown, human with horns and tail". When/if Nintendo adds their own official version, depending on the name, you'll either add a new character tag for the official one, or (if they use bowsette) change the fan version to bowsette(meme) or bowsette(fan).

Having a separate character tag for bowsette also allows people to easily search for non-bowsette super crown transformations by searching for super_crown_transformation -bowsette. Other super crown transformations shouldn't have their own tags because of the difference in popularity and not being in the original comic (making them fan versions based on a fan version).

Speaking of, I'd suggest having 2 separate tags for super_crown and super_crown_transformation (as it's been mentioned that a transformed character might be shown without the crown, and a super crown doesn't necessarily imply a transformation if it's not worn). Alternatively, use super_crown_transformation instead of super_crown (as the super crown by itself without transforming a character isn't really something someone would be searching for on e621 unless there's an image that has a super crown as the object of the picture) to tag images with transformed characters without the super crown visible.

mck said:
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Working down -> up
there is a sort of difference for super_crown and bowsette_meme, there are some non-bowser pics using bowsette_meme tag, since it is kinda the meme using a crown for a peach-body. More work could be put into this.

To claim that other characters shouldn't have tags, but king_boo is becoming somewhat popular, so there might have to be an "amount of popularity" for a tag to be made, and bowsette would easily have one at this point.

It's easy to just super_crown -bowser since the appearance of the crown w/o tf is kinda low, or maybe just tag your crown tf's as actual transformation or alternate_species. It's not guaranteed Nintendo will make an official Bowsette, they are kinda a weird company (see cloud saving on switch).

I admit I agree with Blind Guardian, having a character tag might not be a bad things, it might be an issue tagging all... 350~ posts appropriately.

On the other hand it is just peach but with horns and a tail so I'm not to fond of the bandwagon, moth memes are cooler.

miste~t said:
*snip*

I'm pretty sure that bowsette_meme really was only meant to apply to posts containg Bowser specifically, the only reason it dosn't imply bowser is because people were adding it to non-bowser posts before we could even decide if it ought to be used, and we didn't want posts without Bowser to be tagged bowser.

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Should power-up_transformation be a tag? I feel like this would be a good general tag for situations like this, as well as situations with other power-ups like the Super Leaf.

At this point, it really should be a new character tag.
With a wiki page saying it's fan character based off bowser.

bowsette or koopahime or whatever, just not bowser.

Using the same tag for this and for the original Bowser helps exactly no-one and complicates search queries.

All that I need to know is whether or not to tag characters other than 'Bowsette' with the bowsette meme tag since they more or less are part of the meme, but not Bowser him/herself.

darryus said:
EDIT: Also what's with the fucking "you" language? Are you no longer considering yourself part of the community?

"you" as in the owners/operators of the site...and yes I don't consider myself one of those people. I assume they are interested in pageviews because pageviews generate money. My point was by not simply using the character tag Bowsette you make people think you don't have any more Bowsette on the site and they'll leave to find it elsewhere...you could say "well they will sift through the general tags and find the bowsette_meme tag!" However I've learned never to underestimate the laziness of users.

leomole said:
Seeing the volume of posts with this character and the surprising amount of concordance in depiction and name, I would like to change my vote to instead support the use of the Bowsette tag to describe a character that is essentially Princess Peach with horns and a reptilian tail.

hslugs said:
At this point, it really should be a new character tag.

Nice to see some peeps agreeing with me :p

I normally lurk and I didn't know about this meme until about an hour ago, but I think Bowsette should have the 'Bowsette' character tag.

If the character wasn't a transformation of bowser (ex: if it was bowser's wife) then it would have a character tag. That means it's currently tagging based on what we know, not what we see.

Kyiiel said:

If the character wasn't a transformation of bowser (ex: if it was bowser's wife) then it would have a character tag. That means it's currently tagging based on what we know, not what we see.

....
How does introducing a 'bowsette' character tag solve that? Characters are already TWYK and so is crossgender (which bowsette_meme falls into).

On a different aspect of the problem, do people who are searching for bowser want to find bowsette_meme content, or to not find bowsette_meme content? For the former case, it would be logical to imply it to crossgender bowser and inappropriate to have a separate tag, and for the latter case, not imply it and appropriate to have a separate tag.

Kyiiel said:
I normally lurk and I didn't know about this meme until about an hour ago, but I think Bowsette should have the 'Bowsette' character tag.

If the character wasn't a transformation of bowser (ex: if it was bowser's wife) then it would have a character tag. That means it's currently tagging based on what we know, not what we see.

Character names are already "What we know." Always have been and always will be. Otherwise, the character field would be useless.

savageorange said:
On a different aspect of the problem, do people who are searching for bowser want to find bowsette_meme content, or to not find bowsette_meme content? For the former case, it would be logical to imply it to crossgender bowser and inappropriate to have a separate tag, and for the latter case, not imply it and appropriate to have a separate tag.

When NMNY suggested the creation of bowsette_meme he did suggest that it be implicated to `bowser` but the tag kept getting added to super_crown posts that didn't contain Bowser, and to avoid all the mess tha'd end up creating the bowser implication wasn't implemented.

Although crossgender wasn't suggested it'd probably have similar problems, like if bowsette_meme was added to posts of like random mooks getting transformed by the crown, like a goomba or chain chomp or something.

I'm not terribly involved in all this talk about how to implicate or alias Bowsette or whatnot, but today Ars Technica posted this article about Nintendo actually having created their own Bowsette during the production of Super Mario Odyssey, as shown in an official art book that's been released this week in Japan.

BooruHitomi said:
...Ars Technica posted this article.

>Nintendo reveals it invented “Bowsette” before the Internet did

Because before this last week no one had ever drawn Bowser as a girl.

Okay, it's been four days and I see no progress has been made in this "discussion" whatsoever. Might I make a suggestion then that Bowsette be added as a general tag instead of as a character tag like with zero suit fox? That way people who come here looking for Bowsette can just search bowsette and find what they're looking for without needing to using the Bowser+crossgender+super_crown combination. And the people who come here looking for regular Bowser will see everything, Also, if they DON'T want to see Bowsette in particular they can blacklist the bowsette general tag so they would only see regular bowser, Is this a good enough solution?

vladtet909 said:
Okay, it's been four days and I see no progress has been made in this "discussion" whatsoever. Might I make a suggestion then that Bowsette be added as a general tag instead of as a character tag like with zero suit fox? That way people who come here looking for Bowsette can just search bowsette and find what they're looking for without needing to using the Bowser+crossgender+super_crown combination. And the people who come here looking for regular Bowser will see everything, Also, if they DON'T want to see Bowsette in particular they can blacklist the bowsette general tag so they would only see regular bowser, Is this a good enough solution?

???

That's already how it's currently working.

darryus said:
???

That's already how it's currently working.

Except its not. Because it was aliased away to "Bowsette_Meme" instead for no reasonable reason.

darryus said:
???

That's already how it's currently working.

Uh no it's not, it's aliased to Bowsette_meme like Demesejha said. Also Bowsette_meme implies not only Bowsette, but every other Mario Character affected by the Super Crown. Has it really been aliased that much that people can't even keep track of what the tag is actually covering?

vladtet909 said:
Uh no it's not, it's aliased to Bowsette_meme like Demesejha said. Also Bowsette_meme implies not only Bowsette, but every other Mario Character affected by the Super Crown. Has it really been aliased that much that people can't even keep track of what the tag is actually covering?

is supposed to be only for Bowser, read the wiki, otherwise it'd just be a redundant tag since super_crown would be the same exact thing.

If it's added to characters other than Bowser, remove it. It dosn't seem like any of the dedicated taggers want to deal with it right now, since we have other tagging projects we'd probably rather be working on. We talked about it a page back.

darryus said:
Bowsette_meme is supposed to be only for Bowser, read the wiki, otherwise it'd just be a redundant tag since super_crown would be the same exact thing.

If it's added to characters other than Bowser, remove it. It dosn't seem like any of the dedicated taggers want to deal with it right now, since we have other tagging projects we'd probably rather be working on. We talked about it a page back.

Its almost like you don't read.

vladtet909 said:
Might I make a suggestion then that Bowsette be added as a general tag

It didnt NEED to be a problem but the way this has been handled has MADE it a problem.

darryus said:
Bowsette_meme is supposed to be only for Bowser, read the wiki, otherwise it'd just be a redundant tag since super_crown would be the same exact thing.

If it's added to characters other than Bowser, remove it. It dosn't seem like any of the dedicated taggers want to deal with it right now, since we have other tagging projects we'd probably rather be working on. We talked about it a page back.

Okay hold up, Why does the tag need to be Bowsette_meme then?
The literal Wiki entry, which I assume someone in this conversation chain made when the tags were first aliased reads as follows: "A meme featuring a crossgender version of the character Bowser who has used the Super Crown power up and turned into a somewhat humanoid female akin to Peach and Daisy in much the same way Toadette turns into "Peachette"."
Why can't you just cut off the first three words of that entry and make it a Character tag or Hell even a general tag that reads as "A crossgender version of the character Bowser who has used the Super Crown power up and turned into a somewhat humanoid female." I just can't wrap my head around why in a sea of 500,000 Tags you all are acting like 1 more is going to destroy everything. In fact, you all are adding even more tags than are needed by having "Bowsette, Koopahime and Peachser" all aliased to the Bowsette_meme tag When just Bowsette works fine. If you don't want to treat it like a different character than just make Bowsette a general tag instead of a character tag.
This shouldn't be this hard to figure out. I've been on this site almost everyday since 2011. This is BY FAR the most controversy I've seen surround a single characters tag.

And before anyone says "what about the other Peach-ified characters?" That's what the Super_Crown tag is for.

Demesejha said:
Its almost like you don't read.

It didnt NEED to be a problem but the way this has been handled has MADE it a problem.

The only difference is the name of the tag in functionality bowsette_meme and having bowsette as a general tag have no difference. If we did have bowsette as a general tag we'd have just as many people adding it to non-bowser posts as we have the same happen with bowsette_meme, I mean, peeps were adding zero_suit_fox to posts of like Wolf and Renamon, and that wasn't even a general tag.

The difference here is that no one feels like fixing it.

EDIT:

vladtet909 said:
*snip*

We don't create new character tags for alternate forms of characters, and instead of making an exception we made a compromise, bowsette_meme was that compromise.

I think the tag's dumb. I don't see a real need for a tag other than super_crown, but I respect NMNY, and he probably made the best decision.

All right, imagine for a second you were thirsty for Bowsette porn after first hearing of the meme. You're redirected to e621 by someone on a message board or Reddit. You enter Bowsette in the search bar, what does it give you? A wiki entry for Bowsette_meme. on that page it shows the 10 most recent posts tagged as Bowsette meme but nowhere on that Wiki entry can you click Bowsette meme to be redirected to it. No, instead the on the wiki entry the only tags that link you to an actual search are: all the tags in recent changes side bar, meme, crossgender, bowser, Super_crown, Peach, Daisy, Toadette and Peachette.
What I'm trying to highlight here is that someone coming in fresh to e621 might not know you need to enter Bowsette_meme in order to search for what they originally, or at least in this example, the reason they came to the site in the first place.

vladtet909 said:
All right, imagine for a second you were thirsty for Bowsette porn after first hearing of the meme. You're redirected to e621 by someone on a message board or Reddit. You enter Bowsette in the search bar, what does it give you? A wiki entry for Bowsette_meme. on that page it shows the 10 most recent posts tagged as Bowsette meme but nowhere on that Wiki entry can you click Bowsette meme to be redirected to it. No, instead the on the wiki entry the only tags that link you to an actual search are: all the tags in recent changes side bar, meme, crossgender, bowser, Super_crown, Peach, Daisy, Toadette and Peachette.
What I'm trying to highlight here is that someone coming in fresh to e621 might not know you need to enter Bowsette_meme in order to search for what they originally, or at least in this example, the reason they came to the site in the first place.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you. You don't need to type in "bowsette_meme", bowsette works perfectly fine, that's how aliases work, that's the entire point of an alias, to make it easier to search and easier to tag.

It's also incorrect that it would bring you to a wiki article, regardless of whether it was aliased. That's just not what the main search (front page entry field / "Posts" sidebar field / DuckDuckGo "!e621 <tag>", etc..) does. You'd have to explicitly go to the wiki search in order to end up at a wiki article.

darryus said:
I'm not sure if I'm understanding you. You don't need to type in "bowsette_meme", bowsette works perfectly fine, that's how aliases work, that's the entire point of an alias, to make it easier to search and easier to tag.

savageorange said:
It's also incorrect that it would bring you to a wiki article, regardless of whether it was aliased. That's just not what the main search (front page entry field / "Posts" sidebar field / DuckDuckGo "!e621 <tag>", etc..) does. You'd have to explicitly go to the wiki search in order to end up at a wiki article.

Okay, that was my bad. Usually I search by using Google Chromes search bar on the top of the by entering e621.net/post/index/1/ + whatever character or tag I was looking for because that's just what's easier for me. And as I searched it up prior to making my comment I accidentally went to the Bowsette_meme Wiki page instead of of the search results.
That's all one me, I made that comment without making sure of what page I was on. And I made myself look foolish. You're both right and I was wrong about the search results.

Fair enough.

Chrome (and Firefox) have a keyword system for that kind of thing, FWIW (so you can type eg e6 bowsette in the url bar). In Chrome it seems you set it up by editing the list of Search Engines.

i just want to say (even though i've only read the first page), most of the arguments could have been solved by the stating on 1 policy.
"tag what you see."
i mean, yes the character is called bowsette, but that's not always the case. so in that case, it's better to take the high road and avoid it all together so that way there isn't a tagging war.

impididinkadoo said:
Yeah, there's not really a consistent design; the most COMMON one is certainly the blond haired, pale skin one, but I've seen a good chunk with dark skin, with red hair, and even in a more half anthro half humanoid form as darryus said.

notwhatyouexpected said:
i mean, yes the character is called bowsette, but that's not always the case. so in that case, it's better to take the high road and avoid it all together so that way there isn't a tagging war.

AsI understand that , those are either derivatives or completely different designs. All of them are transgender bowsers, so tags inho are correct.
Last one linked was a shameless recolor of someone's else work. That's a version of Princess Bowser, the very first idea of that.
Bowsette is a character name, where the character also had gained a different personality. The king Bowser all but died there. An anime-ish yandere girl wearing armor and removable backpack-like shell. Not very princess-y. Non-anthro, unlike the Princess. The personality difference probably would be hard to tag, that'd be TWYK. That Bowsette design belongs to particular comic artist and is used with permission by another artist.

swiftkill said:
AsI understand that , those are either derivatives or completely different designs. All of them are transgender bowsers, so tags inho are correct.
Last one linked was a shameless recolor of someone's else work. That's a version of Princess Bowser, the very first idea of that.
Bowsette is a character name, where the character also had gained a different personality. The king Bowser all but died there. An anime-ish yandere girl wearing armor and removable backpack-like shell. Not very princess-y. Non-anthro, unlike the Princess. The personality difference probably would be hard to tag, that'd be TWYK. That Bowsette design belongs to particular comic artist and is used with permission by another artist.

No worries, we've resolved this already, so—

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— Sorry.

clawstripe said:
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— Sorry.

Yeay, meme tag as general one too. That's started as meme at least.
Heh, I was looking for Pencil's Bowsette here and that comic is nowhere around,but only mentions in comment\forums. They originally posted that and Pie family comic on tumblr before Great Exodus of policy change. Afaik tumblr's AI deleted it.

Should be near-identical to sem-l-grim's , only more detailed and colored.

looking at the mess that is the meme tag reminded me that bowsette_meme exists, and, 5 years later, we still have posts with characters who are not Bowser getting this tag added to them...

I feel like we ought to reexamine the decisions around this situation. maybe bowsette should be considered a valid character tag, I think the best argument for this position is just that cosplay exists. I think the overall "no character tags for fan-created forms of characters" standard is potentially untenable, we really probably should have tags for any design that's unique enough to be recognized as its own thing. we have already started to tag recognizable fan-created 3d models, so doing this doesn't seem like much of a leap.

also, how did no one think to have a tag for this phenomenon overall? it's been 5 years since this all blew up and we don't have some sort of princessification general tag?

sipothac said:
looking at the mess that is the meme tag reminded me that bowsette_meme exists, and, 5 years later, we still have posts with characters who are not Bowser getting this tag added to them...

I feel like we ought to reexamine the decisions around this situation. maybe bowsette should be considered a valid character tag, I think the best argument for this position is just that cosplay exists. I think the overall "no character tags for fan-created forms of characters" standard is potentially untenable, we really probably should have tags for any design that's unique enough to be recognized as its own thing. we have already started to tag recognizable fan-created 3d models, so doing this doesn't seem like much of a leap.

also, how did no one think to have a tag for this phenomenon overall? it's been 5 years since this all blew up and we don't have some sort of princessification general tag?

Supporting your point is that moushley did become a valid character tag. Even more recently rigbette popped off and so far nobody seemed to mind.

Maybe we should agree on a threshold for fan-created forms from which on they can be considered taggable. If I remember correctly the moushley meme was also about to be aliased away, but then it kept growing and growing, so it was kept.

If we were to create a princessification tag (what I support) I think we should make it clear that a character wearing the super_crown alone is not enough to tag princessification or implied_transformation.