What happened to Haiiromon? He had one of the best Gatomon on the internet and he just nuked all his art. Does anyone have an archive to all his art?

https://e621.net/takedown/show/8490
https://inkbunny.net/j/344373

No specific reason given.

I hope someone made an archive. So much good art gone to waste.

Frinter said:
I hope someone made an archive. So much good art gone to waste.

Sometimes, things happen, and we just don't want to share our stuff any more.

CCoyote said:
Sometimes, things happen, and we just don't want to share our stuff any more.

But this is just unfair to his fans. He didn't even give any warnings.

Frinter said:
But this is just unfair to his fans. He didn't even give any warnings.

Funny thing about it, that's part of the problem for some artists. The fans make it all about them, like the artist doesn't matter.

Frinter said:
But this is just unfair to his fans. He didn't even give any warnings.

The artist owes his fans nothing.^*

_{^* Outstanding commission works or other contractual obligations not withstanding.}

Frinter said:
But this is just unfair to his fans. He didn't even give any warnings.

they were the one who invested countless hours on creating the artwork, and they are the one who can rightfully decide whether or not the art is on public display. fans are not the ones who have the right to decide if the art remains for them to consume. artist are under no obligation to alert the fans so they could save the art and keep viewing it even though artist clearly doesnt want the art on display anymore.

Frinter said:
I hope someone made an archive. So much good art gone to waste.

They did not want their art posted anymore.

If a friend brings a game over to your house, then decides to leave and take his game with him, that's his choice. If you complain about how the rest of the day is 'wasted' as a result, your mother would tell you that you're being very rude.

It is his art. it's his choice. If you think someone has 'the best' something, save it to your own computer while it's available. and while you're at it, appreciate them. Let them know you like their art. Like and comment -- on the websites where they post. not just on e6.

CCoyote said:
Funny thing about it, that's part of the problem for some artists. The fans make it all about them, like the artist doesn't matter.

You are right. We fans are just bunch of scumbags who writes nasty comments under their art and do not pay for their work via commissions, paypal or patreon.

What are you going to write next? That I am a spoiled brat who cries over a spilled milk? Maybe that's true, but atleast I cared enough for the milk to cry about (and the milk stain will just fade away without a single trace, never to seen again).

Frinter said:
a bunch of passive-aggressive stuff.

I never wrote any of that. Instead of responding with sarcasm and putting words in my mouth, try taking responsibility for your thoughts, attitudes, and actions, and the impact they have on others.

Frinter said:
You are right. We fans are just bunch of scumbags who writes nasty comments under their art and do not pay for their work via commissions, paypal or patreon.

What are you going to write next? That I am a spoiled brat who cries over a spilled milk? Maybe that's true, but atleast I cared enough for the milk to cry about (and the milk stain will just fade away without a single trace, never to seen again).

If someone owns a cow, and milks it, they are free to do with the milk as they see fit.
If they want to pour it down a drain it's their choice, and their choice alone. There is no obligation that the cow owner has to share or sell it.

Frinter said:
You are right. We fans are just bunch of scumbags who writes nasty comments under their art and do not pay for their work via commissions, paypal or patreon.

If you paid for a commission and received it, then they have no further obligation.
If you gave them a gift via paypal, then they have no obligation to you.
If you supported them via patreon, the patreon clearly stated what you were paying for each month. You have paid for it, and received it.

They. have. no. further. obligation.

They are saying "this has been nice, but I'm done now." They're not asking for any further money or support or comments. they literally want the opposite of that.

NotMeNotYou said:
If someone owns a cow, and milks it, they are free to do with the milk as they see fit.
If they want to pour it down a drain it's their choice, and their choice alone. There is no obligation that the cow owner has to share or sell it.

Honestly, this is the line that most of the administration takes, but I don't see it quite like that. Or, well...

Let me continue the cow analogy. Say that I own a cow. I milk the cow, and I share that milk with my neighbors. This goes on for a long time.

Suddenly, one day, I decide that I'm not going to give them any more milk. I am completely within my rights to do this, and they should appreciate that I've been giving them the milk all this time, even if I choose not to anymore. They don't have the right to demand the milk from me, and so on.

However, those neighbors absolutely do have the right to be confused over my actions. They have the right to ask why I decided to stop. I'm not obligated to answer, but it would be courteous to do so, given what has occurred up to this point.

Creating art is personal, but posting it publicly creates, in some way or another, a relationship with your audience. Choosing to make that art no longer publicly available is a change of that relationship, and I think it is reasonable that people who have been involved with that relationship do have some justification in feeling they ought to at least be told why things are changing.

This is how basically every relationship in the world works. If two people are friends, and then suddenly one "ghosts" the other, yes, that is rude. If I decide to quit work suddenly, my boss has the right to ask why. If two people are in a romantic relationship, and one of them suddenly decides it's over, the other person will feel hurt.

In none of these circumstances is an explanation required, and there may be good reasons, in some cases, to not give one. But not giving one will result in people feeling hurt, and it is wrong to act as though their feelings are invalid.

Publicly sharing art is a minor connection between people, but it is not a special connection, that has unique rules. It is the same as any other set of interactions.

Clawdragons said:
However, those neighbors absolutely do have the right to be confused over my actions. They have the right to ask why I decided to stop. I'm not obligated to answer, but it would be courteous to do so, given what has occurred up to this point.

I mean, thanks for making the philosophical point, but materially, it doesn't really change anything in this situation, does it?

https://inkbunny.net/j/344446-haiiromon-sorry
https://inkbunny.net/j/344522-haiiromon-o-o
doing a quick google and looks like the person is coming back and reposting their art, suggest thread lock as nothing to see anymore

Clawdragons said:
However, those neighbors absolutely do have the right to be confused over my actions. They have the right to ask why I decided to stop. I'm not obligated to answer, but it would be courteous to do so, given what has occurred up to this point.

I actually agree with this -- however, that's not really what's happening here. The first post is "does anyone have an archive of his art?" Which basically says "I don't really care about the artist, just getting access to the art."

And OP doubled down on this, repeatedly. He's given no indication that he cares at all about the artist -- just that his gatomon pussy has been taken down and he hadn't saved it.

In none of these circumstances is an explanation required, and there may be good reasons, in some cases, to not give one. But not giving one will result in people feeling hurt, and it is wrong to act as though their feelings are invalid.

These feelings are valid!

Just... at the same time, I am getting uncomfortable reminders of dating as a teenager. "I bought you dinner/gave you a present/said something nice to you, you OWE me something." -- and gosh, that just isn't true. Not in dating, and not between artists and fans.

A good bye or a farewell is always nice, but usually, when someone gets to that point, there's a good reason for it... for example. looking at Haiiromon's FA posts, it seems like they probably had a mental breakdown of some sort. you don't always thing clearly in those moments. I know I've lashed out at dear friends while upset. It happens. Emotions are hard.

Yet... *looks up at the first few posts*... there's no concern about the artist. Just the art.

I feel no motivation to try and give this person answers. they just care about the fact that they have to buy their own milk now. They don't care if my cow is dead, or if I'm sick, or if the bucket broke, or if the cow escaped. They just want the milk.

SnowWolf said:
I actually agree with this -- however, that's not really what's happening here. The first post is "does anyone have an archive of his art?" Which basically says "I don't really care about the artist, just getting access to the art."

And OP doubled down on this, repeatedly. He's given no indication that he cares at all about the artist -- just that his gatomon pussy has been taken down and he hadn't saved it.

I should have made it clear, but I was saying this more in response to a general attitude among some users of "the artist doesn't owe you any explanation" and not so much in response to this particular topic, because I agree with you, OP is doing the equivalent of saying "How dare you stop giving me milk?" - which I tried to make clear, is not an attitude that I support in the slightest.

I should have been more clear that I was responding specifically to the issue of an artist not giving any explanation and that my comments ought not be construed as it being at all acceptable to demand access to art which has been taken down. It was a tangential point, and so it was my fault for not being clear in what exactly it was I was addressing. I apologize.

Clawdragons said:
I should have made it clear, but I was saying this more in response to a general attitude among some users of "the artist doesn't owe you any explanation" and not so much in response to this particular topic, because I agree with you, OP is doing the equivalent of saying "How dare you stop giving me milk?" - which I tried to make clear, is not an attitude that I support in the slightest.

I should have been more clear that I was responding specifically to the issue of an artist not giving any explanation and that my comments ought not be construed as it being at all acceptable to demand access to art which has been taken down. It was a tangential point, and so it was my fault for not being clear in what exactly it was I was addressing. I apologize.

No apology needed. I did get the feeling you were speaking more generally than about this specific circumstance... but I wanted to focus on it, to try and illustrate the difference for OP, before he assumed you were taking his side. :) Maybe he'll learn. Maybe he won't. I hope he does. Or that soemone does, anyway. :) Maybe someone, one day, will read this exchange and a lightbulb will go off.

That'd be nice. :)

Frinter said:
You are right. We fans are just bunch of scumbags who writes nasty comments under their art and do not pay for their work via commissions, paypal or patreon.

What are you going to write next? That I am a spoiled brat who cries over a spilled milk? Maybe that's true, but atleast I cared enough for the milk to cry about (and the milk stain will just fade away without a single trace, never to seen again).

Weeeeeell, someone got defensive, didn't they?

Sorry, but just because you are inconvenienced by something doesn't mean the inconvenience is "unfair."

NotMeNotYou said:
If someone owns a cow, and milks it, they are free to do with the milk as they see fit.
If they want to pour it down a drain it's their choice, and their choice alone. There is no obligation that the cow owner has to share or sell it.

This is a false equivalence because wasting food for the sake of wasting food is a bit of a scummy thing to do when put in the context of hunger. This is different from art which is a luxury resource; you're not going to die because some artist decides to purge his own art.

(For sake of clarification, I do think the wholesale destruction of one's portfolio is generally a bad idea and a bit of a jerk thing to do even if you have the right to do it.)

You know, without spreading drama, the endless supply of artists who are going to draw lewd Gatomon are not going diminish all of a sudden. Heck, I may even draw some of that sexy cat thang myself~

So don't worry about it! It does really suck when you are a fan of someone any they leave. I totally get that, even though I may be a bit biased or a hypocrite, considering I'm an artist who's almost done the same!

I've had to leave Websites myself too, because they don't share my same viewpoint on the approval of cub porn, so fuck 'em~ Sometimes the furry fanbase can feel too much like high-school levels of intelligence with shitty, anti-social, bratty/ignorant attitudes that can really get on people's nerves.

Oops, there's that mention of Internet drama again. But I know I am right. So many furries have made videos like this really explaining why they don't like the fandom. I'm also a furry, and I also can't stand most of the fandom, BUT I am NOT a closet furry. I go to a furry conventions--conventions are cool. So I try to make friends who like me, and who I like back, and stay in my own furry social group(s). I've always been a free-thinker~ Ahm, anyway, some artists eventually come up with a logical argument that... if they're not paying me, or making me feel comfortable, why do my fans in general deserve it?

Nobody leaves nice feedback on art anymore, or no comments at all, like a barren wasteland of tumbleweeds--Artists get ignored, and everybody moves on and waits for the next big fucking thing for you to draw, and you hope that it's a good hit... for another week... It's just a part of this furry artist life, it seems.

However, now I've see past all the social bullshit, and focus on what's more important in my REAL life, as well as the sexy art~ I always treat my fans as happily as I can, but I do not ask for much in return. An artist should always be happy drawing art for themselves, as I do, and also be comfortable sharing it. That's the bottom line, for me at least~

Well, he's back anyway, so nvm. *Shruggles*

If you like something, save it & back it up. This simple principle can not be overstressed in today's age. The internet offers high connectivity and chance for distribution, but it is still iffy in terms of preservation.

And with how there seems to be a trend towards cracking down on porn and the like, saving&backing up becomes even more important.

As for the artist-fans relationship, imo you should draw art primarily for yourself (out of enjoyment and for sustenance if needed). If you amass a large fan following it is a nice indicator of the side effect of your art making other people happy. How much interaction there is depends primarily on the artist.

In this case it was withinn the full right of Haiiromon to nuke their art without giving any rationale, it's hurtfull and maybe impolite, but they have that right. If it is a problem, refer to the save & back up.