So, Star covers both the giant balls of gas glowing billions of miles away... and this shape: ★

and I feel like that's just not really right.

we've got:

and I'm gonna stop there because that is less-than 1 page of tags, and there are 7 pages.

also included: shooting_stars, star_background, star_gazing, starry_night, starry_eyed and a positively sinful number of one or two use tags and typos.

Surely we can do better.

Most of it's not too bad--just squishing redundant tags together, and some manual clean up of the under 50 crowd.

it's mostly the starry_sky, starscape, spacescape, starry_background that needs a bit of ironing out

as well as the whole ball of gas/star-shaped gemetric object thang.

Or something.

discuss.

was that a lion king reference

Ratte said:
was that a lion king reference

post #84395

Well, we are made of star stuff. :3

Starscape should be sorted out to spacescape and starry_sky. Since spacescape is better established and has clearer usage.

Starry_background should probably only be tagged for star patterns (not for skies or such), and used as a pattern_background subtag. That'd be consistent with how the *_background group is typically used.

So these are starry_background (or star_background, which might be the better name):
post #1228686 post #1012595 post #495361

furballs_dc said:
Well, we are made of star stuff. :3

Always one of my most favorite quote/concepts. <3

Genjar said:
Starscape should be sorted out to spacescape and starry_sky. Since spacescape is better established and has clearer usage.

Starry_background should probably only be tagged for star patterns (not for skies or such), and used as a pattern_background subtag. That'd be consistent with how the *_background group is typically used.

So these are starry_background (or star_background, which might be the better name):
post #1228686 post #1012595 post #495361

Agreed on all counts. Especially star_background. Maybe star_pattern_background to be fully clear.

How about the gas-ball vs. the star shape?

I mean, even past that.. you've got:

obviously we don't need tags for all of the those... but... ?

maybe star-objects and decoration-stars?

also, mario-stars seem to be tagged as star, and sparsley as power_star or super_star...

I think that's too much to sort out in one go. The star tag is massive.
I'd start by making something like star_(object) for holdable stars, such as Christmas decorations, etc. Maybe also a star_creature tag. (Starfy, etc. Not sure if that would include Staryu and starfish...)

Genjar said:
I think that's too much to sort out in one go. The star tag is massive.
I'd start by making something like star_(object) for holdable stars, such as Christmas decorations, etc. Maybe also a star_creature tag. (Not sure if that should include Staryu. ...probably?)

If star_(object) is for holdable stars, then what would be the tag for when an actual gaseous star is depicted in a space environment? A star in space is still an 'object', so you would have to use something like star_(stellar_object) for the real thing.
post #1425316 post #986570 post #412413

Genjar said:
I think that's too much to sort out in one go. The star tag is massive.

I know :(

But one must start somewhere.

Of course, who am I kidding? Iwon't go through all those. Not right now anyway. I just hate tagging pictures and tagging the "wrong" thing.

I'd start by making something like star_(object) for holdable stars, such as Christmas decorations, etc. Maybe also a star_creature tag. (Starfy, etc. Not sure if that would include Staryu and starfish...)

That's a pretty good idea. I dont' think staryu or starfish would count. It does lead to an interesting question -- is mario's powerstar a creature?

JAKXXX3 said:
If star_(object) is for holdable stars, then what would be the tag for when an actual gaseous star is depicted in a space environment? A star in space is still an 'object', so you would have to use something like star_(stellar_object) for the real thing.
post #1425316 post #986570 post #412413

For those, I'd tag 'sun' despite being technically inaccurate-ish.

And then there is Ristar, the living star.

https://e621.net/post/index/1/ristar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ristar

SnowWolf said:
That's a pretty good idea. I dont' think staryu or starfish would count. It does lead to an interesting question -- is mario's powerstar a creature?

Depends on how it is depicted, I suppose. The one in post #728519 is clearly a creature, at least.

...this makes me wonder if Jirachi would also count as star_creature.

post #1214432 post #684614 post #100197

Hrm. Not as clear-cut as I expected.

as far as the OP goes geometric shapes that are called stars could simply be covered under star_(shape) while the gaseous bodies in space fall under star_(astronomy) or star_(celestial)...
As both can be objects, the term object should not be used in ether tag.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_object

As far as the use of "sun", that could be a bit confusing if there are more then one star in close proximity, the far away specks of light in the background of space also are never addressed as suns in other fiction, if the term is used at all for anything other then the star in Sol then its always is for the gaseous body that is in close proximity only.

And star_(creature)[tagging format already used for creatures made of goo] for characters shaped like geometric stars, Jirachi is a star shaped creature (in my opinion) but like other aforementioned pokemon, anthropomorphic or humanoid versions of these pokemon would no longer be star shaped...

PS: Please keep in mind not all star shapes are five-pointed....

Darou said:
as far as the OP goes geometric shapes that are called stars could simply be covered under star_(shape) while the gaseous bodies in space fall under star_(astronomy) or star_(celestial)...
As both can be objects, the term object should not be used in ether tag.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_object[/quote]

fair--but also important to keep things taggable :)

As far as the use of "sun", that could be a bit confusing if there are more then one star in close proximity, the far away specks of light in the background of space also are never addressed as suns in other fiction, if the term is used at all for anything other then the star in Sol then its always is for the gaseous body that is in close proximity only.

the real problem is technially there's like.. 3 different "things" here that are the same object:

• The sun, in a cheery blue sky with fluffy white clouds
• The sun, as seen from in space, a flaming ball of fire.
• Stars, lots of far distant suns that are mostly pinpoints of light in our sky.

Not sure what the right answer is, but yeah.

And star_(creature)[tagging format already used for creatures made of goo] for characters shaped like geometric stars, Jirachi is a star shaped creature (in my opinion) but like other aforementioned pokemon, anthropomorphic or humanoid versions of these pokemon would no longer be star shaped...

well, assumably you'd only tag them if they happen to be star shaped at the time.

PS: Please keep in mind not all star shapes are five-pointed....

Also quite true!

I did a cursory sweep of the star tag and added the star_background to the ones that I spotted. Almost all of them were 5-pointed, so that's by far the most common one.

Also noted that the stars tend to be randomly placed in the background, so implicating it to pattern_background doesn't quite work.

SnowWolf said:

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winky/emotive stars	post #1444911 post #1436046

Noticed that these became extremely common around late 2015, pretty much nonexistent before that. I wonder what popularized it. Anyway, definitely common enough to tag, but I can't think of a good name. Could simply name it star_wink, I suppose.

Genjar said:
I did a cursory sweep of the star tag and added the star_background to the ones that I spotted. Almost all of them were 5-pointed, so that's by far the most common one.

Also noted that the stars tend to be randomly placed in the background, so implicating it to pattern_background doesn't quite work.

Belated but WHOO! Go you! :D Thanks! :D

Hm, it's closest relative, so to speak, would probably be something like spiral_background which is an abstract_background

Noticed that these became extremely common around late 2015, pretty much nonexistent before that. I wonder what popularized it. Anyway, definitely common enough to tag, but I can't think of a good name. Could simply name it star_wink, I suppose.

Whoa, tha'ts pretty crazy. I remember seeing those all over in like anime stuff for ages. weird. :)

Star_wink works for me, though! :D

I missed this thread.

As suggested, star_(shape) could hold all of the #-pointed star symbols, objects, text, whatever. It would have thousands of tags and represent the first ordered step in sorting shapes from celestial objects. Reminder about pentagram, pentacle, inverted_pentagram, and inverted_pentacle (questionable if inverted_penta* is worth tagging separately).

I don't think star_(object) is a good idea because people will have different ideas about what is an object. How much of the object must have a star shape to qualify for the tag? Do star graphic designs qualify an object for the tag? Too many questions that people will be inclined to answer differently.

For star designs on clothes and other random stuff, I recommend star_pattern. I created it, and it just has the one post so far (post #1421352). If the concentration of stars/whatever seems too low or otherwise inappropriate to warrant a _pattern tag (post #351113), then just tag star_(shape)/whatever itself.

I want to point out that, while patterns should repeat, distinguishing between repeating and random designs of like things IMO won't be very helpful when tagging or searching. In other words, I don't think people really care if a pattern repeats; rather, they just want to see a whatever-themed something. I would still limit pattern_background to true patterns because I believe that is precisely the point of the tag. However, striped_background implicates pattern_background, yet not all same-angle background stripes repeat in a pattern.

For sun vs star (celestial body), I think people already intuitively tag these appropriately most of the time. Perhaps:

Alternatively, tag sun when viewing a nearby star (orb, not a speck) from the surface of a planet, or tag star (celestial body) when viewing from space. Tag star for distant stars (specks).

For power_star vs star_creature + character count, I think you just have to tag on a per-case basis. Sometimes they will seem like mere objects. I guess their eyes make those inanimate_objects, which should not count toward character count if at all avoidable. Sometimes, though, power stars are given sentient expressions, and we need to decide if the creative liberties taken qualify those power stars as characters. So far I've tagged two posts with such power_mushrooms seeming to react to their environment (post #342450, post #974448), which I deemed enough to qualify as countable characters and deserving fungi_fauna as a matter of course.

Unfortunately, the logic used in one post for one such creature/object may not transfer to other posts with the same or similar creatures/objects, so contradictions seem to arise that make all this appear highly arbitrary and even random. Sometimes the solution that feels most correct, or otherwise "not wrong", doesn't reflect established or espoused conventions.

Currently ★ aliases to star
but the similar symbol ☆ aliases to star_marking. (☆ -> star suggestion at https://e621.net/forum/show/207872 )

suggest both aliases be undone and
★ and ☆ both alias to star_(disambiguation).

star_marking is a mix of
1) star-symbol(s) on fur,
2) star-symbol(s) in the air, examples: post #1578562 (also has star-eye), post #1515155 (above head in 4th panel), post #1493308 (on hat), post #1316967 (in speech bubble), and post #19513 (near top-left corner).
3) four-pointed symbols (sparkle ??) : post #1316994
4) post #1232838 for some reason (star-shape covering eye ???)

( post #1402199 has star marking, plus a star-shape object attached to collar.)

Suggest star_(marking) be the tag for star-symbols on fur or body (except for tattooes).

Currently we have one *(marking) alias:
gloves_(markings) -> gloves_(marking)

And of the most common shape-related(??) *marking* tags we have:

1) 12719 gloves_(marking) wiki
2) 10561 socks_(marking) wiki
3) 2508 fingerless_(marking) wiki
4) 1653 toeless_(marking) wiki
5) 681 mask_(marking) wiki
6) 643 mole_(marking) wiki
7) 370 heart_marking wiki
8) 193 whisker_markings wiki
9) 149 blaze_(marking) wiki
10) 140 <3_marking wiki (alias this and heart_marking (above) TO heart_(marking) ?)

(going to stop here, ignoring tags with less than 100 posts ... plus am sleepy.)

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Thread "Star disambiguation page?" at https://e621.net/forum/show/181152