SnowWolf said:
Oh I completely agree, but the gentleman was freaking out like websites would be shutting down tomorrow, instantly. WHich they won't. so if he wants to back things up, he has plenty of time to do it, so he should get started if he wants to. :)

If it's me, then alright.

cerberusmod_3 said:
You mean me?

Yes sir. You feelin' any better today?

Concerning the prospect of certain websites being outright banned, would services such as Tor (or said websites moving to .tor format) be of any help?

SnowWolf said:
Yes sir. You feelin' any better today?

Same.

Also, you forgot to read this.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Is this for real? Do the congress actually introduce a bill that could save Net Neutrality?

https://gazenart.deviantart.com/journal/HEY-NET-NEUTRALITY-NEWS-719929331

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/net-neutrality-vote-live-updates-ajit-pai-latest-meaning-date-blog-stream-internet-change-a8110236.html

They won. They’ve repealed Title II. This still has to go to the courts. We can only hope they shoot down this repeal.

Good thing i made a habit of downloading and storing all the porn that i like, now i just got to do the same with some texts on certain sites that i find interesting.

Also, suppose that all the ISP's really do rack up the monthly fees, bundle up certain web sites and block/subvert unwanted ones, wouldn't an ISP who doesn't do that but keeps thing as they were be the proverbial king in this new world as customers would flock to it to escape the clusterbuck that other ISP's have devolved into (unless ofc the infrastructure is owned by those others, in which case, ciao bella)?

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Good thing i made a habit of downloading and storing all the porn that i like, now i just got to do the same with some texts on certain sites that i find interesting.

Also, suppose that all the ISP's really do rack up the monthly fees, bundle up certain web sites and block/subvert unwanted ones, wouldn't an ISP who doesn't do that but keeps thing as they were be the proverbial king in this new world as customers would flock to it to escape the clusterbuck that other ISP's have devolved into (unless ofc the infrastructure is owned by those others, in which case, ciao bella)?

Some people (like my friend who lives in bumfuck California, not one of the major cities) don't have any choice. If their ISP starts jacking up the prices of internet, then they have no choice but to pay it. I'm fortunate to live in a major city, where if my ex-employer decides to raise the prices of my internet, I can just go to Charter Spectrum. Who knows? Since one of my family members works there, maybe I can get a discount?

Either way, there are no positives to this situation. And I swear to god and all things holy, if Ajit Pai uses the term "heavy-handed" one more time, I'm going to slap the shit out of someone.

I like this tweet.
https://twitter.com/ZachareyGoins/status/941390687924342784

Srsly, ISIS should do something about this infidel.

DelurC said:
I like this tweet.
https://twitter.com/ZachareyGoins/status/941390687924342784

Account Suspended

call US Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121 and tell your senators to keep the internet as it is

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Concerning the prospect of certain websites being outright banned, would services such as Tor (or said websites moving to .tor format) be of any help?

Not if Tor is banned.

furballs_dc said:
Account Suspended

Here's another one.
https://twitter.com/JoeySamfield/status/941390612389089281

So, here's a helpful twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/Celeste_pewter/status/941370672147709952

The jist of it: This is not over. Here is how to help, and what will not help.

This is NOT the end.

JoeX said:
They won. They’ve repealed Title II. This still has to go to the courts. We can only hope they shoot down this repeal.

I have depressions.

The people in the US, they lost, any now they have no choice, and so do we. The FCC had already won, and even if someone else tries to stop it, they is no use anymore. Not even the Congress could stop it.

It's over, people. Move on. There is nothing we can do. Shoot me.

And you will know the truth about me? I'm a pessimist, and I don't believe we can save it.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Concerning the prospect of certain websites being outright banned, would services such as Tor (or said websites moving to .tor format) be of any help?

Considering how websites and webservices like Captcha and clodflare already block/limit/change access from tor users, ISPs would likely be able to do the same.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Concerning the prospect of certain websites being outright banned, would services such as Tor (or said websites moving to .tor format) be of any help?

Tor is for hiding what the data contains, data coded thru Tor still go thru the same ISPs as "regular" internet. And while ISPs cant see what is in the data they are likely able to interpret data coded thru Tor and other similar proxy services...

cerberusmod_3 said:
I have depressions.

The people in the US, they lost, any now they have no choice, and so do we. The FCC had already won, and even if someone else tries to stop it, they is no use anymore. Not even the Congress could stop it.

It's over, people. Move on. There is nothing we can do. Shoot me.

And you will know the truth about me? I'm a pessimist, and I don't believe we can save it.

This is not true. It is not over.

It is far from over.

SnowWolf said:
This is not true. It is not over.

It is far from over.

I don't care anymore. There is nothing I can do to help it. It's over. The damage has been done.

Just look at what happened in 2017, like the Paris Agreement, all this is because of Trump.

Just, give up. Please?

SnowWolf said:
This is not true. It is not over.

It is far from over.

They are now facing 16 lawsuits. They’re fucked and they know it.

JoeX said:
They are now facing 16 lawsuits. They’re fucked and they know it.

Really? I don't think so.

I expect 400000 lawsuits for this one.

It's a joke.

cerberusmod_3 said:
I don't care anymore. There is nothing I can do to help it. It's over. The damage has been done.

Just look at what happened in 2017, like the Paris Agreement, all this is because of Trump.

Just, give up. Please?

It's okay if you're tired. It's okay if you don't want to carry this any more. it's okay to set it down and stop caring.

But don't tell anyone else that it's useless, that it's worth giving up on. There is no damage that cannot be undone.

as for the paris agreement... it's going on without the US. Parts of the US are going along with it in spirit. The race is not lost. WE're just not leading it any more.

Trump is temporary. By current laws he has 7 more years at the most. 3 years is more likely. And in all honesty, I don't think we'll see him finish out 2018. But we'll see.

but no matter what, it's not lost. this is a REPEAL of rules that already existed. new rules can be made. In ways, this could be a good thing that allows us to put better nuetrality laws into effect.

but.

But.

It's okay if you can't carry this any more. Set it down. Let other peopel carry it. Take care of you. Download your pictures. Becomes stronger. Fight the fights you can fight. And don't kill yourself on the fights that are too much for you. It's okay. I promise.

This repeal won't last long.

SnowWolf said:
It's okay if you're tired. It's okay if you don't want to carry this any more. it's okay to set it down and stop caring.

But don't tell anyone else that it's useless, that it's worth giving up on. There is no damage that cannot be undone.

as for the paris agreement... it's going on without the US. Parts of the US are going along with it in spirit. The race is not lost. WE're just not leading it any more.

Trump is temporary. By current laws he has 7 more years at the most. 3 years is more likely. And in all honesty, I don't think we'll see him finish out 2018. But we'll see.

but no matter what, it's not lost. this is a REPEAL of rules that already existed. new rules can be made. In ways, this could be a good thing that allows us to put better nuetrality laws into effect.

but.

But.

It's okay if you can't carry this any more. Set it down. Let other peopel carry it. Take care of you. Download your pictures. Becomes stronger. Fight the fights you can fight. And don't kill yourself on the fights that are too much for you. It's okay. I promise.

Okay.

I'm feeling tired, though. Maybe it's because I'm sick, or I'm not sleeping enough. I'm might not be able to save everything.

I'm done with the internet for a while. I can't take much of all the people sperging out.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Okay.

I'm feeling tired, though. Maybe it's because I'm sick, or I'm not sleeping enough. I'm might not be able to save everything.

Yeah, get some rest, and maybe some water too. Relax a little.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Okay.

I'm feeling tired, though. Maybe it's because I'm sick, or I'm not sleeping enough. I'm might not be able to save everything.

I'm done with the internet for a while. I can't take much of all the people sperging out.

It's okay. you don't have to do everything today. It'll all be here, for quite a while. Don't worry.

But take it easy. Go for a walk. Browse through some art for a while. Take a nap, read a book, play some videogames. draw something... feel better <3

As the person who started this conversation here, I feel like I'm obligated to say something...

Look, we may have lost the fight, but we haven't lost the war. There are plenty of things that we can do, ranging from sitting with our fingers up our birbholes, to short of launching a full-scale mass-protest against the entire United States government. We can drink our Victory Gin and burn books, or we can hunt down those who voted in favor of the Net Neutrality laws being repealed and make their jobs very difficult. If the government is perfect like some people like to believe, then we have many ways of fighting back against this unfair ruling. If there's any time to stand up and shout, now is the time. Time is of the essence. If this is what Trump wanted, then I think that speaks volumes about him and the people he appointed into office.

The world wide net is not a service, it's a human right. It's about damn time we started treating it as such.

I think we can agree that 2017 is worse than 2016, at least in my opinion, with lots of people screwing over, lots of memes that are unnecessarily unfunny and pointless (!@#$ those so-called "Dank Memes"), certain websites like YouTube are screwing over people, and now we lost Net Neutrality.

I miss the old days when I play Spyro, watching Terminator 2: Judgment Day on a theater, and who could forget about shows like Cow and Chicken?

20-Shades-Of-Faux-Pa said:
The world wide net is not a service, it's a human right.

Since when?

The world wide net is not a service, it's a human right. It's about damn time we started treating it as such.

You need to explain that to the courts darling, positivistic law is all the rage now.

Also:

http://www.pcgamer.com/smirking-fcc-chairman-posts-video-mocking-net-neutrality-supporters/

Ajit Pai, openly dicking with NN supporters.

DelurC said:
Here's another one.
https://twitter.com/JoeySamfield/status/941390612389089281

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Also:

http://www.pcgamer.com/smirking-fcc-chairman-posts-video-mocking-net-neutrality-supporters/

Ajit Pai, openly dicking with NN supporters.

I find it amusing that he gets more hate than Trump.

cerberusmod_3 said:
I find it amusing that he gets more hate than Trump.

Because MoFo is a sellout, Trump has Nukes, this guy is treating internet as his toy.
"Liez liez liez, give us your feedback" fucking comments and votes disabled XXXDDD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ipusgGf48

And another interesting read : https://twitter.com/hashtag/KilledByTheFCC?src=hash

Hate to be the pessimist in the crowd... but....

JoeX said:
They are now facing 16 lawsuits. They’re fucked and they know it.

Trumps facing more lawsuits, bankruptcy, sexual harassment charges etc and he got elected... shows you that the U.S. of A isn't as great as we like to make it out to be, and that our legal system doesn't work properly.
..And now it's not much of the land of the free either.

Corinthian said:
This repeal won't last long.

Again, trumps lasted longer than a lot of people expected. I honestly thought he was gonna get assassinated within two months of taking office.... never happened. Thought someone would nail him to a wall for treason (Russia)... still in progress...
Thought people would be able to express their outrage at the fcc vote and be heard....

Fact is, it did nothing.
When corporates rule the world, the masses lose while being placated with poisoned honey words. The corporates want money, they want power, they don't give a flying rats ass who or what they step on to get and keep it.
Pai, may he get an incurable std, first ignored the outrage, then refused the gov from investigating the 2.6 million bots infesting the voting comments page most who had what amounts to internet identity theft by using stolen emails and names, people's real addresses and phone numbers...
Fact of the matter, he and those who work with him, don't give a shit about anything other than the iron rod of power and green pieces of paper. Certainly don't care about you, the consumer. A truth, the rich are greedy.... their motto is "there's never enough."

We got about 1 year of semi free internet left... probably not even that... after they finish up with the courts. Course I could see them already having everything set up and ready to go the moment we lose.

And as someone who had their router hacked in 2016 (which recked everything for me) and is only just last week starting to recover... it's depressing. I have spent the last year since Xmas last year barrowing the net with the good graces of my neighbor. Only last week was I able to finally get my laptop fixed, and planned on getting a new router this week... I cancelled that plan because of the fcc vote.
I'm poor, I have to live off of the government's good will (I'm disabled). I already pay 280$ for a cable/internet bundle from COMCAST *hisses* it burns.... And we have no other service providers here except Frontier and they don't have tv. Now personally,y experience with comcast is horrific. They change the bundle fine print and services rendered often and with no warning. They hicke the price randomly and then we have to fight tooth and nail to lower it only for the next yahoo to see our services plan go "oh that's not right... *cranks Bill up to 330$ again* we've been lied to, spied on, and cheated...

I don't trust big "internet" corporations to stay their money grubbing hands and not do exactly what they're promising not to do. Sure it might take a while. But I bet they can implement it slowly, a little here... a little there... And then one day you'll wake up and wonder when the internet became a shit hole.

Sorry about the rant, but our country is going to shit and I'm sick of it.

DelurC said:
Because MoFo is a sellout, Trump has Nukes, this guy is treating internet as his toy.
"Liez liez liez, give us your feedback" fucking comments and votes disabled XXXDDD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ipusgGf48

And another interesting read : https://twitter.com/hashtag/KilledByTheFCC?src=hash

I don't personally hate Ajit Pai because I don't care about him.

As for Twitter, My god, so many stupid people doing such stupid things, like are they really committed suicide because they have been influenced by the internet and think their lives would be boring if Net Neutrality is repealed, or is this some sort of sensationalism, or is this some sort of propaganda? Hmm... I don't know.

And people who witnessed such stupiditly tragic event then suddenly gone !@#$ing nuts like a child! God, I hate these. This makes me feel like hating them even more. This is arguably the dumbest thing humanity had done and they still posting pointless memes that I never want to see it again. Dank/Ironic memes, that's funny! Historical memes, also funny! !@#$posting, seriously funny!

That's why we can't have nice things. The Internet as we know is like a double-edged sword to me. It may be pleasant on one side, irritating on the other.

And what do you mean MoFo?

Esme_Belles said:
Hate to be the pessimist in the crowd... but....

Trumps facing more lawsuits, bankruptcy, sexual harassment charges etc and he got elected... shows you that the U.S. of A isn't as great as we like to make it out to be, and that our legal system doesn't work properly.
..And now it's not much of the land of the free either.

Again, trumps lasted longer than a lot of people expected. I honestly thought he was gonna get assassinated within two months of taking office.... never happened. Thought someone would nail him to a wall for treason (Russia)... still in progress...
Thought people would be able to express their outrage at the fcc vote and be heard....

Fact is, it did nothing.
When corporates rule the world, the masses lose while being placated with poisoned honey words. The corporates want money, they want power, they don't give a flying rats ass who or what they step on to get and keep it.
Pai, may he get an incurable std, first ignored the outrage, then refused the gov from investigating the 2.6 million bots infesting the voting comments page most who had what amounts to internet identity theft by using stolen emails and names, people's real addresses and phone numbers...
Fact of the matter, he and those who work with him, don't give a shit about anything other than the iron rod of power and green pieces of paper. Certainly don't care about you, the consumer. A truth, the rich are greedy.... their motto is "there's never enough."

We got about 1 year of semi free internet left... probably not even that... after they finish up with the courts. Course I could see them already having everything set up and ready to go the moment we lose.

And as someone who had their router hacked in 2016 (which recked everything for me) and is only just last week starting to recover... it's depressing. I have spent the last year since Xmas last year barrowing the net with the good graces of my neighbor. Only last week was I able to finally get my laptop fixed, and planned on getting a new router this week... I cancelled that plan because of the fcc vote.
I'm poor, I have to live off of the government's good will (I'm disabled). I already pay 280$ for a cable/internet bundle from COMCAST *hisses* it burns.... And we have no other service providers here except Frontier and they don't have tv. Now personally,y experience with comcast is horrific. They change the bundle fine print and services rendered often and with no warning. They hicke the price randomly and then we have to fight tooth and nail to lower it only for the next yahoo to see our services plan go "oh that's not right... *cranks Bill up to 330$ again* we've been lied to, spied on, and cheated...

I don't trust big "internet" corporations to stay their money grubbing hands and not do exactly what they're promising not to do. Sure it might take a while. But I bet they can implement it slowly, a little here... a little there... And then one day you'll wake up and wonder when the internet became a shit hole.

Sorry about the rant, but our country is going to shit and I'm sick of it.

How depressing. I do agree wth you. This is reality. But hey, I'll pray for you tonight. For peas.

Even though the US is probably degrading and I don't care about what will happened, they are still one of the greatest.

Or maybe not. It's over, folks. The US as we know is now dead. Moving on.

The not too distant future now that the corporations have won.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ikaJVLAJ2iU

My God, Ajit Pai is a fucking idiot.
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/365083-fcc-chair-net-neutrality-supporters-proven-wrong-day-after-repeal

Just wait. This will affect him. I bet he uses Hulu and Netflix. His decisions to repeal net neutrality will affect him personally, and there will be nothing to stop it.

Free and open internet? For whom?

I probably should've asked this a lot earlier, but... Will this affect people outside the US? Since I'm not even in the same hemisphere as all this, I might be unaffected.

BlueDingo said:
I probably should've asked this a lot earlier, but... Will this affect people outside the US? Since I'm not even in the same hemisphere as all this, I might be unaffected.

yes and no. In the worse case scenario.. let's say that major ISPs decide restrict, or block access to places like FA and e621. This could be "pay 5 bucks a month for access" or it could be "this website is slow" or, even in the worse, "this website is blocked."
(setting aside the implausibility of that, of course, considering the sheer number of websites out there..)

People who visit these places might not be willing to pay to do it, or become impatient with slowered loading times. so traffic to these websites may slow down as people find alternatives, or give up prior habits.

This may lead to a drop in revenue for these websites. Hypothetically, places like FA or DA could shut down because of being no longer profitable. More likely, individual artists suffer more at first and cease taking commissions.

The other issue is hosting.

If snowfur.pawz is being hosted in the US-- the ISP may make it slower to reach the rest of the world. However, snowfur.pawz is probably one of thousands of websites hosted with one hosting provider and most providers will likely pay for 'optimum access' if that's a thing. I'm not sure it would be. BUt it COULD be.

However, if hosting in the US became problematic, there would probably be a lot of websites that opt to move their content to another host in another country. and if a website is hosted in Sweden, for example, then it's nto being affected by someone in poland trying to get access to it. However, poeople in the US may experience issues.

However, I think that this is not liekoly to be an immediate thing--I would expect things to continue as usual for quite some time. ... With possible exceptions to things like news outlets that are considered to be "fake news"--however, I think that would open up a world of new, fresh shiney lawsuits beyond what will already happen. And even then, there are alternatives.

The internet is a big and scary thing. Full of many roads and many ways in or out. It's not impossible to put a stranglehold on it... but I think jumping to a 'white list' system would be very swift suicide.

and even then, it wouldn't affect peopel outside the US< baring possible access to US hosted websites.

But again: That's when many of them would move to other counties.

(I could be wrong, but this is how i understand it.)

SnowWolf said:
yes and no. In the worse case scenario.. let's say that major ISPs decide restrict, or block access to places like FA and e621. This could be "pay 5 bucks a month for access" or it could be "this website is slow" or, even in the worse, "this website is blocked."
(setting aside the implausibility of that, of course, considering the sheer number of websites out there..)

People who visit these places might not be willing to pay to do it, or become impatient with slowered loading times. so traffic to these websites may slow down as people find alternatives, or give up prior habits.

This may lead to a drop in revenue for these websites. Hypothetically, places like FA or DA could shut down because of being no longer profitable. More likely, individual artists suffer more at first and cease taking commissions.

The other issue is hosting.

If snowfur.pawz is being hosted in the US-- the ISP may make it slower to reach the rest of the world. However, snowfur.pawz is probably one of thousands of websites hosted with one hosting provider and most providers will likely pay for 'optimum access' if that's a thing. I'm not sure it would be. BUt it COULD be.

However, if hosting in the US became problematic, there would probably be a lot of websites that opt to move their content to another host in another country. and if a website is hosted in Sweden, for example, then it's nto being affected by someone in poland trying to get access to it. However, poeople in the US may experience issues.

However, I think that this is not liekoly to be an immediate thing--I would expect things to continue as usual for quite some time. ... With possible exceptions to things like news outlets that are considered to be "fake news"--however, I think that would open up a world of new, fresh shiney lawsuits beyond what will already happen. And even then, there are alternatives.

The internet is a big and scary thing. Full of many roads and many ways in or out. It's not impossible to put a stranglehold on it... but I think jumping to a 'white list' system would be very swift suicide.

and even then, it wouldn't affect peopel outside the US< baring possible access to US hosted websites.

But again: That's when many of them would move to other counties.

(I could be wrong, but this is how i understand it.)

Well, I live somewhere is Asia and I have a Wi-Fi router. Not sure if will be affected though. Feeling concerned.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Well, I live somewhere is Asia and I have a Wi-Fi router. Not sure if will be affected though. Feeling concerned.

You, directly, are not likely to be affected, hun.

Some websites may eventually be affected, but this is mostly not going to bother you too much right now. But save your favorites anyway.

SnowWolf said:
You, directly, are not likely to be affected, hun.

What makes you so sure he's from central Asia?

BlueDingo said:
What makes you so sure he's from central Asia?

_{^{Click here if you don't get it.]Ooooooh my god.... hahahaha, that's awful! haha.}}

I'll get you back for that one, just wait... :)

I'm guessing it's the same for me. Australia, if you're wondering.

To my knowledge, yeah. I'm not an expert though!

I think european users won't have any problems either, or?

D4rk said:
I think european users won't have any problems either, or?

you know how europe loves to copy american ideas?
with some delay, of course, and only if they turn out to be *really bad* ideas

edit:
throttling "hate" sites would be a good thing, right?
you're letting people have free speech *and* denying them a useful platform
what counts as hate speech?
- advocating immigration restrictions
- not supporting the gender jihad
- being against gay marriage
- advocating a return to national currencies
- not loving the idea of a united europe
- and everything else the mainstream doesn't like!

coming to your europe after the next election cycle

You say that people outside of the U.S. will be affected, but net neutrality has been marked as a consititutional right where I live, so it actually doesn't affect me.

besides, there's still a long way to go before this law gets enforced. If Congress votes this away, they have to start all over again.

Oh, and I find it hilarious how people are blaming this on Repubs and EEVIL DURMPF CHEETO HITLER

Last time I checked, the majority of Republican voters didn't support ridding net neutrality, excluding looney tunes AnCaps of course. And the voting Repubs of the FCC already had their mind set on it anyway.
Also, didn't the same thing happen like, three times under the Obama administration?

SnowWolf said:
You, directly, are not likely to be affected, hun.

Some websites may eventually be affected, but this is mostly not going to bother you too much right now. But save your favorites anyway.

Well, I'm afraid that it's probably gonna be affected all over the world if after the repeal.

Just some hypothetical thoughts, but still.

Munkelzahn said:
you know how europe loves to copy american ideas?
with some delay, of course, and only if they turn out to be *really bad* ideas

edit:
throttling "hate" sites would be a good thing, right?
you're letting people have free speech *and* denying them a useful platform
what counts as hate speech?
- advocating immigration restrictions
- not supporting the gender jihad
- being against gay marriage
- advocating a return to national currencies
- not loving the idea of a united europe
- and everything else the mainstream doesn't like!

coming to your europe after the next election cycle

Yeah, US pretty much will tear you a new arse if you dare speak against those topics in a civil manner. Sad day indeed >.>

"Don't agree with us? TRAITOR!!" - Media

fox_whisper85 said:
Yeah, US pretty much will tear you a new arse if you dare speak against those topics in a civil manner. Sad day indeed >.>

"Don't agree with us? TRAITOR!!" - Media

I really don't like how the US is becoming increasingly polarised. A few decades ago there were tensions and various issues sure, but today it seems as if something big and nasty is looming on the horizon (and not just in the US), we live in ''interesting times''.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
I really don't like how the US is becoming increasingly polarised. A few decades ago there were tensions and various issues sure, but today it seems as if something big and nasty is looming on the horizon (and not just in the US), we live in ''interesting times''.

Almost makes me want to defect somewhere else.

fox_whisper85 said:
Almost makes me want to defect somewhere else.

Or you can move to the boonies, live off the land and grid and come back to civilization 5-10 years later, if you find things to your satisfaction awesome, if not just leave again ^^

Munkelzahn said:
you know how europe loves to copy american ideas?
with some delay, of course, and only if they turn out to be *really bad* ideas

edit:
throttling "hate" sites would be a good thing, right?
you're letting people have free speech *and* denying them a useful platform
what counts as hate speech?
- advocating immigration restrictions
- not supporting the gender jihad
- being against gay marriage
- advocating a return to national currencies
- not loving the idea of a united europe
- and everything else the mainstream doesn't like!

coming to your europe after the next election cycle

fox_whisper85 said:
Yeah, US pretty much will tear you a new arse if you dare speak against those topics in a civil manner. Sad day indeed >.>

"Don't agree with us? TRAITOR!!" - Media

The US government also banned following words for the CDC to use in financial requests: (sadly no sarcasm)

-Vulnerable
-Entitlement
-Diversity
-Transgender
-Fetus
-Evidence-based
-Science-based

Instead of writing "Evidence/Science-based" they are allowed to write "Science-based after considering public standards and interests"

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
I really don't like how the US is becoming increasingly polarised. A few decades ago there were tensions and various issues sure, but today it seems as if something big and nasty is looming on the horizon (and not just in the US), we live in ''interesting times''.

To quote Green Day:
--> We live in TROUBLED times <--
______

But Trump was right, we don't laugh about the USA anymore - laughing about a mental handicap would be cruel

D4rk said:
The US government also banned following words for the CDC to use in financial requests: (sadly no sarcasm)

-Vulnerable
-Entitlement
-Diversity
-Transgender
-Fetus
-Evidence-based
-Science-based

Instead of writing "Evidence/Science-based" they are allowed to write "Science-based after considering public standards and interests"

That's crazy! Did Trump did this just to pissed off a majority of SJWs?

In other news, Trump said he’s going to fire the whole White House staff because he’s sick of the leaks. He legitimately believes he can run the country all by himself. He really is that dense.

JoeX said:
In other news, Trump said he’s going to fire the whole White House staff because he’s sick of the leaks. He legitimately believes he can run the country all by himself. He really is that dense.

This is bad, real bad.

By the way, I just found something on TV Tropes and it's called "The Cycle of Empire". As the name states, it shows the four phases of the "Empire Cycle":

Phase One: Expansion
Phase Two: Stabilization
Phase Three: The Decay
Phase Four: The Long Night

If you guys want to see more about this trope, I'll put the link below:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCycleOfEmpires

While the US is not an empire state, it does seems to be approaching closer to phrase three.

cerberusmod_3 said:
This is bad, real bad.

By the way, I just found something on TV Tropes and it's called "The Cycle of Empire". As the name states, it shows the four phases of the "Empire Cycle":

Phase One: Expansion
Phase Two: Stabilization
Phase Three: The Decay
Phase Four: The Long Night

If you guys want to see more about this trope, I'll put the link below:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCycleOfEmpires

While the US is not an empire state, it does seems to be approaching closer to phrase three.

This is one of the worst things I have ever seen. The collective mental capacity of these people is less than a single cockroach.
https://tinyurl.com/y85xwyl4

JoeX said:
This is one of the worst things I have ever seen. The collective mental capacity of these people is less than a single cockroach.
https://tinyurl.com/y85xwyl4

The leftist?

cerberusmod_3 said:
The leftist?

No, the “leftists” are the people that support net neutrality. It’s a derogatory term for Democrats. These guys are part of the alt-right. Trump supporters are awful, vile people without even a shred of decency. Trump’s slogan of make America great again has emboldened racists and idiots like these people. There’s a subreddit called The_Donald full of these kinds of people. Every time a pro-net neutrality post is uploaded to Reddit, these Trumpfags have to come in and troll because they think it triggers liberals. In reality, all it does is get them downvoted and banned. It didn’t used to be, but it is now considered a hate subreddit.

cerberusmod_3 said:
That's crazy! Did Trump did this just to pissed off a majority of SJWs?

If people are truly worried about how SJWs react to certain changes and laws, etc, they should have bigger things to worry about. No one should care what SJW's think, it just empowers them.

JoeX said:
No, the “leftists” are the people that support net neutrality. It’s a derogatory term for Democrats. These guys are part of the alt-right. Trump supporters are awful, vile people without even a shred of decency. Trump’s slogan of make America great again has emboldened racists and idiots like these people. There’s a subreddit called The_Donald full of these kinds of people. Every time a pro-net neutrality post is uploaded to Reddit, these Trumpfags have to come in and troll because they think it triggers liberals. In reality, all it does is get them downvoted and banned. It didn’t used to be, but it is now considered a hate subreddit.

I'm not sure if I can agree with you or not, since I had a hard time thinking which political party is good and which one is bad.

Here's an arguement from a journal about Donald Trump's victory:
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/644827969/4261072227

These are all I have, though, so what do you think?

I agree with what you think about the Alt-Right.

cerberusmod_3 said:
I'm not sure if I can agree with you or not, since I had a hard time thinking which political party is good and which one is bad.

Here's an arguement from a journal about Donald Trump's victory:
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/644827969/4261072227

These are all I have, though, so what do you think?

I agree with what you think about the Alt-Right.

I am a Democrat, so I may be a bit biased, but let me tell you what’s happening. The net neutrality repeal was voted on by five people. The ones that supported the repeal were Republicans while the two who opposed the repeal were Democrats. The Trump administration is trying to ban abortion, meaning not even rape victims would be allowed to get an abortion. Make no mistake, the Republican party is corrupt to the core. The Nazis that marched earlier this year were emboldened by Trump and the person that ran over the protestors in Charlottesville was a Trump supporter. The Trump administration also tried to impose a travel ban so that Muslims from multiple countries couldn’t enter the United States. It also tried to pass a bill banning transgendered people from serving in the military. The Republican candidate for senator of Alabama is a pedophile. Trump has the lowest approval rating of any US president in history. No matter how many wonderful things Obama did, the Trump administration has tried to destroy it. They’re trying to drill for oil on protected federal land.

This thread is about Net Neutrality, not Trump. Keep on topic or it will be locked.

This is already a political thread which we don't really like to have because they tend to cause problems. Bringing Trump into it(Be it for or against him) is seriously pushing boundaries, and will only be a matter of time before someone gets a record and the thread locked.
Please refer to our Site rules, specifically the Major Religions, Religious Figures, Political Parties, or Political Figures section if you need to know what to avoid in the topic.

JoeX said:
I am a Democrat, so I may be a bit biased, but let me tell you what’s happening. The net neutrality repeal was voted on by five people. The ones that supported the repeal were Republicans while the two who opposed the repeal were Democrats. The Trump administration is trying to ban abortion, meaning not even rape victims would be allowed to get an abortion. Make no mistake, the Republican party is corrupt to the core. The Nazis that marched earlier this year were emboldened by Trump and the person that ran over the protestors in Charlottesville was a Trump supporter. The Trump administration also tried to impose a travel ban so that Muslims from multiple countries couldn’t enter the United States. It also tried to pass a bill banning transgendered people from serving in the military. The Republican candidate for senator of Alabama is a pedophile. Trump has the lowest approval rating of any US president in history. No matter how many wonderful things Obama did, the Trump administration has tried to destroy it. They’re trying to drill for oil on protected federal land.

Bit biased, I see. Sounds like a typical liberal to me. No offense.

Chaser said:

This thread is about Net Neutrality, not Trump. Keep on topic or it will be locked.

This is already a political thread which we don't really like to have because they tend to cause problems. Bringing Trump into it(Be it for or against him) is seriously pushing boundaries, and will only be a matter of time before someone gets a record and the thread locked.
Please refer to our Site rules, specifically the Major Religions, Religious Figures, Political Parties, or Political Figures section if you need to know what to avoid in the topic.

Are we in trouble, now?

cerberusmod_3 said:
This is bad, real bad.

By the way, I just found something on TV Tropes and it's called "The Cycle of Empire". As the name states, it shows the four phases of the "Empire Cycle":

Phase One: Expansion
Phase Two: Stabilization
Phase Three: The Decay
Phase Four: The Long Night

If you guys want to see more about this trope, I'll put the link below:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCycleOfEmpires

While the US is not an empire state, it does seems to be approaching closer to phrase three.

Aaah, one of my favourite articles (made the article picture too :D ).

Yes sadly all empires and\or human polities go out either by disintegrating or transforming into something else, the USA has existed for about 300 years, a respectable time, but to think that it will last forever would be foolish.

The way i see it, if it " goes" peacefully, it will likely look something like this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DividedStatesOfAmerica
With more prosperous states jumping ship.

Also regarding Trump, don't worry too much, those in real power won't let him do anything too asinine (though there are theories that the current iteration of US has "served it's purpose" and a new one is necessary, make of that what you will).

Also also, yeah, we might be steering a wee bit off topic :3

cerberusmod_3 said:
Bit biased, I see. Sounds like a typical liberal to me. No offense.

None taken, man. Neither side is perfect and I acknowledge that.

Chaser said:

This thread is about Net Neutrality, not Trump. Keep on topic or it will be locked.

This is already a political thread which we don't really like to have because they tend to cause problems. Bringing Trump into it(Be it for or against him) is seriously pushing boundaries, and will only be a matter of time before someone gets a record and the thread locked.
Please refer to our Site rules, specifically the Major Religions, Religious Figures, Political Parties, or Political Figures section if you need to know what to avoid in the topic.

Sorry about that! We’ll keep it relevant to the topic at hand!

JoeX said:
None taken, man. Neither side is perfect and I acknowledge that.

Me too.

Now let us not talk about politics today and focus on what really matters, Net Neutrality.

Ok, so we need to ask ourselves ''What now and in the future''?

Now - We wait and see what the courts are going to decide, as i understand, a bucketload of lawsuits are either planned or are being filed as we speak. This could have the benefit of forestalling the abolition of NN, and possibly the arrival of another president in 2020 if the legal case is protracted so long.

Future - If the worst scenario happens, and we get multi-speed highways, then sites such as FA, E621, DA and others should start making plans what to do.

+ If sites want to use high-speed bandwidth option, methods of additional money acquisition should be seriously considered, this could either be done by paid subscription (not advisable, as i guess that it would put off a massive amount of users), patreon/kickstarter fundraisers (could be viable in theory, if the bandwidth fee could be negotiated on a yearly basis).

+ If high-speed bandwidth is judged as too costly, sites should make plans sa to how best to adjust to a potentially slow trickle of visitors. Human beings are adaptable and a somewhat slower internet shouldn't present that much of an issue. I talked with a friend regarding how our country's internet stands up to the american one, and he told me that ours was poop in comparison to yours, however i can still surf the tubes relatively quickly and painlessly (though i am living in a huge city, rural denizens could be having it much worse still). So many users who genuinely love/need/want the content furry and other sites provide will probably stick with them so long as they have the patience and the $$$.

+ As a ''third option'', perhaps some form of sneakernet where artists and story-writers place their content on USBs and then set up meets of sorts where you can pick up the material could function as a (fairly clunky and slow) ''analogue internet''.

And finally we have the issue of censorship and/or deliberate slowing of certain sites deemed ''unfit'' for whatever reason...i honestly don't know. It's likely that the first ones on the chopping block would be anti-establishment, alternative and subversive political sites (such as for anarchists, soc/comm, libertarians, Ancap etc.), various news sites deemed ''fake news/alt fact promulgators'' (Russia Today and Sputnik being most obvious examples) and various miscellaneous sites. Furry sites could potentially get axed if various moral guardian and concerned citizen lobbies decide to clamp down on the ''undesirables''.

In conclusion, for the moment all we can really do is wait and store stuff from the net that we like.

Sorry for the long post.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
If the worst scenario happens, and we get multi-speed highways, then sites such as FA, E621, DA and others should...

... move the servers out of the u.s. to nullify the impact on non-u.s. users.

Zenti said:
... move the servers out of the u.s. to nullify the impact on non-u.s. users.

Mmm, and the ones in the US? Remember an overwhelming majority of furries are Americans.

Zenti said:
... move the servers out of the u.s. to nullify the impact on non-u.s. users.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Mmm, and the ones in the US? Remember an overwhelming majority of furries are Americans.

Do you have data on most furries being US citizens? I see bunch of especially russian and japanese furries on the internet, but because of their language barrier prefer to keep on their own websites instead of US based ones.

Also I'm not sure if this would effect the servers side, because they are paying for their own connection to serve their own services already, so there's nothing to alter there, but it's the users side which are now being monitored of what servers they access with their connection. So in theory this means that oversea users might actually see boost on speeds as less are distributed on US citizens.

Only thing we have to worry on europe might be about everyone following suit, but I'm really not seeing this at least right now because there's already three operators I can choose from and they are keeping each other in check all the time and EU has been really on the ball with internet stuff (hence the fucking cookie warnings on every website and windows asking what browser I want to use after fresh install). In case they do, that would be just one more advertisement advantage to them, like monthly data plans were until everyone dropped them, I think only one operator has them as secondary option anymore which is why it sounds insane to me that in america someone has them on wired connections. Month ago actually got email from my operator that my sale price is ending, but they'll just renew it with even lower price without me needing to do anything, being attached to anything or being removed anything.

Mario69 said:
Do you have data on most furries being US citizens?

Well, since you ask:
http://vis.adjectivespecies.com/furrysurvey/explorer/

Though i admit the study could be potentially selection biased in favour of the western world (still a fun and useful data survey in it's own right tho).

As for the rest many things are in flux and the whole thing is far from over, perhaps the best philosophy would be ''we'll cross the bridge/repair it/find another bridge if it is down when we get to it''.

Honestly, I side with both parties(ISPs and consumers).

As a consumer, I do find it worrying that my internet may go from unlimited data to anywhere to unlimited data on the most basic plan(eg: only Facebook which I do not use). Or that my ISP starts censoring content they do not agree with.

But I also side with the ISPs because net neutrality makes it impossible for them to make very basic packages for low income house holds who dont need anything else but what is included in the package, for example an "essentials" package that includes Facebook, twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube, etc.
While there are arguments that they could just get "lower speed access", not everyone wants to wait for dialup speeds.

However, something that does come good from the repeal is that IF ISPs start limiting or restricting access, they have to be transparent about it. While I am not sure on the requirements of it(eg: must call and ask, or must have a webpage dedicated to this information), they will have to be transparent.

But regardless, I still say fuck Ajit Pai(my tablet wants to autocorrect it to Ajit Paid), he should have been a lot more professional about it.
I wouldn't be saying this if he didn't openly mock the public, make fun of people, violate copyrights and claim it is a "parody", and actually listened to public concerns.