IllinoisBoi1 said:
Net Neutrality is greedy, stupid, and I completely disagree with it, I can’t believe it even became a thing at all.

Yes, we're all greedy for wanting to be able to access all websites fairly.

A question if i may, does anyone know what are the chances of ISPs blocking/throttling sites like E621 and Furaffinity?

Porn, which is a VERY lucrative business could be merely upped to a higher access price, but furry content could be blocked alltogather (provided some ultra-conservative groups get a say in how things would be handled).

I don't mean to stir panic, but considering how things in america currently are, it wouldn't surprise me if certain "decadent and/or depraved" content would start getting censored.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
A question if i may, does anyone know what are the chances of ISPs blocking/throttling sites like E621 and Furaffinity?

Porn, which is a VERY lucrative business could be merely upped to a higher access price, but furry content could be blocked alltogather (provided some ultra-conservative groups get a say in how things would be handled).

I don't mean to stir panic, but considering how things in america currently are, it wouldn't surprise me if certain "decadent and/or depraved" content would start getting censored.

I was actually thinking that earlier yesterday while writing the script for my next video, and I was honestly considering putting it in the video. However, a lot of my viewers are normies and wouldn't appreciate the furry reference.

20-Shades-Of-Faux-Pa said:
I was actually thinking that earlier yesterday while writing the script for my next video, and I was honestly considering putting it in the video. However, a lot of my viewers are normies and wouldn't appreciate the furry reference.

Who knows, maybe some of your normie viewers aren't so ''normy'' (ofc it would be a somewhat stealthy reference) ;).

Anyway, the problem with us is that there are so few of truly furry sites - FA, Inkbunny, Sofurry, Furrynetwork, E621. Also, it only takes one person with two brain cells to go to wikifur, look up the list of practically all furry sites (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Website_stubs), make a list of them and start blocking away. I hear that Russians and Chinese have somewhat substantial sites, but i really don't feel like learning cyrilic or hanzi :/

PheagleAdler said:
Yes, we're all greedy for wanting to be able to access all websites fairly.

You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-

Queen_Tyr'ahnee said:
Net Neutrality itself, or the act of trying to repeal it? Because Net Neutrality is what is keeping ISPs from throttling the internet unless you pay more and disallowing them from playing favorites by slowing down content they don't like, thus allowing all internet content an equal chance of being seen and enjoyed. Would you want to pay more money on top of what you already pay for the internet to enjoy whatever content you want? Without Net Neutrality that would be your reality.

Oh, I didn’t think of that.

I'm just waiting for Altice to fuck things up for us. I have SuddenLink, which many would consider one of the "smaller guys," but they throttled the connections of people who used Netflix instead of bundling their Internet with the company's cable services. That was 2 or 3 years ago.

You all do realize that we lived in a world without Net neutrality from the time the internet was created to 2015 and The "Fast lane" problem that everyone thinks of, happened rarely if ever...this is why I think that Net Neutrality doesn't do anything useful.
Also if corporations are engaging in predatory actions against each other(Comcast throttling Netflix or Facetime)They have a part of the government to deal with that called The Federal Trade Commission(FTC).
Thirdly, Net Neutrality itself is propagated by people that do not understand how traffic flows across a network, such as the internet. Commonly, High Priority is given to things that require a low amount of latency (Like your facetime and skype), because latency in these applications is not tolerable. Low Priority is used for applications that don't need low latency(like File sharing and email). These Quality of Service(QoS) techniques are used because there is a limited amount of bandwidth in the internet and they need to make the most of it by prioritizing the applications that need it.
But, anyway I probably could have made this argument more convincing, but i'm out of steam.

The QOS flag on packets has nothing to do with Net Neutrality's bid that all traffic should be treated equally. The internet itself (on the provider's side) is also seldom congested enough that the QOS flag makes an actual difference.

The NN issue is that traffic to specific services isn't throttled just because they didn't pay more for it. Netflix for example had their traffic properly flagged with QOS and still got throttled by Comcast until they sued them.

LemonadeWarrior said:
You all do realize that we lived in a world without Net neutrality from the time the internet was created to 2015

You do realize that the 90s Internet of Geocities was a much different time to the current Internet of web video and commercialization?

You do realize that the only reason why Net Neutrality was approved in 2015 in was in reaction to internet providers increasingly throttling data?

IllinoisBoi1 said:
You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-

How would we have known that? Why are you mad with them?

LemonadeWarrior said:
Thirdly, Net Neutrality itself is propagated by people that do not understand how traffic flows across a network, such as the internet.

Learning how traffic flows through the internet was one of my beginners' courses. You're telling us what we already know. Inaccurately.

Furrin_Gok said:
How would we have known that? Why are you mad with them?

What? I’m not mad, I’m annoyed, there’s a difference. Also, you know why I’m annoyed? Because I don’t think someone assuming what I’m saying is acceptable, how would you feel if someone thought you were mad about say for example, Donald Trump and someone said “for you to agree with Hillary Clinton is so dumb”. Wouldn’t that annoy you? Trust me, the last thing I want to do is get banned on this site. I was WAYYYYY worse on YouTube (it was a dangerous addiction which I don’t want to even begin to talk about) and I was still disrespectful on Instagram, so I learned my lesson and I am not trying to start trouble here, not in the slightest. Bottom line is that I’m not mad that he/she didn’t know that, but to assume that I’m typing angry comments at people for no reason is not only annoying, but also inconsiderate.

IllinoisBoi1 said:
What? I’m not mad, I’m annoyed, there’s a difference.

You.. literally..

IllinoisBoi1 said:
You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-

Slow down, ma boi.

SnowWolf said:
You.. literally..

Yeah, about that. So, I meant that I’m mad at internet companies which is a completely separate issue, while I’m not mad about the response I got, I’m talking about two different things.

IllinoisBoi1 said:
Yeah, about that. So, I meant that I’m mad at internet companies which is a completely separate issue, while I’m not mad about the response I got, I’m talking about two different things.

Honey.

This is the exact conversation:

Illinoisboi1 said: Net Neutrality is greedy, stupid, and I completely disagree with it, I can’t believe it even became a thing at all.
PheagleAdler said: Yes, we're all greedy for wanting to be able to access all websites fairly.
IllinoisBoi1 said: You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-
Furrin_Gok said: How would we have known that? Why are you mad with them?
IllinoisBoi1 said: What? I’m not mad, I’m annoyed, there’s a difference.

There's no context here except the conversation that we already have. You said net neutrality is dumb. Net neutrality is the good thing--it's the laws that protected people like us. You MEANT that *needing* net neutrality is dumb, but you didn't SAY that. You said that the *law* was dumb. Which, I understand how you meant it--now. But the way 99% of people will understand it is that you think that the the law is dumb.

That is what Pheagle assumed. So did most of us, I think. That's what Furrin meant when he said "how would we have known that?" because you didn't state your thoughts clearly.

When Furrin said "why are you mad with them?" the 'them' that he was referring to was the internet companies--the entities that you had just SAID you were mad at. So he was asking why you feat that way, not assuming you were angry with Pheagle.

Honey, you seem like a REALLY sweet guy, but you really need to work on speaking your mind a bit more clearly. You've got some good thoughts rattling around in there, but time and again, I see them get a bit jumbled up when you try to communicate them.

You've already said that you've worked hard to be a better commenter in general and that is SO awesome of you. Here's the way to keep on improving :)

SnowWolf said:
Honey.

This is the exact conversation:

Illinoisboi1 said: Net Neutrality is greedy, stupid, and I completely disagree with it, I can’t believe it even became a thing at all.
PheagleAdler said: Yes, we're all greedy for wanting to be able to access all websites fairly.
IllinoisBoi1 said: You do know I’m mad at AT&T and internet companies, right? -_-
Furrin_Gok said: How would we have known that? Why are you mad with them?
IllinoisBoi1 said: What? I’m not mad, I’m annoyed, there’s a difference.

There's no context here except the conversation that we already have. You said net neutrality is dumb. Net neutrality is the good thing--it's the laws that protected people like us. You MEANT that *needing* net neutrality is dumb, but you didn't SAY that. You said that the *law* was dumb. Which, I understand how you meant it--now. But the way 99% of people will understand it is that you think that the the law is dumb.

That is what Pheagle assumed. So did most of us, I think. That's what Furrin meant when he said "how would we have known that?" because you didn't state your thoughts clearly.

When Furrin said "why are you mad with them?" the 'them' that he was referring to was the internet companies--the entities that you had just SAID you were mad at. So he was asking why you feat that way, not assuming you were angry with Pheagle.

Honey, you seem like a REALLY sweet guy, but you really need to work on speaking your mind a bit more clearly. You've got some good thoughts rattling around in there, but time and again, I see them get a bit jumbled up when you try to communicate them.

You've already said that you've worked hard to be a better commenter in general and that is SO awesome of you. Here's the way to keep on improving :)

Ah crap, so that’s what I did wrong. I sincerely apologize for that. I’m not very smart when it comes to those types of things. That’s why this became a problem, see the problem is that I’m trying to be too active and so exact with my number count like how I wanted to get to exactly 20 forum posts or 375 favorites. I have some of that OCD causing problems. :/ also thank you.

IllinoisBoi1 said:
Ah crap, so that’s what I did wrong. I sincerely apologize for that. I’m not very smart when it comes to those types of things. That’s why this became a problem, see the problem is that I’m trying to be too active and so exact with my number count like how I wanted to get to exactly 20 forum posts or 375 favorites. I have some of that OCD causing problems. :/ also thank you.

It's okay :)

We're all 'not smart' in a lot of places... but we get better with time and practice. :) Sometimes when I"m not sure if I'm being clear, I read my post outloud to myself to see if it sounds okay, or just confusion. Sometimes I'll read the whole conversation to see if anything sounds weird, or if I'm confused.

Sometimes that can make me realize that my words don't make sense... and sometimes it can make something that I was confused about make more sense!

Writing is pretty weird when you think about it: we came up with a bunch of mouth sounds that make up a language, so that when I say 'dog,' we both imagine the same sort of animal. Then we came up with weird squiggly shapes that represent these mouth-sounds, all so that if I type "german shepherd" we both image the same, precise sort of animal. It's pretty amazing, honestly. It's no wonder that we get confused sometimes.

But, back to the point: It's okay. You'll get smarter. You'll get better in time. :) No one is ever bad at anything forever, unless they don't try to improve. Some people improve faster or more easily than others, and that's okay. the rest of us jsut need to keep trying and working at our flaws :)

As for OCD... I understand that. OCD is really hard to deal with sometimes. I have problems with OCD and my food--the 'right number' of cookies, the 'right size' of a bite... OCD's difficult. but the first step is acknowledging that you have a problem and not letting it control you. It doesn't hurt me, if I MUST have an even number of cherry tomatos in my salad, but it does hurt me when my brain says that 5 cookies is the right number of cookies. Posting or favoriting things doesn't hurt you--but ask yourself "does it add to the conversation" or "do I really want to post this?" .... I end up deleting about one or two forum posts a day before I send them because I feel like I'm not adding anything to the conversation. And that's okay.

We're all learning to be better people, day by day :) So it's okay. You don't have to be sorry. There's nothing to forgive. Just learn and do better :)

SnowWolf said:
It's okay :)

We're all 'not smart' in a lot of places... but we get better with time and practice. :) Sometimes when I"m not sure if I'm being clear, I read my post outloud to myself to see if it sounds okay, or just confusion. Sometimes I'll read the whole conversation to see if anything sounds weird, or if I'm confused.

Sometimes that can make me realize that my words don't make sense... and sometimes it can make something that I was confused about make more sense!

Writing is pretty weird when you think about it: we came up with a bunch of mouth sounds that make up a language, so that when I say 'dog,' we both imagine the same sort of animal. Then we came up with weird squiggly shapes that represent these mouth-sounds, all so that if I type "german shepherd" we both image the same, precise sort of animal. It's pretty amazing, honestly. It's no wonder that we get confused sometimes.

But, back to the point: It's okay. You'll get smarter. You'll get better in time. :) No one is ever bad at anything forever, unless they don't try to improve. Some people improve faster or more easily than others, and that's okay. the rest of us jsut need to keep trying and working at our flaws :)

As for OCD... I understand that. OCD is really hard to deal with sometimes. I have problems with OCD and my food--the 'right number' of cookies, the 'right size' of a bite... OCD's difficult. but the first step is acknowledging that you have a problem and not letting it control you. It doesn't hurt me, if I MUST have an even number of cherry tomatos in my salad, but it does hurt me when my brain says that 5 cookies is the right number of cookies. Posting or favoriting things doesn't hurt you--but ask yourself "does it add to the conversation" or "do I really want to post this?" .... I end up deleting about one or two forum posts a day before I send them because I feel like I'm not adding anything to the conversation. And that's okay.

We're all learning to be better people, day by day :) So it's okay. You don't have to be sorry. There's nothing to forgive. Just learn and do better :)

Thanks, I understand what I did wrong. I jumped into the forum thinking that net neutrality is bad, however the act of “REPEALING” it is really the problem. I assumed what I was saying was correct, I promise to be mindful about that. Also, you are pretty awesome on this site, not to mention that set of Disney and Cartoon Network characters. Anyways, love your advice and I will avoid assumptions in the future. :)

CollegeBasketball123 said:
Thanks, I understand what I did wrong. I jumped into the forum thinking that net neutrality is bad, however the act of “REPEALING” it is really the problem. I assumed what I was saying was correct, I promise to be mindful about that. Also, you are pretty awesome on this site, not to mention that set of Disney and Cartoon Network characters. Anyways, love your advice and I will avoid assumptions in the future. :)

Awesome! You're doing better than 99% of people :) You're learning from your mistakes! :D so awesome!

and, thank you *blush* Good luck!

When you have states telling the FCC to piss off, it really does make you question if we really need 'em at this point. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/02/fccs-attempt-to-kill-net-neutrality-challenged-by-new-washington-state-law/

Just when you thought the the Net Neutrality repeal is the only threat to the Internet.

https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2018/02/28/act-now-the-latest-effort-to-censor-you-fosta-is-here/

Just found it on 8-Chan. Please spread the word.

''After months of tension and a variety of smaller milestones, the FCC order voiding 2015’s net neutrality rules and instating its own, much weaker ones will finally take effect on June 11, the agency’s chairman Ajit Pai said today.''

Sooo, we're still f*ed i guess.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/10/net-neutrality-will-officially-die-on-june-11/

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
''After months of tension and a variety of smaller milestones, the FCC order voiding 2015’s net neutrality rules and instating its own, much weaker ones will finally take effect on June 11, the agency’s chairman Ajit Pai said today.''

Sooo, we're still f*ed i guess.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/10/net-neutrality-will-officially-die-on-june-11/

Meanwhile I been advocating for support in public funding In ad hoc based internet so it can be free. Literally and figuratively

Some hope (this happened the 16th, after the article cited above):

http://www.businessinsider.com/net-neutrality-senate-vote-cra-fcc-2018-5

Plus Ajit Pai is under investigation for being a corrupt piece of shit (gasp!) so maybe there is light at end of the tunnel.

I didnt spend time reading the entire thread here but i can clearly see a lack of information regarding the "Net neutrality" repel.

If you have half an hour watch this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dY-g823g04

If you don't here is a TL;DR

furry-hawk said:
I didnt spend time reading the entire thread here but i can clearly see a lack of information regarding the "Net neutrality" repel.

If you have half an hour watch this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dY-g823g04

If you don't here is a TL;DR

Internet isn't going to change and you really need to do better research.

Let's see...

Video is by "ShortFatOtaku" -- 33K subs about 115ish videos...

Let's see what sort of content we're looking at:

First 'big' video was one of a long series about Gamergate.. I see conspiracy posts about BLM kidnapping people, discussion of the pros and cons of political violence, "The Free speech "problem" ... several videos about how "the antifa" is manipulating people, jokes about cucks... capitalism is good, socialism is bad... "we can't blame everything on the neonazis".. and he believes that feminism is a problem.

Y'know.

Maybe this guy's video has a great point in it.

But all I'm seeing is another guy who probably would tell me that my family is bad, and that I don't deserve equal pay, or equal rights.

Maybe I'm wrong, but his first impression sucks.

Internet isn't going to change and you really need to do better research.

One youtube video that supports your thoughts on the matter does not mean that my research is invalid.

Also, you shouldn't comment on a thread if you're not goign to read most of it. Especially if the majority of the thread is MONTHS old.

I could understand a small video on youtube may not seem like much of a reliable source.

So let's look what wikipedia has to say about "Net neutrality" law.
(Note: i'm using quotation marks)

On 26 February 2015, the FCC ruled in favor of net neutrality by reclassifying broadband access as a telecommunications service and thus applying Title II (common carrier) of the Communications Act of 1934 to internet service providers.[13] On 14 December 2017, the FCC voted to repeal these net neutrality regulations, particularly by reclassifying broadband providers so that they are not considered common carries under Title II of the Communications Act of 1936.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_law

It is still a bit vague but let's look at what the FCC has to say about it (ofc if you cant trust your own government dont bother):

https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/60001029878.pdf

The "Net neutrality" law is only a shiny name used by the politicans so the common folks would simply ignore it but in reality it is a basic law which made ISP regulated by the government (illegal where i'm from). Reppeling it means ISP will have the same law they had back in 2015. Was 2015 like all of you have imagined the future ? no not at all.

Seriously i'm from the europe and watching the US cry about "the end of the world!" when in fact a 2 year old law is beeing removed is pathetic.

Note : this is my last post, i wont reply any further. You can discard all of my arguments, i really dont care my life isnt going to change but if you want to live the rest of your life misinformed and anxious be my guest.

furry-hawk said:
Seriously i'm from the europe and watching the US cry about "the end of the world!" when in fact a 2 year old law is beeing removed is pathetic.

It's not much to add on top of this, but I haven't noticed a single difference in my internet service before, during, and after NN.

Of course, I live in North Dakota which is basically in the middle of bumfuck nowhere up near Canada, I'd be surprised if any random on the street could point it out on the map. Not to mention my ISP isn't any of the well-known ones so that might actually be a big part of it.

Speaking of throttling, this just reminded me, my internet speed is being bumped from 75 down to 100 this summer.

furry-hawk said:
Seriously i'm from the europe and watching the US cry about "the end of the world!" when in fact a 2 year old law is beeing removed is pathetic.

Except the ISPs in your country agreed to a code of conduct mirroring net neutrality laws, and your government passed a law in 2017 that the ISPs need to be transparent about anything they do that wouldn't agree with net neutrality.

I glad that this conversation is still somewhat active, even to this month. As a website as dynamic as ours, it's important that we have an open-ended conversation about something that in my honest opinion could drastically affect the way it works. Regardless of which side you stand closer to, I'm relieved to see that people are at least talking about it.

Sadly, talking doesn't mean much if you can't do something about it.

https://www.battleforthenet.com

What do I miss?

I'm not quite active on the Internet today, but I'm came back for a while to say this...

I'm not sure if Net Neutrality is saved or not, but even if their plan to save Net Neutrality does work, I don't think it's likely, and even if we did bring it back after the upcoming election, the damage is already done.

Still glad to see more good news, but that doesn't mean a happy ending for internet-goers.

Also, where's the truth. Fake news are everywhere and I'm confused to see which one is right and which one is wrong.

20-Shades-Of-Faux-Pa said:
I glad that this conversation is still somewhat active, even to this month. As a website as dynamic as ours, it's important that we have an open-ended conversation about something that in my honest opinion could drastically affect the way it works. Regardless of which side you stand closer to, I'm relieved to see that people are at least talking about it.

Silent.

Why no one notice this?!

Gotta bump because of this.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Why no one notice this?!

Summer vacations/exam period i guess.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Summer vacations/exam period i guess.

And yet, people here are still talking about something other than Net Neutrality. Like didn't they care?

If you are a lawyer, you have to be forming at the mouth. If the internet companies think this will allow them to simply abuse they're power, I suggest they dont try it.
This is also prime example of why you shouldnt allow political party loyalty to make you stupid. It's just got me thinking, any republican supporters who support Net Neutrality, wouldnt be too happy to know, Trump out of simple spite, removed Obama's 2015 internet protection law and even placed Ajit Pai as head of the FCC.

Jinx_Jackal said:
If you are a lawyer, you have to be forming at the mouth. If the internet companies think this will allow them to simply abuse they're power, I suggest they dont try it.
This is also prime example of why you shouldnt allow political party loyalty to make you stupid. It's just got me thinking, any republican supporters who support Net Neutrality, wouldnt be too happy to know, Trump out of simple spite, removed Obama's 2015 internet protection law and even placed Ajit Pai as head of the FCC.

Don't get why are people are still sucking up the Democrats more than the Republicans. Don't really get it. It's like they are slowly eating our independence to swear loyalty to either political party. What's with all the bias? What's with all the fake news? I can't trust anyone!

Also, today is the Net Neutrality's end, where the FCC won and we lost. We surrender because we're weak. We truly are losers. Say goodbye to the Internet as we know it, and even if it's brought back, the damages is done.

I expect mass suicides soon.

Also, my depressions isn't cured yet.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Don't get why are people are still sucking up the Democrats more than the Republicans. Don't really get it. It's like they are slowly eating our independence to swear loyalty to either political party. What's with all the bias? What's with all the fake news? I can't trust anyone!

Also, today is the Net Neutrality's end, where the FCC won and we lost. We surrender because we're weak. We truly are losers. Say goodbye to the Internet as we know it, and even if it's brought back, the damages is done.

I expect mass suicides soon.

Also, my depressions isn't cured yet.

Wait, you think that tomorrow you and a one-two billion people will wake up without the internet or something to that effect? Nonsense.

The vital parts that ensure the government, economy and services are running will be unthrottled. Throttled sites will be a bit slower but not glacially slow.

As for censorship, well, if Pence doesn't ascend to presidency or Trump is not influenced by social ultra-conservatives/fundamentalists, FA will probably shell out the $$$ for higher bandwidth (E621 as well). Otherwise, you my friend will get to experience the wonderful underground and secretive status that furry had in the early 90's.

As for the politics, everyone is corrupt in their own way and is looking out primarily for themselves, nothing new under the sun.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Wait, you think that tomorrow you and a one-two billion people will wake up without the internet or something to that effect? Nonsense.

The vital parts that ensure the government, economy and services are running will be unthrottled. Throttled sites will be a bit slower but not glacially slow.

As for censorship, well, if Pence doesn't ascend to presidency or Trump is not influenced by social ultra-conservatives/fundamentalists, FA will probably shell out the $$$ for higher bandwidth (E621 as well). Otherwise, you my friend will get to experience the wonderful underground and secretive status that furry had in the early 90's.

As for the politics, everyone is corrupt in their own way and is looking out primarily for themselves, nothing new under the sun.

Corruptions is nothing new, of course. Haven't realized that until today, when I finally realized that the U.S. is slowly dying like the Internet after the repeal.

What's not to like is that if some website is blocked, will it shut down? Will it come back?

Also, I'm not a furry, just here for kemono art.

cerberusmod_3 said:
I'm not a furry, just here for Kemono art.

you do realize that kemono is japanese equivalent for furry

Net neutrality repeal takes effect today. But the battle isn't over yet, we're just getting started.

NEW YORK (AP) — Your ability to watch and use your favorite apps and services could start to change — though not right away — following the official demise Monday of Obama-era internet protections.

Any changes are likely to happen slowly, as companies assess how much consumers will tolerate.

The repeal of “net neutrality” took effect six months after the Federal Communications Commission voted to undo the rules, which had barred broadband and cellphone companies from favoring their own services and discriminating against rivals such as Netflix.

Internet providers such as AT&T, Verizon and Comcast had to treat all traffic equally. They couldn’t slow down or block websites and apps of their choosing. Nor could they charge Netflix and other video services extra to reach viewers more smoothly. The rules also barred a broadband provider from, say, slowing down Amazon’s shopping site to extract business concessions.

The battle isn’t entirely over, though. Some states are moving to restore net neutrality, and lawsuits are pending. Also, the Senate voted to save net neutrality, though that effort isn’t likely to become law.

For now, broadband providers insist they won’t do anything that would harm the “internet experience” for consumers. Most currently have service terms that specify they won’t give preferential treatment to certain websites and services, including their own.

However, companies are likely to drop these self-imposed restrictions; they will just wait until people aren’t paying a lot of attention, said Marc Martin, a former FCC staffer who is now chairman of communications practice at the law firm Perkins Coie. Any changes now, while the spotlight is on net neutrality, could lead to a public relations backlash.

Companies are likely to start testing the boundaries over the next six months to a year. Expect to see more offers like AT&T’s exemption of its DirecTV Now streaming TV service from customers’ mobile data limits. Rival services like Sling TV and Netflix count video against data caps, essentially making them more expensive to watch.

More than 20 states sued the government to stop the repeal, as did the public-interest group Free Press and the think tank Open Technology Institute and Firefox browser maker Mozilla.

Washington and Oregon now have their own net neutrality laws, and a bill is pending in California’s legislature.

That’s another reason companies are likely to move slowly, at least at first.

Eggplant said:
you do realize that kemono is japanese equivalent for furry

I'll consider it distinct from furry.

Volphied said:
Net neutrality repeal takes effect today. But the battle isn't over yet, we're just getting started.

I think we can assume that fight is pretty much over. Despite our best effort, there is nothing we can do to stop the Net Neutrality's demise from happening. We have to accept that we lost and if we do fight, what's the point? Nothing. We good men did nothing. We are silent.

Our only way is to never forget about it.

My silence is mostly because I have already said everything I have to say. If you'd like I can reiterate some of my prior posts?

Yes, it sucks right now, but we're not going to instantly plow into darkness tomorrow.

This stuff was voted in by the FCC, revoking rules from a few years ago.

Net neutrality can, easily, return. When the chairman isn't in verizon's pocket.

Politics take time.

Legal proceedings take time.

life takes time.

Do not forget about net neutrality, but we really cna't expect things to be fixed over night.

Yelling "GAME OVER MAN" and "THE END IS NEIGH" doens't help anything or anyone.

Now's the time to wait. making noise is good, but do it in the right places--tell your congress peoples, vote for the right people, remind peopel to vote, learn about your candidates.

But right now, just yelling about it won't do anything. It'll be lost in a sea of other things going on in the real world. It won't stay like this forever. Just... breath for a while now.

https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-is-now-really-officially-dead-open-internet-congress-now-what/

SnowWolf said:
My silence is mostly because I have already said everything I have to say. If you'd like I can reiterate some of my prior posts?

Yes, it sucks right now, but we're not going to instantly plow into darkness tomorrow.

This stuff was voted in by the FCC, revoking rules from a few years ago.

Net neutrality can, easily, return. When the chairman isn't in verizon's pocket.

Politics take time.

Legal proceedings take time.

life takes time.

Do not forget about net neutrality, but we really cna't expect things to be fixed over night.

Yelling "GAME OVER MAN" and "THE END IS NEIGH" doens't help anything or anyone.

Now's the time to wait. making noise is good, but do it in the right places--tell your congress peoples, vote for the right people, remind peopel to vote, learn about your candidates.

But right now, just yelling about it won't do anything. It'll be lost in a sea of other things going on in the real world. It won't stay like this forever. Just... breath for a while now.

https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-is-now-really-officially-dead-open-internet-congress-now-what/

I'm not talking about you guys being silent. It's just that we are silent towards the public, mostly those who are unaware of the Net Neutrality thing. I'm afraid that people are starting to forget about it as time goes on.

Also, I was being pessimistic.

cerberusmod_3 said:
I'm not talking about you guys being silent. It's just that we are silent towards the public, mostly those who are unaware of the Net Neutrality thing. I'm afraid that people are starting to forget about it as time goes on.

Also, I was being pessimistic.

No they wont. It might die down a a little but thats why people need to keep talking. Another reminder to get out and VOTE, because as of now, there are a lot of people in power taking things away that make the playing field fair for the little guy.

https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=618928905

Across the country, state officials have moved to keep net neutrality rules in place on their turf. According to the National Council of State Legislatures, governors in six states — New Jersey, New York, Montana, Rhode Island, Vermont and Hawaii — have signed executive orders upholding net neutrality, and three – Washington, Vermont and Oregon — have enacted legislation that does so. In January, attorneys general in 22 states and the District of Columbia filed a protective petition for review of the order.

Organizations that fought to preserve net neutrality say the battle isn't over.

"The gutting of net neutrality is a symbol of our broken democracy," Fight for the Future Deputy Director Evan Greer said in a statement. "But it has sparked an unprecedented backlash from across the political spectrum, and Internet users are coming out of the woodwork to fight tooth and nail in Congress, in the courts, and at the local and state level. ... The Internet is coming for net neutrality."

https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1006350822588862465
No one can win, you idiot! *Facepalm*

This thread relates to a political debate that is exclusively taking place in the United States.

And e621 is not the place to discuss this. It is even stated in the rules that politics should not be discussed here. Why isn't this thread locked?

I don't want this site to suffer the same fate as The SCP Foundation by subliminally implying that they take a specific political standpoint, which is COMPLETELY inappropriate for a website like this to do. By the admins allowing this thread to continue to be active, It confirms my suspicions.

The rules are reiterated in the first post. Net neutrality, censorship, and related legislation can all impact the site.

realandyisepic said:
It confirms my suspicions.

Big cringe, Mr. Holmes.

Lance_Armstrong said:
The rules are reiterated in the first post. Net neutrality, censorship, and related legislation can all impact the site.

Big cringe, Mr. Holmes.

I read the first post. But while you claim that it will impact the website, Net Neutrality is still an EXCLUSIVELY AMERICENTRIC POLITICAL topic, and it is something that shouldn't be brought up here.

We come here to fap. Not to push politics.

realandyisepic said:
I read the first post. But while you claim that it will impact the website, Net Neutrality is still an EXCLUSIVELY AMERICENTRIC POLITICAL topic, and it is something that shouldn't be brought up here.

We come here to fap. Not to push politics.

This website happens to be hosted in America. Maybe, internet throttling can go both ways--The servers themselves can be denied access to the network by the company in charge of the region its at. That would cause it to effect other countries.

Furrin_Gok said:
This website happens to be hosted in America. Maybe, internet throttling can go both ways--The servers themselves can be denied access to the network by the company in charge of the region its at. That would cause it to effect other countries.

I have been on the internet for many years, and I have NEVER seen ANY of my ISPs deny access to ANY website, unlike what you are claiming right now. And this was BEFORE Net Neutrality was introduced.

And I live in the United States

realandyisepic said:
I read the first post. But while you claim that it will impact the website, Net Neutrality is still an EXCLUSIVELY AMERICENTRIC POLITICAL topic, and it is something that shouldn't be brought up here.

We come here to fap. Not to push politics.

Actually, here in the forums, we're here to talk about the organization of the website, not fapping. And occasional off topic chatter. But mostly tags.

Anyway, you read the first post but not the thread itself.

Had you done so, you would have seen

• several people going off rails and becoming political--including...
• users being warned about violating the no-politics rules. Including....
• at least one person being banned because they could not keep the rules in mind.

Also, the website is hosted in America. American politics affect that.

SnowWolf said:
Actually, here in the forums, we're here to talk about the organization of the website, not fapping. And occasional off topic chatter. But mostly tags.

Anyway, you read the first post but not the thread itself.

Had you done so, you would have seen

• several people going off rails and becoming political--including...
• users being warned about violating the no-politics rules. Including....
• at least one person being banned because they could not keep the rules in mind.

Also, the website is hosted in America. American politics affect that.

But why is it that this thread is supposed to be about the organization of the website, yet the first post is blatant Pro-Net Neutrality propaganda? It even says this:

"We all have a duty to protect those rights. Send a comment. Tell F.C.C. chairman Ajit Pai that we won't take no as answer."

I see hypocrisy here.

In fact, fuck it. I know where is website is going. I know that IT WILL end up like the SCP Foundation.

realandyisepic said:
But why is it that this thread is supposed to be about the organization of the website, yet the first post is blatant Pro-Net Neutrality propaganda? It even says this:

"We all have a duty to protect those rights. Send a comment. Tell F.C.C. chairman Ajit Pai that we won't take no as answer."

I see hypocrisy here.

In fact, fuck it. I know where is website is going. I know that IT WILL end up like the SCP Foundation.

This particular politic will prevent users from using the site freely as they're meant to be able to. Of course the site is going to be against the change, it harms the userbase. Politics that have nothing to do with e621 are the ones the rule is for.

realandyisepic said:
But why is it that this thread is supposed to be about the organization of the website, yet the first post is blatant Pro-Net Neutrality propaganda? It even says this:

"We all have a duty to protect those rights. Send a comment. Tell F.C.C. chairman Ajit Pai that we won't take no as answer."

I see hypocrisy here.

Do you... understand what net neutrality is?

Do you understand what those laws were put into place to prevent companies from doing?

Yes. We have a political opinion here because in the worst case scenario, our usage of this website may be hindered by this. Or it may not. We understand that Net neutrality is controversial for some, and we had several people, again, in this thread, arguing against net neutrality.

This is hardly a one sided argument in an echo chamber. This was a discussion.

In fact, fuck it. I know where is website is going. I know that IT WILL end up like the SCP Foundation.

Then you don't have to be here.

No, seriously. If you disagree with how we do things, you can go. No one is forcing you to be here.

also:

I have been on the internet for many years, and I have NEVER seen ANY of my ISPs deny access to ANY website, unlike what you are claiming right now. And this was BEFORE Net Neutrality was introduced.

Well, we've ALREADY discussed this in the thread, but I'll go back over some of the relevant information.

• An ISP in North Carolina decided to block Vonage from working on their network. Vonage is a VoIP service and effectively allowed you to have a cheap phone line over a broadband connection. Said ISP offered landline telephone service. Vonage was, then, direct competition, and the action resulted in all of the Vonage customers having paid for a service that they were incapable of recieving, through no fault of Vonage. This was in 2004.
• In 2007, an social welfare nonprofit organization held a fundraising campain via text message. Every cellular provider gave the Okay, Except Verizon, which stated that they did not accept issue-oriented programs-- but DID allow for politicians to run fundraising campaigns.
• Speaking of Verizon, in 2008, the FCC opened a large block of the radio spectrum to Verizon. They were required obey some rules, however, including not interfering with any software running on it's network. The company required users who wanted to use their phone as a hotspot--tethering-- to pay a fee. Supposedly this was for the people who used a large amount of data, but even people on 'unlimited' plans had to pay this fee. The violation, though, came when they pressured google to remove 3rd party tethering apps.
• in 2012, AT&T blocked FaceTime from running on it's mobile network UNLESS you paid for and extra "Mobile Shared Data plan" (which required the "unlimited voice/text plan") ...
• Comcast offers a pay per view TV service. Comcast decided to block peer-to-peer traffic. All of it. Not just the pirated movies, but, everyone. I dunno about you, but I had/have several games that updated via p2p. I know many people use bittorrent to distribute files that they own the copyright to (indie games, indie music, etc) ... when asked about it, the denied it until the proof was sitting in their face. Interestingly, this was one of the events that eventually lead to individual data caps... which means us tooo....
• in 2008, Comcast put a 250 GB data cap for all users. A few years later, they made a streaming service for the Xbox. And all data streamed through their service would not cound towards said data cap. So: Any xbox owning comcast customer would have a whole lot of reason to use comcast's streaming service over netflix or an alternative.

Shall I continue? Have a few others: AT&T also tried to block skype and other VOIPS. MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except Youtube. in 2011-2013, ATT, Sprint and verizon all blocked access to google wallet because it competed with their stuff.

So. Sure. You, personally, have never had an issue with this. That doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. My dog's never bitten anyone, yet dogs bite people all the time. I don't do drugs, but the methhead down the street is not high on life.

Here, I found the full Net Neutrality document available to download on the FCC website. Can't believe no one has posted it yet.

Read ALL of it before responding.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-15-24A1_Rcd.pdf

realandyisepic said:
Here, I found the full Net Neutrality document available to download on the FCC website. Can't believe no one has posted it yet.

Read ALL of it before responding.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-15-24A1_Rcd.pdf

Let me see if I understand the way this conversation has gone correctly....

realandyisepic: "I have NEVER seen ANY of my ISPs deny access to ANY website, unlike what you are claiming right now. And this was BEFORE Net Neutrality was introduced."

Me: Well, it has happened. Here's a list of events.

realandyisepic: Read this FOUR HUNDRED PAGE document. read ALL of it.

... I don't think you understand how conversations and discussions works.

Probably won't be able to post til next week so it now or never

On a related note I been advocating for the public should be funding research into ad hoc based internet to get free internet in a literal abd figuratively sense.it part of this tech campaign I'm trying to support. I know this a just a furry porn site and all that, but since we're on the topic of net neutrality and stuff, I thought I should share that piece of info

https://gizmodo.com/california-is-now-inches-away-from-restoring-net-neutra-1828701308

After months of grueling committee proceedings, the California State Assembly on Thursday passed Senate Bill 822, all but ensuring that residents will soon enjoy the strongest net neutrality protections in the country.

“Today’s vote is a huge win for Californians everywhere,” State Senator Scott Wiener, the bill’s principal author, told Gizmodo.

Having been amended considerably, S.B. 822 will now return to the Senate, where it is expected to pass for a second time before being sent to Governor Jerry Brown’s desk for his signature or veto. While its evolvement into state law is not yet a complete lock, Thursday’s penultimate vote was undoubtedly the bill’s biggest hurdle to overcome, handing the Golden State’s net neutrality supporters a decisive and long-awaited victory.

Introduced on the floor by Assemblymember Miguel Santiago, chairman of the Communications and Conveyance Committee, S.B. 822 passed in a 58-17 vote, to the emphatic objections of several of the body’s Republican members.

Volphied said:
https://gizmodo.com/california-is-now-inches-away-from-restoring-net-neutra-1828701308

We're getting closer! If this bill could also apply to Nevada and the rest of the country, then we'd be able to wrap this little mishap up with a tidy little bow and call it a day. Unfortunately it doesn't, but that's not to say it won't ever!

They know it's ridiculous the thought of ISPs charging their customers based on what sites they visit, limiting bandwidth, and so forth this late. But due to the increase in internet users, and fact people nowadays binge more on streaming sites than watch television. Old Man Corporation and his brother Sam see the potential profit to satisfy their greed best interests.

https://gizmodo.com/it-sure-looks-like-wireless-carriers-got-busted-throttl-1828823399

Anyone holding out hope that the Federal Communications Commission’s repeal of net neutrality rules wouldn’t affect their internet better brace for some bad news. New research from the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and Northeastern suggests that all of the major U.S. telecom companies have been throttling traffic to and from apps like Netflix and YouTube. That means customers are getting lower quality video, because the internet service providers say so.

The data that backs up this startling claim comes from over 500,000 tests that looked at more 2,000 ISPs worldwide. Everything was collected through an app called Wehe, developed by the researchers, that has been downloaded by over 100,000 people. This amounts to one of the largest studies of its kind. Verizon appears to be the biggest culprit with 11,100 instances of what the researchers call “differentiation,” most of which involves throttling. AT&T was spotted treating traffic differently 8,398 times, and they identified T-Mobile doing it almost 3,900 times.

Need a few more stats to get angry? The throttling observed through the Wehe app was not minor. Bloomberg gives an example of a recent test wherein “Netflix speeds were 1.77 megabits per second on T-Mobile, compared with the 6.62 megabits-per-second speed available to other traffic on the network at the same time.” That’s about one third as fast. David Choffnes, one of the researchers behind the Wehe app, says YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, and NBC Sports have been throttled in similar ways.

You might recognize Choffnes’s name from a controversy earlier this year, when Apple rejected Wehe from its App Store. The app is designed to detect net neutrality violations but works a lot like speed test apps, like the one made by Ookla. Apple argued that the app “has no direct benefits to the user.” However, after the rejection was reported by Motherboard and others, the company approved the app.

This could be of interest to the murricans:

https://www.pcgamer.com/california-is-one-step-away-from-enacting-strongest-net-neutrality-rules-in-the-us/

The bill was finally signed

https://gizmodo.com/california-net-neutrality-bill-signed-into-law-1829402679

California Governor Jerry Brown on Sunday signed into law Senate Bill 822, legislation that seeks to reestablish net neutrality as the core principle by which internet service providers treat all data carried over their networks within the state.

Like the 2015 Open Internet Order repealed by the FCC in December, S.B. 822 extends to the state’s 40 million residents a host of legal protections aimed at reigning in the power of Big Telecom—a handful of companies that sell internet subscriptions to nearly 100 million U.S. broadband customers, many of whom live in neighborhoods with only a single provider option.

Around two dozen states pushed back after the FCC vote, legislatively and with executive action. Most of the bills are now dead, but of those that did succeed—Oregon, Washington, and Vermont have each enacted net neutrality legislation—none are as thorough in replicating the Obama-era protections as California’s.

And the tantrum has began
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/01/us-justice-department-sues-california-to-over-new-net-neutrality-law

The US justice department has sued the state of California, just hours after the state’s governor, Jerry Brown, signed legislation to restore internet protections known as net neutrality.

The justice department said it would take California to court on grounds that the federal government has the exclusive power to regulate net neutrality.

US attorney general Jeff Sessions said in a statement that “states do not regulate interstate commerce - the federal government does,” after California became the largest state to enact its own rules requiring internet providers to treat all web traffic equally.

https://www.pcgamer.com/us-congress-is-making-a-push-to-save-the-internet-with-bill-restoring-net-neutrality/

Next round seems to be beginning.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
https://www.pcgamer.com/us-congress-is-making-a-push-to-save-the-internet-with-bill-restoring-net-neutrality/

Next round seems to be beginning.

Congress is actually capable of doing something good? This is news to me.

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
https://www.pcgamer.com/us-congress-is-making-a-push-to-save-the-internet-with-bill-restoring-net-neutrality/

Next round seems to be beginning.

Took it long enough, and let's not forget Article 13. People need to spread as much as they could, although I won't hold my breath.

Most recent news:

https://www.pcgamer.com/court-rules-against-net-neutrality-but-leaves-room-for-states-to-push-their-own-rules/

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
Most recent news:

https://www.pcgamer.com/court-rules-against-net-neutrality-but-leaves-room-for-states-to-push-their-own-rules/

Let's just forget about the drama. The good ol' U.S. of A. as we all already know sucked. Don't care about the 2020 presidential election, either.

Also, U.N. and E.U. too, since they both tried to push some stupid laws.

I guess we all hate the western rulers.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Let's just forget about the drama. The good ol' U.S. of A. as we all already know sucked. Don't care about the 2020 presidential election, either.

Also, U.N. and E.U. too, since they both tried to push some stupid laws.

I guess we all hate the western rulers.

Wow, look at that, US politicians being absolute dickweeds, what a shock.