I've noticed people have been tagging 'horse' on images with a pegasus, unicorn or a centaur. At first I thought they were wrongly tagged, but I've seen more people doing it.

Should I tag them with 'horse' too, or is it incorrect tagging as I initially thought?

720p said:
I've noticed people have been tagging 'horse' on images with a pegasus, unicorn or a centaur. At first I thought they were wrongly tagged, but I've seen more people doing it.

Should I tag them with 'horse' too, or is it incorrect tagging as I initially thought?

They ARE Technically Equines.

Princess_Celestia said:
They ARE Technically Equines.

Which is the reason they all imply equine, I'm talking about them being tagged horse.

EDIT: Apparently centaur doesn't actually imply equine. That should probably be changed.

they should not be tagged horse... horsecock perhaps, if they have one.

Does horsecock imply horse? I dunno how to check, and it shouldn't, but might.

720p said:
EDIT: Apparently centaur doesn't actually imply equine. That should probably be changed.

Added.

as for horse on pegasus etc.. I dunno. someone can always search for horse -pegasus if they really want... on the other hand.. you could always have a zebra based unicorn... and zebra are not horses...

....
....
....
... I think that pegasus, unicorn, centaur etc should not be tagged with horse.

the biggest problem with this, though, is my little pony. because fans of the show will say "but Rainbow Dash is a pony." .. and pony implies horse. and then Rainbow Dash is a horse., in addition to being a pegasus :<

... and it also seems weird that, say, pinkie would be a horse, when rainbowdash would not be.

.... but it would be more correct that way. kind of.

Hammie said:
they should not be tagged horse... horsecock perhaps, if they have one.

Does horsecock imply horse? I dunno how to check, and it shouldn't, but might.

horsecock does not, because of things like this: post #79527

SnowWolf said:
Added.

as for horse on pegasus etc.. I dunno. someone can always search for horse -pegasus if they really want... on the other hand.. you could always have a zebra based unicorn... and zebra are not horses...

....
....
....
... I think that pegasus, unicorn, centaur etc should not be tagged with horse.

the biggest problem with this, though, is my little pony. because fans of the show will say "but Rainbow Dash is a pony." .. and pony implies horse. and then Rainbow Dash is a horse., in addition to being a pegasus :<

... and it also seems weird that, say, pinkie would be a horse, when rainbowdash would not be.

.... but it would be more correct that way. kind of.

Easily solved, alias pony to horse, and just tag my little pony pics with either unicorn, pegasus, both, or horse depending on the pony.

Hammie said:
Easily solved, alias pony to horse, and just tag my little pony pics with either unicorn, pegasus, both, or horse depending on the pony.

I don't see how aliasing pony to horse would really solve anything... The same concept can already be used without the alias?

720p said:
I don't see how aliasing pony to horse would really solve anything... The same concept can already be used without the alias?

Because then there's no pony tag for people to complain that the pegasus pony doesn't have when the normal ponies do.

Hammie said:
Because then there's no pony tag for people to complain that the pegasus pony doesn't have when the normal ponies do.

People adding invalid tags isn't really a reason to justify the removal of a tag that's used in a valid way on a large amount of images.

I would argue that pony is not a necessary tag.

The only time that it's really relevant is with my little pony, and there's a tag for that.

Hammie said:
I would argue that pony is not a necessary tag.

The only time that it's really relevant is with my little pony, and there's a tag for that.

The ponies ARE ponies, therefor PONY is a relevant tag. IT'd be like aliasing Cheetah to feline, its just not going to happen.

well, this is a decent question. *IS* pony a relevant tag?

a pony is defined as many things. Generally, it is a 'small horse'. it may be a horse that is under a certain height.. or a specific breed with specific conformation, generally smaller in size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Horse_riding_in_coca_cola_arena_-_melbourne_show_2005.jpg <-- pony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:289-o-Galant-SWE-71-SH-03.jpg <-- pony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T%C3%B6lt.jpg <-- not a pony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Feralpony.jpg <-- may or may not be a pony

pony -my_little_pony has a number of results... looking at them.. I see:

• a number of mlp posts that should be labled
• a lot of equines of indeterminate size.
• foals/cubs/young characters with 'adults'
• traditional unicorns. Like, the lion tail and everything.
• I'm pretty sure that at least 2 or 3 of these are clydsdales. (aka, huge honking horse)
• horse anthros that are not visibly smaller then any other species.

.... I kinda think that 'pony' is a redundant tag. I say this mostly because of ALL the pony pictures on the site, outside of MLP, only a small handful of them are not mlp, and most of them are indistinguishable from horses. I could see having a shetland_pony tag maybe for some cases, but generally.. yeah. or maybe pony_(breed)

the problem is that aliasing pony to horse is still going to have 'horse' on the pegasus, unicorn, etc.

plus, if we mass remove 'horse' from all the 'pegasus' pictures, then any images with a pegasus and an earth pony will be wrongly tagged.

I'd say maybe this is an arguement for having an earth_pony tag instead, but we'd have a rediculous amount of posts to go through and retag by hand.

Princess_Celestia said:
The ponies ARE ponies, therefor PONY is a relevant tag. IT'd be like aliasing Cheetah to feline, its just not going to happen.

I think it'd be closer to aliasing, say, maine_coon or tabby_cat to cat. or king_cheetah to cheetah. cheetah to feline is closer to pony to equine... in my opinion.

On the contrary, it would be more similar to aliasing toy_poodle to poodle.

There is no difference between a pony and a horse other than size, an issue that's even more confused by the existence of miniature horses.

The only accurate way to decide if a horse is a pony is to measure it's height, and since these are pictures, not horses that can be measured...

SnowWolf said:
or king_cheetah to cheetah

This was exactly the example I was going to write, but then I refreshed and saw that you beat me to it while I was at dinner.

*shakes fist*

Hammie said:
On the contrary, it would be more similar to aliasing toy_poodle to poodle.

that's a REALLY good one, actually. :D tha'ts better then any of the comparisons I came up with. Though maine coons and tabby cats tend to be REALLY visually generic. but poodles come in a lot of sizes so yeah :D

There is no difference between a pony and a horse other than size, an issue that's even more confused by the existence of miniature horses.

THat actually isnt' true. there are several breeds that are CALLED pony. but pony is also the word for horses under a certain height (like midget/dwarf/tiny person), and pony is also a word often used to affectionatly describe horses in general. (like.. the word kid? kids are people under a certain age, but you can call people kid as a friendly or insulting nickname, without actually suggesting that they are children... similarly, baby goats are called kids. and.. yeah. I'm really sleepy, so this might not make sence....)

but, ponies are a thing, just.. in a 'world' where an elephant/hippo/bison and a mouse/rabbit/cat/dog can be nearly the same size (post #45396 post #194493 post #202634) ... or be drastically differnet in size... just depending on character/artist whim... can we really judge if an anthro or feral horse is a 'pony' at all?

The only accurate way to decide if a horse is a pony is to measure it's height, and since these are pictures, not horses that can be measured...

and this.

Snowy said:
This was exactly the example I was going to write, but then I refreshed and saw that you beat me to it while I was at dinner.

*shakes fist*

MWAHAHAHAHA :D I win this round! :D

though actually I disagree with it now. king cheetahs at least have distintive patterns. I'd implicate those, not alias XD

Yeah, I think that the only truly reasonable pictures that can be tagged a pony are My Little Pony, since that's part of the show.

That is a bit of tagging what you know though, and regardless there's already a my little pony tag, or two, so we don't really need the pony tag as well.

Then we can just maintain separate horse, unicorn, and pegasus tags and everyone's happy.

Butm then, this:

the problem is that aliasing pony to horse is still going to have 'horse' on the pegasus, unicorn, etc.

plus, if we mass remove 'horse' from all the 'pegasus' pictures, then any images with a pegasus and an earth pony will be wrongly tagged.

I"m sleepy, but no matter how you shake it, I think you're going to have the idea that there will be several thousand pegasuses and unicorns with 'horse' tagged on them that need to be MANUALLY removed, while retaining the 'horse' tag for 'pure horse' breeds.

and that's really the problem.

that and people have been tagging pony on ponies, pegasus, and uniicorns for like a year and change. tough habit to break :C

SnowWolf said:
though actually I disagree with it now. king cheetahs at least have distintive patterns. I'd implicate those, not alias XD

Just because it's a better analogy doesn't mean it's a good alias!

Snowy said:
Just because it's a better analogy doesn't mean it's a good alias!

point back to you :D I really shouldn't post when I'm so sleepy XD

I'd think you might as well let the pony tag stand for the My Little Pony and remove the pony tag from all non-MLP posts (with any appropriate exceptions that apply).

When we think of the species of the MLP characters, we don't think of them as horses (although they are), but as ponies. This is an instance when they're recognizable enough as a pony to justify being tagged as pony. Pony as a tag isn't redundant with MLP as a tag, either, as there no doubt are posts on e621 in which MLP applies but not pony, for example, pictures with Spike or Glynda in them. Plus, we're used to tagging MLP characters as ponies and it would save on a lot of effort cleaning up the hundreds of MLP pictures.

In short, pony + MLP, yes. Pony + not MLP, falls under TWYS pretty much.

Clawstripe said:
I'd think you might as well let the pony tag stand for the My Little Pony and remove the pony tag from all non-MLP posts (with any appropriate exceptions that apply).

When we think of the species of the MLP characters, we don't think of them as horses (although they are), but as ponies. This is an instance when they're recognizable enough as a pony to justify being tagged as pony. Pony as a tag isn't redundant with MLP as a tag, either, as there no doubt are posts on e621 in which MLP applies but not pony, for example, pictures with Spike or Glynda in them. Plus, we're used to tagging MLP characters as ponies and it would save on a lot of effort cleaning up the hundreds of MLP pictures.

In short, pony + MLP, yes. Pony + not MLP, falls under TWYS pretty much.

Wouldn't removing pony from every non-MLP image just give more reasons for it to be aliased to horse, and not really solve any problems at all?

720p said:
Wouldn't removing pony from every non-MLP image just give more reasons for it to be aliased to horse, and not really solve any problems at all?

This, if you removed pony from all non-MLP, then you just alias it to horse as suggested, and MLP + horse gets you the same result that MLP + pony would.

Hammie said:
This, if you removed pony from all non-MLP, then you just alias it to horse as suggested, and MLP + horse gets you the same result that MLP + pony would.

Wait... what's the point in removing pony from all non-MLP if it's just going to be aliased?

720p said:
Wait... what's the point in removing pony from all non-MLP if it's just going to be aliased?

There is no point, that's what I was trying to say.

Basically, keep it all, or alias the pony tag to horse, anything half measures in between those isn't going to solve any problems.