Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
Implicating public_transportation → public
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I'm surprised it took this long for me to realize this.
If someone wants to make a list of tags that might imply public_transportation, that'd be awesome
EDIT: The tag implication public_transportation -> public (forum #278262) has been rejected by @NotMeNotYou.
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Isn't public exclusively for sexual content?
Or is the wiki explanation no longer official/correct?
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MagnusEffect said:
Or is the wiki explanation no longer official/correct?
Without even checking the wiki or wildcard searching for all public tags:
Sorry to put you on the spotlight, but this is important for everyone dealing with aliases/implications:
Anyone can make/edit the wiki unless it is locked. If it's locked, then it's as good as official. However, even admins make mistakes. Just because we said "this is the intended usage" doesn't mean it will be used that way; it might be counterintuitive or just vague in general.
What I want to see in tag discussions isn't just "The wiki said so" or even "A staff member said so." Challenge yourselves to think why something is defined the way it is, and if there are more specific yet useful and intuitive tags we can use.
If I was an asshole I'd just disambiguate it, because the line between public and outdoors is blurry sometimes. That could use a cleanup.
This brings me to an upsetting tangent:
Outside and inside. If you can figure out and understand why these are upsetting me, you probably have a decent understanding of how tags and the average tagger work here. Keep up the good work.
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What good is the public tag as an umbrella for both SFW and NSFW public scenes? I feel it would be better to have an ambient_group tag, to suggest there's a crowd of people around.
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Public doesn't have to imply other people are around or visible. It would just mean a place that's not restricted or private. Technically it doesn't even have to mean being outside (a public library or public bath, for example). As Knotty Curls alludes to, though, the line between what's public and what's not can get rather blurry. I couldn't say how to manage that.
I would just say that I agree with them that it's better off as an umbrella term. Having separate tags for public_masturbation, public_sex, public_nudity, public_display_of_affection (or something lessy wordy, being extra affectionate or touchy-feely in a public space, without nudity or sex), etc, are better at finding specific kinks, and I see no reason to not let the tag also encompass SFW things or situations where it makes sense to. e6 isn't porn-only, so a general tag like public has no reason to imply porn or NSFW content.
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Furrin_Gok said:
What good is the public tag as an umbrella for both SFW and NSFW public scenes?
Bit of context before I answer that -
I'm starting to favor tags with fewer or no arbitrary conditions. I believe that will make it easier for new taggers to get started without needing to read the wiki or ask questions all the time.
things hardly anyone seems to do anyways
It feels weird beating "Tag what you see, not what you know!" into every user's head, because we turn around and yell at users for not being aware that we can only tag x if certain criteria are met.
e621 has a lot of power to sort and search, but its learning curve is ridiculous. The site's initial difficulty to navigate and intimidating community probably make us lose more potential power users than gain any.
As for our remaining power users - we are a dying breed. It's time to start thinking about the world we want to leave our baby taggers.
Here's a counterexample: clothed vs nude ferals.
Is it technically correct to tag nude on a solo feral image if they aren't wearing clothes? Yes, according to TWYS.
But I believe tags carry connotations.
What I mean by that is, when the average user searches nude or feral individually, they expect to see certain content. Correct me if I'm wrong: I think most users searching nude expect anthro characters. Users searching feral either expect the character to be nude or don't even think about clothes. Those who do search for feral + clothed, but that also pulls images with clothed anthros and ferals, clothed or otherwise.
But what if there was a way to:
Enter clothed_feral. It was perfect in theory, but multiple things went wrong:
So yeah, I admit that the combination of rules we tried to implement are unintuitive. An exception led to further exceptions, leaving a mess.
It is technically correct that public has a sexual connotation on this site. But according to TWYS, it does not only apply to sexual content.
Users browsing for public sexual content won't be too inconvenienced by non-sexual content. They can blacklist rating:s. A small extra step, but that's all they have to do. Even if they didn't, safe posts currently make up roughly 300 out of 12600 public posts on this site.
If they're looking for a specific public image and all they can remember is the setting, public narrows the search by miles.
That's what umbrella tags and disambiguations are ultimately for: narrowing searches while still covering the largest possible number of posts. Assuming their wiki pages are populated with implications and/or tag suggestions, eager taggers can read the wikis then tag posts even further. All without confusion or hesitation over our arcane rules.
I feel it would be better to have an ambient_group tag, to suggest there's a crowd of people around.
I think we have the *focus tags for that, like solo_focus.
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I'm definitely in favor of making public the more general catchall for the various public_* tags.
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D.D.M. said:
-1 to this. A PSA is an announcement in service to the general public/populace, not necessarily an announcement in public. PSAs can be on TVs, cellphones, newspapers, etc, all of which can be seen in non-public settings.
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Watsit said:
-1 to this. A PSA is an announcement in service to the general public/populace, not necessarily an announcement in public. PSAs can be on TVs, cellphones, newspapers, etc, all of which can be seen in non-public settings.
Yeah, I wasn't quite sure about that one either. I'll strikeout that implication.
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The tag implication public_transportation -> public (forum #278262) has been rejected by @NotMeNotYou.
