So, after rereading the original topic #16575, and seeing some old "news" on the topic of circumcision via digital media, I thought of another to use in lieu of uncut.

Uncircumcised, presently aliased to uncut, seems like a good "middle of the way" name for a tag for the state of an intact foreskin on the penis. It is a recognized word, and it more specifically refers to the penis, instead of uncut which is more general. It also mirrors the tag circumcised, with only the prefix "un-" being applied to show that it's not circumcised. This means that a person that knows one word can draw a conclusion to what the other means, and if a person knows neither they can at least see that they are related...

So, I'm willing to say than an alias of uncut to uncircumcised would be a good alias. The only cons I can imagine are either already present in uncut, or stems from the length of the word. We could also make an implication from uncircumcised to foreskin, since an uncircumcised penis would have the foreskin... but this draws to the problem: how do we tag foreskin?

The other topic in that thread was that we could use foreskin in lieu of uncut, and was mostly a ping-pong contest of pointing out the pros and cons of either tag. In foreskin's case, the expected use of the tag, by the standard user, would be to see the foreskin on the penis, and the issue is that by calling it "foreskin", it can also be used to tag the (medical) gore as a result of a circumcision. These are two drastically different expectations, so we used uncut instead, but uncut is a vague term that means "not cut" by name. An alias from foreskin to uncut was made, but has since then been redacted.

Since expecting someone or some people to manually keep keep foreskin and circumcision separate would be impossible (and might be against the rules, or so I speculate), we'd have to address this problem in a different way. However, it might be that there is no way to solve this problem. Or, that we'd keep foreskin as a catch-all for just foreskin, uncircumcised to refer to it being on the penis,a and circumcision with it in the image as valid. So far, we have 16 posts tagged circumcision foreskin, over the 16k posts with just foreskin, so... should it even be considered a problem? As

siral_exan said:
Uncircumcised, presently aliased to uncut, seems like a good "middle of the way" name for a tag for the state of an intact foreskin on the penis.

That'd be perfectly fine with me. Though I'd expect that to cause the exact same core complaint as before: some users insisting that the 'un'-part makes it sound like it promotes circumcision. That argument never made much sense to me. 'Unhurt' is preferable to being 'hurt', etc.

Holy shit I must have blinked and missed all this when it went down.
After reading that thread I'm terrified to comment on any specific point here. I have several that are all ultimately inconsequential if it's just going to be is arguing over wording semantics.
I knew circumcision is an already touchy subject but wow.

siral_exan said:
So far, we have 16 posts tagged circumcision foreskin, over the 16k posts with just foreskin, so... should it even be considered a problem? As

Has this been messed with since you posted? I'm counting 15 for circumcision uncut and only 10 for circumcision foreskin, out of 20 for circumcision ~uncut ~foreskin

magnuseffect said:
Has this been messed with since you posted? I'm counting 15 for circumcision uncut and only 10 for circumcision foreskin, out of 20 for circumcision ~uncut ~foreskin

I can show a screenshot of the 16 posts (four had been deleted) if it's necessary, but I hope it isn't necessary. yes, I'm that paranoid. I prefer "it always helps to be prepared"..

Seriously, one of my questions here is whether or not these results are OK, silently messing with them is not helping.

forum #276562 uncut needs to imply foreskin and none of the foreskin tags should imply uncut, see foreskin_pull which does and can often happen during circumcision/penis_circumcision.

This should have been dealt with a long time ago. Uncut doesnt need to exist. Intact_Penis does the job if you insist on an "uncut" tag. Weve been over this for literal years now its time to fix it.

Also yes. God its important. It is. I wouldnt have made that thread 4 years ago if it wasnt.

The issue was worked on. It was ostensibly fixed. Parasprite literally quit over it bc you two and others harassed them out of it and guess what now Its been left a mess ever goddamn since.

Genjar your opinion on this is "status quo is god" which I dont think I need to explain why and how wrong that is.

Siral I have no idea why youre digging this up just now when its been brought up so many times since the original thread went to hell.

Ive made several forum posts about this. It needs to get fixed. Its important.

It would not have changed to begin with if there wasnt a reason to do it.

Oh and one last thing. The only reason the circumcision tag is as it is rn is bc I simply didnt have the time in my schedual to fix it completely.

And it looks as if some of my stuff Id done earlier has been undone.

*Edit*
Checked again and the tags are being for the most part used correctly.

In the tagged images of circumcision uncut

Theres a missing foreskin tag bc uncut does not properly imply foreskin like its supposed to on those. And secondarily however there are circumcision themes. Tools. And implements in use but only in two images has their been no cutting yet.

The tags are correct in their literal use.

I don't know how to reply to your post, Demesejha. At first, your post looks like you're venting on us, but then your post edit seems to acknowledge what I'm saying. I brought this up for a number of reasons, but I feel the most important is that this isn't really the same discussion between that thread and this.

I'm discussing whether or not we should alias uncut to uncircumcised, and uncircumcised imply foreskin. Foreskin and uncircumcised will remain separate, and the consequence of this might not be a problem.

This being said, what is your take on this? What points do you agree or disagree on?

Siral said:
I don't know how to reply to your post, Demesejha. At first, your post looks like you're venting on us, but then your post edit seems to acknowledge what I'm saying. I brought this up for a number of reasons, but I feel the most important is that this isn't really the same discussion between that thread and this.

I'm discussing whether or not we should alias uncut to uncircumcised, and uncircumcised imply foreskin. Foreskin and uncircumcised will remain separate, and the consequence of this might not be a problem.

This being said, what is your take on this? What points do you agree or disagree on?

Apologies for being saucy I had just woken up and was irritable.

It should be aliased into either uncircumcised or more appropriate would be Intact_penis.

Foreskin should be implied by it but not imply "Uncut" and the tags need fixing.

optimally people think "foreskin" when they say uncut anyway,after all as gruesome as it is vulvas can be cut and the clitoris and labia minora removed. that counts as Cut or "Circumcised" but thats not what were aiming at with "Uncut"

The term should just be foreskin as it matches ALL other foreskin tags that exist already and fixes the clutter... But it does remove the distinctualisation between cut/uncut as in with images OF circumcision.

The best thing people seem to agree on is keep some variant of "uncut" and make it imply foreskin, and have foreskin be the expected general use tag as an umbrella, as "intact" and "uncut" are foreskin specific descriptors anyway.

I am fairly confused about the semantics here. Why does swapping uncut to a tag that is aliased to it now make it okay to imply foreskin when it wasn't before? How does changing the name solve anything? Is uncut not being used correctly?

I don't prefer the term uncircumcised personally, but it is a lot better than the term intact penis. That would bother me a lot if that became a thing.

thevileone said:
I am fairly confused about the semantics here. Why does swapping uncut to a tag that is aliased to it now make it okay to imply foreskin when it wasn't before? How does changing the name solve anything? Is uncut not being used correctly?

I don't prefer the term uncircumcised personally, but it is a lot better than the term intact penis. That would bother me a lot if that became a thing.

The issue stems from what uncut means by the dictionary, and what it means by the site. Uncut's dictionary meaning is "not cut", and otherwise nothing alludes to the penis; on e621, the usage explicitly refers to the state of having foreskin on the penis. This exact same meaning on-site can have another word used, the dictionary meaning of uncircumcised. A circumcision is the medical process of removing foreskin off of the penis, and circumcised means that the penis underwent a circumcision, ergo an "uncircumcised" penis would refer to the state of having foreskin on the penis.

The intent of the alias reversal is to make it clearer to use with the average user, and so an implication to foreskin would make more sense. Uncircumcised mirrors circumcised almost to a T, the only difference is the addition of a prefix "un-", which means not. This lets people draw a conclusion if they know what one word means, but not the other, or lets non-native English speakers know that the words are at least related to each other. It's better than using circumcised and uncut, which do not mirror each other unless you're medically inclined enough to know that circumcision is typically made with a cut...

Therefore, the "semantic" is for replacing uncut with something easier to use.

thevileone said:
I am fairly confused about the semantics here. Why does swapping uncut to a tag that is aliased to it now make it okay to imply foreskin when it wasn't before? How does changing the name solve anything? Is uncut not being used correctly?

I don't prefer the term uncircumcised personally, but it is a lot better than the term intact penis. That would bother me a lot if that became a thing.

The issue largely also comes from the fact that before now you could not even tag foreskin to begin with. The term was aliased away Into uncut, it was separated because the term was inaccurate in several cases and on top of that Uncut did not match the rest of the tags. Theres a forum link at the top of the thread going into why it was done.

Just gonna #YOLO TL;DR the whole thing, but just once again pointing out non-native speakers:
first word to come in mind when trying to search for content where character is not circumsized is foreskin and this is most likely what I would come up with translators as well. Uncircumsized is not only hard and long word (not sure did I write that correctly), also counterintuitive as that makes it feel like not default state of penis when it is default state of penis. Uncut still makes me think of some movie covers which state the content to be fully uncensored.

Additionally foreskin being outside of penis is not the default state for foreskin, so it makes sense to have seperate tag for stuff that foreskin has gone trough. Yes, from objective standpoint word foreskin should still apply to even foreskin that's taken away from the penis, which I remember being partially the reason for contesting of the tags, but at the same time, we still have lots of users searching with tag gay (which I know as I'm seeing several people posting links to the site and URL containing that) and getting exactly the content they are looking for.

Is there any news on fixing this?

I'm not circumsized, and I'm against the practice, but I have no problem with the tag uncircumsized, it's perfectly explanatory. uncut sounds too vague like people have said, maybe aliasing it to uncut_penis would work better. intact_penis just sounds silly, like the alternative is a dick that's been chopped up like currywurst.

jockjamdoorslam said:
I'm not circumcised, and I'm against the practice, but I have no problem with the tag uncircumcised, it's perfectly explanatory. uncut sounds too vague like people have said, maybe aliasing it to uncut_penis would work better. intact_penis just sounds silly, like the alternative is a dick that's been chopped up like currywurst.

Intact in this case really only means "not messed with" hence the name. Uncircumcised definitely works and uncut is too vague yes.

For the record the tags have no Z in them.