marflebark said:
*marflebark noises*

Was gonna make a serious reply but then I saw your records and favs. Not gonna waste my energy.

I love when you can tell the instant that a person opens their mouth that you can tell that they have a negative record.

just wanted to chip in and say please never never ever ban feral. we cannot let this site end up like flo.

What I like about it: It has an overall nice design and I like the attempt at allowing blacklists with some semblance of standardized tagging. I do wish that it had, say, different sections for tags to allow an uploader to think about the tags with a bit more handholding instead of just "describe the whole image". I find that it can be helpful when given some direction.

What I'd like to see: Currently there is no way to move images from one album to another, or to add a preexisting image to a new album made after the fact. This is supposedly being worked on, though I think that this should have been handled when the rest of album function was being set up. It seems kind of weird to have only half the features needed for albums/folders to work properly, though I suppose the site is still developing. I hope this doesn't take long.

What I don't like about it: Mixing furry and politics was never a good idea and trying to out-fringe everyone else is just going to lead to a premature death of a community as those not so extreme either get ousted or leave out of irritation or exhaustion. We don't need another Tumblr (or now Twitter, I guess). I shouldn't have to feel bad for posting my work anywhere because of what I am or what I'm not. Nobody should. Telling me I shouldn't feel a particular way because of some bullshit reason isn't magically a better look than if I were to do it to another person of another type or group. It just isn't. You will not change my mind.

Moreover, growing your community should not rely on another site "doing something stupid"-- look at Weasyl. Weasyl banked on various FA exodus "movements" to grow, resulting in their numbers simply rubberbanding when people realize there was no business to be found, leading them to come right back to FA because, at the end of the day, I have bills to pay and good vibes aren't a valid currency. Going as far as also banning certain kinds of content also doesn't sit right with me unless it's done out of concern for the law. Arbitrarily banning things, on the other hand, just causes confusion and upsets current or prospective users...especially with how they've taken to it. Allowing one thing because it's fiction is very much like how hentai took to the use of tentacle monsters and similar because it's *technically* not breaking any rules. What then?

I guess time will tell.

marflebark said:
FLO is what I fear… FA will become…

You say that like FA isn’t already well on its way, and that this isn’t the inevitability of every website.

ratte said:
Moreover, growing your community should not rely on another site "doing something stupid" ...

Lol, isn't that the premise for Furry Network as well? With FurAffinity's acquisition by IMVU.
I can even see the similarities in how FN dealt with their own cub ban (and subsequent suggestions on banning feral or nsfw all together).

It just goes to show how volatile the opinions of a community can be in a community-oriented site. And the inevitability to cave in to public opinion when it comes to banning content.
I'm actually glad that e6 is an image-oriented site (image booru) rather than a community-oriented one, with the community taking more of a concern on the quality and tagging of posts rather than its content.

But seeing how the majority of snuff & gore get downvoted to oblivion regardless of their artistic merits, it just further reinforces the point of how hard it is to create a centralised community hub while accounting for every niche of the furry community.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Lol, isn't that the premise for Furry Network as well? With FurAffinity's acquisition by IMVU.
I can even see the similarities in how FN dealt with their own cub ban (and subsequent suggestions on banning feral or nsfw all together).

It just goes to show how volatile the opinions of a community can be in a community-oriented site. And the inevitability to cave in to public opinion when it comes to banning content.
I'm actually glad that e6 is an image-oriented site (image booru) rather than a community-oriented one, with the community taking more of a concern on the quality and tagging of posts rather than its content.

But seeing how the majority of snuff & gore get downvoted to oblivion regardless of their artistic merits, it just further reinforces the point of how hard it is to create a centralised community hub while accounting for every niche of the furry community.

In general I don't like the arbitrary banning of content unless, as I said, it's due to laws. Even then I don't like it, but I definitely can understand why it's done.

I don't actually know much about FN other than it's basically dead. It really seems that any site made with the blackjack-and-hookers idea in mind just ends up failing, especially when your community only exists when another site does something dumb. I'm not saying that there should only ever be one place forever but maybe "because I want to ban all the people I disagree with" isn't the best premise to start your own site/community.

Decided to peek in that site and read up the ToS and policy and stuff. To my surprise, some of it is inspired from e6 rules. The 6-month neutral removal (they call it “infractions”), they got their own quality standards (we’ll see how hard they’re gonna enforce that), their own lil slice of patreon with paid subscriptions, the whole hot tamale. The drama they put themselves through initially turned me off from the site but I’d still give it a chance. Sounds all nifty to me, but we’ll see.

darryus said:
I love when you can tell the instant that a person opens their mouth that you can tell that they have a negative record.

It must be terribly difficult for a person to be filled with hatred, self-doubt, and misinformation and think everyone else is wrong to hold them accountable for it.

As for FLO, it's just another furry site with its own mission and vision, and people either like it or they don't. Furries themselves are as varied in their interests as any other non-extremist subculture, and it makes sense that the web sites catering to them would be, also.

So, it's been another month since FLO existed. And I'm pretty sure the comments here have interesting thoughts. What's the status on FLO's second month now?

alexyorim said:
So, it's been another month since FLO existed. And I'm pretty sure the comments here have interesting thoughts. What's the status on FLO's second month now?

It's a circlejerk. Nobody cares anymore. Check back in a year.

lance_armstrong said:
It's a circlejerk. Nobody cares anymore. Check back in a year.

Would be planning to do that.

Welp, I apologize if I necrobump this, as it has been two years since I have posted this. And suffice to say FLO is dead and gone at this point.
A furry version of Twitter like FLO one would have been potentially a good alternative to the actual Twitter (which is in flames right now), but alas...

alexyorim said:
Welp, I apologize if I necrobump this, as it has been two years since I have posted this. And suffice to say FLO is dead and gone at this point.
A furry version of Twitter like FLO one would have been potentially a good alternative to the actual Twitter (which is in flames right now), but alas...

Done long ago:

https://baraag.net/about
source:*baraag*

It has very simple rules to keep out the types that tore FLO into pieces, too.

post #3539699

lance_armstrong said:
Done long ago:

https://baraag.net/about
source:*baraag*

It has very simple rules to keep out the types that tore FLO into pieces, too.

post #3539699

Mastodon seems to be a reasonable choice these days.

alexyorim said:
Mastodon seems to be a reasonable choice these days.

Should probably pick a nicer server than baraag, though. Every visit I've made there has made me want to hose down my computer.

lonelylupine said:
Should probably pick a nicer server than baraag, though. Every visit I've made there has made me want to hose down my computer.

Literally?

alexyorim said:
Literally?

Hyperbolically.

There's mastodon.art for art in general and meow.social for more of a furry focus. The meow.social instance will require an invitation from someone already on it, though, as it's hitting performance limits.

I would consider Mastodon, if they lay off the smugness that it's better than Twitter.

alexyorim said:
I would consider Mastodon, if they lay off the smugness that it's better than Twitter.

I think most Twitter alternatives are going to be that way for a while.

lonelylupine said:
I think most Twitter alternatives are going to be that way for a while.

That's like saying your service is better than AOL dial up in 1999. Even most dial-up was better. XD

Surprised to see FLO being talked about again after a couple of years. I wanted to write this because I still feel guilty about my own role in what happened then, and I wanted to get this off my chest in a place that won't likely be deleted.

I don't know how many people actually saw how the whole situation started, but I remember it clearly. I was investigating this new upstart furry art site, and I had seen a couple tweets on twitter about how FLO had banned feral artwork on their site. I myself have a feral 'sona, so I looked into their site rules and didn't see any such rule. Confused, I asked about this and referenced the tweet, explaining the situation with my 'sona and asking if I'd be allowed to post art there. They initially said there was no problem, and I was happy, but unknown to me, I had lit a fuse that would trigger other people on Twitter, who were still reeling from the whole Kuro situation. Over that night and the next morning, I witnessed things spiraling as people started registering just to attack myself and anyone else who had mentioned having feral 'sonas, and my mental health took a nosedive. I would try to post my own story as to why I had a feral 'sona (no, it has nothing to do with wanting to do anything IRL), with the hope that perhaps a few people would realize that not everyone with one were monsters, but unfortunately the flywheel of hate was unable to be stopped.

Eventually, I left the site behind, realizing it was not a good place for me as some users were actively engaged in purposefully traumatizing me, in a twisted hope that by doing so I would become a good person. The staff at the time didn't want to be seen as siding with someone like me, so they wouldn't do anything. However, a year later, their position would be reversed as part of moving to a cheaper hosting solution, and they reached out to me to apologize, which I very much appreciated. By that point it was too late, though, and the site was pretty much dead. Some months after, the site would officially shut down.

Moral of the story: If you have a feral 'sona, keep your head down, don't make waves, and never, ever, engage with any community you aren't absolutely sure won't be hostile to you.

kyureki said:
Surprised to see FLO being talked about again after a couple of years. I wanted to write this because I still feel guilty about my own role in what happened then, and I wanted to get this off my chest in a place that won't likely be deleted.

I don't know how many people actually saw how the whole situation started, but I remember it clearly. I was investigating this new upstart furry art site, and I had seen a couple tweets on twitter about how FLO had banned feral artwork on their site. I myself have a feral 'sona, so I looked into their site rules and didn't see any such rule. Confused, I asked about this and referenced the tweet, explaining the situation with my 'sona and asking if I'd be allowed to post art there. They initially said there was no problem, and I was happy, but unknown to me, I had lit a fuse that would trigger other people on Twitter, who were still reeling from the whole Kuro situation. Over that night and the next morning, I witnessed things spiraling as people started registering just to attack myself and anyone else who had mentioned having feral 'sonas, and my mental health took a nosedive. I would try to post my own story as to why I had a feral 'sona (no, it has nothing to do with wanting to do anything IRL), with the hope that perhaps a few people would realize that not everyone with one were monsters, but unfortunately the flywheel of hate was unable to be stopped.

Eventually, I left the site behind, realizing it was not a good place for me as some users were actively engaged in purposefully traumatizing me, in a twisted hope that by doing so I would become a good person. The staff at the time didn't want to be seen as siding with someone like me, so they wouldn't do anything. However, a year later, their position would be reversed as part of moving to a cheaper hosting solution, and they reached out to me to apologize, which I very much appreciated. By that point it was too late, though, and the site was pretty much dead. Some months after, the site would officially shut down.

Moral of the story: If you have a feral 'sona, keep your head down, don't make waves, and never, ever, engage with any community you aren't absolutely sure won't be hostile to you.

Feral hate is wild to me. I get wanting to keep the zoos out (and seriously fuck the lot of them,) but you can't ban feral without unravelling the whole concept of furry. At that point, it looks like they were trying to divide and conquer the furry community, but they gave the game away with being too aggressive with their wedge issues.

kyureki said:

Over that night and the next morning, I witnessed things spiraling as people started registering just to attack myself and anyone else who had mentioned having feral 'sonas, and my mental health took a nosedive. I would try to post my own story as to why I had a feral 'sona

Mistake #1: Using Twitter
Mistake #2: Responding to idiots

The only winning move was not to play, don't consider yourself in any way at fault for mass moron movements.

votp said:
Mistake #1: Using Twitter
Mistake #2: Responding to idiots

The only winning move was not to play, don't consider yourself in any way at fault for mass moron movements.

Mistake #3: Having a unique ID in the form of a 'sona.