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The bulk update request #239 has been rejected.
remove implication disembodied_penis (60851) -> male (2515499)
Reason: A disembodied penis doesn't necessarily belong to a male character.
EDIT: The bulk update request #239 (forum #295537) has been rejected by @Millcore.
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How so? When can a disembodied penis not be considered male? You're missing some vital information here...
kemonophonic said:
https://e621.net/wiki_pages/1398
- This always counts as a male character, no exceptions.
Maybe we should revisit that, too? Looking at the wiki history, that rule was set in 2014, and gender tagging has changed since then.
siral_exan said:
How so? When can a disembodied penis not be considered male? You're missing some vital information here...Setting aside the case where the character is unknown, how should I tag a disembodied_penis known to belong to a gynomorph?
khayyam said:
Setting aside the case where the character is unknown, how should I tag a disembodied_penis known to belong to a gynomorph?
The more relevant point is, tag what you see. If there is nothing to indicate that the character is a gynomorph/herm/etc., then the character therefore looks like a male, thus this implication. If the character does have some additional physical identifiers, then disembodied penis no longer applies.
strikerman said:
If the character does have some additional physical identifiers, then disembodied penis no longer applies.
It can. See topic #16201. The color of a disembodied penis is enough to impute a character tag, but the penis is still disembodied.
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khayyam said:
It can. See topic #16201. The color of a disembodied penis is enough to impute a character tag, but the penis is still disembodied.
"Additional physical identifiers" in terms of breasts, a torso, a wider view of the crotchular area, etc.
Hypothetically, what should we tag if we see a herm character's disembodied genitals (i.e. a disembodied penis AND pussy together)?
thegreatwolfgang said:
Hypothetically, what should we tag if we see a herm character's disembodied genitals (i.e. a disembodied penis AND pussy together)?
Pretty sure that if you can see more than just the penis / balls, then it no longer is a disembodies penis. Tag it as faceless_male (or whatever gender is most appropriate from visible information).
khayyam said:
It can. See topic #16201. The color of a disembodied penis is enough to impute a character tag, but the penis is still disembodied.
Character name is somewhat of an exception from the "tag what you see" principle.
Gender must be obvious from the picture itself.
thegreatwolfgang said:
Hypothetically, what should we tag if we see a herm character's disembodied genitals (i.e. a disembodied penis AND pussy together)?
Even as a hypothetical, how would that work?
bitwolfy said:
Pretty sure that if you can see more than just the penis / balls, then it no longer is a disembodies penis. Tag it as faceless_male (or whatever gender is most appropriate from visible information).
strikerman said:
Even as a hypothetical, how would that work?
I don't know if disembodied_pussy in itself is a viable tag but hypothetically, if these -
post #719362 post #506599 post #187769
were to feature herm genitals.
khayyam said:
A disembodied penis doesn't necessarily belong to a male character.
We only tag what is visible. What 'might' exist outside of the image is irrelevant. (Nothing actually exists there, since it's just an image.). Therefore, disembodied penis is 'male'.
thegreatwolfgang said:
I don't know if disembodied_pussy in itself is a viable tag but hypothetically, if these -
post #719362 post #506599 post #187769
were to feature herm genitals.
Might be possible for the first one, but not for the other two posts. As soon as there's more than just the genitalia visible, it becomes faceless_* instead of disembodied_*.
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genjar said:
We only tag what is visible. What 'might' exist outside of the image is irrelevant. (Nothing actually exists there, since it's just an image.). Therefore, disembodied penis is 'male'.
Wouldn’t that mean it shouldn’t be tagged as male since we don’t know if is meant to be male or not
After all that would be outside the image
no-one-you-know said:
Wouldn’t that mean it shouldn’t be tagged as male since we don’t know if is meant to be male or notAfter all that would be outside the image
Occam's razor. The only parts we can see suggest that the character is a male, therefore we tag male.
Edit: the same logic extends to every post where not every anatomical aspect of the character is visible. Like, in this post, we don't have a clear view of their genitals, but nothing about them suggests they're anything but male and female.
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I think looking at this may help: howto:tag_genders.
Disclaimer: Tags are just reflection of what's visible in an image, not the label of character's actual gender.
Penis or pussy?
A visually disembodied_penis has neither breasts nor a feminine body.
riverinadryland said:
I think looking at this may help: howto:tag_genders.A visually disembodied_penis has neither breasts nor a feminine body.
A visually disembodied_penis doesn't have a masculine body, either. Without further information about its owner, it could belong to either a male or a gynomorph. It's "tag what you see", not "tag what you think is most likely based on what you see".
khayyam said:
A visually disembodied_penis doesn't have a masculine body, either. Without further information about its owner, it could belong to either a male or a gynomorph. It's "tag what you see", not "tag what you think is most likely based on what you see".
If you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.
khayyam said:
A visually disembodied_penis doesn't have a masculine body, either. Without further information about its owner, it could belong to either a male or a gynomorph. It's "tag what you see", not "tag what you think is most likely based on what you see".
Are you just trolling right now?
"Tag what you see" means that without any other indications of gender, a character with a penis is male. I am not sure why it's such a complicated concept to understand.
I'm going to devil's advocate this a bit, what about posts like this one:
post #1331018
does this post not deserve both the disembodied_penis and gynomorph tags? we can gather that the owner if the penis is the character in the bubble and they would be a gynomorph, and the penis is visibly not attached to anything.
does TWYS;NWYK, extend to not being able to use your intuition to link the character in the bubble with the penis in the image and therefore gynomorph not apply?
or, conversely, does disembodied_penis not apply to this post since more than the penis of the character is visible, despite the penis being literally disembodied?
The bulk update request #239 (forum #295537) has been rejected by @Millcore.
