The bulk update request #710 has been rejected.

remove implication toriel (16082) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication alphys (5004) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication undyne (5631) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication asgore_dreemurr (4257) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication burgerpants (435) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication monster_kid (997) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication fuku_fire (117) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication ice-e (14) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication rabbit_shopkeeper (188) -> undertale (42943)
remove implication onionsan (58) -> undertale (42943)

Reason: Now that none of these characters appear only in Undertale any more (appearing in Deltarune, as well), these implications no longer seem appropriate to me. I also feel like the other characters that appear in both games should either get new tags, or have their tags split into two different tags with different suffixes-catty_(undertale) and catty_(deltarune), for example. For those looking to vote on this BUR who have only a passing knowledge of the two games: The creator of both, Toby Fox, has explicitly stated they're not set in the same world, and playing through both games, you can easily tell for yourself that they're parallel realities, rather than the same world. And neither game's story has anything at all to do with the other's.

EDIT: The bulk update request #710 (forum #305684) has been rejected by @Millcore.

Disclaimer: I don't know anything about Undertale, and everything in this post is based on about 5 minutes of research on Google

This seems wrong. This is just going to cause a barrage of people who want to know why pictures of Toriel aren't coming up when they search undertale or people who blacklist it getting annoyed at Undertale characters still appearing when they have undertale on their blacklist.

It doesn't make any sense that these characters no longer relate to Undertale, even if they make an appearance in another game. If an image depicting Toriel is no longer automatically tagged with Undertale, in which cases is it applicable to add it manually? How can I tell whether an image depicts the Undertale or Deltarune version of Toriel without any outside knowledge? The only difference between the two versions of Toriel is the clothing, so any posts that are nude or alternative clothing are indistinguishable. If I can't tell which version of Toriel is depicted should it be tagged with neither Undertale or Deltarune? Should all the posts that have already been tagged with Undertale be removed on a case-by-case basis? I could write many more questions but I fear making this post too long.

As far as I know there's not really any other cases like this that set a precedent what to do here. In most cases an implication would be made to a series tag rather than to a specific game, but these are "two separate video games" which makes that not really apply here. Maybe a character that appears in both games could implicate both Undertale and Deltarune, it's a little unorthodox but I can't really see any better way to handle it.

faucet said:
Disclaimer: I don't know anything about Undertale, and everything in this post is based on about 5 minutes of research on Google

This seems wrong. This is just going to cause a barrage of people who want to know why pictures of Toriel aren't coming up when they search undertale or people who blacklist it getting annoyed at Undertale characters still appearing when they have undertale on their blacklist.

Well, the majority of people who want to see pictures of Toriel will just put "toriel" in their search parameters. And if somebody who has the undertale tag blacklisted gets annoyed that related characters are still showing up, they can just add the deltarune tag, too.

faucet said:
It doesn't make any sense that these characters no longer relate to Undertale, even if they make an appearance in another game.

And I'm not saying that they no longer relate to Undertale. I'm saying that adding their character tags shouldn't automatically add the undertale tag, because it could be a picture of them from Deltarune, instead.

faucet said:
If an image depicting Toriel is no longer automatically tagged with Undertale, in which cases is it applicable to add it manually? How can I tell whether an image depicts the Undertale or Deltarune version of Toriel without any outside knowledge? The only difference between the two versions of Toriel is the clothing, so any posts that are nude or alternative clothing are indistinguishable. If I can't tell which version of Toriel is depicted should it be tagged with neither Undertale or Deltarune?

I really don't have an answer for this one. But that's what discussion is for, no?

faucet said:
Should all the posts that have already been tagged with Undertale be removed on a case-by-case basis?

If you mean "Manually go through all posts with these characters tagged, and change the tags to deltarune instead of undertale where appropriate," then yeah, that's pretty much how it works with tags that get de-implicated from other tags. I mean, there are tagging tools out there that allow you to tag posts without having to actually load it up, go to the edit section, etc., so I imagine one of those could be used to make the process less tedious...but, still. Any time a de-implication goes through, that's a grind that needs must be done.

faucet said:
As far as I know there's not really any other cases like this that set a precedent what to do here. In most cases an implication would be made to a series tag rather than to a specific game, but these are "two separate video games" which makes that not really apply here.

Images of Peter Parker in his spider suit, and images of Miles Morales in his own spider suit, both get tagged as Spiderman, they just also get tagged as the appropriate Spiderman universe. "Different reality, same franchise" hasn't ever stopped images from sharing an umbrella tag, before. So, yes, there actually is a precedent for what to do-use the individual game tags where appropriate, but also tag them with a franchise tag that covers them all. The solution, here, would be to come up with some new umbrella tag to cover both Toby Fox games.

faucet said: As far as I know there's not really any other cases like this that set a precedent what to do here.

The only precedent I can think of is final_fantasy, where the characters are separated by game instead of implying the series as a whole.
But I don't know enough about either Final Fantasy or Deltarune to tell if it's the same situation here.

bitwolfy said:
The only precedent I can think of is final_fantasy, where the characters are separated by game instead of implying the series as a whole.
But I don't know enough about either Final Fantasy or Deltarune to tell if it's the same situation here.

Beyond a handful of exceptions, the Final Fantasy games exist in entirely separate universes, with the only common points being broad-stroke elements (enemies, spells, etc.). Undertale and Deltarune outright share a bunch of characters, but again they're completely separate universes. Kinda like Deltarune is an AU-fanfic version of Undertale, with all the characters shuffled around to new roles.

I'm not sure why Undertale and Deltarune are being kept separate. They're different universes, but Toriel, Asgore, Undyne, Alphys, Sans, etcetera are all basically the same character. They have some different relationships in each universe, but their general personality and their appearance are the same. Undyne never lost her eye, that's about it.

The bulk update request #710 (forum #305684) has been rejected by @Millcore.