Topic: [APPROVED] Prequel (Comic) BUR

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

bitWolfy

Former Staff

The bulk update request #1072 is active.

remove implication prequel (0) -> the_elder_scrolls (12045)
remove implication prequel (0) -> webcomic (0)
remove implication katia_managan (2771) -> prequel (0)
remove implication nah (0) -> prequel (0)
remove implication asotil (23) -> prequel (0)
mass update prequel -> prequel_adventure
create implication prequel_adventure (2990) -> the_elder_scrolls (12045)
create implication prequel_adventure (2990) -> webcomic (0)
create implication katia_managan (2771) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication nah (0) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication asotil (23) -> prequel_adventure (2990)

Prequel, or Making a Cat Cry: The Adventure, is a webcomic. The one Katia Managan comes from.

I disagree with using the prequel tag to refer to it, though. It is simply too vague to be tied down to one specific webcomic.
Instead, I suggest renaming the tag to prequel_adventure, since that's what the website the comic is hosted on is called.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1072 (forum #312835) has been approved by @bitWolfy.

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bitwolfy said:
The bulk update request #1072 is active.

remove implication prequel (0) -> the_elder_scrolls (12045)
remove implication prequel (0) -> webcomic (0)
remove implication katia_managan (2771) -> prequel (0)
remove implication nah (0) -> prequel (0)
remove implication asotil (23) -> prequel (0)
mass update prequel -> prequel_adventure
create implication prequel_adventure (2990) -> the_elder_scrolls (12045)
create implication prequel_adventure (2990) -> webcomic (0)
create implication katia_managan (2771) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication nah (0) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication asotil (23) -> prequel_adventure (2990)

Prequel, or Making a Cat Cry: The Adventure, is a webcomic. The one Katia Managan comes from.

I disagree with using the prequel tag to refer to it, though. It is simply too vague to be tied down to one specific webcomic.
Instead, I suggest renaming the tag to prequel_adventure, since that's what the website the comic is hosted on is called.

Might even need more cleaning than that. There look to be a number of images that inadvertently got tagged with all the implications of the Prequel webcomic that appear to be completely unrelated.

saglinger said:
Might even need more cleaning than that. There look to be a number of images that inadvertently got tagged with all the implications of the Prequel webcomic that appear to be completely unrelated.

listerthesquirrel said:
Maybe some of them have dictionary prequel element (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prequel ),
maybe alias prequel -> prequel_(disambiguation)?

It actually does not look too bad.
If you remove all major character tags, you are only left with 26 images: prequel -katia_managan -quill-weave -rajirra -s'thengir -weedum-ja.

And most of those seem related to the comic one way or another.

The bulk update request #2449 is active.

create implication rajirra (179) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication s'thengir (54) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication stephane_(prequel) (7) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication sigrid_(oblivion) (31) -> oblivion (1007)
create implication weedum-ja (18) -> oblivion (1007)
create implication nah_(prequel) (22) -> prequel_adventure (2990)

Reason: My Sequel BUR to bitWolfy's Prequel BUR. Implication of a few missing character tags. If I missed any, please do tell.

Just a heads up, I took the liberty of updating nah to nah_(prequel).

EDIT: The bulk update request #2449 (forum #334078) has been approved by @bitWolfy.

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gattonero2001 said:
The bulk update request #2449 is active.

create implication rajirra (179) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication s'thengir (54) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication stephane_(prequel) (7) -> prequel_adventure (2990)
create implication sigrid_(oblivion) (31) -> oblivion (1007)
create implication weedum-ja (18) -> oblivion (1007)
create implication nah_(prequel) (22) -> prequel_adventure (2990)

Reason: My Sequel BUR to bitWolfy's Prequel BUR. Implication of a few missing character tags. If I missed any, please do tell..

No.
I'd have to check others, but at the very least quill-weave is a canon oblivion character
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Quill-Weave

Weedum-Ja and Sigrid are also Oblivion characters. I'm not sure if Prequel's Sigrid is distinct enough to justify her _(prequel) suffix.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Weedum-Ja
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Sigrid

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gattonero2001 said:
Though now I'm wondering if oblivion should be disambiguated as well.

I'd say yes. It's a normal word indicating "the condition or state of being forgotten or unknown", and is also colloquially used to refer to complete destruction or some inescapable hellscape. In the Elder Scrolls series itself, Oblivion is a particular place where demons reside (to put it in generic terminology), and the game was given that name because of it's link to that place in its lore. Oblivion was in Morrowind and Skyrim too, and there are pieces of art which can be said to contain the concept of oblivion (in the non-Elder Scrolls sense).

watsit said:
I'd say yes. It's a normal word indicating "the condition or state of being forgotten or unknown", and is also colloquially used to refer to complete destruction or some inescapable hellscape. In the Elder Scrolls series itself, Oblivion is a particular place where demons reside (to put it in generic terminology), and the game was given that name because of it's link to that place in its lore. Oblivion was in Morrowind and Skyrim too, and there are pieces of art which can be said to contain the concept of oblivion (in the non-Elder Scrolls sense).

As you know, I’m not a fan of creating more tag cleanup work when it isn’t necessary. So the question here is: is this necessary?

Yes, “oblivion” is a word in the English language. However, I’m having a hard time imagining anything depicting “oblivion.” It roughly equates to “nothingness,” and I don’t know what that’s supposed to look like, other than perhaps the lack of a background. The word is, however, commonly associated with the (extremely popular) Elder Scrolls franchise.

So… have there actually been any posts mistagged as Oblivion that have no Elder Scrolls content?

scaliespe said:
Yes, “oblivion” is a word in the English language. However, I’m having a hard time imagining anything depicting “oblivion.” It roughly equates to “nothingness,” and I don’t know what that’s supposed to look like, other than perhaps the lack of a background.

The background, a character, or the image as a whole in the process of disappearing, bringing someone or something to a state of oblivion, perhaps also with themes of nihilism or fatalism.

scaliespe said:
So… have there actually been any posts mistagged as Oblivion that have no Elder Scrolls content?

Yes:
post #2425490 post #2184122
Both were initially tagged "oblivion" which has been removed. The second example even having the removal reason: "Removing "oblivion" tag because it recognizes it as the bethesda game and not the keyblade". So "Oblivion" is the name of things in other franchises too.

watsit said:
The background, a character, or the image as a whole in the process of disappearing, bringing someone or something to a state of oblivion, perhaps also with themes of nihilism or fatalism.

I feel like there could be a better name for something like that regardless.

Yes:
post #2425490 post #2184122
Both were initially tagged "oblivion" which has been removed. The second example even having the removal reason: "Removing "oblivion" tag because it recognizes it as the bethesda game and not the keyblade". So "Oblivion" is the name of things in other franchises too.

In fairness, the first one was just horribly tagged to begin with; about half the initial tags had to be removed. The uploader tagged a bunch of random and irrelevant words like “raining” (it’s not raining) “macro” (it’s not macro) “raid” (what?) “lost” (what?) “futures” (again, what?) and, somehow, a random My Little Pony character also got tagged on it. So unless we also want to disambiguate tags like “macro” and “raining,” I don’t think that’s a good argument against keeping oblivion as-is.

The second one is a more valid argument. At least there was actually something called “oblivion” in that one. It seems pretty obscure, though.

I don’t feel like this is necessary, but I’ll leave that up to the admins bitWolfy to decide.

scaliespe said:
I feel like there could be a better name for something like that regardless.

Probably, but I could still see people tagging something like that for some kind of emo or edgy image.

scaliespe said:
In fairness, the first one was just horribly tagged to begin with; about half the initial tags had to be removed. The uploader tagged a bunch of random and irrelevant words like “raining” (it’s not raining) “macro” (it’s not macro) “raid” (what?) “lost” (what?) “futures” (again, what?) and, somehow, a random My Little Pony character also got tagged on it. So unless we also want to disambiguate tags like “macro” and “raining,” I don’t think that’s a good argument against keeping oblivion as-is.

"Lost" was probably a result of trying to tag "dragalia lost" as two separate words. "Macro" might've been because they think they're macro characters (though there's nothing else in the image to gauge their size, so you're right that it shouldn't apply). The MLP character was likely a result of the alias from nyx, and I could see "futures" being something related to the game along with "oblivion" (though I don't know the game well enough to say with certainty).

scaliespe said:
In fairness, the first one was just horribly tagged to begin with; about half the initial tags had to be removed. The uploader tagged a bunch of random and irrelevant words like “raining” (it’s not raining) “macro” (it’s not macro) “raid” (what?) “lost” (what?) “futures” (again, what?) and, somehow, a random My Little Pony character also got tagged on it. So unless we also want to disambiguate tags like “macro” and “raining,” I don’t think that’s a good argument against keeping oblivion as-is.

chronos nyx raid

is referring to the character's boss fight in dragalia_lost
chronos nyx was entered without the underscore, entering them as two separate tags, as was dragalia lost
I personally disagree with nyx, the name of a Greek goddess being aliased to a MLP character
dimensional oblivion is apparently one of this boss's attacks in-game and was also entered without an underscore.

That's uhh, most of the tags explained

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The bulk update request #2452 is active.

remove alias nyx (0) -> nyx_(mlp) (106)

Reason: Not really related to the thread, but since it came up…

Nyx is the name of not only a deity from classical mythology, but a Warframe character that is about equally popular, along with dozens of original characters. Leaving a common term aliased to an obscure MLP character is bound to cause mistags.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2452 (forum #334125) has been approved by @bitWolfy.

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scaliespe said:
The bulk update request #2452 is active.

remove alias nyx (0) -> nyx_(mlp) (106)

Reason: Not really related to the thread, but since it came up…

Nyx is the name of not only a deity from classical mythology, but a Warframe character that is about equally popular, along with dozens of original characters. Leaving a common term aliased to an obscure MLP character is bound to cause mistags.

Not just obscure, but from a decade old fanfic series. Very silly alias.

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