Topic: [APPROVED] Those Are Fruits, Not Vegetables

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #1191 is active.

remove implication cucumber (382) -> vegetable (7662)
remove implication zucchini (26) -> vegetable (7662)
remove implication pea_(food) (55) -> vegetable (7662)
create implication cucumber (382) -> fruit (41143)
create implication zucchini (26) -> squash_(fruit) (68)
create implication legume (305) -> fruit (41143)

Reason: There are generally two ways of categorizing fruits and vegetables: by the botanical definition, or by the culinary definition. The botanical definition is a scientific one, whereas the culinary definition is determined by how the plant is used in cuisine. Currently, the division of fruits and vegetables on this site is divided between these two methods seemingly at random. However, it’s closer to matching the botanical definition than the culinary one. Changing these three fruits so they imply fruit rather than vegetable would align everything with the botanical definition. By contrast, avocado, eggplant, olive_(fruit), pepper_(fruit), squash_(fruit), and tomato are all culinary vegetables that currently imply fruit as per their botanical definitions (and the eggplant wiki even explains how it’s a culinary vegetable, but botanically it’s a type of berry). Note that zucchini is actually a type of squash, but it does not yet imply squash_(fruit).

Furthermore, the scientific definitions are probably more relevant to this site, since it has nothing to do with the culinary world. We tend to shoot for scientific accuracy particularly as it regards species, which may come into play regarding things like living_fruit.

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Edit: changed implicate pea_(food) -> fruit to implicate legume -> fruit due to a recent BUR that implicated pea to legume. However, pea still implies vegetable despite that.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1191 (forum #314803) has been approved by @slyroon.

Updated by auto moderator

Zucchini and cucumber is fine but peas are the seeds while the pod is a fruit, so a pea on its own isn't a fruit

votp said:
... Isn't "vegetable" just a general term for plant matter?

It is, but in general use, it's used for plants raised for some edible part of it, such as the leaves, roots, or flowers, but not including fruits, grains, herbs, or spices, or that particular edible part. It's also used for someone who's basically incapable of interacting with the surrounding environment such as some stroke victims or people on their cellphones.

faucet said:
Zucchini and cucumber is fine but peas are the seeds while the pod is a fruit, so a pea on its own isn't a fruit

‘Peas’ can also also refer to the edible pod, such as in snow peas, which is the entire fruit. Besides, a seed is still part of a fruit, so it’s not entirely inaccurate. I’d even suggest that seed should implicate fruit as it’s a fruit part, except that not all seeds necessarily come from fruits. But in the case of the pea, it does, so the implication isn’t invalid.

lafcadio said:
Tags can have multiple implications at once. No reason you need two BURs.

… I’m dumb sometimes
Thanks, fixed it.

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