The bulk update request #1318 is pending approval.

create implication battle_for_dream_island (196) -> object_shows (307)
create implication inanimate_insanity (65) -> object_shows (307)
create implication object_overload (2) -> object_shows (307)
create implication object_mayhem (4) -> object_shows (307)
create implication mysterious_object_super_show (1) -> object_shows (307)
create implication algebralien (0) -> alien (77550)
create alias object_show (0) -> object_shows (307)

Reason: All of the series implied to object shows are, well, object shows. It's essentially a genre of youtube webcartoon that is also it's own fandom similar to the furry or brony fandom, just focused on anthro cartoon objects rather than anthro cartoon animals or ponies. All of these series have a similar format and style of character design that is inspired by BFDI, the first object show.

Algebralien should be implied to alien because they're canonically a race of aliens in BFDI.

The aliasing of object_show to object_shows should be self explanatory hopefully.

Alien is a bad tag, IMO. It's not based on any visual element, breaking TWYS, and is rather meaningless for tagging purposes since it says nothing about what's in the post.

I spy an attempt to create another video_games tag. We do not, in general, tag types of media that characters originated from. Doing so breaks TWYS, as the images on this site may feature those characters in a context far removed from their original one, and the characters themselves may not even take the same form as their canon depictions.

For blacklisting purposes, animate_inanimate works just fine. For searching, I'm sure the fans of these shows are capable of keeping track of their own fandoms, just like fans of the many movies about talking cartoon dogs have managed for years.

wat8548 said:
I spy an attempt to create another video_games tag. We do not, in general, tag types of media that characters originated from. Doing so breaks TWYS, as the images on this site may feature those characters in a context far removed from their original one, and the characters themselves may not even take the same form as their canon depictions.

For blacklisting purposes, animate_inanimate works just fine. For searching, I'm sure the fans of these shows are capable of keeping track of their own fandoms, just like fans of the many movies about talking cartoon dogs have managed for years.

Then should the object_shows tag really exist in the first place? I just saw that it's a thing and thought that it seemed logical for these series to be aliased to it. Personally I find it to be extremely helpful but it's annoying to have to manually add posts to it from all these different shows.

wat8548 said:
I spy an attempt to create another video_games tag. We do not, in general, tag types of media that characters originated from. Doing so breaks TWYS, as the images on this site may feature those characters in a context far removed from their original one, and the characters themselves may not even take the same form as their canon depictions.

For blacklisting purposes, animate_inanimate works just fine. For searching, I'm sure the fans of these shows are capable of keeping track of their own fandoms, just like fans of the many movies about talking cartoon dogs have managed for years.

The video_games issue is still under debate, and admins have not yet decided what to do with it. It may actually be useful to categorize posts by the type of media they originated from. That, however, is a debate for another thread.

watsit said:
Alien is a bad tag, IMO. It's not based on any visual element, breaking TWYS, and is rather meaningless for tagging purposes since it says nothing about what's in the post.

It’s sort of a catch-all for certain types of creatures that cannot be described with any other tag. That’s better than simply not having any species tag on some posts, or using unknown_species (which I think should only be used as a last resort). It also serves as an umbrella tag for various alien species. Regardless, it might be useful to at least restrict the tag to traits that popular culture identifies as alien, which would arguably require removing many of the implications the tag has, such as kig-yar and na'vi. But that’s a discussion for another thread…

gaytrac3r said:
Then should the object_shows tag really exist in the first place?

No. There are other such examples, e.g. visual_novel, which in 99% of cases have nothing to do with the content of the image. That's not an excuse to add more.

wat8548 said:
I spy an attempt to create another video_games tag. We do not, in general, tag types of media that characters originated from. Doing so breaks TWYS, as the images on this site may feature those characters in a context far removed from their original one, and the characters themselves may not even take the same form as their canon depictions.

For blacklisting purposes, animate_inanimate works just fine. For searching, I'm sure the fans of these shows are capable of keeping track of their own fandoms, just like fans of the many movies about talking cartoon dogs have managed for years.

Oh hey somebody trying to force their controversial opinion as if it's a fact, when in truth it's nothing but an opinion on a controversial matter.
Edit: Wait, Object Shows isn't a video game according to a google. Just what was the attempted create?

furrin_gok said:
Edit: Wait, Object Shows isn't a video game according to a google. Just what was the attempted create?

As far as I read it, it's not about video games specifically, it's about creating another blanket "has something to do with this type of media" tag that is hard to consistently define and use, especially in the context of (a stricter interpretation of) Tag What You See. There's a reason tags like anime, cartoon, and movie are aliased/invalidated away.

I feel like it'd be much easier to define an object show than you guys think. Sure there'll be some instances that fall in a gray area, but that's something that'll always happen and you just have to try and minimize.

These are all screenshots from object shows. Sure the finer details of the style varies, but the general gist of the style stays the same. Not only that, but all of these series are from creators who interact with the general object show fandom, and everyone in the fandom agrees that they are object shows.

You could argue that fanart has more varied styles than official series, but that's honestly the case with most media. Plus, fanart doesn't change that the original shows it's based on are object shows.

Almost universally, the traits of an object show are:

• Has a cast that is mostly animate_inanimate characters
• Is noticeably inspired by Battle_for_Dream_Island or another major object show (or in the case of BFDI, it is BFDI)
• Has a specific character design style with thin black limbs and simple faces.

To be totally honest, most object shows stray into the territory of 'blatant BFDI ripoffs', but since the creators of BFDI actively promote copycat series no one bats an eye. That's why you can tell what an object show is. Many come off as near-indistinguishable from BFDI at first glance, but most of them have completely different characters and try to establish that they're their own series in the same genre.

Less related to the BUR above, but is there a tag for characters who have such an object body as used in those shows? Just the inanimate object itself but animated with limbs, without being anthrofied or anything? Like if you look at post #2915385, it's one of your Object Show characters, but clearly has a proper body. The same thing happens to Two in post #2863163, while the character normally does have those limbs.

gaytrac3r said:
You could argue that fanart has more varied styles than official series, but that's honestly the case with most media. Plus, fanart doesn't change that the original shows it's based on are object shows.

We don't tag what things are "based on", we tag what they are. This is the same problem plaguing video_games, where any art remotely related to a video game (e.g. a character from a tv show that's based on a video game), regardless of a video game actually being in the image, gets that tag. You lay out the criteria for "object shows":

gaytrac3r said:
Almost universally, the traits of an object show are:

• Has a cast that is mostly animate_inanimate characters
• Is noticeably inspired by Battle_for_Dream_Island or another major object show (or in the case of BFDI, it is BFDI)
• Has a specific character design style with thin black limbs and simple faces.

Yet, as Furrin Gok's examples show, fan art can exclude these traits. Especially when it comes to characters, there's absolutely nothing stopping four (bfb) from being portrayed as a full flesh and blood non-deformed well-detailed human, but even short of that, they can be given more detailed limbs and faces. So people who want to look for "object shows" fitting these criteria would get results that don't fit.

watsit said:
We don't tag what things are "based on", we tag what they are. This is the same problem plaguing video_games, where any art remotely related to a video game (e.g. a character from a tv show that's based on a video game), regardless of a video game actually being in the image, gets that tag. You lay out the criteria for "object shows":

Yet, as Furrin Gok's examples show, fan art can exclude these traits. Especially when it comes to characters, there's absolutely nothing stopping four (bfb) from being portrayed as a full flesh and blood non-deformed well-detailed human, but even short of that, they can be given more detailed limbs and faces. So people who want to look for "object shows" fitting these criteria would get results that don't fit.

I don't mind categorizing the source concept, just as long as there's also something else that can be tagged for the shape itself. Characters from other sources can be drawn in that style--What if somebody made Cloud Strife an actual cloud object?

furrin_gok said:
I don't mind categorizing the source concept, just as long as there's also something else that can be tagged for the shape itself. Characters from other sources can be drawn in that style--What if somebody made Cloud Strife an actual cloud object?

Perhaps something like objectification, except not that because that already means something else.

furrin_gok said:
I don't mind categorizing the source concept, just as long as there's also something else that can be tagged for the shape itself. Characters from other sources can be drawn in that style--What if somebody made Cloud Strife an actual cloud object?

post #1795533

clawstripe said:
post #1795533

I knew somebody had done it but I couldn't find it. I guess a cloud gets tagged in a different manner than animate_inanimate.

furrin_gok said:
I guess a cloud gets tagged in a different manner than animate_inanimate.

More likely nobody thought or bothered to add the tag in before.