So uh, after I had made this thread about the fallout of Buzzly, only to be derailed, and I'm surprised that no one had started a thread about this, so I'll make this short and quick about the elephant on the room.

1. A certain South African billionaire buys Twitter for 44 billion dollars.
2. This billionaire went berserk when an artist on Twitter calls him out for not crediting the artist.
3. Artists are conflicted by his statements on art shouldn't be credited.
4. There are suggestions for "1 account per person" when it comes to verifying human accounts and eliminating bots, though this might be a rumor and/or matter of consideration, yet also too early to tell.
5. Some are even considering on going back to Tumblr from this purchase, even though it has that dastardly porn ban.
6. Are there any good alternatives for Twitter, whether for backup or migration purposes? (I myself have Newgrounds and FA just in case)

I know that this thread is going be a flame war, and I know that Twitter is not an ideal art gallery, but for the sake of civility and simplicity, let's just talk about the art sites.
Ready? Go.

Also, PheagleAdler, kindly do not derail and kinkbash other people on this thread.

hear me out: we target the artists directly and make this site as valid of a platform as any other social media site

we already got some prominant artists treating it as such (feretta, whygena and funkybun to name a few)

we can even give them a special "artist" user status like how twitter distinguishes crypto bros!

Why even insert such a biased description of events if you only want to talk about alternative art sites? For that matter, if you admit you are starting a flame war, why even post the thread?

This is reminding me of the many times people said they were leaving FurAffinity because of whatever scandal of the day admins were involved in and nothing much happened in the end. The first mover advantage is strong, and I doubt any upcoming Twitter clone will achieve the critical mass needed to surpass it. It would take a truly cataclysmic event, like the Tumblr porn ban, to make a dent in the already existing userbase.

For what it's worth, I've never liked the way artists used Twitter to post their art to begin with. The website lacks basic gallery features that even FurAffinity had for decades. So if furry artists chose to move from Twitter to FA, that would be a big win in my book.

In hindsight, I might have been in a state of worry when I wrote it.
Especially on the "not crediting the artist" and the "1 account per person on Twitter" aspect.

And then I realize I have other websites to post my artworks.

dripen_arn said:
hear me out: we target the artists directly and make this site as valid of a platform as any other social media site

we already got some prominant artists treating it as such (feretta, whygena and funkybun to name a few)

we can even give them a special "artist" user status like how twitter distinguishes crypto bros!

that is a horrendous idea, as e621 is a booru not a gallery and anything that doesn't come in line with the archives content directive will get deleted as well as anything that doesn't match quality standards. I honestly doubt twitter will change all that much in a way that could be considered negative to artists. There is just a lot of hot takes right now because people don't like his opinions. Maybe give it a few months, if you don't like it use mastodon or some shit.

versperus said:
Maybe give it a few months

The sale isn't done yet. It has until October for the shareholders to vote on the sale then for ownership to actually change hands, and that timeframe can be delayed by up to another 6 months if the US or EU or someone wants to start a probe investing the buyout for any issues. As it is, Twitter has locked down the platform and there can't be any changes without approval from the higher ups (over a risk of employees sabotaging the site ahead of the ownership transfer).

whitev said:
The only two things that could possibly make Twitter ban NSFW content is

I'd be less concerned of a NSFW ban, than I would be the site going the way of 4chan or 8chan. "Free speech", where only straight-up illegal content is removed, meaning anyone can say and do just about anything, turning the place into more of a toxic cesspool than it already is. Whether or not that will actually happen, I can't say; despite what he may say, Elon is not a free speech absolutist, so it'll probably turn into something somewhere in between.

watsit said:
I'd be less concerned of a NSFW ban, than I would be the site going the way of 4chan or 8chan. "Free speech", where only straight-up illegal content is removed, meaning anyone can say and do just about anything, turning the place into more of a toxic cesspool than it already is. Whether or not that will actually happen, I can't say; despite what he may say, Elon is not a free speech absolutist, so it'll probably turn into something somewhere in between.

Why is this a problem when you can just not interact with those people? If they become aggressive you can block them too.

Same drama now already happens because of that, regardless of what's planned in the future. No sense in restricting what others are allowed to say on their own blogs.

aversioncapacitor' said:
Why is this a problem when you can just not interact with those people? If they become aggressive you can block them too.

You mustn't know how incessant trolls can get. For some people that may work, but the more aggressive trolls can easily get around blocks by using new or alt accounts. This is already an issue now, but I could easily see it get worse if the rules are loosened in the name of "free speech".

I don't think twitter is going to remove the block feature nor stop banning harassers, if that's what you mean.

dripen_arn said:
we already got some prominant artists treating it as such ([..]whygena[..])

Probably not the best example lol

alexyorim said:
4. He's also going to suggest for "1 account per person".

Is there a source on this? That's probably what affects me the most but I can't find anything backing it.

magnuseffect said:
Is there a source on this? That's probably what affects me the most but I can't find anything backing it.

It's more likely from this thread. On the eliminating bots and the "prove you're not a bot" tidbit. I must have been on "worry mode" that I took out the context. I should probably rewrite that.

Update: Rewrote that.

They're coming to get you! They're going to ban all your multi-accounts and censor all teh pr0nz0r5 in the name of free--

I can't even do it with a straight face, this is much ado about nothing.

I will continue to avoid Twitter like Chernobyl, but I don't think anything is going to change as far as art is concerned.

You could just upload directly to Inkbunny or Fur Affinity or such instead (also on here after)
If the Twitter account itself is the worry, is there a reason you couldn't restart and keep your new one clean-ish?

watsit said:
I'd be less concerned of a NSFW ban, than I would be the site going the way of 4chan or 8chan. "Free speech", where only straight-up illegal content is removed, meaning anyone can say and do just about anything, turning the place into more of a toxic cesspool than it already is.

Was not most of the internet like that in the 2000s? Why worry?

glyme said:
I will continue to avoid Twitter like Chernobyl, but I don't think anything is going to change as far as art is concerned.

To be fair, as somebody who remembers what Pripyat and Chernobyl looked like before the reactor "accident", the land is, or at least was, healing pretty well.

Twitter just keeps getting worse and worse, meanwhile, it's like going to California.

electricitywolf said:
Was not most of the internet like that in the 2000s?

Only while the mods were asleep

anonymless said:
For what it's worth, I've never liked the way artists used Twitter to post their art to begin with. The website lacks basic gallery features that even FurAffinity had for decades. So if furry artists chose to move from Twitter to FA, that would be a big win in my book.

My middle and ring finger (touchpad user here) are in wholesome agreement. It's very discouraging when artists only have twitter as their main 'gallery'. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've scrolled down years of content only to misclick something and go right back to the start.

If Twitter does go south, tell people to go to NewTumbl.

I don't understand why artists use Twitter as a main gallery anyway, especially furry artists who have FA/DA/FN/Weasyl/IB etc while human-only porn artists don't have nearly as many options since tumblr died. Sure, only FA and DA actually bring in traction, but there's the other options if you don't want to use them. I'm not saying don't post art on Twitter to promote yourself, but if you're active and reply to posts with dozens of memes per hour your actual art in the Media tab is lost in a stream of stupid spam and in-jokes only the owner's friends understand. Use a real gallery site.

Welp, after The Billionaire Who Must Not Be Named brought a kitchen sink to the Twitter headquarters and fired most of its staff, it makes me feel like I'm limiting my Twitter after Inktober's done, if not deactivating or deleting it.

Rational and non-violent thoughts about this?

alexyorim said:
Welp, after The Billionaire Who Must Not Be Named brought a kitchen sink to the Twitter headquarters and fired most of its staff, it makes me feel like I'm limiting my Twitter after Inktober's done, if not deactivating or deleting it.

Rational and non-violent thoughts about this?

Touch some grass. It's underrated.

lance_armstrong said:
Touch some grass. It's underrated.

Exactly on what I should be doing. I have touched grass a few times before. I might need to touch grass again. And touching the beach sand as well.

there's people on Twitter right now talking about wanting to shitpost a bunch to tank the value Twitter after Musk bought it the same way they did with Tumblr after Verizon bought that.
but like-- what? that's not what caused Tumblr to lose all of its value, the policy changes that forced a massive exodus of their entire userbase is what made that happen. are there really people out there that seriously think that a small subsection of users shitposting can devalue a website Tumblr's size, let alone fucking Twitter?
was anyone even aware that this "protest" or whatever was something that happened on Tumblr after the buyout?

I don't think it's worth panicking about until users actually get deleted over it.

I actually JOINED Twitter (and follow Musk) over this, because I feel like once the political crazies have fled in panic policies will change for the better.
Not really worth an @. I mostly just post Splatoon clips with some Japanese hashtags that go barely noticed. Its other reason for being is to hunt for e6-worthy art.

glyme said:
I actually JOINED Twitter (and follow Musk) over this, because I feel like once the political crazies have fled in panic policies will change for the better.

the guy who posted a meme about him and Kanye (who recently talked about wanting to buy Parler) joining forces

you think the crazies will leave?

strikerman said:
the guy who posted a meme about him and Kanye (who recently talked about wanting to buy Parler) joining forces

you think the crazies will leave?

Eh, memes are harmless.
I was thinking the company staff. The "fuck our world" bite-the-hand-that-feeds-them types are going to out themselves first. (I'd ban 'em from the platform too, why not?) Not to mention, openly hating your boss and corp. is a good way to get fired from anywhere.

Fat cat Feline Enthusiast Musk should also buy Bad Dragon Enterprises, Inc/Dragonfruit LLC and integrate Twitter X directly into e621's Blips page.

glyme said:
I don't think it's worth panicking about until users actually get deleted over it.

I actually JOINED Twitter (and follow Musk) over this, because I feel like once the political crazies have fled in panic policies will change for the better.
Not really worth an @. I mostly just post Splatoon clips with some Japanese hashtags that go barely noticed. Its other reason for being is to hunt for e6-worthy art.

only reason why I wanted this billionaire to buy twitter and I still dont like him

darryus said:
there's people on Twitter right now talking about wanting to shitpost a bunch to tank the value Twitter after Musk bought it the same way they did with Tumblr after Verizon bought that.
but like-- what? that's not what caused Tumblr to lose all of its value, the policy changes that forced a massive exodus of their entire userbase is what made that happen. are there really people out there that seriously think that a small subsection of users shitposting can devalue a website Tumblr's size, let alone fucking Twitter?
was anyone even aware that this "protest" or whatever was something that happened on Tumblr after the buyout?

no, it is news to me

And I agree with you, about 1% of the most eccentric twitter users cant affect a site like this.

lance_armstrong said:
Fat cat Feline Enthusiast Musk should also buy Bad Dragon Enterprises, Inc/Dragonfruit LLC and integrate Twitter X directly into e621's Blips page.

Why do you want to see the world burn?

dubsthefox said:
Why do you want to see the world burn?

That's what it takes to amuse me anymore.

dubsthefox said:
Why do you want to see the world burn?

I don't want to set the world on fiiire~

Votp's profile photo is terrifying 🤯, I was freaked out, have no idea that photography was allowed on e621

kevsnowcat said:
I don't understand why artists use Twitter as a main gallery anyway, especially furry artists who have FA/DA/FN/Weasyl/IB etc while human-only porn artists don't have nearly as many options since tumblr died. Sure, only FA and DA actually bring in traction, but there's the other options if you don't want to use them. I'm not saying don't post art on Twitter to promote yourself, but if you're active and reply to posts with dozens of memes per hour your actual art in the Media tab is lost in a stream of stupid spam and in-jokes only the owner's friends understand. Use a real gallery site.

From the perspective of both end-user and web developer, I would say FA/IB 's UI are somehow illogical and too complex compared to Twitter (or compared to a gallery-like website, pixiv). DA has tons of images that just user adds a filter layer on / crop other artists' works and claims that's their work, and report never works.

No serious artist should use da, there is a harassment problem over there and years ago I was driven off the site by toxic sonic fans, antifurries and obsessive fundies . If you think about it, Im sure raxelmaestro, benj24 and every other fetish artists have goten hateful messages from people like this just for making art they enjoyed, either they hurt somebody for making fetish art out of someones childhood heroes or they got the attention of some anti-furry person with too much free time.

This shows that the site is barely moderated. stolen art is just one of many problems you can find on this website

My personal recommendation to both furry artist and human artist will always be furaffinity and I have gotten used to the ui after all the years, it shouldnt b a problem for anybody else. twitter is a social media, not a art gallery and itll never replace places like furaffinity, I only browse the site for news

Going for a new topic. We haven't talked about the Twitter alternatives.

Given that Twitter is not a good place to set up a gallery, and yet there are still talks of Twitter alternatives.
Seems I have heard of some people I know of setting up accounts on websites like Itaku and Cohost.
Mastodon I have heard earlier during the Tumblr exodus.

How are they and what are their vibes there?

alexyorim said:
Mastodon I have heard earlier during the Tumblr exodus.

As far as I know, the search function is awful, and no gallery support. misskey might be better as a decentralized platform.

lekkiyo said:
You can get away with doxing children on twitter and ruining their lives without even getting a slap on the wrist, whereas on 4chan it's actually not easy to do that these days.

Twitter seemed to basically openly support doing a lot worse things to children in general than just that. Never heard the resolution to the one where the site basically refused to listen to the FBI, come to think of it.

votp said:
Twitter seemed to basically openly support doing a lot worse things to children in general than just that. Never heard the resolution to the one where the site basically refused to listen to the FBI, come to think of it.

August 2021:

https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-sued-for-failing-to-take-down-child-porn-videos/

January 2022:

https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/twitter-lawsuit-moves-forward-ninth-circuit/

If there is anything newer than that, I don't see it.

In this tab: people saying how Musk is going to be good for Twitter

In my other tab: Musk publicly begging and bargaining with verified accounts not to leave the site over his plan to tie verified status to a subscription and then jacking up the price of that subscription by no fewer than 10x.

Me: Sipping my drink and making no comment.

votp said:
Twitter seemed to basically openly support doing a lot worse things to children in general than just that. Never heard the resolution to the one where the site basically refused to listen to the FBI, come to think of it.

Meanwhile: https://nypost.com/2022/10/31/feds-keep-facebook-censorship-portal-despite-dhs-disinfo-board-demise/
Well, that's first result for that story. The legal implications are actually kind of interesting.

Me: Sipping some cold seltzer and typing this up.

On the subject of Twitter alternatives, Tumblr is bringing back, nudity and sexual themes, but not full-on pr0n.
Seems Tumblr is taking advantage of this situation.

alexyorim said:
On the subject of Twitter alternatives, Tumblr is bringing back, nudity and sexual themes, but not full-on pr0n.
Seems Tumblr is taking advantage of this situation.

They started making those moves a couple months ago, probably in anticipation of Muskrat turning Twitter into a dumpster fire.

You know, because they have basic pattern recognition.

alexyorim said:
On the subject of Twitter alternatives, Tumblr is bringing back, nudity and sexual themes, but not full-on pr0n.
Seems Tumblr is taking advantage of this situation.

Just try to post yiff content on my old account and get 'It looks like your post might be in violation of our Community Guidelines and is now hidden.' immediately, lol.

watchdog22 said:
Just try to post yiff content on my old account and get 'It looks like your post might be in violation of our Community Guidelines and is now hidden.' immediately, lol.

I'm starting to regret on deleting my old account, given that it would have been an archive to my old art and likes, particularly from 2016 to 2018.
And now my old handle has been overtaken by an inactive spambot.
But I guess time to restart from scratch once full erotic content is brought back again.

watchdog22 said:
Just try to post yiff content on my old account and get 'It looks like your post might be in violation of our Community Guidelines and is now hidden.' immediately, lol.

Why do people act like they unbanned porn when all they walked back on is female-presenting nipples?

magnuseffect said:
Why do people act like they unbanned porn when all they walked back on is female-presenting nipples?

They got too excited, I presume.

The future of art on Pixiv, Pixiv Alternatives, and why payment processors should face immediate antitrust breakup

lance_armstrong said:
The future of art on Pixiv, Pixiv Alternatives, and why payment processors should face immediate antitrust breakup

But sir, it was the Justice Department pushing them into it... Yeah, getting ready to read that notice on Pixiv.

https://www.pixiv.net/info.php?id=8788

Well the downfall of twitter is speeding up.

Add this extension and get archiving while you still can ;)

drachenfyr said:
Well the downfall of twitter is speeding up.

Add this extension and get archiving while you still can ;)

I find gallery-dl to be much more useful, though you need to be familiar with using the command line.

drachenfyr said:
Well the downfall of twitter is speeding up.

And seems "FurAffinity" is trending. And there are some people complaining about its outdated features and spaghetti codes, and controversies, yet go there anyway.

drachenfyr said:
Add this extension and get archiving while you still can ;)

Does this have a Firefox equivalent?

Let me throw in another artist for you
This one. (They're Japanese but talk mostly through emojis, and their pixiv is dead, not to mention pics from there would be censored)

I'd been uploading their stuff slowly but there's over 700 pics from the last 4 years.

Why the did i eventhink a new thred would get made.

benjiboyo said:
Why the did i eventhink a new thred would get made.

I mean, one of the original intentions for this thread is for alternatives to Twitter;
Pixiv is going the drain as well, so I have heard;
Mastodon (originally part of the Tumblr alternatives), Cohost, and Itaku, are gaining traction.
Gallery sites like FurAffinity, Newgrounds, and Inkblot are gaining tractions as well.
I don't know if itch.io counts when it comes to games and art.

So can we discuss about the alternatives now?

alexyorim said:
So can we discuss about the alternatives now?

I've been seeing a number of artists returning to FA recently. FA has also announced that 'very soon' they're going to update the site so uploads will no longer be shrunk to 1280 pixels, so it will be a source for good quality uploads (without the uploader having to do the edit trick for full size images).

Here's a thread about archiving content from Twitter: https://e621.net/forum_topics/35875

watsit said:
I've been seeing a number of artists returning to FA recently. FA has also announced that 'very soon' they're going to update the site so uploads will no longer be shrunk to 1280 pixels, so it will be a source for good quality uploads (without the uploader having to do the edit trick for full size images).

Yeah, there are some who won't go there due to its lack of other features, and its history. Which, some are valid, but still.

watsit said:
I've been seeing a number of artists returning to FA recently. FA has also announced that 'very soon' they're going to update the site so uploads will no longer be shrunk to 1280 pixels, so it will be a source for good quality uploads (without the uploader having to do the edit trick for full size images).

"Please purchase FA premium to have unrestricted image size!"

BTW, if using Nitter instances to mirror Twitter content via 'url upgrade' method, you'd best be using one that allows for 1280-sized images of NSFW content. nitter.net doesn't do this. Some others do. Or better yet, just run your own. XD

What the difference between Itaku, Cohost, and Mastodon?

I'm hesitant to go to those places unless someone told me about them, and has tested the waters.
Someone said that Mastodon is like email, but I need another figurative figure of speech to know how it works.
Itaku sounds promising since it is a blend of a social media site and a gallery site.
Not sure what Cohost is. Does it have the same feature and rules as Itaku?

kora_viridian said:

> FA
> 'very soon'

Ⓧ Doubt

They're already working on it. I don't know when, but it's happening.
We're already on the Twitter alternatives topic already. Can we discuss that now, please?

alexyorim said:
What the difference between Itaku, Cohost, and Mastodon?

I'm hesitant to go to those places unless someone told me about them, and has tested the waters.
Someone said that Mastodon is like email, but I need another figurative figure of speech to know how it works.
Itaku sounds promising since it is a blend of a social media site and a gallery site.
Not sure what Cohost is. Does it have the same feature and rules as Itaku?

I've never heard of Cohost until now. Seems to be a Twitter clone.
They are promising "no ads and no tracking" on their website, and their business model seems to be donation-based at the moment.
I'm not convinced that it'll last, but I guess we'll see.

I have heard of Itaku, mainly because it was heavily pushed on Twitter, mentioning that it uses a tagging system like e621.
As a e621 uploader, I love that they have an option to show the uncompressed original version of the image.
The tags seem to be primarily up to the uploader, with the ability for others to suggest changes. In other words, they murdered any semblance of TWYS from the very start.
We'll see if the tagging system is going end up a burning garbage dump like FA's.
Their business model also seems to be donation-based at the moment, which does not inspire confidence.

Mastodon is not like email. I get the analogy they are trying to make, but they overcomplicated it.
Mastodon is like Twitter, but decentralized. Anyone with some technical knowledge can set up a server of their own – for example, pawoo is pixiv's version.
All servers are operating on the same network, so you can chose the server where you want to post, and still follow any account on any other server.
Unlike the other two, they have some corporate sponsors, although they also take donations.
Mind you, the decentralized nature of Mastodon transfers the majority of the server costs to groups running them, so the company's operating costs are likely going to be lower.

Mastodon still seems complicated for me, thinking that I need to have lots of accounts to go to many servers, unlike Discord.
Seems I'm leaning towards Itaku for its art focus. How does it go with commissions?

alexyorim said:
Mastodon still seems complicated for me, thinking that I need to have lots of accounts to go to many servers, unlike Discord.

I thought the whole point of Mastodon is that it lets you make an account on one server, and that lets you interact with every other server? Servers can block entire other servers, but on the flip side it's possible to create a server yourself and follow from there.

By the way, are the powers that be planning on adding Itaku and the other Twitter alternatives to the Domain Whitelist? I feel like they should.

If artists are leaving Twitter I'm all for it. community aside it has a terrible format for using as a gallery. It's search is not as bad as tumblr's but is till pretty bad. Idk what is about the scrolling format artists.