What happened to that guy who made servants of the serpent and bare back streets? I know the comic was on here, but now there's nothing on here. Like anything from him at all.

https://e621.net/takedowns/6405

Had the same question a while back ago, Dood ╹‿╹)

Summed up:
Herd the guy Really didn't like the criticism he received from servants of the serpent
and like Kemonophonic posted, Took down that comic and every other he made.
Forbidding the posting of it ever again on this site, Dood

Edit:

The best option to see it now is to go third party, Dood

notkastar said:
Had the same question a while back ago, Dood ╹‿╹)

Summed up:
Herd the guy Really didn't like the criticism he received and
like Kemonophonic posted, Took down that comic and every other
he made. Forbidding the posting of it ever again on this site, Dood

He was temporarily banned for his lashing out against other users.
In revenge, he took down all of his content from the site.

bitwolfy said:
He was temporarily banned for his lashing out against other users.
In revenge, he took down all of his content from the site.

Oh my gosh!
No disrespect to the peep, I'm sure he's just lovely now,
but never would have thought the breakup could be more
messy than I've already heard, Dood!

Hope the peep's in a better headspace and still has an
account after that, Dood ╹ ╹)

notkastar said:
Oh my gosh!
No disrespect to the peep, I'm sure he's just lovely now,
but never would have thought the breakup could be more
messy than I've already heard, Dood!

Hope the peep's in a better headspace and still has an
account after that, Dood ╹ ╹)

Wait he had a breakup? I just thought it was the drama of him making someone homeless finally catching up to him.

viewingthangs said:
Wait he had a breakup? I just thought it was the drama of him making someone homeless finally catching up to him.

Quite the opposite actually, He announced a good
second ago that he's actually having a baby, Dood.
╹‿╹)

But, Relationship biz aside,
He made somebody Homeless, Dood?
╹ ╹)~?!

notkastar said:
Quite the opposite actually, He announced a good
second ago that he's actually having a baby, Dood.
╹‿╹)

But, Relationship biz aside,
He made somebody Homeless, Dood?
╹ ╹)~?!

Yeah he and his gf framed an innocent dude-WAIT my bad I got it reversed. He tried to get someone cancelled because they asked him when they were gonna pay rent.

viewingthangs said:
Yeah he and his gf framed an innocent dude-WAIT my bad I got it reversed. He tried to get someone cancelled because they asked him when they were gonna pay rent.

Geez leweez, The more I find out. = =)~!

No wonder I heard so many peeps mention 'em.
Just though the guy was just so popular from the biz he makes
other's just couldn't keep talking about 'em, ya know, Dood?

I gotta look more into this, This sounds like a wild rollercoaster
of shenanigans that I'm just on the ferris wheel of that's not even
at the highest point, Dood.

Not to say he isn't a lovely person now, Peeps are always changing,
& Anyone can mellow out as they move on, Ya know, Dood
╹‿╹)

But this is just Really Really interesting, ya know, Dood?

notkastar said:
Geez leweez, The more I find out. = =)~!

No wonder I heard so many peeps mention 'em.
Just though the guy was just so popular from the biz he makes
other's just couldn't keep talking about 'em, ya know, Dood?

I gotta look more into this, This sounds like a wild rollercoaster
of shenanigans that I'm just on the ferris wheel of that's not even
at the highest point, Dood.

Not to say he isn't a lovely person now, Peeps are always changing,
& Anyone can mellow out as they move on, Ya know, Dood
╹‿╹)

But this is just Really Really interesting, ya know, Dood?

"he makes" soggy cardboard-cutouts from someone else's art jiggle at each other

ratte said:
"he makes" soggy cardboard-cutouts from someone else's art jiggle at each other

Hold on a sec, Dood
He doesn't make his own art?

Mama Mia,
I always thought the peep did.
Did some looking into and No,
he isn't the artist behind "servants of the serpent"
Kabier is, He's was the writer.

In fact, the animations I thought he did
are just rigs of stills kabier did too, Dood.

What does this guy do?
How did he come into fame in the furry community, Dood?

notkastar said:
Hold on a sec, Dood
He doesn't make his own art?

Mama Mia,
I always thought the peep did.
Did some looking into and No,
he isn't the artist behind "servants of the serpent"
Kabier is, He's was the writer.

In fact, the animations I thought he did
are just rigs of stills kabier did too, Dood.

What does this guy do?
How did he come into fame in the furry community, Dood?

If you really want to know the full history of his infamy, read this (Do note that it is an opinion article and it’s over 3 years old, so expect bias and stuff that needs to be updated. I’m sure there are better articles about his history, but overall, it gives a good summary of his career at that point.)

TL;DR He pretty much piggybacked off of other popular artists’ talent by tweening their stuff without their permission, then ascended into infamy after his ego took over and profited from that.

waba said:
If you really want to know the full history of his infamy, read this (Do note that it is an opinion article and it’s over 3 years old, so expect bias and stuff that needs to be updated. I’m sure there are better articles about his history, but overall, it gives a good summary of his career at that point.)

TL;DR He pretty much piggybacked off of other popular artists’ talent by tweening their stuff without their permission, then ascended into infamy after his ego took over and profited from that.

Oh Dear.

How...How does he still have a reputation after all this?
From this article, the raffle, The outburst over criticism,
and Money taking; After all of that, Just checked, he's
making $6,688 a month from Patreon alone, Dood.

This is honestly throwing me through a loop, In a way
it's kinda inspiring how he could bounce back from this
but...How? How do you fall upwards, Dood?

notkastar said:
Oh Dear.

How...How does he still have a reputation after all this?
From this article, the raffle, The outburst over criticism,
and Money taking; After all of that, Just checked, he's
making $6,688 a month from Patreon alone, Dood.

This is honestly throwing me through a loop, In a way
it's kinda inspiring how he could bounce back from this
but...How? How do you fall upwards, Dood?

porn

notkastar said:
Oh Dear.

How...How does he still have a reputation after all this?
From this article, the raffle, The outburst over criticism,
and Money taking; After all of that, Just checked, he's
making $6,688 a month from Patreon alone, Dood.

This is honestly throwing me through a loop, In a way
it's kinda inspiring how he could bounce back from this
but...How? How do you fall upwards, Dood?

There is a class of people who think that being despicable is a virtue, and will identify with and rush to support the slimiest scum imaginable if said scum happen to gain a high enough profile.

lonelylupine said:
There is a class of people who think that being despicable is a virtue, and will identify with and rush to support the slimiest scum imaginable if said scum happen to gain a high enough profile.

Dios mío,

It's frustrating that this is plausible.
Every shout in his FA is so defensive,
like their actively fighting a battle on
his behalf, starting fights with other,
keeping the flames of controversy
going with their defensiveness,
even though the peep's the one who
started the battle to begin with, Dood

ratte said:
porn

But wouldn't peeps have more self-respect
to support someone they don't agree with
on a fundamental level,
Just because they have porn, Dood?

Check out post #1543024 for the pettiest deletion I've ever seen on this site.

TL;DR He pretty much piggybacked off of other popular artists’ talent

notkastar said:

Did some looking into and No,
he isn't the artist behind "servants of the serpent"
[..] He's was the writer.

but...How? How do you fall upwards, Dood?

ratte said:
porn

See there's a distinct trend in comic comment sections here where people will complain about the bad writing in a comic, and a guaranteed response will be other users telling them to shut up and enjoy the porn.
To many consumers the quality of the writing doesn't matter, and so you need little proficiency to turn out a successful project.^{Successful in that I'm sure they made decent Patreon funding from the people who weren't complaining, he just couldn't take the criticism.}
It's kind of a sister-issue to how animation^{and animation with sound} elevates average viewer opinion in a way that's disproportionate to the mechanical quality of either the animation or the artwork, which is how he got big in the first place.

notkastar said:
But wouldn't peeps how more self-respect
to not support someone they don't agree with
on a fundamental level,
Just because they have porn, Dood?

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/1842293

notkastar said:
How...How does he still have a reputation after all this?
From this article, the raffle, The outburst over criticism,
and Money taking; After all of that, Just checked, he's
making $6,688 a month from Patreon alone, Dood.

This is honestly throwing me through a loop, In a way
it's kinda inspiring how he could bounce back from this
but...How? How do you fall upwards, Dood?

Note that I am not a psychologist nor in any behavioral science. I'm just another schnook who stumbled across literature that explained to me the following or at least how I currently interpret the following.

From the description of his behavior, he appears to be a psychopath. Psychopaths can't empathize with others, so they can't perceive the rest of us as people like them. Often, to them, we're livestock to be milked and/or slaughtered as convenient for their own survival. The vast majority aren't chainsaw-wielding maniacs frothing at the mouth. In fact, they blend in rather well and often appear to be pretty decent and well-adjusted people, at least until things start going sour for them and they start feeling out of control of a situation. Psychopaths camouflage themselves as part of their goal of personal survival, which includes advancing themselves socially and monetarily even at the cost of others (because we aren't people, remember, just obstacles to be removed or livestock to be exploited). Many are smart and can get very good at manipulating others.

lonelylupine said:
There is a class of people who think that being despicable is a virtue, and will identify with and rush to support the slimiest scum imaginable if said scum happen to gain a high enough profile.

Of course, the other side of the equation are the suckers tossing money his way, and LonelyLupine is correct. As we can see with Trump and the MAGA movement or with a cult leader and his followers, there are people who admire psychopaths, mistaking them for strong and capable people able to get things done. Some might even seek to emulate them (generally poorly, though, as the emulators can still empathize with other people and so will hesitate or refuse to do things that a psychopath wouldn't think twice about). Others will want to support what they mistakenly see as the winning side or a role model they admire. And still many, many more are genuinely fooled. Psychopaths are actually rather good at what they do, even when they've been found out.

magnuseffect said:
See there's a distinct trend in comic comment sections here where people will complain about the bad writing in a comic, and a guaranteed response will be other users telling them to shut up and enjoy the porn.
To many consumers the quality of the writing doesn't matter, and so you need little proficiency to turn out a successful project.^{Successful in that I'm sure they made decent Patreon funding from the people who weren't complaining, he just couldn't take the criticism.}
It's kind of a sister-issue to how animation^{and animation with sound} elevates average viewer opinion in a way that's disproportionate to the mechanical quality of either the animation or the artwork, which is how he got big in the first place.

Cor blimey... He cheated.

Just like Waba so perfectly put, He Piggyback off of other artists by tweeting their work.
Absolutely stealing their thunder, and like you said excellently, profiting off it by taking
advantage of the disparity in attention a piece and an animated piece would get.
Using that to rocket himself into popularity. And more severe cases, Confusing peep
who only glanced at the time (like me) into thinking everything was up to code and
hand made by the guy, Dood.

I don't know why but I feel used,
Even though it was all on me for
not taking a closer look, Dood.

Again, He's probs more tolerable nowadays,
but man, Just sucks that justice never really
caught up with the guy, Dood.

ratte said:
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/1842293

Well Darn,

Is good art and a recognizable face all it really takes
for peeps to forget the peep behind it all?
No matter what they do, as long as they keep the lewds
coming we won't hold them accountable, Dood?

clawstripe said:
Note that I am not a psychologist nor in any behavioral science. I'm just another schnook who stumbled across literature that explained to me the following or at least how I currently interpret the following.

From the description of his behavior, he appears to be a psychopath. Psychopaths can't empathize with others, so they can't perceive the rest of us as people like them. Often, to them, we're livestock to be milked and/or slaughtered as convenient for their own survival. The vast majority aren't chainsaw-wielding maniacs frothing at the mouth. In fact, they blend in rather well and often appear to be pretty decent and well-adjusted people, at least until things start going sour for them and they start feeling out of control of a situation. Psychopaths camouflage themselves as part of their goal of personal survival, which includes advancing themselves socially and monetarily even at the cost of others (because we aren't people, remember, just obstacles to be removed or livestock to be exploited). Many are smart and can get very good at manipulating others.

Of course, the other side of the equation are the suckers tossing money his way, and LonelyLupine is correct. As we can see with Trump and the MAGA movement or with a cult leader and his followers, there are people who admire psychopaths, mistaking them for strong and capable people able to get things done. Some might even seek to emulate them (generally poorly, though, as the emulators can still empathize with other people and so will hesitate or refuse to do things that a psychopath wouldn't think twice about). Others will want to support what they mistakenly see as the winning side or a role model they admire. And still many, many more are genuinely fooled. Psychopaths are actually rather good at what they do, even when they've been found out.

I very much appreciate the your synopsis of the guy and Honestly I could see this being true,
How many times has he burn the community at large just to bounce back like nothing happened?
In fact getting some peep defending him like a poor wounded baby bird, Dood.

notkastar said:
Well Darn,

Is good art and a recognizable face all it really takes
for peeps to forget the peep behind it all?
No matter what they do, as long as they keep the lewds
coming we won't hold them accountable, Dood?

But he's not gone because of any general sociopolitical stances, he's gone because he couldn't handle people telling him his contributions weren't good art. Jason isn't even banned here, and his content would still be up if he and Kabier hadn't chosen to withdraw it themselves.
The other problem with this line of questioning is what it takes is broadly acceptable art. The threshold for generally agreed to be good enough for consumption tends to be fairly low, and people will keep coming back to an outlet they know won't outright disappoint them. And so when such an outlet is removed, this is an unwelcome change. ^{Yeah this is mostly a semantic complaint about the definition of "good" which I find to have too much person-to-person subjectivity to be useful in this kind of discussion}

I also think we should be careful bringing too much personal character discussion into this. I'll talk about why I think he's a bad artist all day but calling him a bad person and a psychopath is asking for a thread lock.

magnuseffect said:
But he's not gone because of any general sociopolitical stances, he's gone because he couldn't handle people telling him his contributions weren't good art. Jason isn't even banned here, and his content would still be up if he and Kabier hadn't chosen to withdraw it themselves.
The other problem with this line of questioning is what it takes is broadly acceptable art. The threshold for generally agreed to be good enough for consumption tends to be fairly low, and people will keep coming back to an outlet they know won't outright disappoint them. And so when such an outlet is removed, this is an unwelcome change. ^{Yeah this is mostly a semantic complaint about the definition of "good" which I find to have too much person-to-person subjectivity to be useful in this kind of discussion}

I also think we should be careful bringing too much personal character discussion into this. I'll talk about why I think he's a bad artist all day but calling him a bad person and a psychopath is asking for a thread lock.

Again great points! *Deep Breath*
Got a bit carried away with the revelations;
that the guy was all types of spice way back when.
You're right, None of what we discuss should start
going into personal digs at his character, Dood.

He's probably a lovely person now, having
all that stuff from his past to learn from,
ya know, Dood?

Though I gotta say this thread would make for
a pretty great epitaph, For future peeps who
want to know what happened to the guys work
here, Dood. ╹‿╹)

As for your point, You got me there, What I meant
to say "Does it only take widely accepted art and a
recognizable face for a person to forgive all of a peep's
misdoing, I mean is it really that easy. Can a person
just treat anyone anyway if they even have a scrap
of fame, Dood?

magnuseffect said:
I also think we should be careful bringing too much personal character discussion into this. I'll talk about why I think he's a bad artist all day but calling him a bad person and a psychopath is asking for a thread lock.

A good point. I meant it in a cold-blooded, clinical way, but you're right. My words could easily be taken as an attack on his character, which I didn't intend to do. My apologies to all, including the subject of this thread. (My, this foot is soooo tasty! You'd think I'd be used to it by now!)

clawstripe said:
(My, this foot is soooo tasty! You'd think I'd be used to it by now!)

wut?

cutefox123 said:
wut?

Foot-in-Mouth disease. My foot. My mouth. Nom nom nom.

magnuseffect said:
Jason isn't even banned here, and his content would still be up if he and Kabier hadn't chosen to withdraw it themselves.

Ehhh not quite.
They chose to be added to the DNP list, but their request to be removed from it a year later was denied.
Mainly because having literally all of their posts' comment sections spontaneously burst into flame wars was too much of a headache, with Jason's toxic behavior only adding fuel to the fire.

bitwolfy said:
their request to be removed from it a year later

Oh huh, that's news to me.

notkastar said:
Again great points! *Deep Breath*
Got a bit carried away with the revelations;
that the guy was all types of spice way back when.
You're right, None of what we discuss should start
going into personal digs at his character, Dood.

He's probably a lovely person now, having
all that stuff from his past to learn from,
ya know, Dood?

Though I gotta say this thread would make for
a pretty great epitaph, For future peeps who
want to know what happened to the guys work
here, Dood. ╹‿╹)

As for your point, You got me there, What I meant
to say "Does it only take widely accepted art and a
recognizable face for a person to forgive all of a peep's
misdoing, I mean is it really that easy. Can a person
just treat anyone anyway if they even have a scrap
of fame, Dood?

It's like when you give a dog a treat, it suddenly decides you have to be a friend. You just gave it a thing it liked, so it is impossible that you can be a bad person.

Goes to show that despite all our supposedly highly-developed intelligence, we're still basically just dumb animals.

lonelylupine said:
It's like when you give a dog a treat, it suddenly decides you have to be a friend. You just gave it a thing it liked, so it is impossible that you can be a bad person.

Goes to show that despite all our supposedly highly-developed intelligence, we're still basically just dumb animals.

Well Darn x2

You make a very solid point, Given a treat,
Peeps are more likely to defend you, No matter what you
do, Make something I like then all is forgiven, Right?

However...I Disagree!

I disagree and reject the idea that we'll all fall for this pitfall of nature.
I know that there are peeps out there who are able to overcome this
herbal of peep psychology. This belief that just because a person makes
things you like, It Automatically means that person is a peep you'd want
in your life, Dood.

No, These peeps are a Just lot that could see through
the genjutsu our own minds put us under. See that the
Product and person are two completely different biz's
and if that person does something they don't agree with
on a core level, They'd withdraw support. Instead of making
excuses and justifications that stretch more than Mr.Elastigirl
on why they weren't in the wrong so they can enjoy their work
guilt-free. Going as far as attacking others, just to prop up their
glasshouses, Dood.

Just wish truly kind peeps like that
were more common, ya know, Dood?
╹‿╹)

notkastar said:
I disagree and reject the idea that we'll all fall for this pitfall of nature.
I know that there are peeps out there who are able to overcome this
herbal of peep psychology. This belief that just because a person makes
things you like, It Automatically means that person is a peep you'd want
in your life, Dood.

You're correct that there are people who have made strides in becoming self-aware enough to overcoming these tendencies. You could say that by recognizing that we are still "dumb animals" deep under it all, we can accept it as part of who we are and unlock more of our higher intelligence. Being a "dumb animal" isn't a bad thing; it helps us survive in dire situations. But just as there's a "dumb animal" under the veneer of higher intelligence, there's also a higher intelligence built on that foundation of "dumb animal".

Some humans have done some of the self-contemplation needed to overcome some of their baser tendencies, but many haven't. Not because they're stupid, amoral, or whatever, but because they have other things they want to worry about and don't see a need to make this self-contemplation. Honestly, if you see no need to contemplate your navel, you're not going to, especially if you're in a mood to contemplate your genitals instead. And someone who helps you contemplate your genitals is someone you're likely to find valuable if you haven't discovered the benefits of navel-gazing or some other emotionally fulfilling thing yet.

I miss when boorus acted as archives against this kind of outcome, holding the value of art above the whims of any single person, even the art's own creator.

arrow189 said:
I miss when boorus acted as archives against this kind of outcome, holding the value of art above the whims of any single person, even the art's own creator.

That's when DMCA takedown requests starts to get filed... and more issues starts to arise...

What an incredibly interesting thread. Really worth very much to be here in e6 reading these great topics.

cutefox123 said:
That's when DMCA takedown requests starts to get filed... and more issues starts to arise...

Yeah, can't just ignore those...

Holy hell. I look away and the thread turned into this. And with all the stuff I learned, like, jeez.

Is the guy still around? Has he gotten nicer at all?

viewingthangs said:
Holy hell. I look away and the thread turned into this. And with all the stuff I learned, like, jeez.

Is the guy still around? Has he gotten nicer at all?

People who act like he does seldom ever get better. They lack the character for self-examination and improvement.

Moreover, apparently he's making $6,000/mo doing what he does, so he doesn't really have the motivation either.

Why do you even care? There are many artists who are better than he is at what he does but don't have a fraction of the audience. Go support them instead.

viewingthangs said:
Holy hell. I look away and the thread turned into this. And with all the stuff I learned, like, jeez.

Is the guy still around? Has he gotten nicer at all?

He has a Youtube channel, but has not uploaded anything in like a year. Reviewing his videos, really by himself is not much of interest to me... his esthetics and language expression trend to be rude and vulgar.

However... he was connected with other people that was much more interesting, more talented, and that maybe I will try to check again later. It was a subset of furry of recent years - I don't know if it has peaked and dwindled by now - with other mentality and ways of thinking that interest me.

Just a few of the most significant examples:

1
2
3
4
5
6

Notkastar, I think you're giving this guy way too much credit, dood. This is the type of person who doesn't want to change. They want everyone else to change to accommodate them. Especially since they've got defenders aplenty still spoon-feeding their ego.

lendrimujina said:
Notkastar, I think you're giving this guy way too much credit, dood. This is the type of person who doesn't want to change. They want everyone else to change to accommodate them. Especially since they've got defenders aplenty still spoon-feeding their ego.

I really wanna Believe...
I have to believe that any peep, no matter how spicy,
has the potential to change for the better, Dood
╹‿╹)

Using each time they've messed up as learning
opportunities to become that much better of a peep.
He may have a colony of peeps dedicated to enabling
him, But I feel with the proper Trigger He could really
come around harder than the Grinch, Dood!
◠‿◠)

Realizing that lashing out at others diminishes us all
and that practicing compassion is real way to go,
ya know, Dood!
◠‿╹)~★

Soft reminder that these are the most recent comments made by Jason. And apparently that's the only reason why he's still DNP.

Honestly? Everything he's said is respectful and within truth. Same exact reason I have someone else blacklisted is because they ended up being a dick to the users that made them popular in the first place, and while they're still a discussion point I never have to see their posts here again.

The mod team already nicks pretty much every other case of artist harassment, people not using their blacklist, and so on. So, Jason being an exception because he's unpopular is pretty striking to me.

edit:

Jasonafex said:
Seeing the reports working as intended (Thats why a bunch of users got suspensions and bans around that time) we decided to leave e621 to it's own devices and see what happens. A year later, shitposting has seemed to have taken over, any neutral or positive comments get downvoted and moderation seems to have flatlined. After talking directly with admins, they are fatigued with dealing with the issue and have basically given up.

aye, fair enough.

aversioncapacitor' said:
Honestly? Everything he's said is respectful and within truth.

The truth that the primary reason people complaining about him aren't financially supporting him is that they're minors? ^{and not, y'know, not supporting him because they don't like his artistic contribution}
All the objective truth I'm seeing are the statements that anyone not funding him is not his target audience, and that e621 comment sections are terrible at explaining why things are bad.

(I continue to browse the videos.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr__mvyOX38 )

mexicanfurry said:
(I continue to browse the videos.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr__mvyOX38 )

Are you just going to repost his entire YouTube channel in a thread explaining why the e621 staff doesn't want anything to do with him anymore?

lonelylupine said:
Are you just going to repost his entire YouTube channel in a thread explaining why the e621 staff doesn't want anything to do with him anymore?

No, I think that was their final video of the series.

=).

No, I will not, fellow Member of e621.

PS.

Still, if you even saw one of them I would even will be willing to discuss their richness, if you request it. And If only one person did find something interesting in them,... I think that a few links occupy just few bytes in the hard disk of the server, don't you agree?

;-).

Alright, I think we are all caught up on what happened to Jasonafex.
Let's move on.