Topic: [APPROVED] Extremely Controversial BUR 2: Electric Boogaloo (Unalias labia_minora)

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #2446 is active.

remove alias labia_minora (279) -> pussy (896144)

Reason: The labia minora are a prominent part of the female reproductive organ, and yet (on a heavily pornographic website) we have no reliable way of finding it. The tag itself is aliased to pussy for some unfathomable reason, as if they were the same thing (they’re not), so we can’t simply search for the part itself as we would for anything else. You could try searching pussy -cleft_of_venus, but cleft_of_venus is tagged so rarely (and may not always be applicable even when the labia minora are not visible, such as in animal_pussy cases) that the results are very poor. After all, it’s easier to remember to tag something that’s there rather than something that isn’t there.

Long_labia faces the same issue of being severely undertagged - but even still, it’s usually not applicable in spreading or gaping cases, so it’s still not a useful substitute.

Furthermore, sometimes artists may simply not draw this part, even when it would be visible. It’s common enough to note, and cleft_of_venus can’t account for those as they might be gaping. Then there’s the fact that some animal species don’t even have labia minora, so you can’t say it’s synonymous with pussy.

By comparison, we can still tag all the individual parts of the male reproductive organ. Penis, balls, glans, foreskin, and frenulum are all separate tags. Even frenulum? Really? We can tag the often nearly imperceptible band of skin beneath the glans, but not one of the most prominent features of female genitalia?

I believe it is time to rectify this. Once this is approved, we can have the tag imply pussy instead, and we can also discuss re-establishing subtags such as the various (color)_labia tags that have also been aliased away.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2446 (forum #333993) has been approved by @slyroon.

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I was thinking about creating this alias some while ago, but just forgot about it again.

scaliespe said:
...and we can also discuss re-establishing subtags such as the various (color)_labia tags that have also been aliased away.

I think this would be reasonable to do. But we should establish color_labia_minora/majora, in my opinion.

dubsthefox said:
I was thinking about creating this alias some while ago, but just forgot about it again.

I think this would be reasonable to do. But we should establish color_labia_minora/majora, in my opinion.

Perhaps. The usage of the current “labia” tags are inconsistent. puffy_labia refers to labia majora, while long_labia refers to labia minora. As it stands, this could be confusing.

I’m not entirely sure about recovering the labia_majora tag, or tagging labia majora colors. Most of the visible pussy is labia majora, and I’m not sure that there will be any meaningful difference between white_labia_majora and white_pussy. In that case, perhaps using just white_labia for labia minora and tagging white_pussy for labia majora.

For comparison, white_glans implies glans, but not white_penis, implying that white_penis just refers to the color of the shaft.

I’m still not entirely sure, though. Would it be useful to recover the labia_majora tag? I feel like you’ll rarely ever see a vulva without the labia majora also being visible, so I’m not sure two separate tags would be helpful. It would be analogous to creating a penile shaft (or whatever) tag for when the shaft specifically is visible - and even that seems slightly more viable.

You've got my vote.

Labia Minora can be prominent, or it might not even be depicted in an image, tagging them is obviously adding a meaningful distinction from the labia in general.

However, I don't think there's a reason to have a labia majora tag, the labia majora will practically always be visible if the labia minora are.

It's really bizarre that there's so much granularity allowed for parts of the male genitalia (what purpose does frenulum serve by being a tag?) but when it comes to parts of the female genitalia, it's inconsistent and vague, and there's a number of aliases of distinct parts that reduces everything to "pussy", if someone knows well enough to tag labia_minora they're clearly not attempting to mistag the "pussy"

On a related note, pussy is a terrible tag name on so many levels that I don't understand why it's become the "official" tag for the labia vulva:

big list of why pussy is a bad tag, read at your own risk
  • It's vulgar and silly, using "pussy" instead of "vulva" is really out of step with how this site names most other similar tags (penis, anus, breasts, areola, vaginal_penetration etc.) - we don't use "cock" "asshole" "tits" or "fucking", why is "pussy" an exception?
    • (Someone will bring this up so - balls is informal, but not vulgar or used as an insult, and there isn't an existing term, as far as I know, for both scrotum and testicles together)
  • It's vague, does black_pussymean the labia majora is black? Is it the labia minora that's black? Going by the images tagged "black pussy" the answer is a shrug, and oddly frequent mistagging of clearly not black genitalia
  • Building off that vagueness, it's so unevenly applied and confusingly misused for other tags - "pussy sounding" is... just objectively wrong... the vulva, if that's what "pussy" is intended to cover, isn't what's being being sounded, it's the urethra - frankly I don't know why the tag exists at all, all sounding is urethral sounding, it's inherent to the concept
  • Worse still, there's massively common tags like cum in pussy which has the same problem, if there's vaginal penetration and the penetrating party ejaculates... they're doing it in the vagina, not in the vulva, which is, again, what "pussy" was apparently intended to describe.
  • other tags use "labia" and it's well understood by users, plump labia gets more use than "big pussy" or "peach pussy", people are clearly trying to use big_labia or trying to describe prominent labia minora because there are a lot of mistags under long labia (big labia is aliased to long labia, which makes no sense), labia piercing is the correct term, but for some reason, it implicates pussy piercing even though they would mean the exact same thing, clitoris piercing exists, but doesn't implicate pussy piercing making it even more useless
  • The justifications I've seen for using pussy don't make any sense (at least, from topic #11737):
    • we don't need "pussy" to cover the labia majora, labia minora, clitoral hood/clitoris, all of that is the vulva, and there are tags for the clitoral hood and clitoris anyways...
    • As for the arguments that "pussy" needs to be used because people will use "vagina" informally to describe the vulva and if we have vulva, we need to have a separate vagina tag? It's a false dilemma - it might be silly, but as far as I'm concerned, there's no problem at all with simply having "vagina" aliased to "vulva", with a brief explanation on the wiki page, 99.99% of the time someone entering "vagina" as a tag means the vulva anyways, we have tags that can cover depictions of the actual internal anatomy.
    • Using the fact that it's been around for a long time, or people are "used to it" as justifications just doesn't cut it, these are tags, and this site uses aliases, pussy can be aliased to vulva- someone enters pussy? They get what they're looking for - vulvae. This site changed a bunch of vulgar tags that were common and people were "used to" before... futanari, cuntboy, dickgirl, and shemale are all history, and that was probably a lot more work than this.

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dubsthefox said:
I was thinking about creating this alias some while ago, but just forgot about it again.

I think this would be reasonable to do. But we should establish color_labia_minora/majora, in my opinion.

Based on what I saw under black_pussy this is a good idea, there's currently no distinction between black labia majora and black labia minora, so you get a mix of both.

hungrymaple said:
You've got my vote.

Labia Minora can be prominent, or it might not even be depicted in an image, tagging them is obviously adding a meaningful distinction from the labia in general.

However, I don't think there's a reason to have a labia majora tag, the labia majora will practically always be visible if the labia minora are.

It's really bizarre that there's so much granularity allowed for parts of the male genitalia (what purpose does frenulum serve by being a tag?) but when it comes to parts of the female genitalia, it's inconsistent and vague, and there's a number of aliases of distinct parts that reduces everything to "pussy", if someone knows well enough to tag labia_minora they're clearly not attempting to mistag the "pussy"

On a related note, pussy is a terrible tag name on so many levels that I don't understand why it's become the "official" tag for the labia:

big list of why pussy is a bad tag, read at your own risk
  • It's vulgar and silly, really out of step with how this site names most other similar tags (penis, anus, breasts, areola, vaginal_intercourse etc.) - we don't use "cock" "asshole" "tits" or "fucking", why is "pussy" the lone exception?
    • (balls is informal, but not vulgar, and there isn't an existing term, as far as I know, for both scrotum and testicles together)
  • It's vague, does black_pussymean the labia majora is black? Is it the labia minora that's black? Going by the images tagged "black pussy" the answer is a shrug, and oddly frequent mistagging of clearly not black genitalia
  • It's confusingly used for other tags - "pussy sounding" is just incorrect, the vulva, if that's what "pussy" is intended to cover, isn't being sounded, it's the urethra - frankly I don't know why the tag exists at all, all sounding is urethral sounding
  • Worse still cum in pussy has the same problem, if there's vaginal penetration and the penetrating party ejaculates, they're doing it in the vagina, not the vulva, which is, again what "pussy" was meant to describe.
  • other tags use "labia" and it's well understood by users, plump labia gets more use than "big pussy" or "peach pussy", people are clearly trying to use big_labia or trying to describe prominent labia minora because there are a lot of mistags under long labia (big labia is aliased to long labia, which makes no sense), labia piercing is the correct term, but for some reason, it implicates pussy piercing even though they would mean the exact same thing, clitoris piercing exists, but doesn't implicate pussy piercing making it even more useless
  • The justifications I've seen for using pussy don't make any sense (at least, from topic #11737):
    • we don't need "pussy" to cover the labia majora, labia minora, clitoral hood/clitoris, all of that is generally considered "the labia", and there are tags for the clitoral hood and clitoris anyways...
    • As for the excuse that "pussy" needs to be used because people will use "vagina" informally to describe the vulva? It might be silly, but as far as I'm concerned, there's no problem at all with simply having "vagina" aliased to "vulva" with a brief explanation on the wiki page, 99.99% of the time someone entering "vagina" as a tag means the vulva anyways, we have tags that can cover depictions of the actual internal anatomy.
    • Using the fact that it's been around for a long time, or people are "used to it" as justifications just doesn't cut it, these are tags, and this site uses aliases, pussy can be aliased to vulva- someone enters pussy? They get what they're looking for - vulvae. This site changed a bunch of vulgar tags that were common and people were "used to" before... futanari, cuntboy, dickgirl, and shemale are all history, and that was probably a lot more work than this.

Excellent, thank you. I agree with your rant, and pussy is the next target on my hit list. It’s a ridiculous name and it has to go.

A few questions regarding the current request, however:

Should we also unalias labia? Perhaps either to alias to labia_minora instead, or to use as the tag for labia minora instead, disregarding labia majora altogether? I fear that it may cause mistags by people trying to tag labia majora as labia, but maybe it wouldn’t be much of an issue.

Again with the colors: I agree that tagging pussy vulva colors is weird right now. I tried adding color tags to them in a tag project on TagMe, and I couldn’t make up my mind on what color tag to use when the labia majora and minora have different colors.

This begs the question, however: should we tag (color)_labia_minora and (color)_labia_majora separately, and then… have both imply (color)_pussy (color)_vulva? Or just have (color)_labia specifically for labia minora, and use (color)_pussy (color)_vulva for when either the labia majora or the whole thing are of that color? This second option would be closer to how the (color)_penis tags work, as (color)_penis can refer to the whole thing, but if the glans is a different color, you can tag (color)_glans and it’ll be implied that (color)_penis refers to the color of the shaft. Also, the tag names would be shorter this way…

scaliespe said:
Excellent, thank you. I agree with your rant, and pussy is the next target on my hit list. It’s a ridiculous name and it has to go.

A few questions regarding the current request, however:

Should we also unalias labia? Perhaps either to alias to labia_minora instead, or to use as the tag for labia minora instead, disregarding labia majora altogether? I fear that it may cause mistags by people trying to tag labia majora as labia, but maybe it wouldn’t be much of an issue.

Unalias labia from pussy? That'd be a step towards aliasing pussy over to vulva. Labia shouldn't be aliased to labia_minora though, since I think that would lead to confusion, the labia majora will always be visible in a depiction of the labia/vulva, but labia minora may not be, so labia majora doesn't really need a tag, and should simply fall under labia which, in turn, probably should be aliased to vulva.

Again with the colors: I agree that tagging pussy vulva colors is weird right now. I tried adding color tags to them in a tag project on TagMe, and I couldn’t make up my mind on what color tag to use when the labia majora and minora have different colors.

This begs the question, however: should we tag (color)_labia_minora and (color)_labia_majora separately, and then… have both imply (color)_pussy (color)_vulva? Or just have (color)_labia specifically for labia minora, and use (color)_pussy (color)_vulva for when either the labia majora or the whole thing are of that color? This second option would be closer to how the (color)_penis tags work, as (color)_penis can refer to the whole thing, but if the glans is a different color, you can tag (color)_glans and it’ll be implied that (color)_penis refers to the color of the shaft. Also, the tag names would be shorter this way…

The labia minora colour should be a separate tag from (colour)_vulva, and shouldn't imply it, like you said with tags for the glans and the penis. (colour)_pussy should be aliased to (colour)_vulva which should describe the colour of the vulva inclusive of the labia minora. If the labia minora is a different colour from the labia majora, and the labia majora is a different colour from the rest of the body, the image should be tagged with both (colour)_labia_minora and (colour)_vulva, additionally, two_tone_vulva should be added.

Edit: jumbled up "labia" and "vulva" a few times, oops

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hungrymaple said:
Unalias labia from pussy? That'd be a step towards aliasing pussy over to vulva. Labia shouldn't be aliased to labia_minora though, since I think that would lead to confusion, the labia majora will always be visible in a depiction of the labia/vulva, but labia minora may not be, so labia majora doesn't really need a tag, and should simply fall under labia which, in turn, probably should be aliased to vulva.

The labia minora colour should be a separate tag from (colour)_vulva, and shouldn't imply it, like you said with tags for the glans and the penis. (colour)_pussy should be aliased to (colour)_vulva which should describe the colour of the vulva inclusive of the labia minora. If the labia minora is a different colour from the labia majora, and the labia majora is a different colour from the rest of the body, the image should be tagged with both (colour)_labia_minora and (colour)_vulva, additionally, two_tone_vulva should be added.

Edit: jumbled up "labia" and "vulva" a few times, oops

This all sounds very reasonable to me, so I’ll go ahead and set this up if when this BUR is approved.

hungrymaple said:
That'd be a step towards aliasing pussy over to vulva.

That doesn't sound appropriate. I'm no expert on female sex organs, but according to wikipedia, "The vulva (plural: vulvas or vulvae; derived from Latin for wrapper or covering) consists of the external female sex organs." But here, pussy is also used for the internal vaginal tract, which isn't the external bits that make up the vulva.

watsit said:
That doesn't sound appropriate. I'm no expert on female sex organs, but according to wikipedia, "The vulva (plural: vulvas or vulvae; derived from Latin for wrapper or covering) consists of the external female sex organs." But here, pussy is also used for the internal vaginal tract, which isn't the external bits that make up the vulva.

"Pussy" shouldn't have been applied to that image, the character's vulva isn't shown at all.

It should be tagged as vaginal and internal(in fact, there are multiple mistags and missing tags on that particular post - fixed), potentially vaginal_canal.

The wiki page for "pussy" does not say the tag applies to the internal anatomy, "vagina" is only mentioned because it's a commonly used incorrect term for the vulva (which should be specifically noted in the article). The conflation of "pussy" with "vagina" is one of the problems here, caused by tags like cum_in_pussy which are at odds with what pussy is seemingly supposed to cover.

There are over 7000 posts that are internal views of a female/andro character having vaginal intercourse, with their outer bits unseen, that aren't tagged pussy, and I'm sure a large amount of mistags that don't show any "pussy" but are tagged that way because there's an internal view of the vaginal canal.

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LOL, worrying about vulgarity on a site that has literally millions of penises and vaginas.

Kind of neutral on this. I see a lot of good reasons above but feel reservations. I TRY to tag cleft/mons/pubes/hood(many don't actually draw the last 2 for reasons) properly but like said in first post, SOOOO many not tagged when they really should be. I mean, might as well have a hidden_urethra tag and hidden_vagina tag and ambiguous_hymen tag and hidden_cervix tag while we're at it, for all the good the cleft tag is doing right now. :( If it lead to improving situation with the genital anatomy tags in general, I'd go along with it. Kind of hard to A/B test it though. Sigh...

See also: Prostate, glans, circumcised/foreskin/sheath/baculum/knot/veiny, erect/flaccid tags often being missing.

alphamule said:
LOL, worrying about vulgarity on a site that has literally millions of penises and vaginas.

Kind of neutral on this. I see a lot of good reasons above but feel reservations. I TRY to tag cleft/mons/pubes/hood(many don't actually draw the last 2 for reasons) properly but like said in first post, SOOOO many not tagged when they really should be. I mean, might as well have a hidden_urethra tag and hidden_vagina tag and ambiguous_hymen tag and hidden_cervix tag while we're at it, for all the good the cleft tag is doing right now. :( If it lead to improving situation with the genital anatomy tags in general, I'd go along with it. Kind of hard to A/B test it though. Sigh...

See also: Prostate, glans, circumcised/foreskin/sheath/baculum/knot/veiny, erect/flaccid tags often being missing.

I’m not sure the fact that they’re undertagged is really an argument against removing the alias. Even if it only gets applied to a fraction of relevant posts (like most tags on the site, TBH), having it is still better than not having it. Even if, for example, clitoris is missing from a ton of posts, you can at least still search clitoris and get a lot of good results. That’s all I really want it for, anyway.

alphamule said:
LOL, worrying about vulgarity on a site that has literally millions of penises and vaginas.

The site uses proper terminology for most every other common genital/sexual tag, and "pussy" is vague and unnecessary. If flipping the alias from pussy to vulva makes some people who are upset by the use of "pussy" happy - to me, that's only another reason why it's a good idea.

However, the primary issues are that it's a nonsensical inconsistency, that it's obviously confusing people, and that it has confusing tags (*_in_pussy doesn't make sense if the "pussy" is the vulva, which is what it seems to be intended to describe) because of that vagueness.

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scaliespe said:
I’m not sure the fact that they’re undertagged is really an argument against removing the alias. Even if it only gets applied to a fraction of relevant posts (like most tags on the site, TBH), having it is still better than not having it. Even if, for example, clitoris is missing from a ton of posts, you can at least still search clitoris and get a lot of good results. That’s all I really want it for, anyway.

I hope if me and 10000 other fools fill in the blanks when that happens, we'll eventually reach 99% accuracy with few false positives/negatives except in edge cases. But I feel like I'm begging Mr Murphy to show up. At the least, I do tag all my own uploads if I notice them. (Mentioning, I brain farted and didn't realize that one upload was not relevant to the site this week - guess I'll shoot off apology to that mod, LOL).

AFAICT, every single case I've seen 'pussy', it also means outer lips in the posts' tagging. So the idea is to reverse this to an implication pussy implies vulva?

The whole uncut/foreskin debacle was one of the reasons leading towards a previous admin quitting so... I can't imagine anybody insane enough to be the one that comes anywhere near the pussy/vulva aliasing when it's pretty much entirely a cosmetic problem.

We got part the way to aliasing pooping to defecating at one point, but it ended up getting reversed, presumably because there was too much hassle with the tag relations. Renaming the 500+ tags that contain the word pussy, and having to recreate 625+ more tag relations is a ridiculous task just because people don't like the word pussy. It's just a mistake we'll probably have to deal with for longer.

Maybe it'll be dealt with eventually, but I don't think it's worth anybody committing seppuku over again when there's far more important things in the 5+ year backlog.

faucet said:
The whole uncut/foreskin debacle was one of the reasons leading towards a previous admin quitting so... I can't imagine anybody insane enough to be the one that comes anywhere near the pussy/vulva aliasing when it's pretty much entirely a cosmetic problem.

We got part the way to aliasing pooping to defecating at one point, but it ended up getting reversed, presumably because there was too much hassle with the tag relations. Renaming the 500+ tags that contain the word pussy, and having to recreate 625+ more tag relations is a ridiculous task just because people don't like the word pussy. It's just a mistake we'll probably have to deal with for longer.

Maybe it'll be dealt with eventually, but I don't think it's worth anybody committing seppuku over again when there's far more important things in the 5+ year backlog.

There was also that infamous artist Vlad(Yes, like the Impaler) which is the reason for many people using blacklists. XD

"Its a lot of work" if it had been fixed four years ago when I brought it up then it would be less work than it is now.
If it had been fixed 2 years ago when it was brought up it would be less work than it is now.

Changing Pussy to Vulva doesnt even break anything it just means we have to start tagging inner lips properly. That is literally the extent of the work.

Appealing to the idea that "it would be hard work" is fucking stupid because it could have been fixed at any time and this does not cause any harm. It is literally a change to terminology and undoes one of the most annoying alias decisions the site has on record.

Will we need a different bur for pussy to vulva or does that come after fixing the labia issue

alphamule said:
I hope if me and 10000 other fools fill in the blanks when that happens, we'll eventually reach 99% accuracy with few false positives/negatives except in edge cases. But I feel like I'm begging Mr Murphy to show up. At the least, I do tag all my own uploads if I notice them. (Mentioning, I brain farted and didn't realize that one upload was not relevant to the site this week - guess I'll shoot off apology to that mod, LOL).

It’s a constant battle even keeping basic things like genders, species, and character counts tagged properly. That’s just the nature of maintaining a popular booru, it seems. Just as long we get a good number of results for tags like this, I’d call that a successful tag.

Personally, I’ll set up a tag project for this once it’s unaliased and try and tag at least a few thousand of them myself.

AFAICT, every single case I've seen 'pussy', it also means outer lips in the posts' tagging. So the idea is to reverse this to an implication pussy implies vulva?

No, actually the current definition of pussy on the wiki is exactly the same as the technical definition of vulva. The main issue is that “pussy” is a vague term - it does not always mean how we define it here. If you look up some definitions of the word outside E621, you’ll see that some people say that it’s just the outer lips, and others say it’s the inner and outer lips, but not the clitoris or vagina, while still others say that it’s only the vaginal opening and the inner and outer lips are just “the lips” and so forth. This is the nature of slang terms like this; the definition may be different based on who you ask. Vulva, on the other hand, has a precise scientific definition. You can find the same, precise description of the term in any dictionary or encyclopedia. And since that definition is exactly equivalent to how “pussy” is used currently on this site, it makes more sense to just swap the terms completely.

faucet said:
The whole uncut/foreskin debacle was one of the reasons leading towards a previous admin quitting so... I can't imagine anybody insane enough to be the one that comes anywhere near the pussy/vulva aliasing when it's pretty much entirely a cosmetic problem.

We got part the way to aliasing pooping to defecating at one point, but it ended up getting reversed, presumably because there was too much hassle with the tag relations. Renaming the 500+ tags that contain the word pussy, and having to recreate 625+ more tag relations is a ridiculous task just because people don't like the word pussy. It's just a mistake we'll probably have to deal with for longer.

Maybe it'll be dealt with eventually, but I don't think it's worth anybody committing seppuku over again when there's far more important things in the 5+ year backlog.

As Demesejha already indicated, the problem is going to keep getting worse the longer we wait. So, if it’s ever going to be done, it should be done now.

I’ll write a BUR myself to fix the tag relationships. All the admins will have to do is approve it. So the “too much work” argument won’t work at that point.

The issue is also not entirely cosmetic. For one, “pussy” is kinda vague, whereas vulva is not. See what I had to say about that at the top of my post. But additionally, it can occasionally be used to refer to a cat or most often as an insult for a person. There was even a thread some years ago where someone suggested using pussy for a female cloaca - they were confusing “pussy” for “vagina,” even though pussy specifically excludes the actual vaginal canal (there’s actually a separate tag for that, which is usually only relevant on internal shots). On top of the fact that it’s often just considered derogatory, no, I’d say it’s much more than just cosmetic. It’s vague, arbitrary, and potentially offensive. I mean, the whole intersex system was completely reworked because the old terms were considered offensive, and that had a much bigger tag structure than pussy.

scaliespe said:
lots of words

I agree, a lot of separate things are being lumped together by the use of "pussy" over "vulva", "labia" and "vagina". Tags like object in pussy and cum in pussy make very little sense with pussy intending to refer to the vulva, because these things are not in "the pussy" they're in the vagina, it's also out of step with vaginal, vaginal fingering, vaginal penetration etc. It's worth mentioning that none of those tags imply pussy, which only reinforces that "pussy" is being clumsily stretched to cover semi-unrelated concepts.

hungrymaple said:
I agree, a lot of separate things are being lumped together by the use of "pussy" over "vulva", "labia" and "vagina". Tags like object in pussy and cum in pussy make very little sense with pussy intending to refer to the vulva, because these things are not in "the pussy" they're in the vagina, it's also out of step with vaginal, vaginal fingering, vaginal penetration etc. It's worth mentioning that none of those tags imply pussy, which only reinforces that "pussy" is being clumsily stretched to cover semi-unrelated concepts.

There’s also the fact that anyone actually searching pussy currently is looking for vulvas. Whether or not “pussy” includes the vagina is dubious, but even if it does, nobody using the tag is looking for images of the actual vaginal canal.

scaliespe said:
nobody using the tag is looking for images of the actual vaginal canal.

Yeah this, in essence this is why the argument that changing the tag wouldnt work never made sense to me because, as it sits right now, the use case just doesnt fit.

scaliespe said:
There’s also the fact that anyone actually searching pussy currently is looking for vulvas. Whether or not “pussy” includes the vagina is dubious, but even if it does, nobody using the tag is looking for images of the actual vaginal canal.

demesejha said:
Yeah this, in essence this is why the argument that changing the tag wouldnt work never made sense to me because, as it sits right now, the use case just doesnt fit.

We even have a (woefully underused) vaginal canal tag, if someone is specifically looking for a depiction of that, internal vaginal also works, seeing as most depictions of the vaginal canal are during vaginal sex acts.

demesejha said:
I think this has merit and doesnt deserve to be dropped into obscurity

Couldn't agree more...

Assuming this unalias goes through, and that the end goal is to change pussy to vulva, what would the next step be?

If we're going to unalias vulva from pussy, and do a reversal (alias pussy -> vulva). Do all the tags implying pussy first have to be unimplied, or just the tags currently aliasing to pussy? And, to rename the *_pussy/*_in_pussy tags do we need to simply alias them to *_vulva/*_in_vagina or do they need to have any implications/aliases removed from them?

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hungrymaple said:
Couldn't agree more...

Assuming this unalias goes through, and that the end goal is to vulva, what would the next step be?

If we're going to unalias vulva from pussy, and do a reversal (alias pussy -> vulva). Do all the tags implying pussy first have to be unimplied, or just the tags currently aliasing to pussy? And, to rename the *_pussy/*_in_pussy tags do we need to simply alias them to *_vulva/*_in_vagina or do they need to have any implications/aliases removed from them?

Essentially, yes, everything has to be unaliased and unimplied in order to switch the tag names over. It does make it a much larger project, unfortunately. However, I’ve already begun writing a BUR (an extremely, extremely large BUR) to do exactly this. I’ve finished writing about half of it already, but life got in the way and I haven’t worked on it in a couple of weeks. Thanks for reminding me, though.

Just noticed the mess with enlarged_clitoris big_clit(aliased to enlarged which is NOT ACCURATE in every case) and big_clitoris being its own tag.

Why is big_clit aliased to enlarged anyway??? Why the exceptionalism?

demesejha said:
Just noticed the mess with enlarged_clitoris big_clit(aliased to enlarged which is NOT ACCURATE in every case) and big_clitoris being its own tag.

Why is big_clit aliased to enlarged anyway??? Why the exceptionalism?

It seems that a lot of tags around female genitalia are aliased poorly. The only justification I can see for the alias going through is on the false assumption that all "big clitorises" would be only temporarily enlarged.

hungrymaple said:
It seems that a lot of tags around female genitalia are aliased poorly. The only justification I can see for the alias going through is on the false assumption that all "big clitorises" would be only temporarily enlarged.

The correct tag for that would be erect_clitoris, not enlarged. In the case of enlarged_clitoris, that seems to imply a permanently large size. The name of the tag itself also implies that it was artificially enlarged, like in an FTM transgender situation, even though the wiki doesn’t explicitly state that. And even so, that’s getting into TWYK territory.

Personally, I think clitores should just follow the same format as all the other size tags, and possibly get rid of enlarged_clitoris entirely. So:
hyper_clitoris -> huge_clitoris -> big_clitoris
We probably don’t need a small_clitoris tag though, since their normal size is already too small to see in some cases.

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